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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 03:51 pm |
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did you all see tht the feds are bailing out lehman brothers?
another case of socializing loses due to a lack of Gov. regulation. Every time they do this the FRNs in your pockets become less valuable.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 02:12 pm |
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Any one else notice that gas prices are up 11 to 12 cent from yesterday?
How long are we going to tolerate being gouge by our gov, the gas companies and the electric companies time we did something serious folks.
Its time for a national work outage! take the day off Sept 19th spread the word
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 03:40 pm |
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There is a fine line, and you have to remember that the Constitution was wrote in an era where the average person didn't interact with the broader economy anywhere near as much as they do today. Want to guess how many people even had bank accounts back in 1781? What percentage of the goods in their house came from outside the local community? What percentage of food that they either grew themselves or came from within a very local radius?
I get the spirit of it, but some situations are extremely different than it was back then.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 03:27 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: The second ammendment guarantees the protection of our rights.
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Playing the Game wrote: Regulation of business is for communists and Marxists.
Regulation of business is the second of our governments only two jobs. the first is protecting our rights
In a way its really there so we can protect ourselves from rouge government.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 03:25 pm |
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no one else wrote: I think Ben uses the Russian constitution since he defends them so much. Or maybe it's the Islamic constitution. He defends them too.
Ive not read either. I point out when youve been brainwashed I dont defend. And I dont think their is any such thing as an Islamic Constitution. If you think there is then tell me where the country Islamic is.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 03:22 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: Where is it mentioned in the Constitution that the Federal government is responsible for the regulation of business, we're not talking free trade or interstate trade.
yes we are talking interstate trade the Feds use The interstate commerce clause to impose all kinds of laws outside their jurisdiciton. Try reading the Declaration to see what any ligitimate govs limitations are. Further all these lenders are gov. licensed entities therefore the gov has the duty to regulate how they do business. Last edited on Wed Sep 10th, 2008 03:28 pm by Ben Franklin
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| http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/market-dispatches-091008.aspx Wall Street giant looking for buyers. the latest nail in our economies coffin. Stock down 85% from last year
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The second ammendment guarantees the protection of our rights.
Ben Franklin wrote:
Playing the Game wrote: Regulation of business is for communists and Marxists.
Regulation of business is the second of our governments only two jobs. the first is protecting our rights
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I think Ben uses the Russian constitution since he defends them so much. Or maybe it's the Islamic constitution. He defends them too.
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Posted: Tue Sep 9th, 2008 08:31 pm |
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| Where is it mentioned in the Constitution that the Federal government is responsible for the regulation of business, we're not talking free trade or interstate trade.
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Posted: Tue Sep 9th, 2008 05:07 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: Regulation of business is for communists and Marxists.
Regulation of business is the second of our governments only two jobs. the first is protecting our rights
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| Regulation of business is for communists and Marxists.
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Hartlyboy wrote: Another perspective is that the economy is on the verge of collapse and required another taxpayer backed bail-out [Fannie and Freddie] because the government stepped in to regulate marketplace economics back iin 1999 under our illustrious former president, Bill Clinton.
The Gramm Leach Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 allowed banks to expand into other financial fields that they had been banned from, but in return they had to provide more loans to first time and disadvantaged homebuyers. That was a big contributor to all the sub-prime loans that eventually brought the housing market and the economy to it's knees. The gummint made me do it.....
Being fair about it, although Clinton signed it , the bill passed along party lines with the Republiicans supporting it and the Democrats opposing it. I'm not sure if that was because the Democrats wanted more liberal terms than what was already in the bill or if it was just partisan politics as usual down there.
Like I keep saying one party two factions. Regulation is making sure they play by the rules I should have said not allow it at all. There should be a percentage of income. You make X a month you can afford a mortage for Y a month.
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Another perspective is that the economy is on the verge of collapse and required another taxpayer backed bail-out [Fannie and Freddie] because the government stepped in to regulate marketplace economics back iin 1999 under our illustrious former president, Bill Clinton.
The Gramm Leach Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 allowed banks to expand into other financial fields that they had been banned from, but in return they had to provide more loans to first time and disadvantaged homebuyers. That was a big contributor to all the sub-prime loans that eventually brought the housing market and the economy to it's knees. The gummint made me do it.....
Being fair about it, although Clinton signed it , the bill passed along party lines with the Republiicans supporting it and the Democrats opposing it. I'm not sure if that was because the Democrats wanted more liberal terms than what was already in the bill or if it was just partisan politics as usual down there.
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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| I guess no one is concerned that the gov has had to step in for the third time this year to keep our entire economy from collapsing cos they didnt do their jobs and regulate.
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 03:04 pm |
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| Why arent we talking about the Fannie and Freddie bailout?
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2centsworth wrote:
I found this interesting
Obama [size=vs McCain on taxes! ]
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INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
This is something you should be aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
This is really going to catch a lot of families off guard. Be sure you understand what you are voting for..
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Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
McCain
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples) McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales
How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
McCain 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6% How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
INCOME TAX
McCain (no changes) Single making 30K - tax $4,500 Single making 50K - tax $12,500 Single making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 60K- tax $9,000 Married making 75K -tax $18,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts) Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama your taxes will more than double! How does this affect you? No explanation needed. This is pretty straight forward.
INHERITANCE TAX
McCain 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA - Restore the inheritance tax. How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.
* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already).
* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity).
* New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!
Thank You Robert D. Jenkins Vice President - Investments Chartered Retirement Planning Counselor Wachovia Securities, LLC
314-991-7812 800-999-4448 toll-free
Thats funny cos there wont be any profit from home sales.
if you have money in the stock market you are a damn fool. Get it out and get it out of dollars
Bush repealled the inheritance tax cos hes waiting for da da to kick the bucket. From what I remember its only a small percentage so the only ones who made out on the repealling of this law are the super rich.
Obama is going to raise taxes as any President would have too in this economy the problem you NeoCons have is that its you who will now have to pay your fair share!
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 02:57 pm |
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Bixby wrote: Ben Franklin wrote: There is as much proof Iran is a sponsor terrorism as there is for WMD's in Iraq. It was Georgia sponsored by the USof A and Israel who attacked Russia not the other way around. Now we have Cheney over in the Ukraine telling them america has a vested interests in that countries freedom and security. Does anyone out there care a bit about the Ukraine? If so why? Why should any american pay for the Ukraines saftey? Thats their issue not mine and I am sick and tired of having tax money taken from me and given to other countries so some politicians can play empire. Ben, your crazy talk is getting worse by the day. I am repeating my post from another forum topic in Newszap. Your tax money is given to far too many countries, not just Georgia (and Israel). I suppose you would rather see Russian expansionism re-emerge into the former Soviet Union. In the meanwhile, get yourself up a couple hundred bucks and buy a subscription to Stratfor (stratfor.com) and read real intelligemnce and not the tin-hat garbage propaganda you espouse.
Bixby wrote: The fighting that began when Georgian forces tried to retake the capital of South Ossetia, a pro-Russian region of Georgia that won de facto autonomy from Georgia in the early 1990s. This now appears to be developing into the worst clashes between Russia and a foreign military since the 1980s war in Afghanistan. The United Nations declared that a Russian fighter jet was responsible for destroying a Georgian reconnaissance aircraft on April 20, 2008, which may end Russia's role as a neutral party in the territorial dispute between Georgia and Abkhazia.
On August 7, 2008, the day after Georgia and a breakaway region, South Ossetia, signed a cease-fire, violence erupted in South Ossetia. At least 15 civilians and 10 Russian peacekeepers died in the fighting. On Aug. 8, Russia sent 150 tanks into South Ossetia to support the region. On Aug. 9, Russia intensified its involvement, moving troops into Abkhazia, another breakaway region, and launching airstrikes at Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia. Thousands of people were killed, hundreds were wounded, and thousands more fled their homes in South Ossetia. Speculation ensued that Russia's aggressive tactics were taken to gain control of Georgia's oil and gas export routes. On Aug. 12, President Medvedev ordered an end to military action in Georgia, although sporadic fighting continued. On Aug. 13, Russian tanks occupied Gori, a strategic town 40 miles from Tbilisi, and hundreds of Russian soldiers crossed the border into South Ossetia. Leaders of EU nations, the United States, and NATO have warned Russia to end the conflict in Georgia.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107564.html
When ever people cant produce facts to back up their NeoCon BS they call someone crazy.
Russia is not agressing against anyone or trying to rebuild the USSR. Its economically stupid to even try it. the FACTS are at the behest of the US NeoCons Georgia murdered some Russian peace keeping forces in Ossetia and then Russia kicked their ass. How do I know this is true Cos Russia had absoluteley no reason to agree to a cease fire if they were the agressors! THEY ROLLED OVER GEORGIA IN A MATTER OF DAYS IF THEY WANTED TO TAKE IT BACK THEY COULD WITHOUT DIFFICULTY AND THERE WOULD BE SQUAT THE US OR ANYONE ELSE COULD DO ABOUT IT.
Youve insulted me far to many times Bixby. I challenge you to a duel. Swords or pistols?
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Ben Franklin wrote: There is as much proof Iran is a sponsor terrorism as there is for WMD's in Iraq. It was Georgia sponsored by the USof A and Israel who attacked Russia not the other way around. Now we have Cheney over in the Ukraine telling them america has a vested interests in that countries freedom and security. Does anyone out there care a bit about the Ukraine? If so why? Why should any american pay for the Ukraines saftey? Thats their issue not mine and I am sick and tired of having tax money taken from me and given to other countries so some politicians can play empire. Ben, your crazy talk is getting worse by the day. I am repeating my post from another forum topic in Newszap. Your tax money is given to far too many countries, not just Georgia (and Israel). I suppose you would rather see Russian expansionism re-emerge into the former Soviet Union. In the meanwhile, get yourself up a couple hundred bucks and buy a subscription to Stratfor (stratfor.com) and read real intelligemnce and not the tin-hat garbage propaganda you espouse.
Bixby wrote: The fighting that began when Georgian forces tried to retake the capital of South Ossetia, a pro-Russian region of Georgia that won de facto autonomy from Georgia in the early 1990s. This now appears to be developing into the worst clashes between Russia and a foreign military since the 1980s war in Afghanistan. The United Nations declared that a Russian fighter jet was responsible for destroying a Georgian reconnaissance aircraft on April 20, 2008, which may end Russia's role as a neutral party in the territorial dispute between Georgia and Abkhazia.
On August 7, 2008, the day after Georgia and a breakaway region, South Ossetia, signed a cease-fire, violence erupted in South Ossetia. At least 15 civilians and 10 Russian peacekeepers died in the fighting. On Aug. 8, Russia sent 150 tanks into South Ossetia to support the region. On Aug. 9, Russia intensified its involvement, moving troops into Abkhazia, another breakaway region, and launching airstrikes at Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia. Thousands of people were killed, hundreds were wounded, and thousands more fled their homes in South Ossetia. Speculation ensued that Russia's aggressive tactics were taken to gain control of Georgia's oil and gas export routes. On Aug. 12, President Medvedev ordered an end to military action in Georgia, although sporadic fighting continued. On Aug. 13, Russian tanks occupied Gori, a strategic town 40 miles from Tbilisi, and hundreds of Russian soldiers crossed the border into South Ossetia. Leaders of EU nations, the United States, and NATO have warned Russia to end the conflict in Georgia.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107564.html
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I found this interesting
Obama [size=vs McCain on taxes! ]
[size=HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU WANT TO KEEP for your own discretion.]
[size= ]
[size= ]
INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
This is something you should be aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
This is really going to catch a lot of families off guard. Be sure you understand what you are voting for..
[size= ]
Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
McCain
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples) McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales
How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
McCain 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6% How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
INCOME TAX
McCain (no changes) Single making 30K - tax $4,500 Single making 50K - tax $12,500 Single making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 60K- tax $9,000 Married making 75K -tax $18,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts) Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama your taxes will more than double! How does this affect you? No explanation needed. This is pretty straight forward.
INHERITANCE TAX
McCain 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA - Restore the inheritance tax. How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.
* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already).
* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity).
* New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!
Thank You Robert D. Jenkins Vice President - Investments Chartered Retirement Planning Counselor Wachovia Securities, LLC
314-991-7812 800-999-4448 toll-free
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McBush....LOL.... Love it..... I totally agree with you Ben Franklin and the sad part of this election is that his own party (die hard conservatives) thought his choice of Ms Palin was a total disaster. One of these die hards had to back pedal because she was caught on an open mike callling this a F@@@ disaster for the party! So what goes on behind closed doors is troubling for sure. This so called Maverick image is a frappeing JOKE. He can't take his nose out of Bush's butt and as far as his level of intelligence goes Remember he was at the bottom of of his class at the Naval Academy and a damn trouble maker with an attitude.
You won't see any of these far right conservatives come back with anything McBush has to offer this country considering more of the same and maybe TWELVE YRS OF FAILURES. Lets all have a Pity Party for McBush! I'm sick and tired of hearing about his POW status. That was then and these far right fear mongers have about run their mouths enough with NO SUBSTANCE. THEY OFFER NOTHING ABOUT REAL ISSUES AND WITH MS PALIN ON THE TICKET IT WILL GET DOWN TO EARTH SOON ENOUGH WHEN SHE IS ASKED SOME REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HER CREDENTIALS FOR BEING VP...... ONE heartbeat away makes me wonder how stupid McBush really is and they know they are in serious trouble. Obama will clean house with him in the upcoming debates and Ms Palin better get her act together when she goes against JOE.......
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Heres the proof of McCains and the neo cons plans to invade Iran from his own mouth last night
‘I’m not afraid’ of threats to U.S.
Turning to foreign affairs, an arena in which Republicans say he is vastly more qualified than Obama, McCain called Iran “the chief state sponsor of terrorism” and accused Moscow of harboring ambitions of “reassembling the Russian empire.”
BOTH OF THESE STATMENTS ARE NEOCON LIES! There is as much proof Iran is a sponsor terrorism as there is for WMD's in Iraq. It was Georgia sponsored by the USof A and Israel who attacked Russia not the other way around.
Now we have Cheney over in the Ukraine telling them america has a vested interests in that countries freedom and security. Does anyone out there care a bit about the Ukraine? If so why? Why should any american pay for the Ukraines saftey? Thats their issue not mine and I am sick and tired of having tax money taken from me and given to other countries so some politicians can play empire.
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Legends457 wrote: Look at the numbers today relating to the loss of 605,000 jobs this year alone, and now the unemployment rate is at 6.1 percent. Bush and McCain have said the economy is sound. That says it all. Both men prove how much they know about real America....... You conservatives are free to tell me how sound this economy is and make me a believer. LOL LOL....... The rich got richer and their no more money to steal from HONEST HARD working Americans who are lucky enough to still have a job in this failed economy.......
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26558445 worst jobless rate in 5 years, housing bubble burst, dollar collapsing. Yea thats a sound economy, if youre an oil company. they are cutting their own throats as you say Ive nothing left for them to take, except a short drop and a sudden stop.
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Playing the Game wrote: Crashing a party with Democrat Senators & Congressmen who were partying the night away with lobbyists.
Ben Franklin wrote:
Playing the Game wrote: Actually a total of 244 were arrested in Denver at the DNC including 152 one night, 91 another night and then there was the News Reporter from ABC who was arrested.
Why did the reporter get arrested? Filiming brutality by the cops?
I would call that suppresion of the freedom of the press. Like I keep saying one party two factions
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Legends457 wrote: Last night John McCain gave the worse speech I've ever heard when it comes to reaching out to win a Presidential Election! The RNC better get damage control in full motion today. Maybe FOX NOISE can spin something good out of this RNC disaster and that is no joking. John McCain's ego is to much. The speech was all about ME ME ME and if he ever talked about an issue I must have missed it completely! I mean this guy just DON'T GET IT like Obama has said and he has not connected with REAL America in trouble. The same ole same old image of a man who is hell bent on becoming President at all costs and yet he fails to see the real picture with this country. COUNTRY FIRST HE SAYS.... NO JOHN MCCAIN FIRST. He finally exposed himself for the man he is and its all about ME ME ME. Sounds like GEORGE W BUSH AND COMPANY. People have finally had enough of John McCain and his so called Maverick Image! Go rent the movie TOP GUN and see Tom Cruise as Maverick! John McCain FAILED AGAIN.
While I dont agree totally with obama I see McCain as nothing more than a contituation of the chiken hawk mentality. McBush is NOT a war heor hes an incompetant pilot who crashed 6 mulitimillion dollar jets that basically fly them selves. If he had not crashed he would not have been captured. then we have to consider the character of a person who cooperates with his captures. That is from other POWs in the camp. then when he gets home he leaves his wife ON HER DEATH BED for the bigger better deal of the heiress. That means he BROKE AN OATH TO GOD. "Till death do us part" He is an incompetant oath breaking chicken hawk who no doubt will start a war with Iran which will drag Russian and China into war. Viola WW3. Voting for McBush will be more of the same escalating into your kids dying so the oil companies can continue to make billions a quarter
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| Look at the numbers today relating to the loss of 605,000 jobs this year alone, and now the unemployment rate is at 6.1 percent. Bush and McCain have said the economy is sound. That says it all. Both men prove how much they know about real America....... You conservatives are free to tell me how sound this economy is and make me a believer. LOL LOL....... The rich got richer and their no more money to steal from HONEST HARD working Americans who are lucky enough to still have a job in this failed economy.......
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| Regardless of the numbers arrested at the DNC, the 600 plus arrests at the RNC proved one thing, the people are fed up with business as usual and the conservative party with the likes of John McCain, Rudy, Romney etc etc etc....... The party is over and now Ms Palin has to answer questions..... McCain's gave a terrible speech last night and its to bad......
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| Larry Kane Live had the best analogy of the McCain performance..... FAILURE on all sides. Seems FOX has issues with people conveying honest views when it comes to the RNC failures. Not once did they address ISSUES. WHY? Because they can't address them because in Ronald Reagan's own words: Ask yourself if your better off today than you were eight years ago! 80 percent of Americans say NO. I guess John McCain just DON'T GET IT. Interesting point is nobody on this board can come back with anything positive for the last eight years of failures. Amazing how we seem to forget failure when your blind sighted on conservative views. The rich get richer and then you trickle down penny's to the less fortunate. VOODOO ECONOMICS a real trade mark on the conservative party.
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Crashing a party with Democrat Senators & Congressmen who were partying the night away with lobbyists.
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Playing the Game wrote: Actually a total of 244 were arrested in Denver at the DNC including 152 one night, 91 another night and then there was the News Reporter from ABC who was arrested.
Why did the reporter get arrested? Filiming brutality by the cops?
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| Last night John McCain gave the worse speech I've ever heard when it comes to reaching out to win a Presidential Election! The RNC better get damage control in full motion today. Maybe FOX NOISE can spin something good out of this RNC disaster and that is no joking. John McCain's ego is to much. The speech was all about ME ME ME and if he ever talked about an issue I must have missed it completely! I mean this guy just DON'T GET IT like Obama has said and he has not connected with REAL America in trouble. The same ole same old image of a man who is hell bent on becoming President at all costs and yet he fails to see the real picture with this country. COUNTRY FIRST HE SAYS.... NO JOHN MCCAIN FIRST. He finally exposed himself for the man he is and its all about ME ME ME. Sounds like GEORGE W BUSH AND COMPANY. People have finally had enough of John McCain and his so called Maverick Image! Go rent the movie TOP GUN and see Tom Cruise as Maverick! John McCain FAILED AGAIN. Last edited on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 10:34 am by Legends457
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Interesting view on housing values......
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/53094/U.S.-House-Price-Decline-Could-Be-Worse-than-Great-Depression?tickers=%5Egspc,fre,fnm
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Playing the Game wrote: Actually a total of 244 were arrested in Denver at the DNC including 152 one night, 91 another night and then there was the News Reporter from ABC who was arrested.
Why did the reporter get arrested? Filiming brutality by the cops?
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Game_Over2007 wrote: PTG.... I knew I could count on you to correct me....... Leaving on a cruise to Nova Scotia so have fun while I'm gone....... LOL Guess I need to call you OB Wan Kanobe........ 
Hey I am ole Ben Kanobe the crazy hermit and dont you forget it
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| Last night Sara Palin mocked Obama on those community organizing issues. You have to wonder if this party will ever "get it" about whats wrong with this country. All over this country people are involve in community organizations to help others and with the last eight years of economic failures, these community organizers are helping save peoples lives so they don't lose jobs, homes, health issues, and other grass roots issues. So when you say a man is not qualified for the job of President and you are it makes me wonder how a small town mayor and Governor with limited experience beyond her small world in Alaska is walking the walk and talking the talk on the big picture with real world issues. Obama has been involved at both levels and communicates that very well. Let the debates begin. BTW.... The republican party will be keeping Sara Palin away from the press as much as possible and this will bite them in the end. They wanted her, so let her be exposed to real issues and the reality of a real campaign. Show no mercy to this so called pit bull with lip stick.... take her down...... LOL Last edited on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 09:54 am by Legends457
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Have a great time in the Maritimes. My favorite provinces. Come back with some good Newfie jokes. Stay away from the screech.
BTW, I still don't like you 
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| PTG.... I knew I could count on you to correct me....... Leaving on a cruise to Nova Scotia so have fun while I'm gone....... LOL Guess I need to call you OB Wan Kanobe........
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| Actually a total of 244 were arrested in Denver at the DNC including 152 one night, 91 another night and then there was the News Reporter from ABC who was arrested.
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NONE were arrested and the DNC..... and you have to wonder why these people are there..... Its not because their happy with McCain and his VP pick.....or do they want another four years of BUSH..... over 300 were arrested according to FOX NOISE..... Think I heard that number.....LOL
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Ive read that over a hundred people have been arreseted at the RNC
How many were arrested at the DNC?
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Economic issues are not the main issue with the RNC right now. They have to keep that topic off-topic for now. They need a diversion for the time being but in due time it will be front and center. The war in Iraq and the Commander and Chief issues are just a head fake for the RNC to keep the attention off the economy. The issue of Obama not being qualified is a moot point with no merit. The man is far more in tune to the real issues and to be honest with you, he's more intelligent when it comes to those issues. McCain can run some interference with the woman card but its going to be a real problem for him come November.
Sara Palin brings nothing to the ticket except some hype to take the attention off the real issues. Sooner or later they will debate and she will be taken down.
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| Well I'm waiting for the conservative clowns to talk about the economy. So far they have accomplished nothing. I already knew all about McCain's POW status and his service to our country. Palin don't impress me and I seen the Campbell Brown interview which was rather interesting considering the man never gave an answer. He couldn't answer her and nobody else can either.... Maybe they can talk about the Ten Trillion dollar national debt and lets not forget the 56 billion dollar trade deficit........ The trade deficit has doubled on Bushes WATCH.... Greal Leadership for sure....... REALITY RULES Last edited on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 01:51 pm by Game_Over2007
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Wonder why Tucker Bounds can't answer the question? The Gov of Alaska doesn't make foreign policy decisions as National Guard Commander...... Tucker Bounds is just following the McCain doctrine of spin crap to defend a real bad choice for Vice President. ONE HEART BEAT away from the Presidency....... I guess this Alaskan Hockey MOM must be a military genius !!!! Did I miss something with the interview? CNN had to pull the interview because McCain couldn't handle the truth and all Campbell Brown did was ask a legitimate question.....
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/01/brown.tucker.bounds.interview.cnn?iref=videosearch
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| When you find out PtG, PLEASE let me know --- I think I can probably afford a few shares myself
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| Is anyone willing to sell me some shares of the tin foil hat plant? Please.
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Skjuda wrote: OMG Hab, someone who speaks the truth wow I am digging it. I am still waiting for those lefties to blame Bushy for not ordering enough paperclips before Katrina.
Which kids are we putting through college? Our own or those of big oil?
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You know it amazes me to see these conservatives trying to defend Gov Palin even though they know McCain is a lose cannon. This should be good all the way to election day........ Where is Larry Flint? LOL.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-lawyer-stonewallin_n_123179.html
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Playing the Game wrote: Sounds like almost a carbon copy of the Clinton Administration with the exception of the national debt. Of course there was no war and terrorism was ignored, Enron crashed the market, credit crd debt soared, mortgages became cheap and easy.
One party two factions. thats how the game really works. There is a political class the sooner you recognize that the better off you will be.
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