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The Insyder wrote: I think you have to go back a lot further than the past eight years and you can't fix all blame on Republicans. This whole housing/credit situation bagan long ago and had Democrat fingerprints all over it.
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=House+Banking+Committee+Hearings&as_ldate=2004&as_hdate=2004&um=1&scoring=t&sa=X&oi=archive&ct=title By the same token please let me suggest that you read the first hand account of exactly who covered up this mess and who warned of this years ago. You may not be pleased with Republican performance, or lack of it, but not to be horrified and outraged by the Democrats shows an incredible bias. Let me be more specific. The far left, socialist Democrats. Blue Dogs excepted.
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Credit Crisis...... The only reason we have this mess is because the yahoos in Congress allowed this to happen and now we have to pay for it all again. People do not have anymore money to spend. Tapped out or a better word for you die hard conservatives who can't see pass McCains limited ability to comprehend the reality of the families struggling every day. WE ARE BROKE. Are you better off now than you were eight years ago? REALITY 
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 02:19 pm |
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Fred wrote: I don't, and haven't heard an economist say it will last anywhere near that long, unless you listen to Ben and Ron Paul.
I suggest you read the full article I posted under the other thread. There are plenty of economists and analyst out there that predicted this would happen.
This thread is over a year old. So this was predicted by us over a year ago! How many times must we prove ourselves correct before you stop labeling us the tin hat bregade and stop listening to the politicians, whom we have proven have lied to you every step of the way?
This bailout is nothing more than ligitimising a decade of wallstreet fraud. Which all of the politicians benefited from. it will cost more than 700 billion and it will cause hyper inflation
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Playing the Game wrote: All of the current economists that are regulary quoted, are surprised with day to day change. You can listen to them all you want.
Well, it isn't an exact science, but it is a bit more to go rather then those voices you hear in your head.....
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| Last nights debate was a win win for Obama and even though Ms Palin could do her scripted talking points on camera, she still failed to answer at least six questions from the moderator. She's clever with the republican rhetoric basically trying to sell a refrigerator to an Eskimo. NO SUBSTANCE STILL and Joe just let her do her thing which worked out great for the DEMS.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 02:35 am |
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| All of the current economists that are regulary quoted, are surprised with day to day change. You can listen to them all you want.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 02:32 am |
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I don't, and haven't heard an economist say it will last anywhere near that long, unless you listen to Ben and Ron Paul.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 02:25 am |
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| Depends on who is elected. With Obamamamma, yes.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 02:21 am |
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| You think the recession will last longer than 3 years?
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| OK Jimmy.....................................
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The only reason you might be wrong is that I suspect this recession will last about 18 months to 2 years, and we will then have a slight improvement over the next two.
If the incoming President can convince the American people of this, and it does get better, as I believe it will....4 more years.
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Neither Party passes the smell test this year. I think it is best for Conservatives and Republicans to let Obamamamma and Joe the Shmoe run the White House for 4 years.
We are in such a friggin mess now, anyone who runs in 2012 will blow away the incumbent.
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| We can call the GOP ticket.... "McFailin" and the reality of it all is John McCain's so called maverick status is a joke.
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Ben Franklin wrote: The Insyder wrote: I think you have to go back a lot further than the past eight years and you can't fix all blame on Republicans. This whole housing/credit situation bagan long ago and had Democrat fingerprints all over it.
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=House+Banking+Committee+Hearings&as_ldate=2004&as_hdate=2004&um=1&scoring=t&sa=X&oi=archive&ct=title
Dude everyone knows its both parties fault. This is clearly a partisan issue.
Read the hearing transcripts. You'll see that your statement is wrong.
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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 06:54 pm |
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The Insyder wrote: I think you have to go back a lot further than the past eight years and you can't fix all blame on Republicans. This whole housing/credit situation bagan long ago and had Democrat fingerprints all over it.
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=House+Banking+Committee+Hearings&as_ldate=2004&as_hdate=2004&um=1&scoring=t&sa=X&oi=archive&ct=title
Dude everyone knows its both parties fault. This is clearly a partisan issue.
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I think you have to go back a lot further than the past eight years and you can't fix all blame on Republicans. This whole housing/credit situation bagan long ago and had Democrat fingerprints all over it.
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=House+Banking+Committee+Hearings&as_ldate=2004&as_hdate=2004&um=1&scoring=t&sa=X&oi=archive&ct=title
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The reality of the situation is that the credit markets were already beginning to lock up, and are going to get worse. Maybe you don't think it affects you, but it will at some point as individuals, businesses, and governments can't buy or build anything.
Yes, I would like the perfect solution, and I would prefer the 100 billion of pork and unfunded tax cuts not be in there. I would like those who caused it to suffer pain, but I also know deep down they saw this coming and their "hurt" will be their net worth decreasing from 100 million to 50 million...and that they will be in a position to get it all back, in spades.
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| The criminals have ruined this country for the last eight years and the majority of the country is fed up with you conservatives. All you do is take care of your own and the hell with the rest in simple words. You started a war we had no business being in and then let wall street run wild with greed. No regulations, no rules and the worse president this country has ever had to endure. You still don't get it but the rest of the country does and the conservatives crap has run its course. Your self proclaimed wisdom follows the republican doctrine to a "T" and the American people are fed up with it all. Last edited on Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 05:50 pm by Legends457
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Ben Franklin wrote: Has anyone seen the bill the senate passed? It appears to me they still have not published it. Am I the only one who has an issue with this going down in secret? No, Ben, and there are many who have a problem with it. We get bits and pieces but after learning that McCain caved in to support this pork-wrapped "bailout" I have determined that neither McCain not Obama is fit to lead this country. Thankfully they stripped the provision to give ACORN any monies but they bribed those elkected members with port to "sweeten" the deal. Unless there is a full investigation and open congressional hearings into the beginning of this mess to the present, not one of the congress who supports this bailout deserves re-election. This should be fully investigated and those responsible should be imprisoned the way Ken Lay and the Enron crooks were. There are no clean hands here. Read the transcripts of the 2004 House Banking Committee hearings and you will see exactly who the criminals are.
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| Joe Bidden needs to do his job and put John McCain in his place with everything he can put together and do it with a "smile"l John McCain is starting to drool at the mouth and when that happens the man gets "angry". John McCain can't take the pressure like years ago and it's showing each new day as this election comes nearer to the end. McCain has made some serious mistakes and one of them is picking the so called Pit Bull with Lipstick for a running mate. I do think his Navy mind set kicked in and he was thinking with the wrong head again. John has a way of doing that and we'll leave it at that.
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| Has anyone seen the bill the senate passed? It appears to me they still have not published it. Am I the only one who has an issue with this going down in secret?
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I don't think so.
The format is highly structured, so if she doesn't drool on herself and can parrot the talking points they have drilled into her, they will be able to claim a victory for her.
Joe has a more difficult job; not that he isn't prepared or that he won't know the answers, but that he has to take the right approach with Palin. Personally, I hope he would treat her exactly as one should treat a lightweight in a debate...crush her like a grape, but he won't do that.
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This debate tonight should put the final touches on a disaster VP pick for John McCain and his Maverick crap.
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| Two Pennies..... I have no idea what the hell your talking about outside the fact that John McCain's ties to corruption goes back to the Keating FIVE days and his ability to escape prosecution is beyond reality. His influence back then within the Savings and Loan spoke for itself. His Reagan era sponsorship of military spending was a doctrine for those $400 toilet seats and now with our military spending at the highest levels ever we can look back and put it all in perspective can't we? Pay and compensation costs a lot of money for a well equiped military. No minimum wage paying jobs there huh? War costs at 12 billion a month..... McCain don't get it Last edited on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 03:13 pm by Game_Over2007
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2centsworth wrote: Game_Over2007 wrote: How Does The Army define McCain?
Posted on September 13, 2008 by chamay0
This is cute, while perusing the Army Times I ran across a pretty sweet articles covering one of McCain’s speeches, at the Lee Summit, where he told the listeners that Obama said he would slow our development for future combat systems. Was it true? This is how the Army interpreted McCain deception:
Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute called it deceitful.
“McCain’s interpretation of Obama’s position is typical of the way in which the Republicans have twisted Democratic views in order to undercut their opponents and at the same time obscure the past positions of the Republicans,” Thompson said. “Future Combat Systems is the centerpiece of Army modernization. However, McCain has been more critical of it than anyone else in the chamber. Obama has been much more detailed and thoughtful in his comments about future military investment than McCain’s very superficial statements.”
I guess McCain doesn’t think any one can see through his lies. I’m starting to think the man is a pathological liar with no shame.
Enough said
Get the blinders off GO. FCS is a typical DOD boondoggle that began in 1999 as a 92 billion dollar project. Naturally it is years behind schedule and is now estimated to cost over 240 billion. McCain's position is that the defense budget and procurement and development process should be scrapped and a new system put in place. He is tying to bring an end to the $4000 hammer and $10,000 toaster.
youre so naive. The gov isnt paying 4K for a hammer thats how they hid blackops money! The process wont be chaged cos its a good process to hide how much is actually being spent on what project, so our enemies cant tell what were working on. Or so the public cant
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Game_Over2007 wrote: How Does The Army define McCain?
Posted on September 13, 2008 by chamay0
This is cute, while perusing the Army Times I ran across a pretty sweet articles covering one of McCain’s speeches, at the Lee Summit, where he told the listeners that Obama said he would slow our development for future combat systems. Was it true? This is how the Army interpreted McCain deception:
Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute called it deceitful.
“McCain’s interpretation of Obama’s position is typical of the way in which the Republicans have twisted Democratic views in order to undercut their opponents and at the same time obscure the past positions of the Republicans,” Thompson said. “Future Combat Systems is the centerpiece of Army modernization. However, McCain has been more critical of it than anyone else in the chamber. Obama has been much more detailed and thoughtful in his comments about future military investment than McCain’s very superficial statements.”
I guess McCain doesn’t think any one can see through his lies. I’m starting to think the man is a pathological liar with no shame.
Enough said
Get the blinders off GO. FCS is a typical DOD boondoggle that began in 1999 as a 92 billion dollar project. Naturally it is years behind schedule and is now estimated to cost over 240 billion. McCain's position is that the defense budget and procurement and development process should be scrapped and a new system put in place. He is tying to bring an end to the $4000 hammer and $10,000 toaster.
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Failing banks on the rise...
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html
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How Does The Army define McCain?
Posted on September 13, 2008 by chamay0
This is cute, while perusing the Army Times I ran across a pretty sweet articles covering one of McCain’s speeches, at the Lee Summit, where he told the listeners that Obama said he would slow our development for future combat systems. Was it true? This is how the Army interpreted McCain deception:
Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute called it deceitful.
“McCain’s interpretation of Obama’s position is typical of the way in which the Republicans have twisted Democratic views in order to undercut their opponents and at the same time obscure the past positions of the Republicans,” Thompson said. “Future Combat Systems is the centerpiece of Army modernization. However, McCain has been more critical of it than anyone else in the chamber. Obama has been much more detailed and thoughtful in his comments about future military investment than McCain’s very superficial statements.”
I guess McCain doesn’t think any one can see through his lies. I’m starting to think the man is a pathological liar with no shame.
Enough said
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Without question, Ben...and as proof of that, the more secure your election to your next term is, the less likely you were to vote on it.
I do have money in a couple of retirement funds, and college education plans that will take a hit. I am hoping that the window for when I need them is far enough out that I won't take too much of a bath. The retirement I am really not that worried about, as I've got 20 years or so for that, but needing the college funds in 5 years or so might be a bit tighter.
However....I think a bailout plan WILL pass in some form. The Congresscritters will get a few more bones in the package, they will get some sort of CYA, and the stock market will go up 800 points.
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Game_Over2007 wrote: BOTTOM LINE.... This country has been told you want it, buy it and use your credit line day in and day out. Now we're seeing our so called wealth we all thought we had slowly fade off into the sunset and theirs nothing we can do about it. Bush told people to spend spend and spend! So now the followers of the herd who listened are paying a dear price for living way above their means and the greed created has made a few wealthy people more money and your left holding the bag. WE HAVE MORE DEBT THAN WE CAN SUSTAIN AND YOU CAN'T FIX THIS OVERNIGHT. Get ready for a long long deep recession. The politicians are only worried about getting re-elected and passing the buck. When you vote make it easy on yourself. Vote against all incumbents and vote new blood in.
Here here, you hit the nail on the head.
I dont use credit i figured it was a scam over a decade ago. So I am not concerned about getting any. I dont invest in the stock market cos its not used as it was created to be used. Especially after I found out they got fined 4 billion one year. So I dont care if it crashes.
We the People caused this with our spend now pay later mentality. Well its time for all you chumps to pay. While the rich send their money out of the country
I AGREE VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS! I think this bill failed for one reason. Its too close to election time.
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| BOTTOM LINE.... This country has been told you want it, buy it and use your credit line day in and day out. Now we're seeing our so called wealth we all thought we had slowly fade off into the sunset and theirs nothing we can do about it. Bush told people to spend spend and spend! So now the followers of the herd who listened are paying a dear price for living way above their means and the greed created has made a few wealthy people more money and your left holding the bag. WE HAVE MORE DEBT THAN WE CAN SUSTAIN AND YOU CAN'T FIX THIS OVERNIGHT. Get ready for a long long deep recession. The politicians are only worried about getting re-elected and passing the buck. When you vote make it easy on yourself. Vote against all incumbents and vote new blood in. Last edited on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 08:49 am by Game_Over2007
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| Perhaps...or they sealed their doom. Americans tend to have short memories, and if we do slide into a deep recession or depression as a result, regardless of whether or not this bail out would have prevented it (and that is not a sure bet).....guess who will get the blame? Last edited on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 10:18 am by Fred
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| Maybe the politicians got a come uppance today by the people. I can't think of a nicer group to be on the lifeboat than GWB, Nanny and Bezoar, they can have Barney and Chris row the boat and try to figure out why AMERICANS said, STOP SPENDING MY MONEY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Well, if the President can't get his own party to go along with a plan that he coaxed the Democrats to do....that is a lack of leadership, a lack of power, or perhaps just the fact of being a lame duck President.
There was a plan to have the minimal number of people vote for this distateful plan that had to, and I am willing to bet that a lot of arm-twisting was done on both sides, and both sides hate to have that wasted...because they will just have to do it again.
While I think something will get passed from fear of the economy locking up in the next 5 weeks, I am not as certain as once was. We may get our full recession out of it, but we probably would have had one anyway.
At least Campbell Soup stock has been going up....time to stock up.
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Once again the Congress finally woke up and listened to the people. 40 % of Democrats and 60% of Republicans said no. I wouldn't call that running for the hills GO.
I had to laugh when Franks & Nanny tried to blame the Republicans for the failure. What about the 94 Democrats who weren't convinced by the alleged "Leadership".
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Game_Over2007 wrote: Today is another day to remember because no politician in his right mind will want his name on this TOXIC WASTE BAILOUT plan after 95 percent of the American people say NO....... We can thank the Republicans for this mess and it's amazing how they are running in the halls of Congress trying to find a place to hide so they don't have to answer any questions. EIGHT YEARS of this crap..... Thank your local real estate brokers for all the PUMPING of Prices while the New Jersey factor kicked in thus making this robust market so great! Life is fun...
The majority of people I ve spoken to say screw em let em fail and go bankrupt.
We DONT CARE IF THEY FAIL!
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Legends457 wrote: This Bailout program is proof of the total incompetence of the Republican party who have spent more money in eight years then any other administration in U S History. Just on Bush's watch we've added another 6.5 trillion more debt since he took office eight years ago. Then you conservatives tell us about less government and less spending..... What the hell you talking about anyway? DUH? So you don't think that those who were put in charge (Democrat appointees and Democrats themselves) of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had anything to do with ot? These guys when in charge allowed them to cook the books and overstate their values. Barny Frank was in charge of the banking committee. No responsibility? How about the years the liberal Democrats forced the banks to grant zero down loans, low interest loans, ni income verification loans to low income areas and to thoise to whom they knew could not repay thewse loans boughgt up at teaser rates? If they refused, like any responsible bank would, they would be branded as engaging in racial discrimination and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and their organizations were ready to take to the air waves and picket lines. The "guardians" of these committees and heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack, Democrats plumb appointees, who knew what was going to happen share no blame? McCain warned in 2005 and co-s[ponsoerd legislation to try and block the downfall. Even Bush warned in 2001 and 2002 but the Dems blocked any attempt to blow the whistle on their boys. Put Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, and Chuck Schumer on the wirness stand. Thrown in Paulson and Berbake. So you accept these foxes watching the henhouse? These are the guys who got uns into this mess in the first place. A good startying point is the CRA. Follow the money trail from then to now. You'ss find a different story than the one you are telling.
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Game_Over2007 wrote: Today is another day to remember because no politician in his right mind will want his name on this TOXIC WASTE BAILOUT plan after 95 percent of the American people say NO....... We can thank the Republicans for this mess and it's amazing how they are running in the halls of Congress trying to find a place to hide so they don't have to answer any questions. EIGHT YEARS of this crap..... Thank your local real estate brokers for all the PUMPING of Prices while the New Jersey factor kicked in thus making this robust market so great! Life is fun...
The majority of people I ve spoken to say screw em let em fail and go bankrupt.
We DONT CARE IF THEY FAIL!
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Fred wrote: And another one bites the dust.....wonder why the Secretary of the Treasurer keeps pushing to get the deal done?
Citigroup Inc. will acquire the banking operations of Wachovia Corporation; Charlotte, North Carolina, in a transaction facilitated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and concurred with by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve and the Secretary of the Treasury in consultation with the President. All depositors are fully protected and there is expected to be no cost to the Deposit Insurance Fund. Wachovia did not fail; rather, it is to be acquired by Citigroup Inc. on an open bank basis with assistance from the FDIC.
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Citigroup Inc. will acquire the bulk of Wachovia's assets and liabilities, including five depository institutions and assume senior and subordinated debt of Wachovia Corp. Wachovia Corporation will continue to own AG Edwards and Evergreen. The FDIC has entered into a loss sharing arrangement on a pre-identified pool of loans. Under the agreement, Citigroup Inc. will absorb up to $42 billion of losses on a $312 billion pool of loans. The FDIC will absorb losses beyond that. Citigroup has granted the FDIC $12 billion in preferred stock and warrants to compensate the FDIC for bearing this risk.
The FDIC is buying stock? How the heck can that be constitutional?
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And another one bites the dust.....wonder why the Secretary of the Treasurer keeps pushing to get the deal done?
Citigroup Inc. will acquire the banking operations of Wachovia Corporation; Charlotte, North Carolina, in a transaction facilitated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and concurred with by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve and the Secretary of the Treasury in consultation with the President. All depositors are fully protected and there is expected to be no cost to the Deposit Insurance Fund. Wachovia did not fail; rather, it is to be acquired by Citigroup Inc. on an open bank basis with assistance from the FDIC.
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Citigroup Inc. will acquire the bulk of Wachovia's assets and liabilities, including five depository institutions and assume senior and subordinated debt of Wachovia Corp. Wachovia Corporation will continue to own AG Edwards and Evergreen. The FDIC has entered into a loss sharing arrangement on a pre-identified pool of loans. Under the agreement, Citigroup Inc. will absorb up to $42 billion of losses on a $312 billion pool of loans. The FDIC will absorb losses beyond that. Citigroup has granted the FDIC $12 billion in preferred stock and warrants to compensate the FDIC for bearing this risk.
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| Today is another day to remember because no politician in his right mind will want his name on this TOXIC WASTE BAILOUT plan after 95 percent of the American people say NO....... We can thank the Republicans for this mess and it's amazing how they are running in the halls of Congress trying to find a place to hide so they don't have to answer any questions. EIGHT YEARS of this crap..... Thank your local real estate brokers for all the PUMPING of Prices while the New Jersey factor kicked in thus making this robust market so great! Life is fun... Last edited on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 02:25 pm by Game_Over2007
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| Republican, Conservative, Democrat, and Liberal are not interchangeable terms. Conservatives are in an uproar, not just Republican Conservatives. President Bush is a Republican, we thought he would follow Conservative thought and ideology. His administration caved on spending. He is a Rockefeller Republican in action.
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| This Bailout program is proof of the total incompetence of the Republican party who have spent more money in eight years then any other administration in U S History. Just on Bush's watch we've added another 6.5 trillion more debt since he took office eight years ago. Then you conservatives tell us about less government and less spending..... What the hell you talking about anyway? DUH?
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Integrity is consistency of actions, values, methods, measures and principles. Since when Mr McCain years ago was exposed as corrupt and a die hard loyalist to Mr Charles Keating, I rest my case. His voting record is consistent with Bush, He has no values considering he left his wife while she was dieing for the now Cindy McCain, His methods of being a maverick in the Senate are blown out of proportion and basically a joke, You can't measure his abilities as an effective senator because the man's track record is tainted with his ties to some of the wealth on Wall Street, He has no principles unless he has found God in his life which I doubt. Mr flip flopper has a problem. He picked a Moose from Alaska as his running mate and that sums up his principles and more. Is Jellystone park in AZ ????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
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Fred wrote: Forgetting someone's name is a strange example of a lack of intergrity.
If you believe that was the point of my comment, I seriously have to wonder about your own definition of integrity.
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Playing the Game wrote: If you can't see the difference, you are not worth the keystrokes to argue with.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 12:36 am |
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| If you want to talk about character, we can go to McCain...plenty of issues there, especially if we start talking about his talking about not being associated with lobbyists.
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| If you can't see the difference, you are not worth the keystrokes to argue with.
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Playing the Game wrote: He accepted the bracelet from the soldiers Mom and was wearing it and using it to politically advance the notion that he cares. If he was wearing a bracelet for his son and spoke of it that is integrity. Using it shamelessly for political gain is a lack of integrity.
Fred wrote:
Forgetting someone's name is a strange example of a lack of intergrity.
Talking about memory lapses in general - do you have any thoughts about McCain not knowing what countries border Iraq or who the Iranians were providing arms to?
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He accepted the bracelet from the soldiers Mom and was wearing it and using it to politically advance the notion that he cares. If he was wearing a bracelet for his son and spoke of it that is integrity. Using it shamelessly for political gain is a lack of integrity.
Fred wrote:
Forgetting someone's name is a strange example of a lack of intergrity.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 12:27 am |
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Habanero wrote: The Plagiarizer is going to need new hairplugs by the time the Moose gets through with him.
Yep, its junior high school all over again. Yo momma.
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