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Playing the Game wrote: There are lots of countries where the haves are forced to pay for the have nots. What incentive do I have to improve my life if I have to give it away to those who choose to be takers?
Self respect, self worth...self esteem, a better life for yourself and your families.
You have been giving away for better than 1/2 your life already in taxes just as I have. From what you describe about your life and what you know about mine I don't think we got hurt to bad so far.
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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 03:40 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: There are lots of countries where the haves are forced to pay for the have nots. What incentive do I have to improve my life if I have to give it away to those who choose to be takers?
No man is an island. We should not have to pay for anyone who does not do their part and contribute. We should also not ignore the fact that there are people who are working hard and going under.
In the end, we do pay for everyone who is not making it whether that is a result of not trying or working hard.
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| There are lots of countries where the haves are forced to pay for the have nots. What incentive do I have to improve my life if I have to give it away to those who choose to be takers?
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Maybe if those who support John "boy" McCain would read what Obama's tax plan is maybe they would understand the big picture and not BIG BUSINESS as USUAL.
If your retired and making less than 50K a year you pay "NO" taxes period. Tax breaks for the middle income bracket and those of you who make over $250K will pay more. *S* I think thats great. You want to be GREEDY, YOU PAY. Big change huh? STEW ON THAT TODAY.......
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John McCain must have told FOX News he needed Karl Rove's bag of dirty politics to help him win the election. Look at the BS they put down on John Kerry. It's the nature of their agenda by spreading dirt. They just need to look in the mirror and see dirt......................
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I agree with you Fred. I think with this latest negative crap John "Boy" is putting out just shows how scared he really is considering the "Karl Rove" Dirty Tactics Team has showed up at his front door to help the old man out with his failures. The real issues are front and center and wasting your time on all this negative crap is just telling the American people it's business as usual and nothing will change. Obama at least can connect with the American voter in a way they can see the truth for what it really is and make them feel a sense of pride they've manage to lose under George W Bush. Scare tactics got us George W Bush and that in itself has been an eight year nightmare ruining our country's image and status in the world order. Thank you George Bush..........
People have woken up to the reality of the situation and will do whats right in November. John "Boy" needs to just go back to his home state and take care of Ms Cindy (High Maintenance) McCain. I have my issues with our Congress and that WITCH Nancy..... but so goes life. The GOP led us down the wrong path and now we pay for their failed policies. Wall Street will get its just "due" as it has and will continue as truth prevails and the pundits of greed get exposed over time.
Remember Obama communicates with people and doesn't need Joe Lieberman in the background to help him make it through the day. John "Boy" has a real problem with that part of the equation and that will take him down. Change will come and business as usual is over. You who have rode the wave of greed will now have to pay. Get those crying towels out because its REALITY.
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I've seen McCain make more mistakes then Obama has when in unscripted situations, Bix....they only one worse is Dubya. Can you give me examples of where Obama screwed up in unscripted situations, or are you going to try to contend that he has only been in them?
And, for your information, the debates are extremely well practiced. To call them unscripted would be a bit of a stretch.
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In two hundred years our debt accumulated to around five trillion dollars and in just eight years of Bush we've grown this debt to over nine trillion dollars. Cut taxes for the rich and sell your country to overseas investors. Great way of doing business over time and the end result is what we have today. The worse economy since the Great Depression and Its all on Bush's watch so he gets the blame.
The credit markets will slowly kill off the lower and middle class as you see the real truth unfold. Politicians on both sides are guilty. Bush ruined this country, so now he can go back home and write a book on all he's done. FOX News can help him write it and maybe it will become a best seller! Karl Rove can give George some more of his advice on how to ruin a country! Accomplishments in eight years? Do we want four more years of Bush in McCain? That is the reality of this election. Maybe we need to clean up this mess with real change? Last edited on Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 02:34 pm by Angel1965
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OK. Sounds cool.
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Bixby wrote: No, he is great before a large audience but not before the town hall setting where the citizens get to ask the questions and no script is at hand. He is a most polished and eloquent speaker but does not do well "winging" it. McCain, on the other hand, is a lousy speaker but does well with a "down home" setting. Evidence of both can be seen in the numerous news clips from CNN and FNC.
Bixby, lets agree to disagree about this and wait and see what happens when they debate. After each debate, we can share our thoughts on how each did.
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No, he is great before a large audience but not before the town hall setting where the citizens get to ask the questions and no script is at hand. He is a most polished and eloquent speaker but does not do well "winging" it. McCain, on the other hand, is a lousy speaker but does well with a "down home" setting. Evidence of both can be seen in the numerous news clips from CNN and FNC.
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 02:46 am |
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Bixby wrote: Game_Over2007 wrote: Obama will do a few town meetings..... that will come.... but formal debates with news agency pundits asking real issue questions...... Maybe they can get FOX news to help John "Boy" out and have Joe Lieberman there to refresh his memory......  I would love to see them answer real issue questions from a live audience of citizens and not from biased MSN pundits who are blatantly in the tank for Obama. It is here where Obama would fail because he can only function from a scripted speech.
Bixby, are you really saying that Obama has trouble in front of a live audience? We've all gotten to see Obama handle himself before a live audience. Unfortunately for McCain, he can't get that many people to come out to hear him.
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Game_Over2007 wrote: Obama will do a few town meetings..... that will come.... but formal debates with news agency pundits asking real issue questions...... Maybe they can get FOX news to help John "Boy" out and have Joe Lieberman there to refresh his memory...... I would love to see them answer real issue questions from a live audience of citizens and not from biased MSN pundits who are blatantly in the tank for Obama. It is here where Obama would fail because he can only function from a scripted speech.
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| I am eager to see Obama and McCain debate. That will be the end of McCain's campaign. McCain has turned into a very mean spirited person.
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| Obama will do a few town meetings..... that will come.... but formal debates with news agency pundits asking real issue questions...... Maybe they can get FOX news to help John "Boy" out and have Joe Lieberman there to refresh his memory......
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McCain offered, Obama refused.
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Did Wal Mart go on national news and reflect this view? Missed this little tid bit. The drama of Obama and McCain needs to go to a formal debate face to face soon instead of those stupid snippets with television wasting time. I want to see John "boy" talk with no script and maybe we can see the real John "boy" come alive! LOL.
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| Did Wal Mart go on national news and reflect this view? Missed this little tid bit. The drama of Obama and McCain needs to go to a formal debate face to face soon instead of those stupid snippets with television wasting time. I want to see John "boy" talk with no script and maybe we can see the real John "boy" come alive! LOL.
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Let me refer you to the parable of the workers in the vineyard. If one finds that a certain employer does not pay enough, then let him/her seek employment elsewhere.
If enough people do not seek to work for a certain employer, then let the rules of business dictate. They will soon enough get the message. If not, they are surely doomed!
Fred wrote:Walmart is fully within it's rights to do such a thing...but they are on the wrong side of so much else, it doesn't surprise me. Amazing how you have wage slaves barely hanging on to a substance level existance, but if you threaten them, they can be cowed how you want.
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| What is it Wal*Mart is on the wrong side of Fred?
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the latest downfall BILLIONS IN LOSS
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/080801markets.aspx?GT1=33002
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You mean she is on their board of directors, which, as they are from Arkansas, isn't that hard to understand.
Walmart is fully within it's rights to do such a thing...but they are on the wrong side of so much else, it doesn't surprise me. Amazing how you have wage slaves barely hanging on to a substance level existance, but if you threaten them, they can be cowed how you want.
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Hillary Clinton would have made a great president but Obama would do as well in controlling the capitalist pigs who are destroying our country in the name of corporate greed. When Europe was in turmoil and in depression, certain leaders took control of the economy and business. The Germans did it under Hitler but he only controlled the policies. Stalin went even better in controlling every aspect of the business wold. The government ran everything and guess what? The depression ended and Russia became the controller of the Soviet Union. WEe should take a lesson here and abolish Wall Street and let the government run things. Not the present government but one under an ideal socialist framework. Karl marx had the perfect plan but is was implemented poorly. We could do a better job by learning from the mistakes of Hitler and Stalin. We could run a perfect socialist government, better than England, france and Germany. With Obama in command and a new socialist Democratic congress we can make this country the enevy of the world. As you saw in his trip to Europe, Obama can become the leader of a world socialist view championed by the UN. There are great things on the horizon. If you fail to see it, just read back through these posts, way back. If that dont convince you to sway our country to perfect socialism, then you atre beyond help. Capitalism is dead.
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heh heh heh
that's funny about Wal-mart
If I recall Hilary who is a Democrat , was a Wal-mart crony oh I mean lawyer
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm
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http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/08/01/wal_mart/index.html?source=rss&aim=/politics/war_room
Now Wal-mart would never tell their employees how to vote , just give the information.
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| I have no faith in John "Boy" McCain or any of his followers. He has no knowledge of the state of our economy and trying to reflect on Ronald Reagan just makes his cause even worse. As far as I'm concerned Reagan was the "drama king" of the White House and no more. When you talk reality you have to look into the eyes and souls of those who elect you and not be influenced by Lobbyists or Corporations selling out the souls of the American workers. I have no use for union busters and selling out to cheap labor over seas. The wolf in the sheep's costume syndrome is over..... Americans want the current system of government cleaned up but our own Congress is worthless...... they can't even vote on a contempt of Congress order for Karl Rove and getting an arrest warrant out for his sorry ass..... 22 percent approval rating has to make you wonder... now those idiots are going on a five week vacation...... you have to love it.... Last edited on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 04:04 pm by Game_Over2007
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"JFK, MLK and RFK were great leaders, that met untimely deaths ."
One second in time took away years of change in the making.
That's good ! Who is the author ?
Helen here don't worry about Connie Rice she will have role that both parties will agree on.
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The world is a different place than 1963. Granted, there are always cuckoos out there, unfortunately, but I don't think anyone really expects a JFK or RFK out of Obama. There are those of us who hope for it, but we don't really expect it. That was a magical time, perhaps, coming out of the innocence of the 50s, but I think we are different in our expectations.
I expect Obama or McCain to do a fair to middling job as President. I know there are Ronnie fans here, but I don't consider him a great President. Good, perhaps, but we now know too much of what is going on so we see the warts and the problems as well as the good things of all our Presidents.
I think both can do the job. I would dismiss the age issue IF McCain wasn't making so many "senior moment" mistakes. It is true that 70 is now the new 60, and many 75 year olds are functioning better then 50 year olds, but there are also those 70 year olds who have started to lose it, or who don't have the energy to do the job....look at Fred Thompson as an example of a guy who was a lot younger but seemingly didn't have it in his heart to really go after it.
The reality is that we will have one of these two people because OUR system (yes, that means you and I) has produced them. Great people I think have great flaws for the most part, and those flaws are fatal in our current system.
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Look the 60's may have been 40 years ago , but history has always repeated it's self , this is my fear if Obama wins ,
JFK, MLK and RFK all were leaders that met untimely deaths.
One second in time took away years of change in the making.
No matter how many ways Obama is served up, he will not fill the world as these three. I hope it never comes to pass , but I have a gut feeling that he will be taken down by one of his own. ( meaning he is claiming Black ) His Veep choice is very important to his winning . He or she will need to be a person that can step right into the role with out hesitation and no concerns of can I do this. He or she will have to be well versed on all of the issues.
I hate to say this , but right now I see that person being Hilary only because Connie is with the Bush administration and she has no plans of jumping parties or being VP according to the press.
McCain : age and health is another issue with some , But Roosevelt , Regan proved many wrong.
He also needs to make the same decision , some how I don't see any one gunning for McCain , but any thing is possible.
Connie Change your mind !
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| You may be right...... McCain needs all the help he can get but his personality will be his downfall....... He is slowly self-destructing as the campaign goes.
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Hate to repeat my self , but I still think it will be the VEEP picks that will win this election !
You keep blaming all these issues on Bush , you don't seem to question why HR and NP are doing nothing about drilling off shore or other places to slow down our need for other countries.
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| This latest attack by the McCain people on Obama for using the race card is a clear example of Karl Rove tactics to avoid talking about real issues. Eight years of Bush policies and the results are clear with the economy going in the toilet. Great reason to elect Bush again in McCain. I wonder why McCain can't talk to his followers with out having a script to read? He has memory problems for sure a personality like a rock. Joe Lieberman has to make sure he gets the Iraq tribes straight in his mind. He just can't connect with his straight talk express going nowhere. Big mistake on his part endorsing his people to say a race card has been played. People got fed up with dirty tactics last election with John Kerry's ordeal with Karl Rove. Talk issues or don't campaign. Last edited on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 12:50 pm by Angel1965
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| Well all we have to do is look at our Congress and see the overall TOTAL PICTURE OF INCOMPETENCE and what lies ahead. The GOP blew it big-time with their golden boy from Texas and now we have to live with "Nancy" and that stupid smile of hers along with the other far left JERKS who just can't seem to add two and two to get four. We have to live with what they do and so far its been a real nightmare. We have sold our souls to foreign nations when it comes to our infrastructure, our manufacturing base, and to make it even better we've lost control of our borders. Had to laugh at John "Boy" McCain and his "race" card theory now. When are these two IDIOTS running for the President going to respond to the will of the people and answer some questions about what the hell they intend to do. My God this is getting to be a real joke anymore with the "he said she said" crap. No wonder we have problems we can't fix.................... On the local scene you can vote for "HUTCH" and get the same ole same ole....... haha..... What a LEGEND "HUTCH" Last edited on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 09:13 am by Game_Over2007
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This pretty much sums up how screwed we are
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/IsMarketFixTomorrowsCrisis.aspx
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Fifteen months ago, Merrill Lynch (MER, news, msgs) was in a race to become the world's leading underwriter of high-yielding credit derivatives known as collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs. This week, new management sheepishly announced the sale of $30 billion worth of its inventory for 22 cents on the dollar, and it had to lend the buyer 75% of the sale price to boot.----would this be the sub prime mortgages?
"A secretive state-owned cabal in Singapore called Temasek Holdings is allowed, without protest, to become the largest institutional holder of the leading U.S. broker. Dozens of regional banks are headed for receivership." the implications of this are ominus. A foriegn gov, whos status towards the US is unkonwn to me, is now the largest US borker.
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Game_Over2007 wrote: Whose buying insurance? Cheer up PTG. Looking at the big picture you can see the cards falling as the credit spreads widen over the whole economy. I was making a point showing the spread of greed again. We now have 9.5 trillion dollars of debt and of that debt, George W Bush has given us almost half of it with his great economic plans for the future. Amazing how Texas Fuzzy Math along with his buddy Karl Rove sold the American Dream to a bunch of idiots who couldn't read or write. I must be talking about the Congress of the United States..........................
Ive heard of several people who have dropped their car insurance
Pay it or pay the mortgage. Nice choices huh?
Id expect more insurance companies to start going belly up any time now
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| Whose buying insurance? Cheer up PTG. Looking at the big picture you can see the cards falling as the credit spreads widen over the whole economy. I was making a point showing the spread of greed again. We now have 9.5 trillion dollars of debt and of that debt, George W Bush has given us almost half of it with his great economic plans for the future. Amazing how Texas Fuzzy Math along with his buddy Karl Rove sold the American Dream to a bunch of idiots who couldn't read or write. I must be talking about the Congress of the United States..........................
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America retail and the food sector were overbuilt, built on the concept that everybody will continue to spend money they don't have. I am not suprised at Bennigans going down the tank, and would not be surprised to see a few more that go after the same demographic go down.
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| So don't buy insurance. What do you care, you'll be dead
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Game_Over2007 wrote: MET Life Insurance reported earnings yesterday and missed their numbers and guess the reason? Commercial Real Estate which makes you wonder because all these big insurance giants are heavily invested in this area of the market. Look around you here and see all the nice buildings up for LEASE or FOR SALE and no buyers or tenants. This is going on all over the country and the credit crunch will continue because we have to FIX the MESS these GREEDY YAHOOs created with their never ending call for more and more building....... How does it feel now Mr Harrington and oh yes we can't forget Mr Zimmerman....... GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED If an insurance company has that much money to invest arent we paying too much for insurance? I say yes
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| MET Life Insurance reported earnings yesterday and missed their numbers and guess the reason? Commercial Real Estate which makes you wonder because all these big insurance giants are heavily invested in this area of the market. Look around you here and see all the nice buildings up for LEASE or FOR SALE and no buyers or tenants. This is going on all over the country and the credit crunch will continue because we have to FIX the MESS these GREEDY YAHOOs created with their never ending call for more and more building....... How does it feel now Mr Harrington and oh yes we can't forget Mr Zimmerman....... GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
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I see Benagins went bankrupt!
I wonder who is next?
do you hear that whistling noise? thats the dollar plumeting to its death.
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Playing the Game wrote: It gives them the ability to sue the government for reparations. That is you and me.
How do dead people sue?
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Playing the Game wrote: It gives them the ability to sue the government for reparations. That is you and me.
PTG -- They won't have to sue -- thais is probably what our representatives are positioning us for -- voluntarily making reparations to those who feel as though their ancestors, or themselves, have been disadvantaged.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 11:52 am |
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| Well I find all this "somebody owes me" crap as pure "BS". We go through life building on what we learn to make life better. Nobody owes you anything in life. You get out of life what you put into it and no more. Those who try to relive the past have to remember to MOVE ON and work for those changes in life to make your life better. If you can't accept it, don't waste my time telling me what we owe you who ever you are. I don't buy into that theory and if that bothers you just leave and go somewhere else. I don't care. Life's a bitch..... Last edited on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 12:03 pm by Game_Over2007
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 10:57 am |
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| It gives them the ability to sue the government for reparations. That is you and me.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 02:35 am |
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While I understand the sentiment, I am not sure of the point. The governor of Mass. pardoned all those involved in the Salem witch trials about 400 years after it happened...what was the point?
I see the same thing with many of these type of resolutions. Yes, we had people doing bad things...and we even have people today who still agree with many of these bad things, but it is in the past. I can't imagine anyone who was discriminated against caring a whit about such resolution. It doesn't change a single thing.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 12:22 am |
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I sincerely hope that the House of Representatives realizes that they do not represent me on this one. I was not alive and did nothing wrong nor did my father or his father, and refuse to pay for the sins of the settlers here. I refuse to vote for anyone who supported or voted for this legislation.
The House "apologizes to African-Americans on behalf of the people of the United States, for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow."
"Slavery and Jim Crow are stains upon what is the greatest nation on the face of the earth," Cohen said. Part of forming a more perfect union, he said, "is such a resolution as we have before us today where we face up to our mistakes and apologize as anyone should apologize for things that were done in the past that were wrong."
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 09:40 am |
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Considering the news yesterday revolving around the federal justice department hiring practices, what more can we ask for in this country. It just amazes me to see immunity given to those who confess wrong doings. Politicians have ruined our country selling out to who ever has the right amount of money and influence. We can't fix this mess.
At the local level regarding your boy "Hutch" you have to wonder about this clown who has manipulated the system for his career goals. The man thinks he's a legend and it's only in his own mind. Vote for BRIAN
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 07:32 pm |
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| Hutch always thought of himself as a Super COP...... In reality he just played the game to get ahead..... Look at the Pepper gang and the State Police..... Just hope voters go vote to ensure Hutch gets the message....... NO MORE HUTCH
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 11:34 pm |
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| The fools in this State will vote for Carney, Hutchinson, Lynn, and the rest of the main stream idiots that have run this state into the ground over the past 15 years.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 11:22 am |
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Wall Street got caught again is all that happened but this time the heart and soul of this country was crucified and burned. The so called American Dream was destroyed by the greed of Wall Street and then your local yokels put the finishing touches on this product sold. Ask Harrington Reality how much money they made during the real estate bubble as Mike ran out the back door. They all were in corruptive mode and now most will pay a price and that is good. The consumer is left holding the bag again as always is the case. Never trust anybody trying to sell you a good deal.
By the way..... Think about politics for a moment and remember what good ole boy Hutch did when he was mayor of Dover..... do you want more of him at a higher level of government? Nothing changes remember.... greed lives on...
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