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dover-diva wrote: Mendavor wrote: dover-diva wrote: Mendabee read another book May I recommend as a beginning primar for the emancipation of all the Communist Manifesto? The writings of Karl Marxk and N. Lenin are an enlightenment. The problem is that no one really reads it and accepts the right wing sound bits. Even those in our own government have been enlightened, prople like Senior WH Adviser Valerie Jarrett and Communications Director Anita Dunn, who, btw, have eloquted the praises of Chairman Mao Ze Tung. Come aboard the bandwagon and be a part of the new enterprise for America. I welcome you with open heart.
Now I know you are a liar. You can't even spell the names of YOUR heros correctly. I have read these manifesto-s and they are the rants and raves of LOSERS!!! Stay close to your home so when this administration comes to put YOU away, you can use your escape route. You do have one- don't you??? Liar? What have I lied about? My humble apologies for the typo on Marx but thay are not just my heroes but they are the heros of the world's downtrodden. Not one quote of either Marx, Lenin, or Mao have been taken to task as untrue or inoperable. They are not rants but words that transform a nation from one of economic slavery to one of economic freedom. Why would this administration put me away? I work for them and their goals of a better nation and a better world. Why find fault in that? And why so angry? I treat you civilly so why not reciprocate?
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FTW wrote: Lavitakus wrote:Ok, so because I present an example of someone else complaining about the corporate tactics abused by the gop to silence msnbc, you get a free pass to call it plagiarism?
Free pass me a$$. It is what it is. It does not matter if the plagiarized material is truthful or not, Plagiarism is plagiarism.
Here is the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary's description of Plagiarize.
Main Entry: pla·gia·rize Pronunciation: ˈplā-jə-ˌrīz also -jē-ə- Function: verb Inflected Form(s): pla·gia·rized; pla·gia·riz·ing Etymology: plagiary Date: 1716
transitive verb : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive verb : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source — pla·gia·riz·er noun
Notice how I quoted the source, this is not plagiarism.
Again. I don't care what you think about where I found others with this concern.
Why can't poor people see msnbc? Tell me that. Why does a GOP operative get to decide this? Tell me that too.
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Mendavor wrote: dover-diva wrote: Mendabee read another book May I recommend as a beginning primar for the emancipation of all the Communist Manifesto? The writings of Karl Marxk and N. Lenin are an enlightenment. The problem is that no one really reads it and accepts the right wing sound bits. Even those in our own government have been enlightened, prople like Senior WH Adviser Valerie Jarrett and Communications Director Anita Dunn, who, btw, have eloquted the praises of Chairman Mao Ze Tung. Come aboard the bandwagon and be a part of the new enterprise for America. I welcome you with open heart.
Now I know you are a liar. You can't even spell the names of YOUR heros correctly. I have read these manifesto-s and they are the rants and raves of LOSERS!!! Stay close to your home so when this administration comes to put YOU away, you can use your escape route. You do have one- don't you???
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Playing the Game wrote: So you are equating the current administration's attempt to silence FOX and Clear Channel (They have the power to do it), with a politcal party trying to shut up a media viewpoint?
Lavitakus wrote:
Ok, so because I present an example of someone else complaining about the corporate tactics abused by the gop to silence msnbc, you get a free pass to call it plagiarism? Does that mean that because more than one person wants to see something other than fox, it's plagiarism? I don't think so. Thats called corporate socialism, pal. GOP style.
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dover-diva wrote: Mendabee read another book May I recommend as a beginning primar for the emancipation of all the Communist Manifesto? The writings of Karl Marxk and N. Lenin are an enlightenment. The problem is that no one really reads it and accepts the right wing sound bits. Even those in our own government have been enlightened, prople like Senior WH Adviser Valerie Jarrett and Communications Director Anita Dunn, who, btw, have eloquted the praises of Chairman Mao Ze Tung. Come aboard the bandwagon and be a part of the new enterprise for America. I welcome you with open heart.
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Lavitakus wrote: Mendavor wrote: Lavitakus wrote: FTW wrote: Typical liberal logic.
No. What I "plagiarized" as you call it is a FACT. There is a GOP operative deciding who gets to see what "news" or "opinions" as some refer to themselves as.
That's not liberal logic, it's a simple observation of political and business corruption. Again, corporate socialism provided by the GOP and it's partners. Conservative style.
Refute it.
This is all basic wasteful conversation. The GOP controls nothing and what little they may think they control will soon be lost forever. Socialism is our vision for America's future. It is a vision we are winning more and more people to because it is logical - really a great - replacement for capitalism. And because it is the next inevitable step up the ladder of human civilization.
It's not redundant at all. Why can't the conservative right, admit their hypocricy?
They will spend all day calling everyone and everything socialist based on what granny said about the reds, as if they have a clue what it is, yet they socialize the economy and their own bottom line every day .
Sure, attack the socialism but at the same time, try to make it work for them. Corporate practice of socialism is fine but nothing else?
Republicans, conservatives, independents and others make it (Socialism) work for us by the very nature of their support for Capitalism and it's attendent evils, mainy the surpression of the masses. We believe and advocate that a socialist society in our country will guarantee all the liberties defined in the Bill of Rights but never fully realized. These include the right of people to express themselves fully and freely through organizations of their choice and competing candidates who respect and are guided by the concept of building socialism. Never mind the corporate socialism explanations because most have no clue about what you arte talking about. Advance the basic definitions of Socialism as practiced by the DNC and the Democratic Socialist Caucus. That has meaning one can understand.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2009 12:07 am |
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Lavitakus wrote:Ok, so because I present an example of someone else complaining about the corporate tactics abused by the gop to silence msnbc, you get a free pass to call it plagiarism?
Free pass me a$$. It is what it is. It does not matter if the plagiarized material is truthful or not, Plagiarism is plagiarism.
Here is the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary's description of Plagiarize.
Main Entry: pla·gia·rize Pronunciation: \ˈplā-jə-ˌrīz also -jē-ə-\ Function: verb Inflected Form(s): pla·gia·rized; pla·gia·riz·ing Etymology: plagiary Date: 1716
transitive verb : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive verb : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source — pla·gia·riz·er noun
Notice how I quoted the source, this is not plagiarism.
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Mendavor wrote: Lavitakus wrote: FTW wrote: Typical liberal logic.
No. What I "plagiarized" as you call it is a FACT. There is a GOP operative deciding who gets to see what "news" or "opinions" as some refer to themselves as.
That's not liberal logic, it's a simple observation of political and business corruption. Again, corporate socialism provided by the GOP and it's partners. Conservative style.
Refute it.
This is all basic wasteful conversation. The GOP controls nothing and what little they may think they control will soon be lost forever. Socialism is our vision for America's future. It is a vision we are winning more and more people to because it is logical - really a great - replacement for capitalism. And because it is the next inevitable step up the ladder of human civilization.
It's not redundant at all. Why can't the conservative right, admit their hypocricy?
They will spend all day calling everyone and everything socialist based on what granny said about the reds, as if they have a clue what it is, yet they socialize the economy and their own bottom line every day .
Sure, attack the socialism but at the same time, try to make it work for them. Corporate practice of socialism is fine but nothing else?
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 11:37 pm |
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Lavitakus wrote: FTW wrote: Typical liberal logic.
No. What I "plagiarized" as you call it is a FACT. There is a GOP operative deciding who gets to see what "news" or "opinions" as some refer to themselves as.
That's not liberal logic, it's a simple observation of political and business corruption. Again, corporate socialism provided by the GOP and it's partners. Conservative style.
Refute it.
This is all basic wasteful conversation. The GOP controls nothing and what little they may think they control will soon be lost forever. Socialism is our vision for America's future. It is a vision we are winning more and more people to because it is logical - really a great - replacement for capitalism. And because it is the next inevitable step up the ladder of human civilization.
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FTW wrote: Typical liberal logic.
No. What I "plagiarized" as you call it is a FACT. There is a GOP operative deciding who gets to see what "news" or "opinions" as some refer to themselves as.
That's not liberal logic, it's a simple observation of political and business corruption. Again, corporate socialism provided by the GOP and it's partners. Conservative style.
Refute it.
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FTW wrote: Lavitakus wrote: So. What's YOU'RE point? I can copy and past anything I wan't. AND, I can add to it If I like. Have you seen some of the fodder that gets spread around here by doing the very same thing? At least I pasted a fact. A pretty intriguing one too considering Fox's beef with The President.
The simple fact IS that the gop is practicing corporate socialism. Another fact is that you would be far pressed to find much of anything around here that I have posted that isn't of my own opinion. I'm not one to go reading or posting links or pastes unless the situation calls for it.
Typical liberal logic. Plagiarism is OK as long as it serves your purpose. So, you have something in common with our VP. He must be a little upset. He did not run his post through spell check.
Ok, so because I present an example of someone else complaining about the corporate tactics abused by the gop to silence msnbc, you get a free pass to call it plagiarism? Does that mean that because more than one person wants to see something other than fox, it's plagiarism? I don't think so. Thats called corporate socialism, pal. GOP style.
Now. Why can't I watch msnbc when I'm away at a seasonal home that only gets basic cable?
What about the poor who can't afford to pay the extra bucks? Why does the gop operative making that decision on behalf of comcast have the ability to further the ideology of the party that she represented for years as well as it's presidential candidate that we STILL see spewing his rhetoric to people who cannot afford other alternatives...such asconveniently purchased higher teir cable. Sounds like the ratings are set up for somebody if you ask me. Sounds to me like people are selling something similar to free speech but silencing others for a profit.
Pliarism my ass, junior. This is corruption and lobbyism at it's worst in the name of corporate socialism and a gop agenda in return for the favor.
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Legends457 wrote: Maybe some of you need to start up a new board for your FOX News Cult? Some place where you can "wallow" in your "poop". You just can't seem to handle the "Truth" when it comes to the real facts. You cry foul every time when others expose your agenda for what it is and now FOX will pay a price in the end. The majority of the country is laughing at your sorry asses. The "fair and balanced" garbage is so laughable, it just makes a lot of people want to vomit. Enjoy your NOISE today and make sure you praise Murdock. LOL................
Keep drinking that "tea".... Better yet go talk to your Drugster Rush Limbaugh.... Might be what you all need..... LOL....
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/networks/foxnews/foxnews.html
TROLL.
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Maybe some of you need to start up a new board for your FOX News Cult? Some place where you can "wallow" in your "poop". You just can't seem to handle the "Truth" when it comes to the real facts. You cry foul every time when others expose your agenda for what it is and now FOX will pay a price in the end. The majority of the country is laughing at your sorry asses. The "fair and balanced" garbage is so laughable, it just makes a lot of people want to vomit. Enjoy your NOISE today and make sure you praise Murdock. LOL................
Keep drinking that "tea".... Better yet go talk to your Drugster Rush Limbaugh.... Might be what you all need..... LOL....
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/networks/foxnews/foxnews.html
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Pay Attention wrote: Legends457 wrote: Playing the Game wrote: I see the Headline now "Legends 457 Meets Farenheit 451".
Hey what's wrong with that? LOL..... At least I'm not one your FOX Cult members drinking TEA.
WHAT DO YOU DRINK?!? WHAT EVER IT IS, YOU BETTER QUIT, IT'S DESTROYING YOUR MIND!!!!
destroying or destroyed????
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Legends457 wrote: Playing the Game wrote: I see the Headline now "Legends 457 Meets Farenheit 451".
Hey what's wrong with that? LOL..... At least I'm not one your FOX Cult members drinking TEA.
WHAT DO YOU DRINK?!? WHAT EVER IT IS, YOU BETTER QUIT, IT'S DESTROYING YOUR MIND!!!!
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Lavitakus wrote: So. What's YOU'RE point? I can copy and past anything I wan't. AND, I can add to it If I like. Have you seen some of the fodder that gets spread around here by doing the very same thing? At least I pasted a fact. A pretty intriguing one too considering Fox's beef with The President.
The simple fact IS that the gop is practicing corporate socialism. Another fact is that you would be far pressed to find much of anything around here that I have posted that isn't of my own opinion. I'm not one to go reading or posting links or pastes unless the situation calls for it.
Typical liberal logic. Plagiarism is OK as long as it serves your purpose. So, you have something in common with our VP. He must be a little upset. He did not run his post through spell check.
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Playing the Game wrote: I see the Headline now "Legends 457 Meets Farenheit 451".
Hey what's wrong with that? LOL..... At least I'm not one your FOX Cult members drinking TEA.
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So. What's YOU'RE point? I can copy and past anything I wan't. AND, I can add to it If I like. Have you seen some of the fodder that gets spread around here by doing the very same thing? At least I pasted a fact. A pretty intriguing one too considering Fox's beef with The President.
The simple fact IS that the gop is practicing corporate socialism. Another fact is that you would be far pressed to find much of anything around here that I have posted that isn't of my own opinion. I'm not one to go reading or posting links or pastes unless the situation calls for it.
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Lavitakus wrote: Shawn Feddeman a Former GOP Operative
Shawn Feddeman served as Governor Mitt Romney’s Press Secretary prior to working for Comcast. Obviously she is a Republican who was at one time actively involved in politics, working for a future Republican presidential candidate. It just doesn’t pass the sniff test that there were no political motivations in this decision. Her credentials alone indicate that certainly politics played a role in this decision to move MSNBC off basic cable.
Guess if you can't pony up to comcasts bottom line then you have to settle for the trademarked version of fair and balanced, huh?
So much for those ratings everyone rants about. Tell me that's not rigged up to suit someone. How do they poll those ratings, again?
Found this over at Monkyinmymind.com from August of last year. Look familiar?
Shawn Feddeman served as Governor Mitt Romney’s Press Secretary prior to working for Comcast. Obviously she is a Republican who was at one time actively involved in politics, working for a future Republican presidential candidate. It just doesn’t pass the sniff test that there were no political motivations in this decision. Her credentials alone indicate that certainly politics played a role in this decision to move MSNBC off basic cable.
It's all good though. You can take credit for writing the last two paragraphs of your post.
http://monkeyinmymind.com/2008/08/05/gop-plot-comcast-pulls-msnbc-from-standard-cable-in-boston-area/
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FTW wrote:
Best that I can make out from Comcast's web site basic cable is now limited cable. I could be wrong. On limited cable Fox News and CNN are also absent. So....what's your point?
When I go down to my condo where I only keep basic cable, I don't get MSNBC. I DO get CNN and Fox. It's still basic cable.
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She is a spokesperson. Do spokespersons make operational decisions?
She was a spokesperson for Romney and apparently, the comcast deal was part of the gop operational decisions. Again, one only has to follow the money trail. How much stock does she own, I wonder?
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Lavitakus wrote: Shawn Feddeman a Former GOP Operative
Her credentials alone indicate that certainly politics played a role in this decision to move MSNBC off basic cable.
Best that I can make out from Comcast's web site basic cable is now limited cable. I could be wrong. On limited cable Fox News and CNN are also absent. So....what's your point?
She is a spokesperson. Do spokespersons make operational decisions?
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| I see the Headline now "Legends 457 Meets Farenheit 451".
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Legends457 wrote: They all were part of the FOX Cult no matter how you look at it and it's just some voo doo going forward. The stage has been set for FOX and Rush Limbaugh. Just a matter of time and they will be held accountable.
Held accountable for what? Disagreeing with you? Or with the Administration?
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Shawn Feddeman a Former GOP Operative
Former Romney Spokeswoman Feddeman
Shawn Feddeman served as Governor Mitt Romney’s Press Secretary prior to working for Comcast. Obviously she is a Republican who was at one time actively involved in politics, working for a future Republican presidential candidate. It just doesn’t pass the sniff test that there were no political motivations in this decision. Her credentials alone indicate that certainly politics played a role in this decision to move MSNBC off basic cable.
Guess if you can't pony up to comcasts bottom line then you have to settle for the trademarked version of fair and balanced, huh?
So much for those ratings everyone rants about. Tell me that's not rigged up to suit someone. How do they poll those ratings, again?
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| They all were part of the FOX Cult no matter how you look at it and it's just some voo doo going forward. The stage has been set for FOX and Rush Limbaugh. Just a matter of time and they will be held accountable.
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I am sure that you all want to keep this "fair and balanced" so here is something for you to ponder.
The following is from this website:
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125437,00.html\]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125437,00.html\[/url]
In the film "Outfoxed," four people are identified as former employees of FOX News. FOX News officials, saying their employment history was misrepresented, issued the following clarification:
• Alexander Kippen is referred to as a "former FOX News producer" when in fact he was never employed by FOX News Channel. He was an employee of WTTG-TV, a FOX affiliate** in Washington, DC.
• Frank O'Donnell is referred to as a "FOX News producer" in film materials, which is factually incorrect. O’Donnell worked for FOX affiliate WTTG** from 1984 — 1991 and was never a FOX News Channel employee.
• Jon Du Pre was hired in 1999 as a reporter for FNC’s Los Angeles bureau, not an anchor as the film material states. His contract was not renewed in 2002 because, as his personnel file states, he was considered to be a weak field correspondent and could not do live shots. At the time his contract was not renewed, Du Pre was applying for an anchor position on FOX News Channel.
• Clara Frenk was a pool booker, not a "producer" in the FOX News Channel Washington, D.C., bureau. She worked at FNC from February 1998 until March 1999 and expressed no concern about the editorial process while she was employed here.
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| How did you get him to pose?
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Legends457 wrote: FOX Noise classic crap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqdtZlec0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXJIV4f4ZQ0&feature=related
SAD AS IT IS THE LIES CONTINUE AND THE "CULT" KEEPS DRINKING THE TEA.
WARNING!!!! DNFTT
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Legends457 wrote: FOX Noise classic crap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqdtZlec0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXJIV4f4ZQ0&feature=related
SAD AS IT IS THE LIES CONTINUE AND THE "CULT" KEEPS DRINKING THE TEA.
more clap trap from you 457, you forgot the 6. the examples were very good showing how to stop a liberal liar filibustering. you seem to feel a liberal lie told often enough is the truth. get a new mantra.
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FOX Noise classic crap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqdtZlec0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXJIV4f4ZQ0&feature=related
SAD AS IT IS THE LIES CONTINUE AND THE "CULT" KEEPS DRINKING THE TEA.
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 01:55 pm |
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Yeah right...... Enough said.... More FOX Noise crap.... FOX TROLL station gets caught over and over again..... NOISE at it's best..... LOL
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/?p=36370
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Legends457 wrote: Cheney was a "chicken hawk" devoted Republican who would rather send others off to war so he can get off on his "power" to do it. He can't accept the fact he screwed up and as far as I'm concerned is responsible for all the many deaths of our men and women who served this country for his LIES and FEAR MONGER AGENDA based on his STUPIDITY.
This is nothing more than an angry rant from a person who obviously has a twisted way of looking at the world and lashes out any anyone who would disagree with him. His extreme points of view as demonstrated in his many posts can only be described as delusional. I enjoy a spirited discussion on a range of topics with people who agree and disagree with my opinions but this guy is getting boring. This is how Wikipedia defines the term troll:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]
So what do you think. Is he really that far out there or is he just a troll?
I report - you decide.
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The FOX Noise Village Idiot at his best..... What can you say about the FOX Court Jester.......
http://foxattacks.com/kids/
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CaptainObvious wrote: FTW wrote: Legends457 wrote:and if Biden would have gotten called he would have served.
Oh really, Here is an article from the Washington Times right after Biden was chosen to run for VP.
DOVER, Del. (AP) Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.
“As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager,” said David Wade, a campaign spokesman.
In “Promises to Keep,” a memoir that was published last year and became an instant best-seller after he was tapped as Mr. Obama's running mate, Mr. Biden never mentions his asthma, recounting an active childhood, work as a lifeguard and football exploits in high school.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/01/bidens-draft-deferments-equal-cheneys-during-vietn/
His asthma did not keep him from being a life guard. His asthma did not keep him from playing football in high school. Then all of a sudden, this illness he failed to mention in his memoir keeps him out of the service. Hmmmmm. Darn this new fangled internet thingy. It does let the lefties hide from the truth.
Uh, I'm not a big fan of foot-in-the-mouth Biden, but... You can be an athlete with asthma. If you get an attack, you can take stuff to deal with it.
It would be kinda tough in the middle of a firefight to say, hey Mr. Enemy soldier, I need a time out, I need to take my inhaler. Gee, does the US military include albuterol in every field kit?
Asthma is a legal deferment with the military if that was his case. End of discussion. Cheney was a "chicken hawk" devoted Republican who would rather send others off to war so he can get off on his "power" to do it. He can't accept the fact he screwed up and as far as I'm concerned is responsible for all the many deaths of our men and women who served this country for his LIES and FEAR MONGER AGENDA based on his STUPIDITY.
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 11:26 am |
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FOX NOISE is crying foul. LOL. Who cares. Obama said he's not going to lose any sleep over it and that is "cool". If FOX had a clue about being "news" oriented then maybe somebody would care. Glen Beck and his never ending FOX BS was the final straw, so they need to be held accountable. "Ya" crossed the line FOX. Insanity just don't cut it in todays world.
It's just a "cult" of people who like the conservative evangelical church goers proved have to have somebody to lean on to appease their inability to sort out the truth from the news of the day. Remember Jim Jones and his "kool-aid" party? Oh yeah and now we have the "tea party" buffoons. LOL. So you have to ask yourself what's going on with this "cult" of FOX followers who just can't deal in "reality". Lets see I bet PTG, Diva, ltcdophin, FTW, and the rest of these "cult" worshipers have drank the "Fox Tea" big-time. Say ten Hail Mary's and take the weekend off for good behavior. Eighty percent of the country thinks your NUTS.
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FTW wrote: Legends457 wrote:and if Biden would have gotten called he would have served.
Oh really, Here is an article from the Washington Times right after Biden was chosen to run for VP.
DOVER, Del. (AP) Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.
“As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager,” said David Wade, a campaign spokesman.
In “Promises to Keep,” a memoir that was published last year and became an instant best-seller after he was tapped as Mr. Obama's running mate, Mr. Biden never mentions his asthma, recounting an active childhood, work as a lifeguard and football exploits in high school.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/01/bidens-draft-deferments-equal-cheneys-during-vietn/
His asthma did not keep him from being a life guard. His asthma did not keep him from playing football in high school. Then all of a sudden, this illness he failed to mention in his memoir keeps him out of the service. Hmmmmm. Darn this new fangled internet thingy. It does let the lefties hide from the truth.
Uh, I'm not a big fan of foot-in-the-mouth Biden, but... You can be an athlete with asthma. If you get an attack, you can take stuff to deal with it.
It would be kinda tough in the middle of a firefight to say, hey Mr. Enemy soldier, I need a time out, I need to take my inhaler. Gee, does the US military include albuterol in every field kit?
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Legends457 wrote:and if Biden would have gotten called he would have served.
Oh really, Here is an article from the Washington Times right after Biden was chosen to run for VP.
DOVER, Del. (AP) Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.
“As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager,” said David Wade, a campaign spokesman.
In “Promises to Keep,” a memoir that was published last year and became an instant best-seller after he was tapped as Mr. Obama's running mate, Mr. Biden never mentions his asthma, recounting an active childhood, work as a lifeguard and football exploits in high school.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/01/bidens-draft-deferments-equal-cheneys-during-vietn/
His asthma did not keep him from being a life guard. His asthma did not keep him from playing football in high school. Then all of a sudden, this illness he failed to mention in his memoir keeps him out of the service. Hmmmmm. Darn this new fangled internet thingy. It does let the lefties hide from the truth.
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YOU and no-one else owes this a**hole any explanation. Since CO NEVER served and probably would not consider it. (But -he supports the troops, gag me) A 45 year old "dude" who probably would not put himself in any kind of uniform-except maybe Burger King.
754 NOBODY was talking to you. J/A
Playing the Game wrote:
Obama had a choice and he chose to keep his hands clean. That makes him no different from Vice-President Cheyny. I think He made it up sufficiently with his service to our country in various offices over several administrations.
I have carried a medical deferment due to congenital knee problems since 1970. I limp and couldn't carry weight or crawl. I went to University in Canada on an academic scholarship before returning to the US to finish my education. Not that it is any of your business. Excuse me if I tell you go s c re w yourself.
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Playing the Game wrote: Biden got himself a deferment and Obama was ripe for service in the Gulf war. Nice try.
Your point? Obama had a choice. Bottom-line Cheney is a Chicken Hawk. By the way did you serve? I think you went to Canada right?
http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/19/news/economy/Bartlett_Reaganomics.moneymag/index.htm?postversion=2009101905
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| Typical Republican jibber from PTG, Diva and ltcdophin . No substance and basically stupid. Gee you must be watching your bible channel FOX Noise so enjoy your weekend. FOX is in the HOT SEAT again. Guess it's a talk show or something like that...... LOL.....
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Obama had a choice and he chose to keep his hands clean. That makes him no different from Vice-President Cheyny. I think He made it up sufficiently with his service to our country in various offices over several administrations.
I have carried a medical deferment due to congenital knee problems since 1970. I limp and couldn't carry weight or crawl. I went to University in Canada on an academic scholarship before returning to the US to finish my education. Not that it is any of your business. Excuse me if I tell you go s c re w yourself.
Legends457 wrote:
Playing the Game wrote: Biden got himself a deferment and Obama was ripe for service in the Gulf war. Nice try.
Your point? Obama had a choice. Bottom-line Cheney is a Chicken Hawk. By the way did you serve? I think you went to Canada right?
http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/19/news/economy/Bartlett_Reaganomics.moneymag/index.htm?postversion=2009101905
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ltcdolphin wrote: Legends457 wrote: dover-diva wrote: Here's a reality for you (shortterm-non legendary)
Graph of the Day for October 23, 2009 - http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/graph_of_the_day_for_october_2_4.html
American Thinker
Diva you never cease to amaze me. What the hell to you expect from a conservative web site with an agenda to do what it does best when it comes to liberals? Get real and give me real facts. VOO DOO graphs don't cut it. You sound like Reagan the master of VOO DOO......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Thinker
been awhile but the same ole blather from you 457. those graphs are not am graphes, they are from a source you love. when they made the name american thinker they obliviously took you as a non example.
754 You never cease to AMAZE ME!! The American Thinker did NOT make the chart. The bureau of labor statistics did. Ameican Thinker Has nothing whatsoever to do with the stats. And you believe wiki??? Hahahahahahahahahah
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Wow. You guys really like to harp on Cheney's deferments or Bush allegedly not reporting for his last weekend or whatever. Let us reminisce about the true definition of a draft Dodge, Bill Clinton.
Sorry for the long post but some people will only see what is made painfully clear
Transcribed from the Congressional Record--House, July 30, 1993, p. H5550.
(Link for Congressional Record, 1993, page H5550)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r103:221:./temp/~r103KSLsBe:e1808:
Text of Bill Clinton's Letter to ROTC Colonel
I am sorry to be so long in writing. I know I promised to let you hear from me at least once a month, and from now on you will, but I have had to have some time to think about this first letter. Almost daily since my return to England I have thought about writing, about what I want to and ought to say.
First, I want to thank you, not just for saving me from the draft, but for being so kind and decent to me last summer, when I was as low as I have ever been. One thing which made the bond we struck in good faith somewhat palatable to me was my high regard for you personally. In retrospect, it seems that the admiration might not have been mutual had you known a little more about me, about my political beliefs and activities. At least you might have thought me more fit for the draft than for ROTC.
Let me try to explain. As you know, I worked for two years in a very minor position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I did it for the experience and the salary but also for the opportunity, however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and despised with a depth of feeling I had reserved solely for racism in America before Vietnam. I did not take the matter lightly but studied it carefully, and there was a time when not many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did.
I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations Oct. 15 and Nov. 16.
Interlock with the war is the draft issue, which I did not begin to consider separately until early 1968. For a law seminar at Georgetown I wrote a paper on the legal arguments for and against allowing, within the Selective Service System, the classification of selective conscientious objection for those opposed to participation in a particular war, not simply to "participation in war in any form."
From my work I came to believe that the draft system itself is illegitimate. No government really rooted in limited, parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war which even possibly may be wrong, a war which, in any case, does not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation.
The draft was justified in World War II because the life of the people collectively was at stake. Individuals had to fight, if the nation was to survive, for the lives of their countrymen and their way of life. Vietnam is no such case. Nor was Korea an example where, in my opinion, certain military action was justified but the draft was not, for the reasons stated above.
Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill and maybe die for their country (i.e. the particular policy of a particular government) right or wrong. Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a letter which I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister who is possibly under indictment and may never be able to go home again. He is one of the bravest, best men I know. His country needs men like him more than they know. That he is considered a criminal is an obscenity.
The decision not to be a resister and the related subsequent decisions were the most difficult of my life. I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason: to maintain my political viability within the system. For years I have worked to prepare myself for a political life characterized by both practical political ability and concern for rapid social progress. It is a life I still feel compelled to try to lead. I do not think our system of government is by definition corrupt, however dangerous and inadequate it has been in recent years. (The society may be corrupt, but that is not the same thing, and if that is true, we are all finished anyway.)
When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been fighting against, and that is why I contacted you. ROTC was the one way left in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and resistance. Going on with my education, even coming back to England, played no part in my decision to join ROTC. I am back here, and would have been at Arkansas Law School because there is nothing else I can do. In fact, I would like to have been able to take a year out perhaps to teach in a small college or work on some community action project and in the process to decide whether to attend law school or graduate school and how to begin putting what I have learned to use.
But the particulars of my personal life are not nearly as important to me as the principles involved. After I signed the ROTC letter of intent, I began to wonder whether the compromise I had made with myself was not more objectionable than the draft would have been, because I had no interest in the ROTC program in itself and all I seemed to have done was to protect myself from physical harm. Also, I began to think I had deceived you, not by lies--there were none--but by failing to tell you all the things I'm writing now. I doubt that I had the mental coherence to articulate them then.
At that time, after we had made our agreement and you had sent my 1-D deferment to my draft board, the anguish and loss of my self-regard and self-confidence really set in. I hardly slept for weeks and kept going by eating compulsively and reading until exhaustion brought sleep. Finally, on Sept. 12 I stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft board, saying basically what is in the preceding paragraph, thanking him for trying to help in a case where he really couldn't, and stating that I couldn't do the ROTC after all and would he please draft me as soon as possible.
I never mailed the letter, but I did carry it on me every day until I got on the plane to return to England. I didn't mail the letter because I didn't see, in the end, how my going in the Army and maybe going to Vietnam would achieve anything except a feeling that I had punished myself and gotten what I deserved. So I came back to England to try to make something of this second year of my Rhodes scholarship.
And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.
Forgive the length of this letter. There was much to say. There is still a lot to be said, but it can wait. Please say hello to Col. Jones for me.
Merry Christmas.
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton
Memorandum for Record by Colonel Eugene J. Holmes
September 7, 1992
Memorandum for Record
Subject: Bill Clinton and the University of Arkansas ROTC Program
There have been many unanswered questions as to the circumstances surrounding Bill Clinton's involvement with the ROTC department at the University of Arkansas. Prior to this time I have not felt the necessity for discussing the details. The reason I have not done so before is that my poor physical health (a consequence of participation in the Bataan Death March and the subsequent 3 1/2 years internment in Japanese POW camps) has precluded me from getting into what I felt was unnecessary involvement. However, present polls show that there is the imminent danger to our country of a draft dodger becoming the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. While it is true, as Mr. Clinton has stated, that there were many others who avoided serving their country in the Vietnam war, they are not aspiring to be the President of the United States.
The tremendous implications of the possibility of his becoming Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces compels me now to comment on the facts concerning Mr. Clinton's evasion of the draft.
This account would not have been imperative had Bill Clinton been completely honest with the American public concerning this matter. But as Mr. Clinton replied on a news conference this evening (September 5, 1992) after being asked another particular about his dodging the draft, "Almost everyone concerned with these incidents are dead. I have no more comments to make." Since I may be the only person living who can give a first hand account of what actually transpired, I am obligated by my love for my country and my sense of duty to divulge what actually happened and make it a matter of record.
Bill Clinton came to see me at my home in 1969 to discuss his desire to enroll in the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas. We engaged in an extensive, approximately two (2) hour interview. At no time during this long conversation about his desire to join the program did he inform me of his involvement, participation and actually organizing protests against the United States involvement in South East Asia. He was shrewd enough to realize that had I been aware of his activities, he would not have been accepted into the ROTC program as a potential officer in the United States Army.
The next day I began to receive phone calls regarding Bill Clinton's draft status. I was informed by the draft board that it was of interest to Senator Fullbright's office that Bill Clinton, a Rhodes Scholar, should be admitted to the ROTC program. I received several such calls. The general message conveyed by the draft board to me was that Senator Fullbright's office was putting pressure on them and that they needed my help. I then made the necessary arrangements to enroll Mr. Clinton into the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas.
I was not "saving" him from serving his country, as he erroneously thanked me for in his letter from England (dated December 3, 1969). I was making it possible for a Rhodes Scholar to serve in the military as an officer.
In retrospect I see that Mr. Clinton had no intention of following through with his agreement to join the Army ROTC program at the University of Arkansas or to attend the University of Arkansas Law School. I had explained to him the necessity of enrolling at the University of Arkansas as a student in order to be eligible to take the ROTC program at the University. He never enrolled at the University of Arkansas, but instead enrolled at Yale after attending Oxford. I believe that he purposely deceived me, using the possibility of joining the ROTC as a ploy to work with the draft board to delay his induction and get a new draft classification.
The December 3rd letter written to me by Mr. Clinton, and subsequently taken from the files by Lt. Col. Clint Jones, my executive officer, was placed into the ROTC files so that a record would be available in case the applicant should again petition to enter into the ROTC program. The information in that letter alone would have restricted Bill Clinton from ever qualifying to be an officer in the United States Military. Even more significant was his lack of veracity in purposefully defrauding the military by deceiving me, both in concealing his anti-military activities overseas and his counterfeit intentions for later military service. These actions cause me to question both his patriotism and his integrity.
When I consider the calibre, the bravery, and the patriotism of the fine young soldiers whose deaths I have witnessed, and others whose funerals I have attended * * *. When I reflect on not only the willingness but eagerness that so many of them displayed in their earnest desire to defend and serve their country, it is untenable and incomprehensible to me that a man who was not merely unwilling to serve his country, but actually protested against its military, should ever be in the position of Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces.
I write this declaration not only for the living and future generations, but for those who fought and died for our country. If space and time permitted I would include the names of the ones I knew and fought with, and along with them I would mention my brother Bob, who was killed during World War II and is buried in Cambridge, England (at the age of 23, about the age Bill Clinton was when he was over in England protesting the war).
I have agonized over whether or not to submit this statement to the American people. But, I realize that even though I served my country by being in the military for over 32 years, and having gone through the ordeal of months of combat under the worst of conditions followed by years of imprisonment by the Japanese, it is not enough. I'm writing these comments to let everyone know that I love my country more than I do my own personal security and well-being. I will go to my grave loving these United States of America and the liberty for which so many men have fought and died.
Because of my poor physical condition this will be my final statement. I will make no further comments to any of the media regarding this issue.
Eugene J. Holmes,
Colonel, U.S.A., Ret.
State of Arkansas,
County of Washington,
Barbara J. Powers,
Notary Public,
My commission expires--12/1/93
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Legends457 wrote: dover-diva wrote: Here's a reality for you (shortterm-non legendary)
Graph of the Day for October 23, 2009 - http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/graph_of_the_day_for_october_2_4.html
American Thinker
Diva you never cease to amaze me. What the hell to you expect from a conservative web site with an agenda to do what it does best when it comes to liberals? Get real and give me real facts. VOO DOO graphs don't cut it. You sound like Reagan the master of VOO DOO......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Thinker
been awhile but the same ole blather from you 457. those graphs are not am graphes, they are from a source you love. when they made the name american thinker they obliviously took you as a non example.
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dover-diva wrote: Here's a reality for you (shortterm-non legendary)
Graph of the Day for October 23, 2009 - http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/graph_of_the_day_for_october_2_4.html
American Thinker
Diva you never cease to amaze me. What the hell to you expect from a conservative web site with an agenda to do what it does best when it comes to liberals? Get real and give me real facts. VOO DOO graphs don't cut it. You sound like Reagan the master of VOO DOO......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Thinker
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Here's a reality for you (shortterm-non legendary)
Graph of the Day for October 23, 2009 - http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/graph_of_the_day_for_october_2_4.html
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Playing the Game wrote: Biden got himself a deferment and Obama was ripe for service in the Gulf war. Nice try.
Your point? Obama had a choice. Bottom-line Cheney is a Chicken Hawk. By the way did you serve? I think you went to Canada right?
http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/19/news/economy/Bartlett_Reaganomics.moneymag/index.htm?postversion=2009101905
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| Biden got himself a deferment and Obama was ripe for service in the Gulf war. Nice try.
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