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Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 12:58 pm |
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| Biden got himself a deferment and Obama was ripe for service in the Gulf war. Nice try.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 12:52 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: I forget which branch of service Obama and Biden served in. Remind me if you would please.
Well I really think the Vietnam war was before OBAMA and if Biden would have gotten called he would have served. Your Chicken Hawks avoided the "draft". So theirs no defense when it comes to the draft dodger aka Dick Cheney. Nice try anyway.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 12:46 pm |
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| I forget which branch of service Obama and Biden served in. Remind me if you would please.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 09:25 am |
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Cute post about your coffee adventure but again you offer no real substance to the board. Why don't you invite your Chicken Hawk buddy Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz to go along with you? *S* Maybe you guys can have a real happy time telling war stories. Ooooops..... Dicky boy never served in the military.... Republican Chicken Hawk.... Forgot.... Five deferments.... LOL..
It amazing how dumb Republicans are when it comes to logic and common sense. I'm still waiting for someone to accept responsibility for these deaths related to this senseless war you started for no reason at all. The eight years of Bush driving our economy into almost bankruptcy. Considering George Bush was a failure all his life you guys put him in the White House after stealing the election with the Ohio voodoo voting.
By the way theirs going to be a Health Care bill with a ROBUST PUBLIC OPTION by years end. Obama signed a bill helping VETS clean up the Veterans Administration which Republicans seemed to put off for years. He's putting Wall Street on ALERT for it's no rules and regulations which goes back to the days when your Messiah Ron Reagan sold out rules and regulations letting Wall Street Banks to do whatever they wanted to do. Insurance companies can forget their anti-trust exemptions. LOL...
Obama has to FIX your SCREW UPS over the last three decades plus clean up George W. Bush's MESS. It's not an easy when you have to start from scratch rebuilding all the damage done.
You guys did a good job ruining this country economically plus lowering our standing in the global order. I bet your proud of all your accomplishments and your 20 percent approval rating across the country. FOX Republican agenda at it's best...... LOL.....
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Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 11:33 pm |
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CaptainObvious wrote:lol-- stereotype and generalize much?
Naw, but I am getting better. I am impressed. You jumped on this one quick. You got me between the time I posted and the time I went right back in and put an "a" before Barney Frank. Take a look, you will see what I mean.
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Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 11:10 pm |
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Don’t have time for Beck tonight. Me and my life partner are going to slip on over to Starbucks for a Kopi Luwak cappuccino while we lament the demise of the Frigga’s Fritillary’s natural habitat and wonder why Melissa Etheredge is not more popular. Tomorrow is not too good either. We got the Obama Praise-a-thon at the kid's school followed by Barney Frank fund raiser down at the “Y”. Maybe I can catch Beck next week.
lol-- stereotype and generalize much?
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Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 11:08 pm |
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Legends457 wrote: Typical Republican response. Failures are really hard to accept when you get booted out of office for your inability to do your job. Sad as it is your party of No and Nothing is DOA. You have to realize the mess you created and accept responsibility for it. You will never concede FAILURE and if you keep watching FOX Noise you will probably end up in a NUT HOUSE. Enjoy your night and make sure you watch Glen Beck. LOL...
Don’t have time for Beck tonight. Me and my life partner are going to slip on over to Starbucks for a Kopi Luwak cappuccino while we lament the demise of the Frigga’s Fritillary’s natural habitat and wonder why Melissa Etheredge is not more popular. Tomorrow is not too good either. We got the Obama Praise-a-thon at the kid's school followed by a Barney Frank fund raiser down at the “Y”. Maybe I can catch Beck next week.
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Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 09:31 pm |
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| Typical Republican response. Failures are really hard to accept when you get booted out of office for your inability to do your job. Sad as it is your party of No and Nothing is DOA. You have to realize the mess you created and accept responsibility for it. You will never concede FAILURE and if you keep watching FOX Noise you will probably end up in a NUT HOUSE. Enjoy your night and make sure you watch Glen Beck. LOL...
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Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 05:58 pm |
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Legends457 wrote: Well I have to wonder why YOU fear mongers think you need to take all the credit but we'll give you a few points for spending money on defense like a drunken sailor during the 1980's. Do you want to talk about the Republicans selling out America when it comes to manufacturing? Busting union labor and crushing the American middle-class to the brink of extinction. Your ability to do NOTHING for your own country still prevails. NOTHING has changed. You started two wars for no reason and doubled our national debt in just eight years. Then you talk about the Dems spending money to FIX your MESS. LOL.. So YOU DID NOTHING.
Looks like someboy for to take his Prozac. 
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Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 05:10 pm |
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| Well I have to wonder why YOU fear mongers think you need to take all the credit but we'll give you a few points for spending money on defense like a drunken sailor during the 1980's. Do you want to talk about the Republicans selling out America when it comes to manufacturing? Busting union labor and crushing the American middle-class to the brink of extinction. Your ability to do NOTHING for your own country still prevails. NOTHING has changed. You started two wars for no reason and doubled our national debt in just eight years. Then you talk about the Dems spending money to FIX your MESS. LOL.. So YOU DID NOTHING.
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Legends457 wrote: You know when you ask someone to tell you what the Republicans have done in the last 29 years, they all seem to run and hide. I've said it over and over that you have done NOTHING. You say it's off topic and it's not. It's the reason we have this enormous DEBT because of all your FAILURES. Your GOD "Reagan" created this mess with his trickle down voodoo pooh-pooh that catered to Wall Street. You screwed the rest of the country thus yielding this financial nightmare before us. DOES FOX NOISE ever get it right? LOL....
You are right. Absolutely nothing. End of the cold war, fall of the Berlin wall, ending communism in all places except China, Cuba and Berkley. Ended the regime of a brutal dictator and allowed millions to vote for the first time. Yeah, pretty much nothing. We did do one thing right 29 years ago. We stopped a second Carter administration. You've got to give us credit for that.
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Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 04:03 pm |
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| You know when you ask someone to tell you what the Republicans have done in the last 29 years, they all seem to run and hide. I've said it over and over that you have done NOTHING. You say it's off topic and it's not. It's the reason we have this enormous DEBT because of all your FAILURES. Your GOD "Reagan" created this mess with his trickle down voodoo pooh-pooh that catered to Wall Street. You screwed the rest of the country thus yielding this financial nightmare before us. DOES FOX NOISE ever get it right? LOL....
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Legends457 wrote: The Republican party has a lot to be proud of and this really puts them on camera for the insanity that prevails among this group of NUTS who stand for NOTHING and VOTE NO. Just think if one of their daughters was raped what the out cry would be or maybe not. I forgot, Republicans have no morals or real values. Dick Cheney and KBR - MASTERs of DECEIT aka Republican Party at it's best.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/21/thirty-sentaors-and-a-rape-case.aspx
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702&page=1
Followed that first link and this is what I found
lobbyists for trial lawyers used the horrific details of the Jones case to stampede legislators into backing an amendement that will guarantee more fat paydays for the legal profession.
This is a tragic case, no one is denying that. Is anybody surprised that Al Franken would use a tragic incident like this to help put more money into the pocket of trial lawyers and lobbyists? Liberals are using smoke and mirrors here. While pretending to care about the victim they are using her rape to further their own agenda. Is that part of the "real values" that you say the republicans don't have?
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The Republican party has a lot to be proud of and this really puts them on camera for the insanity that prevails among this group of NUTS who stand for NOTHING and VOTE NO. Just think if one of their daughters was raped what the out cry would be or maybe not. I forgot, Republicans have no morals or real values. Dick Cheney and KBR - MASTERs of DECEIT aka Republican Party at it's best.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/21/thirty-sentaors-and-a-rape-case.aspx
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702&page=1
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Hartlyboy wrote: Well, at least you recognize that all the news media is feeding us crap. That's why we have to come on blogs like this and get the facts from the informed such as yourself. Testify , oh wise one!
Hb, I don't know that I believe half the fodder I post. If people come here to learn then they are in the wrong place in the scope of things. might opt to brush up on the history books instead.
I'm through with the feud "strategery" going on between Fox news and The President of The United States, really. All it's doing is buying time for 2010. Everyone who knows anything around here is an independent basically and so am I, even if the drones do call me a socialist. As if a fraction of them could even reason with in regard to discussion on it. So is the OPINION of Fox at 2:00, 5:00 and 9:00. Just out of curiosity though, did you click any of those links or bios? Since I'm being fair and fessing up then you can at least be balanced and acknowledge the histories of these "contributors" and "analysts" who are still manipulating free speech on behalf of the corporate person and in the name of conservative "values", I think they refer to them as ? Bought and paid for, by the way. Bought and paid for.
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| Well, at least you recognize that all the news media is feeding us crap. That's why we have to come on blogs like this and get the facts from the informed such as yourself. Testify , oh wise one!
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FTW wrote: Maybe this will help libs understand the right's take on "Fair & Balanced" as it aplies to FSN.
Whats this? Is it "The bull crap scale"? We all know it takes a whole team of "journalists" feeding us a crock to equal that of Fox. You didn't have to draw picture pages.
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CaptainObvious wrote: Lavitakus wrote: Hows this for variety?
Found it amongst my junk mail folder.
So? They're on FOX. There are plenty of other news and opinion "channels".
It is well known that Fox leans right. So what? We need a variety of perspectives and we've had them over the years (look at how long the National Review has been around).
You should note that several of those folks were at other "news" channels like CNN (e.g. Beck, Van Sustren).
At the end of the day protecting free speech means we have to protect speech we don't always agree with or like.
If the Fox brings his knife and his fork to the henhouse then he isn't exactly "leaning" towards chicken. He knows whats being served up. Get real. The network is Fox News not Fox opinion.
If there is to be distinction between the two or compared here then I want to see the usual clarification before the program in eula. In other words, tell the American people that Fox does not support these opinions.
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Legends457 wrote: dover-diva wrote: FTW wrote: Maybe this will help libs understand the right's take on "Fair & Balanced" as it aplies to FSN.
FTW you're wasting good tying skills trying to "talk" to this village idiot. He has been so indoctrinated via the public school system and the dimmoc-rats, that if Obama or all the other so-called "news" channels, said the sky was green- he'd believe it and keep repeating the same crappola over and over. A DRONE.
I did like your "chart". Thanks
Look in the mirror. You must like to use your verbal skills describing yourself?
Gee l457 I thought you were done with this thread?? Just can't keep away. Puerile attitudes ----LOLLast edited on Wed Oct 21st, 2009 06:42 pm by dover-diva
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| I don't really care either or about who spews what on these news platforms. Just passing it along because it was a good way to keep up the hype.
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dover-diva wrote: FTW wrote: Maybe this will help libs understand the right's take on "Fair & Balanced" as it aplies to FSN.
FTW you're wasting good tying skills trying to "talk" to this village idiot. He has been so indoctrinated via the public school system and the dimmoc-rats, that if Obama or all the other so-called "news" channels, said the sky was green- he'd believe it and keep repeating the same crappola over and over. A DRONE.
I did like your "chart". Thanks
Look in the mirror. You must like to use your verbal skills describing yourself? Last edited on Wed Oct 21st, 2009 05:11 pm by Legends457
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Lavitakus wrote: Hows this for variety?
Found it amongst my junk mail folder.
So? They're on FOX. There are plenty of other news and opinion "channels".
It is well known that Fox leans right. So what? We need a variety of perspectives and we've had them over the years (look at how long the National Review has been around).
You should note that several of those folks were at other "news" channels like CNN (e.g. Beck, Van Sustren).
At the end of the day protecting free speech means we have to protect speech we don't always agree with or like.
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FTW wrote: Maybe this will help libs understand the right's take on "Fair & Balanced" as it aplies to FSN.
FTW you're wasting good tying skills trying to "talk" to this village idiot. He has been so indoctrinated via the public school system and the dimmoc-rats, that if Obama or all the other so-called "news" channels, said the sky was green- he'd believe it and keep repeating the same crappola over and over. A DRONE.
I did like your "chart". Thanks
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Cute post If you really look at the numbers when it comes to "fair and balanced" you have to realize the basis of what FOX is telling you when it comes to their viewership. The numbers only represent "what's left of the conservative party" in this country.
FOX has a loyal following with the numbers in their favor but it's amazing how 67 percent of the American people actually don't really care about the inbreeding and fighting going on cable news. FOX is basically a Republican network for a culture of "Haves" which does not want to deal with the "Have Nots". Conservative tradition has prevailed with them doing absolutely NOTHING for anybody except themselves. That's why YOU LOST AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED YOU CLOWNS OUT OF OFFICE.
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Maybe this will help libs understand the right's take on "Fair & Balanced" as it aplies to FSN.
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Let me see wasn't George Stephanopoulis a famous Democrat's Press Secretary? I can name as many in the State Run Media and probably more who are prominent Liberals or Democrats.
Lavitakus wrote:
CaptainObvious wrote: Legends457 wrote: FOX is in the hot seat no matter what some of you think. They've crossed some lines and will be held accountable.
While I'm not crazy about some of Fox's behavior, I have to put the "Freedom of the Press" (i.e. the constitution) ahead of not liking what they say or do--- within reason of course.
If they outright lie, slander or libel somebody that's a different story.
We ultimately want a wide variety of thought and reporting on things.
Hows this for variety?
Found it amongst my junk mail folder.
Roger Ailes – American President of Fox News Channel was a media consultant for Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani. He was also once the executive producer of Rush Limbaugh’s short-lived TV show
Mike Huckabee – Former Republican Governor and Presidential Candidate joined Fox News as a commentator, contributor and host of “Huckabee” on Fox News Channel.
Dana Perino – Former White House Press Secretary, Speech Writer and Assistant to the President, George W. Bush, appears as a political pundit on Fox News.
Karl Rove – Former Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor to George W. Bush is now a Wall Street Journal Contributing Writer as well as a political analyst, contributor and frequent guest on Fox News.
Tony Snow – Chief Speech Writer for George H. W. Bush, then guest host for The Rush Limbaugh Show, then regular personality on Fox News Channel, then hosted Fox News Sunday and Weekend Live, then guest host of The O’Reilly Factor, then on to White House Press Secretary for George W. Bush.
Newt Gingrich – Former Republican Speaker of the House turned Fox News contributor and frequent guest. He also hosts occasional specials on Fox News Channel.
Greta Van Susteren – Host of “On The Record” has personal ties to Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin. She’s married to John Coale, a one time adviser to Sarah Palin. Greta also played host/handler to Todd Palin at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
John Kasich – Former Republican United States Representative, turned Fox News host, guest host for The O’Reilly Factor and frequent guest on Sean Hannity’s show. He is now preparing to run as a Republican Gubernatorial candidate in Ohio’s 2010 election.
Read more: http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/gop-connections/#ixzz0UXc18FV5
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| Lavitakus..... Great post and as we all know we wouldn't be in this financial disaster if the American people woke up years ago. Some on here now claim to be on in the Independent arena because most are ashamed to be called REPUBLICANS. Look at what their accomplishments have been since the Reagan years. NOTHING and just like today's right wingers nothing has changed. Same ole same ole and it's about run it's course with the American people. OBAMA has put them on NOTICE and we are investing in America again and that's what we need. Old Hab and crew can go wallow in their muddle puddle because nobody listens to the party of NO and NADDA anymore. Last edited on Wed Oct 21st, 2009 09:04 am by Legends457
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CaptainObvious wrote: Legends457 wrote: FOX is in the hot seat no matter what some of you think. They've crossed some lines and will be held accountable.
While I'm not crazy about some of Fox's behavior, I have to put the "Freedom of the Press" (i.e. the constitution) ahead of not liking what they say or do--- within reason of course.
If they outright lie, slander or libel somebody that's a different story.
We ultimately want a wide variety of thought and reporting on things.
Hows this for variety?
Found it amongst my junk mail folder.
Roger Ailes – American President of Fox News Channel was a media consultant for Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani. He was also once the executive producer of Rush Limbaugh’s short-lived TV show
Mike Huckabee – Former Republican Governor and Presidential Candidate joined Fox News as a commentator, contributor and host of “Huckabee” on Fox News Channel.
Dana Perino – Former White House Press Secretary, Speech Writer and Assistant to the President, George W. Bush, appears as a political pundit on Fox News.
Karl Rove – Former Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor to George W. Bush is now a Wall Street Journal Contributing Writer as well as a political analyst, contributor and frequent guest on Fox News.
Tony Snow – Chief Speech Writer for George H. W. Bush, then guest host for The Rush Limbaugh Show, then regular personality on Fox News Channel, then hosted Fox News Sunday and Weekend Live, then guest host of The O’Reilly Factor, then on to White House Press Secretary for George W. Bush.
Newt Gingrich – Former Republican Speaker of the House turned Fox News contributor and frequent guest. He also hosts occasional specials on Fox News Channel.
Greta Van Susteren – Host of “On The Record” has personal ties to Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin. She’s married to John Coale, a one time adviser to Sarah Palin. Greta also played host/handler to Todd Palin at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
John Kasich – Former Republican United States Representative, turned Fox News host, guest host for The O’Reilly Factor and frequent guest on Sean Hannity’s show. He is now preparing to run as a Republican Gubernatorial candidate in Ohio’s 2010 election.
Read more: http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/gop-connections/#ixzz0UXc18FV5
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Legends457 wrote: Habanero...... Cute but why don't you try to explain why we have this financial mess and who was behind it all since day one? Try Reagan (your God) who had no clue as to how to run a country. Wall Street loved this man who deregulated everything and made Wall Street insiders RICH..... So go somewhere else with you BS.... Chris Mathews and the rest are FAIR and BALANCED...... It's just FOX can't except Obama being a REAL LEADER..... He has real intelligence when it comes to dealing with issues and doesn't put off "stuff" till tomorrow like you right wingers who can't seem to figure out how to do anything..... LOL..... When was the last time your party of no and nothing has done anything right????? You started a two wars with NO real strategy so how stupid can you be???? LOL.... FAILURE after FAILURE...... The truth hurts....
If you weren't so pathetic, you might actually be funny.
What lines have FNC crossed, you never did enlighten us? Just because they are not in the bag for everything Obama like the rest of the lamestream media does not mean they have crossed any lines.
There is plenty of documentation out there that the likes of Matthews, Olberman, Rather, etc are not only in love with the Zero, but think he can do no wrong, no matter how much wrong he does.
Considering I don't have cable, and thus do not watch FNC, CNN, or MSNBC, and even I am aware of the differences and biases of the majority of the networks, that you are so blinded by his "stardom" comes as no surprise to me.
I don't know about you, but I sure as heck don't want a rockstar as POTUS, I prefer a leader and Zero ain't no leader. He is a puppet.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33391452/ns/business-washington_post
Perks to "CEOs increase as they suck up our tax money. This is never going to change until we force our elected officials to do something
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| Well the seed was planted and now they come out. I've managed to get those of you on the edge to show your true colors. That's what I love about this board. Kind of gets your blood boiling at times. LOL.....
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Lavitakus wrote: Come to think of it, yes. The the difference though, is that news media at that time wasn't so brazen as to attemt to provide themselves political clout.
Of course the economy was also in the bag for those who fed the media as well. Now, not so much and because of that, the media is really opening themselves up for observation. By stumbling here they also expose whats been going on forever by the special interest machines.
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| Come to think of it, yes. The the difference though, is that news media at that time wasn't so brazen as to attemt to provide themselves political clout.
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You mean like Dan Rather attacking George Bush on his Military Record.
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Fair and balanced is nothing more than a trademark. It means nothing except that the perps are loading the till. Kind of like holding the chicken in one hand and the hatchet in the other. Either way the "fox" reaps the rewards of raiding the hen house in the end.
That said, I would hope that no other organization goes the "fair and balanced" route.
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Ron Paul
Ron Paul Howard Berman, chairman of the House For. Aff. Comm. announced a markup for the Iran Petroleum Sanctions Act on Oct 28. This is a very bad and dangerous piece of legislation. Interesting fact in the past, this type of legislation never got ...a committee vote and usually came to the floor, unannounced,under suspension and rammed through.
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Fair and balanced is nothing more than a trademark. It means nothing except that the perps are loading the till. Kind of like holding the chicken in one hand and the hatchet in the other. Either way the "fox" reaps the rewards of raiding the hen house in the end.
That said, I would hope that no other organization goes the "fair and balanced" route.
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Legends is so far from balanced it is difficult to take anything he says seriously, When you actually claim that Chris Matthews is fair and balanced, it's time for the tin foil hats and the boys in white coats.
FTW wrote:
Legends457 wrote: Chris Mathews and the rest are FAIR and BALANCED
I cannot let this one pass. Chris Matthews fair and balanced?
"I have to tell you, you know, it’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often."
You mean THAT Chris Matthews? People have their defining moments. Ted Kennedy's was Chappaquiddick. Bill Clinton - Monica Lewinski. I can no longer hear or see Chris Matthews without thinking of this statement. It has become the gold standard for a commentator becoming too personally affected to be considered non-partisan.
I would like to know who the rest are. Keith Olberman maybe? Just last week he called Michelle Malkin a "mashed up bag of meat with lipstick." Other than Matthews, who else do you consider fair and balanced?
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What is it that causes most everyone to blame presidents for the problems someone elses does?
Granted, they select the people who do the dirty. And, Truman even had posted on his desk: "The Buck Stops Here". Yet, the analogy of the president, being the problem is like the saying ; if guns kill people then pencils misspell.
And trying to argue one tree constitutes a forest.
It, (the president) is the object used. Although the blame is not the object alone. It is the well orchestrated actions of others. Look for who else does the action(s).
(Stop looking at one tree across the street and look at the Forest that is engulfed in Flames.)
Paul Volcker is one of those (not so) fine fellows who you should be looking at, and accusing. He destroyed the monetary system; raising interest rates during the Carter years (before Reagan). And, tried to continue his deeds, even during the Reagan years (Reagan, did fire him). Volcker today is there with Mr Obama by the way.
Yet, what we seen taking place again; Is anyone paying attention?
Paul Volcker also took us off the gold standard during the Nixon Years.
Another expample of missing the target looking at that tree on the other side of the road where the forest fire is raging:
The Social Security issue; During the Reagan years. How many of you know about how Social Security was bailed out back in the Reagan Years? Who Approved that?
Did you know that Railroad Employee spouses are not permitted to obtain their spouses Pension and also collect on the Social Security they paid in to the failed System? Care to ask why State employees and their spouse can? If you don't know, Look into it.
How many people opposed the bailout of Chrysler with Government intervention back in the late 1970's? Who approved that? Reagan or Congress?
What about AMTRACK? and Pennsylvania Railroad? They too were given the Government Hand outs. Did anyone speak up against that ?
What caused the Long Depression? a 26 year Depression, longer then the one in the 1930's and and what caused these two Great Depressions? where they U.S. Grant ? and then Herb. Hoover? or was it other individuals? manipulating the Government to bow to European Standards and rules of governance?
How many people have studied George Washington and his Farewell address? I don't mean read it. Studied it. Do you know, he warned of what has been happening with the United States mingling into European affairs? And people are all up in arms because of, why? TARP and the Collapse of the Dollar, The Unemployement levels and the military action which is not an act of war declared by congress. (Wait. That was what happend in Korea and Vietnam too wasn't it?)
Did anyone raise an outcry when John Warner was Knighted? (Republican US Senator from VA). Or, when the Prime Minister of England stood before the entire body of Congress and announced Ted Kennedy would be knighted by the Queen?
What about when the president became the Chaiman for the UN Security Counsel? Did anyoone in congress stand up and say these actions are against Article I Section 9 of the US Constitution? And Did anyone Voters demand from their state officials to stand up and oppose this?
Who are the people that write the 1,000 page Bills the US Congress pass without reading? If they were writing it they don't need to read it. And if they were writing it they would know what is in the bill and not have an argument of not having time to read it before it has to be passed.
They should be held accountable for passing something they are not sureis in the best interest of a Democratic Constitutional Republic Or are doing this knowing what they are doing. Either way the problems are very complex yet very easy to understand in titling the action with four very easy to understand words
No Virtue or Accountablity.
Again, study the Farewell Address of George Washington.
There is one other problem I also see relating to US History: The concept Mr. Lincoln as a founding father. Where did that come from? A President? Or, was it created in the era after the Federal Government took control of the School systems that belongs to the states rights with the Dept of Education? And who was it that approved this? Congress? So why do people look at one tree that is on the other side of the road where the forest is burning down?
Is it that the people who are able to select who is in office don't realize Congress can impeach on bad behavior? and demand it? Or is it because the bad behavior has infiltrated the entire forest (Elected Officials) and they have no intention to impeach because the majority in Washington are politicians and not statesman? (There is a difference between being a politician and a being a statesman/woman.)
It would appear the people of the United States of America- The Voters, have tossed aside the US Constitution. They also hav permitted the elected to do the same.
Use it or Loose it! That is the blunt reality.
When will the American Citizen begin to demand from those they are going to select to represent them, to speak to you personally, answer your questions? Without the expectation of getting your vote!
Out of all the eligible voter (Yes wake up, there is voter fraud America). How many take an active role in their government by
1 Volunteering even a couple hours a monthy towards a campaign?
2 Devote more time in actual research of candidates and what their intentions are, other then what the news pumps in to their living room? Even the Whitehouse openly boasts; They control the news media in the U.S.
"Very rarely did we communcate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control," - Anita Dunn, Whitehouse Communications Director
"One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," -Anita Dunn
Wake Up America!
Your Country is being handed back to Europe by those you elected!
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Legends457 wrote: He has real intelligence when it comes to dealing with issues and doesn't put off "stuff" till tomorrow
Yep. He doesn't put off stuff until tomorrow. That special date night with Michelle must be done right now. By the way, you can just ignore that pesky little request about PUTTING MORE TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN as General McChrystal recommended. He is not putting that "stuff" off until tomorrow, he is putting it off for weeks. That must be real comforting to our troops in the field.
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Legends457 wrote: Chris Mathews and the rest are FAIR and BALANCED
I cannot let this one pass. Chris Matthews fair and balanced?
"I have to tell you, you know, it’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often."
You mean THAT Chris Matthews? People have their defining moments. Ted Kennedy's was Chappaquiddick. Bill Clinton - Monica Lewinski. I can no longer hear or see Chris Matthews without thinking of this statement. It has become the gold standard for a commentator becoming too personally affected to be considered non-partisan.
I would like to know who the rest are. Keith Olberman maybe? Just last week he called Michelle Malkin a "mashed up bag of meat with lipstick." Other than Matthews, who else do you consider fair and balanced?
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| Hab is an Independent as are many of us.
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| Habanero...... Cute but why don't you try to explain why we have this financial mess and who was behind it all since day one? Try Reagan (your God) who had no clue as to how to run a country. Wall Street loved this man who deregulated everything and made Wall Street insiders RICH..... So go somewhere else with you BS.... Chris Mathews and the rest are FAIR and BALANCED...... It's just FOX can't except Obama being a REAL LEADER..... He has real intelligence when it comes to dealing with issues and doesn't put off "stuff" till tomorrow like you right wingers who can't seem to figure out how to do anything..... LOL..... When was the last time your party of no and nothing has done anything right????? You started a two wars with NO real strategy so how stupid can you be???? LOL.... FAILURE after FAILURE...... The truth hurts....
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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/wall-street-on-track-to-award-record-pay.aspx the title says it all.
I am no economist, but i do have common sense, sometimes. It tells me that something fishy is going on when wall street is turning a profit with 15 million unemployed and a house being forclosed on every 7.5 seconds. The numbers just dont add up. On one hand the banks say they are not giving loans cos theres no credit due to people not paying on their loans. On the other hand they say they are making a profit.
Its all voodoo value generation. With not a single new regulation to stop the crooks from wrecking the economy again!
200 Million spend by the banks on lobyists is seeing that no new regulations hinder the greed machine.
When are we as taxpayers going to get pissed and stop this crap? Or are the investors so stupid that they dont realize if wall street can hand out 140 BILLION in bonus money maybe youre paying too much for those services? if youre an investor why arent you getting that $140 BILLION?
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CaptainObvious wrote: Legends457 wrote: FOX is in the hot seat no matter what some of you think. They've crossed some lines and will be held accountable.
While I'm not crazy about some of Fox's behavior, I have to put the "Freedom of the Press" (i.e. the constitution) ahead of not liking what they say or do--- within reason of course.
If they outright lie, slander or libel somebody that's a different story.
We ultimately want a wide variety of thought and reporting on things.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I wonder if the Legend-in-his-own-mind is screaming about the lines that have been crossed by the likes of Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann or is it only FNC that can cross his imaginary lines?
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Playing the Game wrote: I see you can't even keep your pledge to leave the board.
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One last post before this board goes to hell. Republicans have only one source for information and this shows why so many "followers" of FOX noise have it wrong. They can't sort the truth from the FOX doctrine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t05O3U_G_N4
quit saying it and do what you say.
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Legends457 wrote: FOX is in the hot seat no matter what some of you think. They've crossed some lines and will be held accountable.
While I'm not crazy about some of Fox's behavior, I have to put the "Freedom of the Press" (i.e. the constitution) ahead of not liking what they say or do--- within reason of course.
If they outright lie, slander or libel somebody that's a different story.
We ultimately want a wide variety of thought and reporting on things.
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Habanero wrote: Legends457 wrote: FOX is in the hot seat no matter what some of you think. They've crossed some lines and will be held accountable.
What lines and accountable to whom and for what?
They've crossed Legends cable lines and he doesn't know how to turn them off.
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Legends457 wrote: FOX is in the hot seat no matter what some of you think. They've crossed some lines and will be held accountable.
What lines and accountable to whom and for what?
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I see you can't even keep your pledge to leave the board.
Legends457 wrote:
One last post before this board goes to hell. Republicans have only one source for information and this shows why so many "followers" of FOX noise have it wrong. They can't sort the truth from the FOX doctrine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t05O3U_G_N4
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| FOX is in the hot seat no matter what some of you think. They've crossed some lines and will be held accountable.
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