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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 04:28 pm |
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You talk about accountability? This takes the cake and the roaches will come out of the woodwork on this one soon. Major bank operating like ENRON...
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/20/news/international/switzerland.ap/index.htm
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| That said, I have to wonder who does control the "purse strings " of money being spent? You can't spend money and not account for it in some way. It's just not right when taxpayer money is used with no accountability and this needs to be addressed in the future. "They" seem to want want and want more but fail to give the public an appropriate accountability of monies being spent. We have a lot of waste in the school system relating to all the District Administrative Offices and real "cuts" need to be addressed there instead of enhancing "incentive bonuses" for your Wild Quail memberships. The so called in-crowd needs a reality check with real life and whats going on around them. Keep those "noses" high and dry now and remember your not immune to exposure.
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| The reason I kept running into was "that is not open to the public". Seems Valeski and Roberts loved that line and it was standard answer to anything they did not want to reveal.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 12:13 pm |
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| That to me IS a legitmate complaint....much more so then whining about some person supervising 50 people and getting 100K for their trouble. About the only argument I might accept for not giving that information is something along the lines of it being less than a certain amount. Did they give you a reason suc has this?
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 12:00 pm |
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The information should be made available for all taxpayers to see where the money is being spent and to whom. IN those instances where it is one individual getting a contract to provide services like pyshology we should be able to see the winning bid amount. In those instances where it is a company providing several people we should be able to see the companies winning bid and what services they are providing.
The state purchasing website lists contracts open for bid and then after the awarding of the contract the winner and the amount. I do not have a problem finding out after the bidding process. What I do have a problem with is those contracts that are not openly bid on but awarded to friends of the top brass. The process is being manipulated to give friends and associates an advantage.
The state has policies and procedures in place for purchasing (almost as thick as shakespeares novel) that are designed to prevent fraud. DOE and the school districts are exempt from these policies, I wonder why? Even if you open the process to be competitive I would have no problem allowing the contract period to be 5 years. After the contract period the contract is again opened up for bidding, a lot can happen in 5 years.
We need accountability at the school districts and a way to find and prevent fraud by DOE and the top brass. For far to long we have allowed them to get away with stealing our taxpayer dollars all in the name of the children. We must stop it or we will pay a heavier price than we are paying now.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 09:43 am |
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Good points, SK. I do believe that we are owed information as to where the school districts spend their money. Now, I can not giving all the specific details (I might not want the school district to let people know exactly how much I am charging for my services because others might use that as a competitive advantage) but the figures should be broken down a bit more then that. Telling one that you spend "x" on contracted janitorial services, and "y" on curriculum development should not be a big secret.
I suspect the information can be pulled out of the budget, but they should be able to give you the information you need.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 03:48 am |
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My wife and I were talking about my post about contractors and I agree that I should add a few things to clarify. One I did get the total money spent on contractors from Valeski however I did not get how many people it was for or what class they fall in. Whether it is janitors or pyshologists. When I asked for specific information to do a detailed analysis I was told that is not open to the public.
It is the game the districts and DOE plays that bugs me the most. They mix low paid contractors like janitors and kitchen help with extremely high paid professionals like pyshologists. They then can say the average pay for such and such is this amount which is really low compared to the highest people paid. Politicians seem very fooled by this method and I am not sure but they do it to be able to say denialble plausibility if they are ever caught.
Two when I asked to verify the pay of Dr. Roberts and Dr. Valeski I had obtained from the state website I was told that is not open to the public. When I pressed why it was not open since it is published on the website I recieved no answer but a polite that is not open to the public. After further review of the numbers I determined they are paid out of 2 different monies. One from the state scale and one from the district that is added on. The answer from Dr. Valeski is that is so they can pay teachers more than the state mandates and it is voted on by the school board, behind closed doors in executive session. The information is not available for the public review.
Makes me wonder how much they are actually making in reality. Makes me wonder if Fred when he says only 9 are paid 100k or more is truly correct or not. My whole point is the games they play with accounting is deplorable and designed to cheat us regular taxpayers out of money. I believe it is wasteful and something needs to be done.
Anyway I agree with my wife I needed to add somethings to my original statement to clarify what answers I did get from Valeski and Roberts. Technically there answers were not lies but half lies covered by law.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 01:50 am |
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| Climb off the stallion Fred. Your heart is bleeding Liberal spew all over the rug. There is a difference between the public and private sector and the public sector accepts it with the exception of the educational system.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 01:08 am |
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I can't, because as you made one choice, others can do the same. If the salary difference becomes too different, you will see a shift in where people go. People go for the lower salaries in the public sector because of a variety of factors, but 100K IS much lower then they would make in the public sector...I would guess the difference is at least 1.5 if not double between the private and public sector. I don't think it should be even greater, and don't think the 9 employees should be paid less then they are getting right now.
The military has a program called Active Guard/Reserve (AGR), where you get to serve on active duty status supporting the full time work of the Reserve. They work alongside civil servant graded workers, and I heard much bad-mouthing...and I worked both sides of that equation. The best one was that the civil servants said that AGR stood for A**holes Getting Rich....and these were those Army and Air Force officers you were refering to, so it is all relative.
Jealousy occurs at all levels.
Now....on the other issue, if there is money being spent, we as taxpayers should be able to get the figures without having to go to great lengths to pry the information loose, so I would not be happy about not getting a good answer.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 11:24 pm |
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The main problem people have with the these school district administrative empires is trying to get information about how our tax dollars are being spent. It's a culture of greed manipulated from within and protected. You pay their salaries and yet you can't have 100 percent accountability. 
This contractor issue must be a real good deal and I have to wonder why we graduate students who can't count change back to you when you pay your bill at a retail establishment. Must be the end result of these incentive bonuses.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 10:38 pm |
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Please stop comparing life in the private sector to life in the public sector. There are vast differences. Just because it sells in the private sector, does not make it right or acceptable in the public sector.
I have worked and done well in both, but I know the differences and why they exist. Teachers always seem to be the ones who want to compare what they do to what employees in the private sector make.
I've had it up to my eyeballs with that crap. They chose the lifestyle and the profession knowing what the requirements are and what the pay is.
You're damn right there is jealousy over the outrageous salaries of these public employees. As well there should be. They are overpaid underachievers IMHO. If they want the big bucks, let them move to the private sector and fight for it.
Ask a Colonel in the Army how much he makes compared to a financial assistant superintendent in a school district and justify that...................................................
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There seems to be an awful lot of jealousy about the "six figure" salaries. How much do you think a person in a company with similiar responsibilities make?
I would have to know a bit more about the WQ "bonus" before I pass judgement. I guess you could say my company does the same thing, in that they give me a "bonus" for belonging to a health club....and I probably could stretch that to include WQ, although the 100 bucks I get probably wouldn't go too far.
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Fred wrote: By no stretch am I yes man. If you've read 1/10 of my posts, you would see that I certainly don't go along with the crowd, and I can assure you I am the same at work. That being said, I've progressed to where my boss makes way over that.
I've given you the facts why I don't think it is unreasonable, and if you compare it to a similiar sized company (using the 75 million dollar budget) I can assure you that the C-Staff would be making at least 5 times that. Even nonprofits pay their top executives more then this because of the level of responsibility.
There are areas for cutting, and if you want to revamp everything, you might be able to do that....but given what teachers make, given how many the administrators supervise, and given that you would expect a supervisor to make more, and the manager of the supervisor to make then that, I do not see how the salaries of the 9 are that unreasonable.
As for the consultants.....that might be an area we can agree with. Do you have any details information on who they are? I am guessing that the information is public and available if you want to do dig for it.
The information on contractor pay is not available to the public. CR does all its contractor pays behind closed doors in executive session. I once a few years back requested in writing from DR. Valeski and DR. Roberts the salary of all contractors curently working in the CR distric t. I was politely told that information is private and not available. The right of privacy does not apply to ontractors.
I only know about a few from friends and snitches in the office but I have been told there are plenty who make extremely high salaries. The reason why so many doctors teach for a few years in kindergarden is so they can get one of these positions. I believe that is the prime motivation behind all day kindergarden. So the higher ups can get there friends through the requirement faster and into higher paid jobs faster.
Another reason for all day kindergarden is so they can hire more contractors. It is hard to say no when you are applying for 6 year olds versus high schoolers. I bet we will have upwards of 200 percent increase in special area contactors like pyshologists soon.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 09:22 pm |
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By no stretch am I yes man. If you've read 1/10 of my posts, you would see that I certainly don't go along with the crowd, and I can assure you I am the same at work. That being said, I've progressed to where my boss makes way over that.
I've given you the facts why I don't think it is unreasonable, and if you compare it to a similiar sized company (using the 75 million dollar budget) I can assure you that the C-Staff would be making at least 5 times that. Even nonprofits pay their top executives more then this because of the level of responsibility.
There are areas for cutting, and if you want to revamp everything, you might be able to do that....but given what teachers make, given how many the administrators supervise, and given that you would expect a supervisor to make more, and the manager of the supervisor to make then that, I do not see how the salaries of the 9 are that unreasonable.
As for the consultants.....that might be an area we can agree with. Do you have any details information on who they are? I am guessing that the information is public and available if you want to do dig for it.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 09:08 pm |
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| Well it sounds like your a company man Fred and you can run the numbers any way you want, but the bottom line is enough is enough when others are trying to endure from pay day to pay day. Most are taking cuts in pay and doing what they can to make ends meet. Just because a select few have made it in life does not mean they can take advantage of a situation and use some creative means to get more when its not justified. I do understand what your saying and I bet your a YES Man in the work place. Last edited on Mon Jun 30th, 2008 09:09 pm by Legends457
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CR has 9 employees making 100k or more that we know of, there are also those contractors like Dr. Angermyer (sp.) who make over 100k. Add all the people making 100k or more and it is well over 30 just at CR. Add up all the districts and you have well over 1k people making over 100k.
If we consolidate them into 3 districts and and eliminate half that we would save millions each year. I would not mind paying a few people 150k if we could eliminate the redunancy of people doing the same job. I liken it to corporations that have branches set up, each branch does not make the same as the corporate officers and are generally paid 30 to 40 percent less than corporate officers. In school disticts we have people who make as much as the DOE Head, woody.
IN a consolidation we can eliminate DOE entirely and save another 100 million annually in salaries and rediculous policies.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 03:50 pm |
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Legends457 wrote: Their comes a point in time when you have to look in the mirror and filter through the smoke created by an establishment who seems to reward those "haves" as its been described earlier here. Do we not have the right to question compensation especially when its taxpayer monies being given out at someones whim when we have to all do our part in cost cutting and doing our thing to get this financial mess fixed. Don't tell me it's alright to just give these people carte blanc when it comes to pay compensations. If that's your mindset, then I can see why the state of Delaware is in financial turmoil.
Well, of course you do...that is what people are doing.
Don't confuse someone posting an opposite point of view who happens to have some uncomfortable facts with saying you can't question something. Question away, but be prepared when you get answers that don't agree with your preconceived notions. Screaming that salaries are too high without any relevant comparisions is ridiculous.
I don't think 100K is an outrageous salary, I don't think the jobs these 9 are doing (prinicipals and directors) are unworthy of the salary. I also think that an organization where less then 2% of the employees (and this is just CR....feel free to do the same math with Dover) who make 100K is doing a pretty good job of keeping their management salaries under control. No one gives them carte blanche, as every aspect of the hiring process is in the open. If you don't like the decision of the school board, vote them out, but realize that they hired the best people available who put in for those jobs at salary level....and if you start merging school districts, you will pay MORE to manage them....much, much more.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 03:00 pm |
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| Their comes a point in time when you have to look in the mirror and filter through the smoke created by an establishment who seems to reward those "haves" as its been described earlier here. Do we not have the right to question compensation especially when its taxpayer monies being given out at someones whim when we have to all do our part in cost cutting and doing our thing to get this financial mess fixed. Don't tell me it's alright to just give these people carte blanc when it comes to pay compensations. If that's your mindset, then I can see why the state of Delaware is in financial turmoil.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 02:33 pm |
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And if you had that information, what experience gives you the ability to judge what a salary should or should not be?
We hire several people whose sole job is to determine appropriate levels of compensation. We don't want to overpay, becasue we would prefer to spend the money elsewhere, but we want to be able to attract qualified applicants. They base the figures on what other companies offer both in the state and regionally, and take into things like benefits and the stability of the company.
I would think the district does the same thing. If you want someone who meets the standards set by the school board (in terms of education and certifications) you have to pay a certain salary.
CR (the school district, not the poster) has 9 employees who make more than 100K. They are principals or directors in a 72 Million dollar organization. Given as there are almost 500 employees in CR, I reject the notion that an organization that pays less the 2% of it's mostly highly educated workforce this salary is wasting money. Heck, my organization that has about 30 people in it, all of whom have college degrees (but not advanced degrees, for the most part) has 3-4 people who make that. Maybe it it because of this bias that I fail to be shocked by someone having a 100K salary....
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Fred wrote: There seems to be an awful lot of jealousy about the "six figure" salaries. How much do you think a person in a company with similiar responsibilities make?
I would have to know a bit more about the WQ "bonus" before I pass judgement. I guess you could say my company does the same thing, in that they give me a "bonus" for belonging to a health club....and I probably could stretch that to include WQ, although the 100 bucks I get probably wouldn't go too far.
First we would have to detail what their responsibilities actualy are to judge how much they should get paid.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 12:59 pm |
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There seems to be an awful lot of jealousy about the "six figure" salaries. How much do you think a person in a company with similiar responsibilities make?
I would have to know a bit more about the WQ "bonus" before I pass judgement. I guess you could say my company does the same thing, in that they give me a "bonus" for belonging to a health club....and I probably could stretch that to include WQ, although the 100 bucks I get probably wouldn't go too far.
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| I believe the comment was receiving an incentive bonus for belonging to WQ, not that they were getting their membership paid per sey
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Who is getting their WQ membership paid for?
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The federal government had no business bailing out Bear Stearns thus setting up the FED for other major problems. FAILURE TO CALL OUR ECONOMY IN A RECESSION is pure incompetence at its BEST. Reading those conservative tea leaves just gets better and better. Mean while the "have nots" pay for the "haves" again and again. The FED Chairman has no clue because he'e to busy catering to Wall Street and those famous Investment bankers in Federal Hand Cuffs!
Cutting more programs for our "have nots" and giving more breaks for our "haves" makes more sense for BUSHISM 101. Now we have to think about McCainism 102.  Should be a great election for President.
By the way on our Delaware State Budget issues, They need to cut the upper level administrative school district costs instead of taking away from the "have nots". Paying special incentive bonuses for "belonging to the Wild Quail Country Club" is not in the best interest of average Delaware taxpayers.
I heard someone talking about this issue and if true I do believe these six figure district office administrative incomes need to be exposed and published.
Isn't it great to have accountability ? haha....
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Game_Over2007 wrote: Amazing stock market action today, the DOW is dead and S&P 500 will test the 1200-1220 range again and so goes life..... GM at a 53 year low.... Gloom and doom???? I told you so last year...... GREED GREED and now the sewer rats are all running out the back door with those bags of money they stole from you..... Pretty sad when the 50 day moving average is trading below the 200........
Oh not all of them got away I see that Anne Hathaways EX is wanted and the FBI arrested over 200 people involving something with the subprime disaster. A couple of Bear Stern exects got cuffed too.
The reset youre right about we are headed for a major crash and burn
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| The cockroaches are back out from the woodwork.........
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Amazing stock market action today, the DOW is dead and S&P 500 will test the 1200-1220 range again and so goes life..... GM at a 53 year low.... Gloom and doom???? I told you so last year...... GREED GREED and now the sewer rats are all running out the back door with those bags of money they stole from you..... Pretty sad when the 50 day moving average is trading below the 200........
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| Giving DelDOT money is like giving a heroin addict drugs.
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Oh...you mean other states are having budget issues, as well? I thought Delaware was the only one.....
I do think that the money should go into the general fund. Dedicating it to a specific cause sounds great, but it doesn't work in reality....what if, for instance ,the target doesn't really need the money, or there are other areas in the budget that need it more?
If one was going to dedicate the money to a specific area, I'd go for infrastructure repair and improvement....that would keep the money spent for a few decades....
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It is set by the state constitution in Delaware, thank goodness. Other states make it sound nice, but in reality they simply shift funds away from education and/or senior citizens based on lottery income. New York is the most famous for this. They approved a lottery for education, and then kept depleting the taxes spent on education. PA under Ed Rendell has begun using the lottery funds that were dedicated to senior programs to cover any expense in the state budget that could in the most remote way effect a senior.
That's what happens when you let Liberals and Democrats and Lawyers run the government/
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| Why does Delaware put all gambling revenues in the general fund ? Other states keep a tighter control on those revenues and have specific charters for allocations so the monies end up where it needs to go.
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Legends457 wrote: Just when you thought things were getting better...... Nobody is exempt from this nightmare gone crazy...............
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/23/news/economy/local_government_layoffs/index.htm
I would expect as much as the Gov. hire un needed workers just to pretend the economy is good. When a state gov. is the largest employer as I ve heard Del. is, that should be a clue that something not right is going on.
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Just when you thought things were getting better...... Nobody is exempt from this nightmare gone crazy...............
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/23/news/economy/local_government_layoffs/index.htm
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| Aren't you supposed to be on Long Gisland for the summer? Maybe the North Shore?
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You were warned.
http://www.ajc.com/health/content/metro/stories/2008/05/25/hedgefund_0525.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080617.IBBAYOU17/TPStory/Business
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| NOTHING, I REPEAT NOTHING will ever happen to that SOB Karl Rove! He is a protected conservative with no moral values when he created George Bush and the legend he leaves behind. He belongs on FOX Noise running his mouth about the Liberals and all their problems. He needs to look in the mirror though considering he wrote the book on political BS at its best. Eight years of failures in this country and now these BUTT Heads are talking change? Give me a break...... Nobody can fix this mess.............
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http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/05/28/wasserman-schultz-judiciary-committee-willing-to-arrest-rove-if-he-doesnt-testify/
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| Agreed.... Now we wait till November and listen to all the lip service telling us just what we want to hear.... Politics Politics and more of the same.... NOTHING ever gets done but this go around I do think some may be "tarred and feathered" if we don't see some accountability..... Taxpayers are tired......
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 02:01 pm |
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| There is one party with two factions. Youre just voting for the lesser of two evils
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 10:31 am |
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| Neither political party can fix this mess before us. The system is broken and as the rich get richer the more divided this country will be with those that "have" and those that "have not". Bush in eight years did a good job writing the final chapter to a major disaster on the horizon. REALITY
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 09:13 am |
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I'm sitting here reading the postings in here and I see why I left the Republican party and went to become an independant voter.
All I am reading is, the lefties are doing this or the righties are doing that. One party blaming the other, and vice versa. It's ridiculous and stupid and why I left a major party.
I don't see any party who can claim one is better than the other. You want the truth? I'll give it to you.
Both parties have scum, both parties have liars, both parties have loyal voters who they want to do all the fighting and bickering for them. Seriously, think about it. While the Democrats and Republicans on television appear to be so educated, proper, and well mannered, the voters are out there doing the fighting, name calling, insulting, and bickering for them.
Shame on some of you, you are their pawns.
I left the Republican party when I started to be questioned about my loyalty all because I was questioning Bush and some of his decisions. The hell with that, if I want to question I will and I don't have to goose-step along with what the others in the party is saying or trying to control.
As far as I see it, Republicans and Democrats both have a lot to hang their heads for and be ashamed of. And some of you readers in here, should hang your head in shame as well for doing the bickering for them.
Sure, I take crack shots at the politicians. I can't stand Ruth Ann Minner, not because she is a Democrat but because I think she has drug this state in the hole.
This year, we are faced with Obama or McCain. Instead of focusing on what party one belongs too, lets focus on what he wants to do.
I for one am undecided at the moment. I don't particularly think either party has the "best" candidate running, but we are once again left to decide because these are the two they are giving us.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 08:35 am |
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| It does matter just ask your buddies at FOX NEWS. Last edited on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 09:13 am by Legends457
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 03:59 pm |
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| I don't have any use for these sort of articles. I don't care about what happened between him and his first wife...it has no bearing on the issues regarding whether he should be President or not.
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 03:03 pm |
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Interesting article on Mr John McCain..... Wonder why this so called golden boy maverick is running???? He must be getting worse with his CRS issues...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 10:02 pm |
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Game_Over2007 wrote: You ask why we have high medical costs and we can't take care of our own here in this country? Well view this video from a health care professional in Florida. Ask yourself why? THIS IS INSANITY AT ITS BEST.....
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=6587
Let's see, if you pay thousands of dollars each year for health insurance and
need hospitalization, they do the procedure and rush you the hell out of there
ASAP!!! BUT, if you are an illegal and have no insurance, you get to stay
indefinetely AND don't have to worry about Co Pays or Deductibles.
WTF??
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 10:58 am |
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You ask why we have high medical costs and we can't take care of our own here in this country? Well view this video from a health care professional in Florida. Ask yourself why? THIS IS INSANITY AT ITS BEST.....
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=6587
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 08:52 am |
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FOOT IN MOUTH AGAIN !!!!!!! McCain just needs to shut up about all his knowledge concerning economics and the war in Iraq. He has a hard time with who fighting who and his memory is another issue concerning economics 101. He's branded Bush #3 and thats all that matters. Rightwingers can't get somebody better? LOL
Great economy huh?
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080612/BUSINESS/806120330
Last edited on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 11:02 am by Legends457
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 08:32 am |
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Gee, Now we have politics in the NBA..... Sound familiar?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-bettingprobe&prov=ap&type=lgns
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 12:22 am |
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| Guess you should pack up the family and move to California or Oregon. They seem to have all the Liberal answers. Bring your wallet with you................. Last edited on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 02:05 am by Playing the Game
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 11:08 pm |
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| Get ready to adjust your traveling lifestyles. Nobody will be exempt and the pain will get worse. Floods in the mid-west will drive food prices up more. Nature of the beast now. This mess can't be fixed.
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Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 10:53 am |
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Amazing comments BUT EIGHT YEARS OF FAILURES makes you wonder about rightwing "spin".
http://www.reason.com/news/show/124710.html
http://www.thousandreasons.org/
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