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| Tell the rest of the boys at the Legion Hey for me.
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| Think she's more your type...... LOL..... vote the party line..... this was a joke today.... dumb got dumber...... if people elect that guy..... poor pity this country..... the rich get their win and more greed will prevail...... have a great weekend PTG.....
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| Or she could join you at the bar and swap stories about how great things used to be.
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| Some people are born LEADERS........... they inspire others to work for a common cause......... bomb bomb Iran don't cut it..... btw.... Leadership is what Obama is all about...... 85, 000 supporters watched him the other night giving one of the greatest speeches ever...... McCain has a hard time getting people to come see him...... but vote for him PTG..... carry on the tradition of not voting your party lines..... some disagree and think for themselves..... maybe you like what this economy is all about.... I don't and want change.....new direction...... Don't need Ms Palin to run her mouth about banning abortions................ she can go back to Alaska and eat Moosebergers with her hubby..... maybe clean up the corruption in her own back yard with Ted Stevens....... another prize from the GOP Last edited on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 12:27 am by Legends457
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Posted: Fri Aug 29th, 2008 11:54 pm |
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| Kind of like Obama and his vast experience in leading the most powerful country in the world with some time as a community organizer and 140 days in the Senate setting the stage for his run at the presidency.
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Posted: Fri Aug 29th, 2008 10:38 pm |
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Today John "boy" McCain made me proud. Every time this boy makes a decision in his so called "maverick" mind-set, we see fireworks! Just think about this woman being ohe heart-beet from the US Presidency? Think about her so called creditentials for the job. Ms Palin claim to fame - former council woman, mayor and a Governor with 18 months experience. Makes me feel good about our security and our ability to deal with world class issues. This Hockey Mom needs to stay in Alaska and take care of her corruption cases. This couldn't get any better and sure hope John "boy" makes more of these intelligent decisions.
President Palin??????? hmmmmmm
 Be happy and enjoy Labor Day......
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Here are some interesting articles.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/derivatives-new-ticking-time-bomb/story.aspx?guid=%7BB9E54A5D-4796-4D0D-AC9E-D9124B59D436%7D&print=true&dist=printTop
Recently Pimco's bond fund king Bill Gross said "What we are witnessing is essentially the breakdown of our modern-day banking system, a complex of leveraged lending so hard to understand that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke required a face-to-face refresher course from hedge fund managers in mid-August." In short, not only Warren Buffett, but Bond King Bill Gross, our Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, the Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and the rest of America's leaders can't "figure out" the world's $516 trillion derivatives. Why? Gross says we are creating a new "shadow banking system." Derivatives are now not just risk management tools. As Gross and others see it, the real problem is that derivatives are now a new way of creating money outside the normal central bank liquidity rules. How? Because they're private contracts between two companies or institutions.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0808/S00344.htm Part VIII – The Two Great Financial Mysteries of Our Time: Missing Money and Collateral Fraud ---HUD spent 27 MILLION DOLLARS A MINUTE IN TRANSACTIONS IT CALLS UNDOCUMENTALBE. THE DOD HAS TRILLIONS WITH A T IT CANT ACCOUNT FOR. I wonder why our taxes are so high
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Game_Over2007 wrote: Last night OBAMA sent a message and awoke a nation. OBAMA showed this country what the future holds and what "WE" need to do to fix it. He is Commander and Chief qualified and will lead this country where it needs to go to get us back on track again.
Next week take a break and go to the movies. The RNC has no message except four more years of the same. The RERUN is overbearing. We can not afford four more years of George W Bush. Enjoy your weekend. SMILE.....
NO ONE WHO HAS NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY IS QUALIFIED TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF! NO ONE who has not at least gone thru basic training should be commander in chief. otherwise you have chicken hawks who order others to put their lives on the line, but went AWOL when it was their turn.
OR I could take the opposite and say anyone is qualified as the position is really just a one point of contact for the civilian branch of gov. Congress are the only ones who can declare war so the Chief is just the guy who gives the militaries Congresses instructions on whom to war against. But of course this would require that the limitations on powers in the Constitution where actually being followed. Which we know they are not cos we still have a standing army.
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| Going into the election Obama set the tone for a win last night and McCain will never be able to debate Obama. McCain can't remember anything, let down veterans and follows Bush to the tee. Facts are facts and McCain loses.
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Last night OBAMA sent a message and awoke a nation. OBAMA showed this country what the future holds and what "WE" need to do to fix it. He is Commander and Chief qualified and will lead this country where it needs to go to get us back on track again.
Next week take a break and go to the movies. The RNC has no message except four more years of the same. The RERUN is overbearing. We can not afford four more years of George W Bush. Enjoy your weekend. SMILE.....
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Habanero wrote: Hey folks if you want socialism as opposed to capitalism why don't you move to Canada or Great Britain and leave those of us who prefer capitalism and a representative republic alone?
Tell me you are not naive enough to think that the US of A actually functions via the Constitution. This has been a facists state since Lincoln attacked the South. And capitalism in America means screw whom ever you can for a dime and if you screw up by say creating a mortage bubble well the gov will just socialize your loses.
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| Has anyone explained the McCain tax plan? Still waiting on that responce. Don't think he really has one. I think his plan is to follow George W Bush.
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The "Torch" has been passed and you couldn't ask for a better night at the DNC. This Independent likes what he sees and our fellow Republicans have their work cut out for them going into the RNC. The Karl Rove tactics of old are fading off as more and more people see the light for what it really is and now they want their country back and on track for a better future. The RNC has nothing going in its favor as more and more exposure to truth is brought to light.
Their is no change with the RNC, just "MORE OF THE SAME". John "boy" McCain just don't get it and it's just not good enough. Eight years of FAILED POLICIES, Eight years of LIES, Eight years of CORRUPTION & DISTRUST, and MORE OF THE SAME has ran it's course for the last time.
By the way VETS.... how can you vote for a man who turned his back on your needs as a VET. He's voted FIVE times against helping VETS. McCain is joing at the hip with Bush and Cheney so what more can you ask for? Bush and Cheney never served and I will leave it at that with those two draft dodgers. I did my time "over there" and then some.... I don't need John McCain voting against fellow veterans who "served the call for duty"! We all paid a price and this Vietnam VET will cast his vote for real leadership and real change. My vote will not include John McCain.
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Well it's funny how the fear mongers keep talking about this issue and yet when you ask them why we have this out of control debt they turn their heads and blame the DEMS. Amazing how that FUZZY math works these days. Lets see now. Over the last 230 yrs we've managed to accumulate over FIVE trillion dollars of debt. Under the BUSH EMPIRE, we've out did ourselves. We've added FIVE TRILLION more and now after eight long years of Bushism.... we now have TEN TRILLION dollars of debt to give our kids so they can pay for it. Amazing how this man from Crawford Texas screwed up this country and now he goes back home to tell everybody how great he was as our leader during troubling times. I would love to see him and his fellow cronies brought up on war crimes but he took care of that before the DEMS took over congress two years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc
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| Hey folks if you want socialism as opposed to capitalism why don't you move to Canada or Great Britain and leave those of us who prefer capitalism and a representative republic alone?
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Thanks Game,
I looked up the difference between the two plans and was pleasently suprised to find that for my aging retired parents, the Obama plan would benefit them more.
Less to no taxes for seniors, the prospect of a health plan that wouldn't cost them so much. These things you would think they could get behind. I sent some articles I was able to find to my Dad - don't think this will change his mind, but you never know.
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| Hey, guys....why nothing on the international market apparently seeking refuge in the relatively safe dollar? How about oil dropping on this relative strength?
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Well I think theirs a lot of people out there just not sure of Obama. This country has come a long way and I'm not listening to these yahoos who put the man down because they can't connect the so called dots. I'd rather vote for this man based on his visions for the future where we take a different direction and get back on track for what needs to be done in this country. I'm personally sick and tired of the same ole same ole. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Privilege gets you more and the people who need help in life are put down for their shortfalls. The greedy get greedier and life goes on. We fail ourselves by not listening to whats going on around us and its reality at its best. John McCain has no more clue as to whats going on around him than George Bush. Privilege has ruled enough in this country and now its time for a real change in direction. Read Obama's tax plan. Then read John McCains. It's not hard to figure out if your retired on a fixed income. You will not be taxed if you make less than 50K of your retirement. The plan fixes loop holes and gives more to the middle class. If you want the rich to get richer, vote for McCain.
Remember the Bush prescription plan? A real disaster and work of art for those on the money making side of the equation. FOUR MORE MONTHS and we get rid of BUSHISM...... Last edited on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 09:09 pm by Game_Over2007
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| http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/TaxpayersGiveFatCats20Billion.aspx
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| Hillary did everything that anyone could expect of her, except offer to bake cookies for them to vote for Obama....and they will. Some want the opportunity to vote for her today...fine. Most will heed what she said, some will cast the vote for posterity sake, but I suspect you will have less than 10% who were going to vote for Hillary turn around and vote for McCain.
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I loved Hillary's speech - I think she did a terrific job, if that doesn't unite the party then those who are dems and still vote for McCain are stupid and should just change their party affiliation.
We need loyalty now more than ever and I am impressed with Michelle and Hilliary and Jill.
I like the comfortable way Michelle and Joe and Jill seemed with each other last night.
I would like to see how Cindy is around John's VP pick and his/her spouse.
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sorry, I'll try to be easier on your tired old eyes - this any better?
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McCain just don't get it with Veterans.... He talks a good game but had to cave in the other day reminding everyone of his POW status.... That was then and this is NOW. Desperation is kicking in and maybe he needs to get hold of Bush's 527 boys to do a swift-boating tactic on Obama.... McCain has been thanked for his honorable service to his country, now talk REAL ISSUES. He's losing it......
http://arrogantatheist.blogspot.com/2008/07/video-of-john-mccains-failures-with.html
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| LOL..... Sounds like Hillary set the record straight last night PTG and no matter what you think about her and the party, they are RIGHT ON TARGET. The message was given and Fox News can stew on that message all day today. LOL LOL....
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"I love the smell of napalm in the morning....."
Legends457 wrote:
Well Angel the Fox news draft dodgers set up a war room in Denver. It's amusing to see them scramble for news and stir the pot. Trouble is everybody knows them and like the Karl Rove crowd goes, nobody cares. OBAMA will take this home....... 
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| Sounds like good management making sound decisions to me.
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This is a first for sure.... I guess when Southwest Airlines cuts flights, times are really getting bad..... Get ready for a hard winter.... Cash is KING
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080826/southwest_cuts.html
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Please calm down your font size, you are blowing the readability up for no reason.
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Angle you are wrong in thinking there is no plan - there is a state wide plan and each town/city has a plan - you can find the comp plans on the web if you look hard enough. Kent County didn't like the growth, even when it was within the appropriate "Growth zone" areas, outside the areas the farmers didn't like the fact that their property was being leg-ironed by regs that kept them from selling to developers at a price that would ensure a profitable retirement. People who enjoy living in their subdivisions don't want to afford anyone else that opportunity, they begrudge anyone the same opportunities they had because there was a boom in development, not remembering that they too once bought their homes during a boom in the economy and a boom in housing in this area. Like all things - change is inevitable the boom will bust and it has with dramatic effects that will challenge us all - whether we made good fiscal decisions or not - we will all pay the price for the housing market taking a dive. And that is a crying shame, but one we will have to get through no matter what.
Greed to one person is just opportunity to another.
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| Well Angel the Fox news draft dodgers set up a war room in Denver. It's amusing to see them scramble for news and stir the pot. Trouble is everybody knows them and like the Karl Rove crowd goes, nobody cares. OBAMA will take this home.......
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Angle you are wrong in thinking there is no plan - there is a state wide plan and each town/city has a plan - you can find the comp plans on the web if you look hard enough. Kent County didn't like the growth, even when it was within the appropriate "Growth zone" areas, outside the areas the farmers didn't like the fact that their property was being leg-ironed by regs that kept them from selling to developers at a price that would ensure a profitable retirement. People who enjoy living in their subdivisions don't want to afford anyone else that opportunity, they begrudge anyone the same opportunities they had because there was a boom in development, not remembering that they too once bought their homes during a boom in the economy and a boom in housing in this area. Like all things - change is inevitable the boom will bust and it has with dramatic effects that will challenge us all - whether we made good fiscal decisions or not - we will all pay the price for the housing market taking a dive. And that is a crying shame, but one we will have to get through no matter what.
Greed to one person is just opportunity to another.
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| One thing about this election and its very clear to those who see the big picture. Eight years ago Bush came into office with a surplus and ignored those who warned him about spending like theirs no tomorrow. Bush has accomplished nothing in eight years and our economy today is the end result of his poor leadership. Nobody can tell me they are better off today than they were eight years ago. If you are your crazy or on dope. FIVE TRILLION dollars of debt under his watch and the man is still in denial. He's a legend in his own mind. He needs to just go home and let OBAMA clean up his mess.
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| Ah yes here we go again. Do not under estimate this generation who marches to a different tune. This generation wants accountability and integrity restored to our way of government. The last eight years of Bush and his "above the law" mind-set hasn't done the GOP a lot of good among numerous other false hoods.
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| Last night Michelle Obama gave a heartfelt speech reaching a lot of people who really didn't know her and now they do. The McCain's can figure it out if they can and lets just see how they come back today. I think John "boy" has his work cut out for him and his attack machine is dead in the water. The last eight years of BUSHISM has ruined this country. Now we need CHANGE. Communication within our country has driven this movement and no matter what you think about it, its real and its going to beat the GOP fear mongering machine and Wall Street's Greed. Remember John "boy" can't use a computer, doesn't know anything about the economy. Guess he's stuck in the good "ole days" reading Bushism or those TEXAS TEA Leaves huh? Last edited on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 09:08 am by Game_Over2007
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| Let us clarify that Fred, they have been the Holy Grail of the Democrat Party. Republicans know better.
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You may have a point, CR. Young people have always been the Holy Grail of candidates, but they have never consistantly showed up to vote on election day. They always say they are going to vote, but they always manage to find something else to do.
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| Fortunately, or Unfortunately, the You Tube generation doesn't vote. They have already dumped Obama because there was no instant gratification. The generation the Dems are chasing have the attention span of a flea. The Dems are also the ones who started this campaign 4 years ago and the texting generation has become bored with it.
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McCain has a real problem with remembering things. Liar Liar.....
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/02/mccain-lies-about-his-support-for-mlk-jr-day-in-arizona/
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Angel1965 wrote: I seen last night where Fox News is already in attack mode trying to get its fair and balanced agenda moving forward with far right wing attacks. They seem to open old news over and over again and it goes nowhere. Ooooops.... Forgot Karl Rove is on the payroll now and the GOP needs to vent its agenda of typical dirty tactics.
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| Not to worry, the Clintons are on Obama's side now. The dirty tricksters themselves will be out in force.
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| I seen last night where Fox News is already in attack mode trying to get its fair and balanced agenda moving forward with far right wing attacks. They seem to open old news over and over again and it goes nowhere. Ooooops.... Forgot Karl Rove is on the payroll now and the GOP needs to vent its agenda of typical dirty tactics.
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Glad to see the OBAMA / Biden ticket and lets just see how McCain does with his memory issues now considering he can't remember what tribe is what in IRAQ. He doesn't know much about the economy, so what the hell does he really bring to the table outside of his so called maverick image and straight talk express which is a joke. Read the tax plans and see who really benefits if you conservatives can read. The last eight years of hidden agendas and back door crap is the end result of a failed US Economy. We now have almost ten trillion dollars of debt and half of this debt came under BUSHISM. The other five trillion dollars of debt took us almost two hundred years to accumulate. Amazing how the truth is the truth. Worker bees drive this economy and this is the end result of BUSHISM or conservative rhetoric which made the rich richer and the poor poorer. Enjoy your day and change is on the horizon.....
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| Raping the system I do believe says it all referring to your whole cadre of greed including "everyone" who participated in the quick dollar schemes to push homes to values to seemingly never-ending highs which were NEVER JUSTIFIED. Fifty percent of the homes built were lacking in quality workmanship to make it even better. You claim to have invested your money in these ventures taking a risk and now I say to you..... Enjoy the downside...... Lots of people invest in stocks too and lose their ass...... Its your turn you might say..... Thats called LIFE..... I wont feel sorry for you and anyone else associated with your culture of making a quick dollar in a way that has ruined this country's average family working for an honest living! Your real estate buddies said "build these homes and they will come" YOU ALL did a number on U.S. economy, so now you pay for your creative GREED..... Enough said..... Enjoy your day... Last edited on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 04:29 pm by Game_Over2007
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Heres an article about how the global markets are fairing. Doesnt look good anywhere.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/warning-worldwide-wipeout-ahead.aspx
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2centsworth wrote: I'm sorry but I still am having trouble understanding that when I invest my money in a piece of ground (The person that I bought it from made a nice profit) and then more money building a house on it, that I am "Raping" the person that ultimately buys it.
I know that capitalism is frowned on by many, but please explain what I did wrong.
I think she was refering to the lenders not the builders
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 11:53 pm |
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| A repentent developer/agent who is trying to become "the nice guy"
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 03:30 pm |
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Thanks Fred. I agree land use and infrastructure are serious issues that have not been handled very well.
The "Rape" comment was in response to "Angel"
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 02:59 pm |
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| I don't think anyone would say you are raping anyone....buying a piece of property and building on it has some other issues (land use, infrastructure stress) but not sure it is related to the conversation here.
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 02:47 pm |
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I'm sorry but I still am having trouble understanding that when I invest my money in a piece of ground (The person that I bought it from made a nice profit) and then more money building a house on it, that I am "Raping" the person that ultimately buys it.
I know that capitalism is frowned on by many, but please explain what I did wrong.
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 02:26 pm |
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2centsworth wrote:
Yes, there were some predatory lenders out there that put some homeowners at great risk mostly when they refinanced into adjustable rate programs.
Lets remember that every one of them had the benefit of an attorney to advise them at their settlement.
The market will return and the good businesses that remain will return to profit.
Ain't America great.
The attorney that is there is dealing with the title and real estate issue, not the legality or morality of the lending clauses. I would find it hard to imagine a lawyer advising or even wanting to advise the client on the appropriateness or structure of the mortgage, just whether or not it was legal.
As for the "some" bit....given as the rate of foreclosures is as great as it has ever been, there were more than a few.
And yes, those who have a few dollars in the bank, or who have a house that is more than a few years old, will do well. As for those left in this wake...I guess what you are saying is too bad, eh?
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 02:22 pm |
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| Wow... a mouth full considering all you so called do goods raped the system for all it had and then some. Maybe you need to consider using your 5th amendment rights when it comes to how you helped the general population with all their needs. I've seen your type in three different states and you all have one common interest and that is get all you can while you can. Don't count on your recovery anytime soon Mr Two Cents................ The damage done will take years to fix and time in most cases is not on your side considering your holdings have to be paid for and maybe you will feel the extra pain others share now. Life can be a real "B" huh?
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