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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 04:37 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News: Revenue forecast rises $63M
Money welcome but lawmakers leery of windfall
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
DOVER — Delaware revenues, which have been in the tank throughout this year, received an unexpected $63.3 million windfall Monday morning that had state finance officials double-checking the numbers and some lawmakers pleased but concerned.
Details of the corporation income tax estimated payment were limited due to state laws that prohibit divulging the tax payments of individuals or companies, but the wire transfer was reported at 11 a.m., hours before the state’s revenue projection committee was slated to meet.
Deputy Secretary of Finance Thomas J. Cook said the one-time capital-gains payment was due to the partial liquidation of one private corporate entity’s interests into a private Delaware partnership.
Joint Finance Committee co-chair Rep. William A. Oberle Jr. said "one entity of a larger group of entities went out of business" and its interests were swallowed up by the larger group.
"They thought they slipped a decimal place," Rep. Oberle, R-Newark, said of the $63.3 million payment. "It had to be billions of dollars to close down that entity (for Delaware to receive that much money)."
The windfall, combined with other revenue estimates approved by the Delaware Economic and Financial Advisory Council, increased the state’s overall revenue projections by $66.5 million, dropping a $217.3 million shortfall to about $151 million.
But state budget officials and legislators on the budget-writing Joint Finance Committee cautioned that while the money coming in is a blessing, it is a one-time payment that likely should not be used to solve the operating budget deficit.
"I’m happy to get the $63 million," said Rep. Peter C. Schwartzkopf, D-Rehoboth Beach. "Does it throw a monkey wrench in everything we’ve been doing on Joint Finance? Absolutely.
"We’ve been talking about cutting the budget for the last month … this is going to cause a whole different set of problems."
During four weeks of mostly closed-door hearings, the JFC has cut $86.8 million from the governor’s proposed $3.41 billion fiscal 2009 budget, while legislative leaders have been discussing a series of proposed tax and fee increases, with the cuts and hikes expected to meet in the middle of the shortfall.
Rep. Schwartzkopf said he is concerned that the last-minute revenue could complicate the budget process because lawmakers and residents might assume that the cash influx solves the state’s operating-budget crunch.
"There’s already been talk (among some JFC members) about rolling back some of the cuts," he said, noting that the committee "folded tent" shortly after news of the windfall broke and the committee is not scheduled to meet today after being slated to meet every day this week.
Rep. Oberle said the panel still expects to finalize the budget this week.
Rep. Schwartzkopf and Office of Management and Budget director Jennifer W. Davis cautioned against using one-time money for the operating budget.
"I hope people know the difference between ongoing, sustainable revenue and one-time money," Mrs. Davis said. "One-time money isn’t a fix" for the operating budget).
"If we were to start to restore base-budget cuts with one-time money, we would have a bigger structural problem for (fiscal 2010)."
Instead, Mrs. Davis and Rep. Oberle separately suggested that the money be used primarily for capital projects, which is where one-time money often is allocated.
"We have $183 million worth of school-construction referendums that have passed that haven’t been funded," Mrs. Davis said.
Rep. Oberle said the JFC still is in cut mode, but indicated that while most of the $63.3 million should go toward capital projects, some could be used for operating expenses, such as reinstating the Medicaid buy-in program.
JFC members have lamented cutting the $928,600 Medicaid buy-in program, which would allow those with disabilities to work full-time and maintain their Medicaid benefits by paying a little extra based on their income.
While the money is welcome, Rep. Schwartzkopf said the nature of the 11th-hour revenue and the lack of details — even though it’s due to state law — could rub residents the wrong way and raise doubts.
"It’s not just public distrust, but legislative distrust about where the money came from," he said. "I would like to know where it came from … I specifically asked (Mr. Cook), and he wouldn’t tell me.
"I have questions. I would like to know a little more about where the money came from because I’d like to know how to answer the calls I’m going to get from constituents."
Mr. Cook insisted that he did not know of the payment until 11 a.m. Monday, noting the DEFAC’s revenue subcommittee met Friday to go over the numbers and there was no indication that this windfall was coming.
"We were asking whether we missed something in the Wall Street Journal or something like that," he said.
In addition to the spike in the corporation income tax, revenues climbed in fiscal 2008 in abandoned property ($10 million) and fell in personal income tax ($7 million.)
In fiscal 2009, DEFAC increased its abandoned-property estimate by $8 million and decreased personal income tax by $7 million and corporation income tax by $5.3 million.
Although it is not factored into the fiscal 2009 problem, revenues for fiscal 2010 fell by $32.8 million Monday, and by $278.3 million since December.
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Staff writer Drew Volturo can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14th, 2008 01:00 am |
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Now back to the topic after this brief smoke break. Looks like drinkers are about to be attacked like smokers have been. When will the Government learn that cutting spending is the primary objective in a down economy. Keeping Government spending low and tied to a % of GDP is the way to keep it that way.
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If the Senate (Demolib) was allowed to submit tax increases instead of the House (Repub), we would be facing income tax increases in Delaware. Pesky thing that constitution.
BTW I have yet to see an actual program cut from the Minner/Carney Libs. They have threatened education, Medicare, Medicaid, charity etc. But those are the heart throb items. After all, it's for the children..................................................
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Posted: Sat Jun 14th, 2008 12:57 am |
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Hab - My wife smokes and she is very respectful of non-smokers, as are most smokers. I had to quit 20 years ago because I have asthma and chronic bronchitis.
I completely disagree with the smoking ban because I believe in the free market. What I find most irritating these days is booking a smoking room in a hotel and arriving to have the front desk say "sorry we only have 5 smoking rooms". Had I been told this at the start when they confirmed my room choice, I would have selected another hotel. I refuse to frequent places that refuse to accomodate my personal and legal choices.
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Playing the Game wrote: I do not disagree with you entirely Hab. The casino's have recoverd from the smoking ban however. I think it is logical for the state to up it's portion of the "take" from the casinos to 40% at this point.
And I don't entirely disagree with you. I totally agree the state should up it's take. I never agreed with the original "split" to begin with.
I also agree with you that they have recovered from the ban, however they will never recoup the losses from that first year. In the 6 months following the 9/11/01 attacks, a time when most businesses saw a decline in revenue, there was an 11% increase for the slots, this was a fairly consistent annual increase. Following the smoking ban not only was there NOT a double digit increase, there was a double digit decline. But that is neither here nor there.
My comment was directed specifically at the attitude taken by Hudson. I will now drop the subject.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 11:24 pm |
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Fred wrote:
Do you not see that patron X, if he can't go to the bar to smoke and drink, is still going to spend his money on some entertainment?
When the Delaware ban went into effect my husband and I took our 2-3 hours on a Friday afternoon over to Maryland. All our other entertainment funds went to having get togethers at our house or that of like-minded friends.
I feel for the bartenders and waitress in MD, I'm now getting what used to be their customers in my bar. It's great for me and those I work for, but it sure ain't great for the guys and gals in MD.
A friend of mine, with a new restaurant, that hasn't even openned yet, had over 35 applicants with wait staff experience in Maryland just this week alone. Between the smoking ban and the use of J-1 visa employees, there are far less jobs for Americans. Even ones with experience.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 11:10 pm |
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Fred wrote: Maybe it is because people are smoking less?
I seriously doubt that it is because they are getting them cheaper; MD and PA both are more expensive smokes, at least according to this....
http://tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0099.pdf
Which puts DE pretty much in the middle on the cost of cigarettes.
Your question about illegals is pretty much unaswerable; it would be like asking how much of your tax dollar goes to redheads.
Fred, I seriously doubt it is because of people smoking less --- they are just finding cheaper means of obtaining their smokes.
First, many folks have switched to "roll/stuff your own" (aka RYO), and loose tobacco is taxed at a much lower rate than premade cigarettes. A carton of RYO can cost as little as $6.50 in comparison to $40+ for premades --- and without all the nasty additives.
Second, people ARE going elsewhere to purchase their tobacco products. I see it on a daily basis - the cigarette outlets around me always have more out of state plates than VA plates. You would be amazed at the nmber of DE plates I see. Remember, this part of VA is less than an hour from the MD/DE line.
Finally, CTFK (your link) is NOT a credible source of information, they are repeatedly called on the carpet by other members of Tobacco Control for misleading information, and for being in bed with Philip Morris on tobacco regulation.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 10:55 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: I do not disagree with you entirely Hab. The casino's have recoverd from the smoking ban however. I think it is logical for the state to up it's portion of the "take" from the casinos to 40% at this point.
And I don't entirely disagree with you. I totally agree the state should up it's take. I never agreed with the original "split" to begin with.
I also agree with you that they have recovered from the ban, however they will never recoup the losses from that first year. In the 6 months following the 9/11/01 attacks, a time when most businesses saw a decline in revenue, there was an 11% increase for the slots, this was a fairly consistent annual increase. Following the smoking ban not only was there NOT a double digit increase, there was a double digit decline. But that is neither here nor there.
My comment was directed specifically at the attitude taken by Hudson. I will now drop the subject.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 08:51 pm |
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You are "dancin" around the issue.
Do you not see that patron X, if he can't go to the bar to smoke and drink, is still going to spend his money on some entertainment? Yes, the local bar is affected, but so is Joe's Hardware when WalMart opens up.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 08:34 pm |
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| I'll bet 99% of the bars Blues plays in are not even in De . The 2 moms who were supporting themselves with a second job now have to get foodstamps .
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 08:27 pm |
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No, I did not.....I brought up some economic facts to you. Blues tells you that the bars he works at every week are as packed.
Those patrons may not be going to Smokey's Bar anymore, but are they not still spending the same amount of money? Isn't it still going into the economy? It may be going into it in a different way, but those tips that the drinkers were giving is still being spent elsewhere.
I do feel for those who have to find a new job, but I refuse to believe that the same jobs are not elsewhere.
Now...do I think that the smoking ban cut into the profits at the racinos? Absolutely....but those profits were still large enough to cut our taxes elsewhere. I also think that, with NJ going smoke free on the floors, PA probably will follow suit, as well, that it is a moot point.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 08:16 pm |
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| the name of the topic is state budget crisis. I was making a point of how cigerettes have influenced the deficit of the state budget . Obviously you are taking the "I hate all smokers and they are stupid people " position and therefore you twist things and make no sense in relation to what I am saying . Good bye
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 08:08 pm |
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dancin wrote: well it certainly hurt the 2 people who own the bar and the 4 bartenders that worked there. The bartenders use to make 100.00 - 150.00 a night in tips on weekends then it went to 50.00 $60.00 . As single moms this was a second job a couple of nights a week to have a few extras. So no I don't think they were concerned about 401"s .
So, where did the bar patrons go? Where did they spend their money?
I could tell you some sad stories of buggy whip makers, CB Radio sellers, or Pet Rock trainers, as well.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 08:05 pm |
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| two cents, so how did you come about that intelligent reply?
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 07:55 pm |
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| Sounds like dancin is really thirsty!!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 07:19 pm |
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| well it certainly hurt the 2 people who own the bar and the 4 bartenders that worked there. The bartenders use to make 100.00 - 150.00 a night in tips on weekends then it went to 50.00 $60.00 . As single moms this was a second job a couple of nights a week to have a few extras. So no I don't think they were concerned about 401"s .
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 07:13 pm |
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dancin wrote: . The locals bars have the folks that socialize , shoot pool , and hang out . When the smoking ban went in affect they had a huge decline in revenue at my local bars , one bar even closed until 3pm .
Simple economics means that, even if true, these people are still going to spend their leisure dollars...maybe not there, maybe somewhere else. I doubt they are investing their not spent dollars in a 401K...but if they are, great. However, I suspect that most people who might spend $20 a night at a bar are now spending that $20 elsewhere....a zero sum game, basically.
If the bar closes and the money is spent on something else (pool tables for homes, Beermeisters, etc.)...does it really matter?
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 06:58 pm |
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| the small local bars that I speak of are hurting a lot . Not the clubs that provide entertainment because the people are there for the entertainment and they have a larger group of people . The locals bars have the folks that socialize , shoot pool , and hang out . When the smoking ban went in affect they had a huge decline in revenue at my local bars , one bar even closed until 3pm . The casinos always had non smoking sections .and a million dollar air filter . The beach is out side so unless your crammed on top of someone it should not be an issue. I always use a plastic baggie and take my butts with me as all smokers should. If I had to sit that close to someone on the beach I would ask before I sat down if they mind if I smoke if they do I would move but if I was there first and they sat down and had a problem with my cig then they should move. Luckily I have never had a problem on the beach. I have moved when people with crying or bratty kids sat close to me.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 06:42 pm |
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dancin wrote: Why are people so surprised that part of the deficit is because there is less cigerette tax in De? Isn't that what the Minner folks wanted.. people to quit smoking? She did everything she could no smoking in bars, resturaunts, casinos or state property, now maybe the beaches. I don't have a problem with not smoking around others in resturaunts but look what it's done to the bars and I don't know about the casinos. I believe it will affect the tourism if people cannot smoke on the beach. Is that what De wants less money? I wonder how much we lost since the smoking ban went in to effect. Anyone know? All I know is people cannot afford any more increases. Increase the tax on the corporations and the developers or get into the rainy day fund before you find De in a flood. Go after those who can afford it more than the working man and woman. Leave us alone we are barely surviving now. !!!
As a performer who plays in clubs up and down the east coast I can assure you that non smoking in bars and clubs has not effected the patronage.
If you choose to smoke fine, but why should ANYONE else ANYWHERE have to be subjected to second hand smoke.
I used to chew tabacco how would you have felt if I was at he beach chewing and spitting chew juice next to you and your family.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 02:27 pm |
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| Why are people so surprised that part of the deficit is because there is less cigerette tax in De? Isn't that what the Minner folks wanted.. people to quit smoking? She did everything she could no smoking in bars, resturaunts, casinos or state property, now maybe the beaches. I don't have a problem with not smoking around others in resturaunts but look what it's done to the bars and I don't know about the casinos. I believe it will affect the tourism if people cannot smoke on the beach. Is that what De wants less money? I wonder how much we lost since the smoking ban went in to effect. Anyone know? All I know is people cannot afford any more increases. Increase the tax on the corporations and the developers or get into the rainy day fund before you find De in a flood. Go after those who can afford it more than the working man and woman. Leave us alone we are barely surviving now. !!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 01:45 pm |
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Maybe it is because people are smoking less?
I seriously doubt that it is because they are getting them cheaper; MD and PA both are more expensive smokes, at least according to this....
http://tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0099.pdf
Which puts DE pretty much in the middle on the cost of cigarettes.
Your question about illegals is pretty much unaswerable; it would be like asking how much of your tax dollar goes to redheads.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 01:29 pm |
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I am surprised none of you have addressed the debacle about the cigarette taxes. Did you know that this is the first year that the state did not have a plus side on cigarette taxes? Could it be that people are going out of state thanks to Ruth Ann's $9.00 increase in less than two years?
As for increase in taxes how about real estate? Mine have tripled in nine years. Look at license fees both vehicle and personnel. UP, UP, and AWAY!!
Look at some of the expenditures. State Police all have their own cars. State employees have better health insurance than Federal Civil Service. Look at all the state vehicles running up and down the highways burning precious gas and wear an tear on an enormous state owned fleet. Last but not least the state is the number one employer!!
Oh! I almost forgot. How much of our tax dollars are going to support illegal immigrants. Yes that question is on my blog some time back!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 03:27 am |
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If the Senate (Demolib) was allowed to submit tax increases instead of the House (Repub), we would be facing income tax increases in Delaware. Pesky thing that constitution.
BTW I have yet to see an actual program cut from the Minner/Carney Libs. They have threatened education, Medicare, Medicaid, charity etc. But those are the heart throb items. After all, it's for the children..................................................
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 03:19 am |
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| Where did liberals refuse to cut spending? Show me one person who has refused to make cuts.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 03:17 am |
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I do not disagree with you entirely Hab. The casino's have recoverd from the smoking ban however. I think it is logical for the state to up it's portion of the "take" from the casinos to 40% at this point.
The major problem is greed, you have the horsemen, the casino's and Mama Minner/Carney programs that drain the economy in Delaware.
Time to look at alternatives that make sense, like cutting spending and entitlements. How sad that the largest employer in the State of Delaware is the State of Delaware. I think there is a novel in the making here......................................
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 02:38 am |
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"We get significantly less," Rep. Hudson said. "We have established them as a monopoly, and given these economic times, it’s time for them to pony up.
You should have thought about that before you banned smoking you imbecile. The revenues lost in the first year of the smoking ban have never been made up. I know far too many people, many who are non-smokers who will no longer play the slots in Delaware, they prefer to go to West Virginia or Pennsylvania because payouts are better because there are more players.
Debbie Hudson has no one to blame for this problem but herself. Herself being a legislator who welcomed the campaign contributions and golf outings and dinners and others perks from the tobacco industry for YEARS.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 01:57 am |
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Why do Liberals refuse to cut spending? When my income didn't increase this year, because I am a State Employee, I cut spending in a few areas. No one offered me the luxury of demanding money from my neighbors.
Fred wrote:
What is really interesting is they are talking of rolling back previous tax cuts....For instance...
1. Rolling back the 20% reduction in the gross receipts tax passed 2 years ago;
2. Increased standard deductions, lowered income tax rates, and various other downward adjustments in 2000;
3. Rollback of the state's take of the real estate transfer tax in 1999....they lowered their cut of the fee, giving more money to the counties.
4. 1997 excise tax cut on spirits.
All told it adds up to about 160 million that has been cut out of the taxes over the past 10 years or so (mainly because we were making it elsewhere).
While I think that there is probably some more cuts that can be made, at some point you are going to have to raise some form of taxes, made in good times, are probably good targets. I suspect that they will be distributed among several catagories, so you won't see the gross receipts tax jumping 20%...probably more like 5 or 6 %, which will still be lower then 4 years ago.
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| The casinos are crying poor? The casinos build on each year and do they really need all the fancy stuff they put up ? The players would rather win once in a while , this is not Las Vegas where people go for other reasons than gambling . Also how many nights are there 500 rooms filled ? I heard that only 1/2 of the DD rooms were full on any night before they built on to the hotel. So why did they build on? The horeracers are getting richer and richer I know some of them and they are doing very well. of course they are self employed so we know they are not paying all their share of taxes. Maybe that's part of the deficit. All the people including the ailiens who come here and buy the motels, liquor store, cigerette stores etc don't claim their gross income and pay their share of tax . Perhaps the state needs to look into this. Another thing is all the fraud in the social services programs and housing . If they don't work 20 hrs a week make them do community service to get food stamps and make them take the fathers to court for child support. There is no accountability Free housing, food and health insurance while they hang out in their homes and run the A/C and watch tv. Then you have the family who both work but are over income for CHIPS and they cannot afford to pay 400.00 a month or more for health insurance . Yes I know life's not fair but the government needs to help the working poor and stop all the free hand outs.to the lazy ones . It's not up to the state gov't . These programs are mostly mandated by the Feds but they can be tweeked by the state with some things. If we got rid of the fraud we would not have a deficit .
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 06:24 pm |
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What is really interesting is they are talking of rolling back previous tax cuts....For instance...
1. Rolling back the 20% reduction in the gross receipts tax passed 2 years ago;
2. Increased standard deductions, lowered income tax rates, and various other downward adjustments in 2000;
3. Rollback of the state's take of the real estate transfer tax in 1999....they lowered their cut of the fee, giving more money to the counties.
4. 1997 excise tax cut on spirits.
All told it adds up to about 160 million that has been cut out of the taxes over the past 10 years or so (mainly because we were making it elsewhere).
While I think that there is probably some more cuts that can be made, at some point you are going to have to raise some form of taxes, made in good times, are probably good targets. I suspect that they will be distributed among several catagories, so you won't see the gross receipts tax jumping 20%...probably more like 5 or 6 %, which will still be lower then 4 years ago.
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This state budget thing is getting worrisome given our legislators have committed to only cutting half of the deficit through reduced spending and upping taxes on us to make up the other half. It's like when we civilians have a loss of income we have to stop spending or take on a second job. The State sees that second job as adding more taxes.
What sources of income dropped that much to cause all this? If they tell me it's cause the developers aren't puttng up houses as fast, that would really worry me because it would mean that once the state is finally all paved over we'll have a massive revenue shortfall trying to take care of all the new people while the developers are off at the Riveria laughing at us.
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News: Income tax bill would raid rich
But Senate plan flies in face of state constitution
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
DOVER — Delaware’s version of Robin Hood descended on Legislative Hall Wednesday, with legislators proposing to increase personal income taxes for the rich to give to the poor.
The proposal, Senate Bill 312, would create a new upper tax bracket for those earning $150,000 or more annually and set their tax rate at 7.95 percent, 2 percent higher than the current top rate for those earning $60,000 or more.
But the bill could be finished before it starts due to a constitutional conflict.
"I believe that those who benefited from the 1995-2005 (economic boom) should be willing to step up to the plate here," said sponsor Sen. Robert I. Marshall, D-Wilmington.
"I believe … those who (receive assistance from) grant-in-aid and other parts of the human services arena should be protected."
Sen. Robert L. Venables Sr., D-Laurel, who is one of the five Democratic senators who are sponsoring the bill, said seeing the cuts to organizations such as the Food Bank of Delaware and reductions in Medicaid services forced him to sign on.
Lawmakers are grappling with a projected $217.3 million revenue shortfall that budget writers and legislative leaders are attacking by cutting the proposed $3.41 billion fiscal 2009 budget and looking for tax and fee increases.
As part of those cuts, several nonprofit groups and senior centers have seen their funding slashed by 8 percent, and legislators cut a new Medicaid buy-in program, which would allow those with disabilities to work full-time and maintain their Medicaid benefits by paying a little extra based on their income.
Delaware last increased personal income taxes (PIT) in 1974 to 19.8 percent for the top bracket, then cut taxes 12 times during the next 26 years, including seven times from 1996-2000.
Creating the new tax bracket for those earning $150,000 or more, which would take effect Jan. 1, would generate about $35 million in fiscal 2009 and $100 million in the following years.
"That’s not pocket change," Sen. Marshall said.
But the proposal, introduced late Wednesday, has a very short shelf life — it’s unconstitutional.
According to the state constitution, tax bills must start in the House, noted Senate Majority Leader Sen. Anthony J. DeLuca, D-Newark, who chided Sen. Marshall while he talked about the bill on the Senate floor.
But Sen. Marshall said afterward that his proposal is designed to start a dialogue that he doesn’t feel is happening in Legislative Hall, despite lawmakers saying repeatedly that "all options are on the table" with regard to solving the budget crunch.
"PIT has not been on the table," Sen. Marshall said. "The distinct feeling that has prevailed in this building is that it’s an election year, and PIT is something that will not be considered.
"This (bill) will give more visibility to the issue. We are a laboratory of public policy. This could help move it to the forefront of discussions."
Regardless of where the bill is introduced, it already has staunch opposition from Republican lawmakers, with several senators shocked at the proposal.
"I think when you’ve got an economy as shaky as ours and you’re looking for business investments," said Senate Minority Leader Sen. Charles L. Copeland, "to take money out of the economy and put it in a bloated state bureaucracy that is now the largest industry in the state of Delaware, it’s just the wrong place to put dollars."
Staff writer Drew Volturo can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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From the Delaware State News: Lawmakers eye slots for new revenue
Proposal would increase state’s share from casinos
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
DOVER — When it comes to the slot machines that bring in millions of dollars in nickels, dimes and quarters each year, state lawmakers want a bigger piece of the action.
Faced with a projected $217.3 million revenue shortfall and a desire to raise half of it through tax and fee increases, a group of legislators floated a proposal Wednesday to increase the state’s share of slots revenue, which could generate $38.1 million annually.
According to financial reports from the Delaware State Lottery Office, over the last five years, the tracks have collectively realized a total of $1.36 billion from slot-machine revenue.
Rep. Deborah D. Hudson, R-Wilmington, said that the budget crunch has forced lawmakers to turn to its "business partners, the casinos" to split the slots revenue 50-50.
She noted that the three casinos — Delaware Park, Dover Downs and Harrington Raceway & Casino — collected about 47.5 percent of net revenue ($301.9 million) in fiscal 2007, while the state’s share was 35.5 percent, or $225.7 million.
"We get significantly less," Rep. Hudson said. "We have established them as a monopoly, and given these economic times, it’s time for them to pony up.
"I can’t go to my constituents and say we’re going to raise taxes without going for a split with the casinos."
But Dover Downs CEO Edward Sutor said the casinos have expenses and taxes that eat up the bulk of those revenues, leaving the Dover racino with 12 percent in profit.
"The state’s share is almost three times that," Mr. Sutor said. "The state gets the biggest chunk, while we get left with the rest of the costs.
"It doesn’t sound like a lot, 6 percent, but the bottom line is we only make 12 percent … (The proposal) could put a big damper on all three casinos with how much investment we could put into the facility."
Dover Downs, Mr. Sutor said, has invested millions of dollars into its casino operations, building a 500-room hotel and completing a massive $56 million expansion this year.
The proposal would not affect the revenues that are dedicated for horsemen and the vendors supplying and maintaining the slot machines.
Under the measure, the state and the casinos each would get about 41.5 percent of the net revenue, phased in over three years, with the state getting 2 percent more and the racinos 2 percent less each year.
Based on fiscal 2007 revenue, that would translate into an additional $12.7 million being dumped into state coffers in fiscal 2009, $25.7 million in 2010 and $38.1 million when fully implemented.
Slots currently is the state’s fourth-largest revenue source.
"At one time, you could have justified this disproportionate take," said Rep. Gregory F. Lavelle, R-Wilmington. "The tracks took a risk and invested considerable capital in new slot-machine facilities. At the time, no one knew if they’d be a success.
"Those days are long over. The tracks have enjoyed a mind-bogglingly lucrative monopoly on slots gaming and have been more than compensated for their initial risk."
Supporters of the measure noted that the casinos could get a monetary boost if discussions to expand their operating hours on Sundays and allowing them to open on Christmas and Easter come forward as proposals.
The Video Lottery Advisory Council has estimated that allowing play on Sunday mornings could generate an additional $6.7 million annually, while play on the holidays would generate another $1.9 million each year.
Rep. Hudson said she intends to circulate the bill for signatures before filing it, and she hopes to hold a hearing for it in the House Revenue and Finance Committee, which she chairs, Tuesday.
Staff writer Drew Volturo can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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| So? The problem is with the residents here now paying more to support the developers who are bringing in more sheep.
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Hartlyboy wrote: Looking at the articles in the local papers detailing the 'anguish' our state legislators are going through and noticing the 'drip' about how taxes might have to go up on alcohol, gross receipts, etc., , it is surprising that there is no mention of increasing the tax the development industry. These people have been responsible for much of the additional state costs as the result of their very profitable approach to paving the state over and yet the legislators don't even think about a tax on them? Why not a developer tax on every new development over 5 houses? Not an increase in the transfer tax or the miniscule 'impact fee' but an actual tax on the developer company , just like on GM or DuPont. If there already is such a tax , increase it 2x or so. Put a tax on the sale of farmland for development of say 2%. Let the people who have contributed so much to the need for the extra money for schools and other infrastructure give back a little now that crunch time has arrived. The developers would only pass the tax onto the home buyer.
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Things I think the state can do to cut budget with out affecting the schools, and saving on energy cost to boot.
1. Cut all un-necessary lights and office equipment off every day , start using sun light no power light during the day hours.
2.Cut down to a 4 day week .
3. Sell off all of the un-used fleet of cars and trucks ( this will cut insurance , fuel cost)
4. Have state employees clean and maintain their own offices.
This will cut down on hiring a cleaning staff .
They take the trash out at home and sweep their floors ect... no reason they can't clean up after them selves at work.
5. Instead of having building opened all month long 7 nights a week for after hour meeting . Cut it down to one night , one building per county.
6. Cut out all un-necessary staff
7. I think all business other then , police , hospital , fire houses should be ordered to shut down on Sunday including gas stations. I would like to see this happen for one month but one day would make a difference !
8. If the state would , have drug testing on these parents that we are paying for their housing , day care health cost and food. It may cost at first but will save us in the long run .
Clean or no assistance should be the state policy .
One more thing I would cut out most of the bi-polar and adhd diagnoses that are being claimed by state and school officials to get income for the over load of children coming into the schools. Yes this will affect the schools but in the long run it will save the state money that in turn be spent on better education.
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| Looking at the articles in the local papers detailing the 'anguish' our state legislators are going through and noticing the 'drip' about how taxes might have to go up on alcohol, gross receipts, etc., , it is surprising that there is no mention of increasing the tax the development industry. These people have been responsible for much of the additional state costs as the result of their very profitable approach to paving the state over and yet the legislators don't even think about a tax on them? Why not a developer tax on every new development over 5 houses? Not an increase in the transfer tax or the miniscule 'impact fee' but an actual tax on the developer company , just like on GM or DuPont. If there already is such a tax , increase it 2x or so. Put a tax on the sale of farmland for development of say 2%. Let the people who have contributed so much to the need for the extra money for schools and other infrastructure give back a little now that crunch time has arrived.
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| The tax has shown up on the last two month's billings. The Netflix contact said Delawatre just told them about it. Since national outfits like that have a pretty savvy bunch of people looking out for the tax angles, I have to assume this is something new. I certainly hadn't heard about it being enacted, hence my paranoid concern that the gummint is slipping in new, unheralded taxation.
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I've known we've had a tax on non-rental movies for a while; was this to bring them in line with video stores, or a new tax?
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| On the subject of the budget crisis, I just learned tonight that at some point our legislators slipped in a 2% rental tax on mailed movies. My Netflix bill in the last two months increased slightly and the contact person in Netflix says it is because Delaware informed them they had to collect this tax. I wonder how many other stealth taxes are waiting to grab us....
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Grant applications usually include a budget of the how the money will be used. It does not include the whole organizations budget. An organization asks for 400k and says only 30k will be used for the directors salary. It is accepted regardless of what other money the director gets as salary. If the agency decides to increase the salary it does not effect the grant as long as the grant money is spent as budgeted.
Last I checked the Senior center in Dover has 7 revenue lines with 4 sub revenue lines. Only one is included in the request for state money. As far as auditors or CPA's I just have to say look at all the companies who lost billions from illegal accounting tricks that were never discovered by auditors. Our state auditors office does not hire the best either and never will so they are at best second guessing anything they audit. Ever wonder why they always catch fraud many years after the fact and never during the fraud?
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From the Delaware State News: Community agency funds threatened
Senior centers, drug help groups cut by state panel
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
DOVER — Senior centers, community groups and cultural, health and alcohol- and drug-abuse organizations had their state funding slashed by 8 percent Wednesday, leaving some groups to figure out how to make ends meet.
The legislative Joint Finance Committee cut $2.1 million from a proposed $47.7 million grant-in-aid budget for fiscal 2009 but did not touch the state’s volunteer fire companies or veterans organizations, which comprise $6.9 million of the spending plan.
As the largest senior center in Delaware, Dover’s Modern Maturity Center likely wouldn’t lose the full 8 percent, but executive director Carolyn Fredricks said the impact still will be felt and could result in some program cuts.
"Everyone has to bite the bullet so we can get to the bottom line and make everything fit," said Rep. Nancy H. Wagner, R-Dover, who serves on the JFC.
"It’s sure going to have an impact on those groups. You look at the total amount they’re getting and you hope they can work around it. It’s difficult to cut those funds."
Lawmakers are looking to close a $217.3 million gap between revenue projections and the governor’s proposed $3.41 billion budget through a series of budget cuts and tax and fee increases.
During its two weeks of hearings that concluded last week, the JFC cut $40.5 million from the 2009 budget, and slashed another $26.6 million Wednesday, including the $2.1 million from grant-in-aid.
All of those decisions must be approved by the entire General Assembly when voting on the final budget document later this month.
JFC member Sen. Bruce C. Ennis, D-Smyrna, a former Citizens’ Hose Co. fire chief, said he was relieved that the committee did not cut funding for the fire companies.
"Everyone seemed receptive to helping the fire companies, especially ambulances," said Sen. Ennis, noting that skyrocketing gas prices have put a strain on the departments.
"(Any cuts) would’ve had a major impact on the operation of ambulances and fire engines."
But Sen. Ennis noted that there are still plenty of cuts that could be made in the coming days and the fire companies could be revisited, which would fall in line with state budget officials’ mantra that "all options are on the table."
"I think, philosophically, that as we work through these cuts, everyone should be part of the solution," said Office of Management and Budget director Jennifer W. Davis.
The JFC snipped $583,016 from $7.4 million for senior centers statewide, although not all facilities would be hit with an 8-percent funding cut.
JFC co-chair Rep. William A. Oberle Jr., R-Newark, said that the amount each center receives — and would be cut — is based on a formula that takes into account the facility’s efficiency and services it provides to seniors.
Those that offer more services and serve more seniors would lose a smaller percentage of funding. The Modern Maturity Center will be affected.
"One of the areas that will be cut is the mileage reimbursement for drivers for our Meals on Wheels program, and that’s mainly seniors who volunteer to drive," said Ms. Fredricks.
"At this point, we realize that the state has had to make difficult decisions, and that’s forced us to make difficult decisions."
The senior center received more than $450,000 in the 2008 grant-in-aid bill. Ms. Fredricks said that until it is determined exactly how much will be cut, it is difficult to determine whether the Modern Maturity Center will have to charge more for services or eliminate some services.
Other organizations will face an across-the-board 8-percent cut in grant-in-aid funding.
Dover nonprofit homeless shelter Shepherd Place received $52,000 in the 2008 grant-in-aid bill and stands to lose $4,160, which director Lakena Hammond said will leave the facility searching for ways to cut costs.
"We have to figure out other ways to cut expenses," Ms. Hammond said. "We might not turn the air conditioning on, well, maybe at all until we hit 90 (degrees). We need to look at everything.
"I hope other agencies (that provide funding for the shelter) don’t follow suit or we won’t be able to stay open."
Other agencies that stand to lose significant funding include Food Bank of Delaware ($20,560), Kent-Sussex Industries ($8,000), Aid in Dover Inc. ($7,520) and Delmarva Rural Ministries ($5,100).
Staff writer Drew Volturo can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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Two points...
I don't think there are that many grant in aid organizations that have 100K salaried people. Most are about half that, and many are all volunteer organizations.
Second, that is not how the budget process works. It is possible, I guess, to "hide" these dollars, but these organizations are all subject to being audited, and they do not want to get caught doing this.
Now....I would be naive to say that the state grant helps in indirect ways (that is the point, after all), but you would have to give me a few specific examples for me to accept your hypothetical example.
I've seen too many debates at too high of a level to think that there is much hanky-panky gone on with this money. Heck, the organization I am on the board of had a long debate whether or not we can even count the money we get from the state as "matching funds" for another grant.
And, for the record, this state wide organization has nobody who gets any percentage of any fund raising.
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Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 01:36 pm |
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Case in point. An organization highers a director at 75k a year. The director goes out and gets a grant from the state for 400k and includes in the budget request a portion of the salary 30k to be paid out of the grant money. Acceptable and is generally done in all grant in aid requests.
However the organization calculates the 10 percent plus salary owed her to be 115k and pays her the 30k from grant and the rest 85k from normal salary line. IN effect her salary increased to 85k to make up for the portion of contribution.
This negates any legal qualifications that may be effected. Where does the salary money come from and it is normal contributions that do not have any restrictions.
Again to easy.
I say we should get rid of all state funded programs for charity. If it is needed let the people donate not taxpayer money.
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