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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 10:35 pm |
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| Delaware does not have a deficit. It is constitutionally prohibited. Delaware has been told by the politicians who sit on DEFAC that estimated revenue will be down by X dollars over the next two years. The day we have a deficit is the day citizens get to throw them all in jail where they might just belong.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 05:59 pm |
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HB....thanks for the softball.
The reason that we have a deficit isn't because we spent more then we ever had...it is that the revenues that were expected to come in have come in way, way beneath what they were projected to be because of the economic "slowdown" and the extent of it.
I've been on this board for a couple of years now, and every year the state underestimates the money that is coming in and gets reamed by some on this board when they announce they have more money than expected. It is part of some big, evil, liberal plot to keep themselves in power, versus taking a prudent step to underspend what they expect to come in.
Here is my bottom line....I've worked for private industry, I've worked for regulated private companies, I've worked in the military, I've worked for the federal government, and I've worked with the state government....and I can't really say that any one of them "wastes" more money than any other. They have different priorities and different systems, but I've seen way more nepotism in some private companies than even in the worst of state agencies. I've also seen private companies adopt practices for cost cutting or hiring that were in place in the government years ago.
I'm not saying that there isn't some cuts that could/should be made, but let's say that we decide to save money by not hiring prison guards, and just rely on overtime (and yes...even if someone works OT and makes double his or her salary it is still cheaper then hiring another employee).....is this good? Is it safe? And doesn't it have it's own set of problems?
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| OK, I'll ask the question..How does the bad 'national economy' relate to the current Delaware budget crisis? What Federal money is being denied our prodigious spenders in Dover? Could it be that our state has managed to create it's own problems without any outside help?
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| Edited to reposition on appropriate thread. Last edited on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 04:45 pm by tspong
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 12:07 pm |
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Nah.....
The rainy day fund is still our tax money. It's time to do just what we are finally doing in Delaware, cutting spending.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 12:01 pm |
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Nah.
See, let's say that the budget was a bit less then it was today. The reason we need the cuts is because of the bad national economy, so any decrease in revenue would be proportional...so we'd probably be having the same issues regardless of the size of the budget.
Maybe it is time to tap the rainy day fund....again, I suspect some combination of solutions to the problem.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 11:01 am |
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You can thank all the liberals who voted for Governors Carper and Minner.
When Pete DuPont was Governor of this State it was fiscally sound.
However, with the influx of refugees from New Jersey, New York, Mass, Conn
and Pa, I am afraid you have seen the last of a Republican Governor in
Delaware. They flee from states that have taxed them to death and then
continue to vote Democratic ( the party of TAX AND SPEND). If the government
continues to reward its citizens for being irresponsible, they will not look
for ways to fend for themselves and become productive members of society.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 10:26 am |
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The state did it to itself. Creative financing along with creative politics. Common thread "GREED" AND WE LOST. Everyone in the Dept of Finance needs to be fired for failure do their JOB and now your ass kissing days are over. Dems and Repubs are all the same...... You rate them an "F" for failure.Last edited on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 10:27 am by Legends457
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 04:39 am |
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Playing the Game wrote: It would seem logical to "86" all day, day care for whiny parents, dump the needle exchange program for addicted Democrats, and sell a couple of golf courses and needless state office buildings that only benefit the friends of the legislature.
We might also want to look at school district waste, DelDOT abuses, Park programs that no one attends, and additional entitlement programs that only benefit the wastral segment of society, before we consider raising taxes.
Hell I'm all for scanning the bars at night, looking all those poor single mother who can't afford to support their children cause the dead beat dad 's are in jail or dealing drugs some where over the rain bow and refuse to get a job so law abiding folk have to support their children.
I don't care if people have vices , but why at mine and others expense.
My thinking iF they have the money to party they can cut down on abusing the system.
Strange , how they can't pay their rent, pay all their child care , buy food to feed the children but can party all night !
Hell taxes could be lowered if only someone only used their brain we would have to go off to see the wizzard
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 03:15 am |
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| And that is why Liberal programs have led us down this path of self destruction. Thanks for the synopsis Fred.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 02:20 am |
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I suspect that BOTH things will happen. The state budget will be cut, and every agency will be affected...but there is a belief that a 10% cut in one year is too much, so they will probably split the difference and institute some tax increases.
The problem is that many of these programs, such as the needle exchange program, SAVE money. It is hard for some to understand, but it is a well established fact that money spent on prevention of most "bad things"...be they drug abuse, pregnancy, alcoholism....saves roughly 10 dollars for every 1 spent, and it shouldn't be that hard to figure out why.
Let's say that a pregnancy program (not just the proven useless "keep your legs crossed" ones that have seen states who have adopted them have their teen pregnancy rates sky rocket) costs $1,000 for a school. All it has to do is reach 1 kid NOT to have another kid and the math works pretty well.
We have to be careful when we start cutting the budget that we don't "save" a few dollars this year and have a bigger problem next year.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 01:33 am |
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It would seem logical to "86" all day, day care for whiny parents, dump the needle exchange program for addicted Democrats, and sell a couple of golf courses and needless state office buildings that only benefit the friends of the legislature.
We might also want to look at school district waste, DelDOT abuses, Park programs that no one attends, and additional entitlement programs that only benefit the wastral segment of society, before we consider raising taxes.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 01:29 am |
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How will congress get their raises, if taxes aren't raised ?
How will they be able to have an expense fund, if taxes aren't raised ?
What about paying for their gas and utilities, if taxes aren't raised ?
Oh yes, let us not for get their health care, that we the tax payers are paying for.
I just found out if a person makes more then 800.00 a month , they make to much to get health state health care , but that same person pays taxes so Congress can have free health care.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 10:16 pm |
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Well folks I have it on good authority that sometime before the session ends in June, the General Assembly will be (drum roll please) Raising your taxes!
Yes it is suicide, but my inside contact says they have the votes to do it in the house, maybe a small fight in the senate, but in the end, our legislators pretty much conceded that they have no choice...this message is coming from Bill Oberle in the house...so there you have it, taxes will be raised!
My contact says the house majority is pretty much in agreement, that the cuts we all got back in 98 have to go to bring the budget back into balance.
You heard it here first!
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 06:53 pm |
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| Z -- Gotcha!! Agreed! Where do I vote?
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 06:34 pm |
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Two Cents wrote: Zymergy wrote: How about starting with each school loses one Asst principle, and anoyone making over 90k takes a 12% pay cut. That won't work either, Z -- not enough of them to cut from. Your suggestion to group all teachers of certain subjects, within the individual districts would work, though. Lay-off 10% of the high school English teachers from each district, 10% of all the high school math teachers from each district, 10% of all the elementary school reading teachers from each district, etc. Immediately discharge all teacher's aides.
That "anyone making over 90k" was referring to the Admin on top of cutting the teachers.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 06:15 pm |
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| Joanna -- with your suggestion, I am in agreement.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 06:14 pm |
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Zymergy wrote: How about starting with each school loses one Asst principle, and anoyone making over 90k takes a 12% pay cut.
That won't work either, Z -- not enough of them to cut from. Your suggestion to group all teachers of certain subjects, within the individual districts would work, though. Lay-off 10% of the high school English teachers from each district, 10% of all the high school math teachers from each district, 10% of all the elementary school reading teachers from each district, etc. Immediately discharge all teacher's aides.Last edited on Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 06:14 pm by Two Cents
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| Before you start decreasing the salaries of the teachers, you should decrease the salaries of the administrators. Why do we need to have 3, 4 and more Vice-Principals making $90,000.00+ a year? For what? Most of the time they're not even in the building. What do they do to earn that type of salary? If you were to decrease their salaries or even cut these schools back by even one Vice-Principal each there would be a lot more money to put into the budget without touching the teachers.
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Never work Two Cents, what if you randomly cut all the English teachers who will teach the Science guy. I guess you could work it out so that you group teachers by subject and do it randomly. Even still if the sports coaches are required to be teachers do you think they will be sending them to the curb. There is a lot of if's, and's or butt's in there!

How about starting with each school loses one Asst principle, and anoyone making over 90k takes a 12% pay cut.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 05:27 pm |
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tspong wrote: What do you think?
From the Delaware State News: Time, Money Pinch Schools
Possible cuts alarm teachers
Let's find out what the teachers and schools really think -- let the teachers agree to work next year for 10% less salary than they now make, or subject all teachers to random lay-offs, irrespective of skills, longevity, etc. to get the cost numbers where they need to be.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 05:16 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News: Time, Money Pinch Schools
Possible cuts alarm teachers
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
DOVER — Across the state, Barbara Grogg hears the concerns echoing.
The Delaware State Education Association president has heard from teachers about the 8-percent cuts the state has asked school districts and charter schools to make to their proposed 2009 budgets, and they aren’t happy.
"Our teachers are pretty upset about it," Ms. Grogg said Tuesday. "There’s a great deal of anxiety out there."
That’s because to slice $80 million-$85 million from public education’s $1.15 billion budget request, districts would most likely need to cut personnel — teachers — with Office of Management and Budget director Jennifer W. Davis noting that up to 1,500 educators could be affected under a preliminary estimate.
And while state budget officials and lawmakers have said they do not want to resort to layoffs to close a projected $373.7 million revenue shortfall, school districts are working with a different clock from the rest of the state agencies.
Districts are contractually obligated to inform teachers by May 15 whether their positions will be eliminated as part of an annual reduction in force (RIF), far earlier than when the final operating budget is assembled, often in late June.
"There’s no question that the May 15 date has raised the awareness of the magnitude of the loss of revenue has had and its impact on the state budget," said Sen. Nancy W. Cook, D-Kenton, who co-chairs the budget-writing Joint Finance Committee.
"I think the dialogue within the (party) caucuses and educational process going on there is creating a lot of discussion throughout (Legislative) Hall."
But that dialogue hasn’t done much to assuage the worries permeating the schools.
A former Dover High English teacher, Rep. Nancy H. Wagner said she has been flooded with e-mails and calls from teachers.
"They are very worried and are assuming the worst," said Rep. Wagner, R-Dover, who also sits on JFC. "It’s really a wake-up call that this is a severe issue."
Each year, school districts issue reduction-in-force notices to teachers, but in several cases, those teachers let go are rehired to meet student-unit-count requirements.
In a year in which districts are being asked to cut 8 percent from their upcoming budgets, Rep. Wagner and Ms. Grogg are worried that districts might make deeper cuts than actually needed.
"Because the May 15 cutoff is so early, they might be erring on the side of caution and giving RIF notices to everyone that might be affected, and then if they can absorb the cuts without laying off people, then they can go back and rehire people," Rep. Wagner said.
But that could present a huge problem down the line, Ms. Grogg said.
"It causes a great deal of stress," she said. "Hopefully, (the districts) would restore a lot of positions, but those teachers may well try to find jobs in other states, and we’d lose teachers to neighboring states."
Despite belonging to a union, there aren’t many protections for teachers in this situation, Ms. Grogg said.
There are protections with regard to how the RIF process is carried out, but there is nothing preventing school districts from reducing staff size accordingly.
Most union contracts, she said, call for the least experienced teachers to be eliminated first — "the last hired are the first to go" — but there also is consideration given to what subject a teacher covers.
With the May 15 deadline looming, Mrs. Davis said public education is the first arena in which the proposed 2009 budget cuts will be felt.
"Public education doesn’t have the luxury to wait," said Mrs. Davis, a former deputy education secretary. "It’s troubling. It’s challenging."
State revenue estimates have fallen by $373.7 million since December — $160.5 million for this year and $213.2 million for fiscal 2009.
Last month, Gov. Ruth Ann Minner implemented a hiring freeze and instructed state agencies to slash spending this year by $100 million-$150 million and to cut their 2009 requests by 8 percent.
Mrs. Davis said 8 percent in cuts would slice about $250 million out of the 2009 proposed $3.41 billion budget. Public education comprises about one-third of the proposed spending plan.
Mrs. Davis noted that the 8-percent cuts are designed to give budget officials and lawmakers a snapshot of what state government would look like if they cut their way out of the financial hole.
Legislators could look to revenue enhancements — tax or fee increases or other methods — to raise money.
During an economic downturn six years ago, the governor and legislature approved $150 million in budget cuts and a $150 million revenue package.
And while lawmakers have said they want to avoid layoffs, there is a need for other solutions to offset the revenue shortfall.
Rep. Peter C. Schwartzkopf, D-Rehoboth Beach, said he wants to see cuts in school-district administrations before cuts in the classroom.
Rep. Wagner said district superintendents could get together and decide on programs that could be eliminated across the state.
Sen. David P. Sokola, D-Newark, has proposed suspending the Delaware Student Testing Program for one year, which could save the state $10 million.
Sen. Sokola said doing away with the DSTP for a year would require a federal waiver, but Delaware’s movement toward a new exam might help that effort.
"It seems ludicrous to continue the most expensive assessment per student in the country when we’re going to replace it," Sen. Sokola said. "I’d much rather have $10 million worth of teachers than $10 million of assessments."
Post your opinions in the public issues forum at newszap.com.Staff writer Drew Volturo can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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Cleveland wrote: Trim the fat at DTI. Start by killing the PeopleSoft Financials project and ultimately save the State $50 million. Then look at the useless Directors (i.e. "Would you use someone else's toothbrush")
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| Trim the fat at DTI. Start by killing the PeopleSoft Financials project and ultimately save the State $50 million. Then look at the useless Directors (i.e. "Would you use someone else's toothbrush")
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| Maybe that new DSP helicopter should be returned to the vendor for credit on our account?
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tspong wrote: What do you think?
"I’d put a ‘for sale’ sign on the front of the state’s two golf courses," Rep. Hudson said of Deerfield Golf and Tennis Club in Newark and Garrisons Lake Golf Club near Smyrna.
"I would also repeal the prevailing wage, which could save $27-$100 million a year on state construction projects … We need to really look hard before we talk about raising taxes.
Great places to begin -- another would be a for sale sign on the training center the state purchased from MBNA or Bank of America which is not needed, pull back the $7 million allocated to a civic center (also not needed).
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From the Delaware State News: $100 million more needs slicing
Davis: Next round of budget cuts will be ‘painful’
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
NEW CASTLE — State budget officials announced Monday that they need to make an additional $100 million in "painful" budget cuts for this fiscal year, despite already slicing $74.7 million in the last month.
Those cuts could include programs, personnel or capital projects previously funded that haven’t begun construction.
The decision was reached after Delaware Economic and Financial Advisory Council determined that state revenue estimates, which already plummeted $326.4 million last month, fell another $47.3 million.
Revenues declined $34.6 million this year and $12.7 million in fiscal 2009, although 2008’s figure was cushioned by the cuts budget officials and the General Assembly made last week.
""This is the first round, and intrinsically from here, the cuts become more painful," Office of Management and Budget director Jennifer W. Davis said.
"Tougher choices will need to be made. We need approximately $63 million more in cuts just to get the cash balance (for 2008) to zero. We’re actually in a negative cash position right now."
Mrs. Davis said the state is targeting another $100 million to hopefully finish the fiscal year with a positive cash balance to provide funds for fiscal 2009, and keeping in mind that there are two more DEFAC meetings in which revenues could continue to change.
Although she didn’t give specifics, Mrs. Davis said those cuts could start getting into services to residents.
"It’s tough 10 months into the fiscal year to cut $100 million," she said. "We’re really into deep budget cuts now."
The $74.7 million the state has cut in the past month came from reverting appropriated capital funds, state agency cuts and delaying projects and programs such as the 2-1-1 phone number to route callers to health and human services referrals.
One area where Mrs. Davis said budget officials and lawmakers could look to slice spending is capital projects — school and road construction, building renovations and other expenditures — that have been appropriated in previous years but haven’t been spent.
She didn’t rule out tapping the state’s rainy day fund or spending above its self-imposed 98-percent limit, but noted that the state constitution requires an unexpected situation and an emergency to use the rainy day fund.
Mrs. Davis said there will be more "grueling" state agency cuts in the next several weeks, and they will require the cooperation of the General Assembly and Gov. Ruth Ann Minner.
Rep. Deborah D. Hudson, R-Wilmington, who sits on DEFAC, had several ideas to produce some cash for the state.
"I’d put a ‘for sale’ sign on the front of the state’s two golf courses," Rep. Hudson said of Deerfield Golf and Tennis Club in Newark and Garrisons Lake Golf Club near Smyrna.
"I would also repeal the prevailing wage, which could save $27-$100 million a year on state construction projects … We need to really look hard before we talk about raising taxes."
Rep. Hudson thinks the state can cut its budget, noting that the state has seen 8 percent in cumulative growth in government the last three years.
For 2008, the estimated abandoned-property revenue dropped by $29 million to $340 million, but DEFAC revenue subcommittee chair Dr. Kenneth Lewis said it could have been worse if not for legislation the General Assembly passed.
Last week, lawmakers approved legislation that reverted $41.1 million in appropriated funds back to Delaware’s general fund, $24 million of which was abandoned-property revenue that normally is funneled to the Transportation Trust Fund.
"We’ve said (abandoned property) is volatile and can drop $50 million between (DEFAC) meetings," Dr. Lewis said. "We’re taking a hit in abandoned property, and it’s a big hit."
Net personal income tax and corporate income tax declined by $5 million each, while realty transfer tax decreased by $2 million in 2008.
Overall, state revenue estimates have fallen by $373.7 million since December — $160.5 million this year and $213.2 million in fiscal 2009.
In a statement, Gov. Minner said she would continue to consult with her budget officials to balance the current fiscal year and "develop a responsible budget" for 2009.
"As I have said many times, all options are on the table, but I will work to minimize the impact of our decisions on our schools," Gov. Minner said.
After last month’s DEFAC meeting, Gov. Minner implemented a hiring freeze and instructed state agencies to slash spending this year by $100 million-$150 million and to cut their 2009 requests by 8 percent.
"We know 8-percent cuts generate about $250 million, but we also know they have significant implications for public education, health and social services and across the board," Mrs. Davis said.
"I think it’s critical that taxpayers realize what is before the state … simply doing budget cuts will result in loss of services."
Mrs. Davis noted that public education and health and social services comprise about 61 percent of the governor’s proposed $3.41 billion operating budget.
But she also pointed out that there are options with how to proceed with the anticipated cuts, including slashing other agencies more heavily. The final say will rest with the General Assembly.
Sen. Nancy W. Cook, D-Kenton, said there are going to have to be serious discussions among lawmakers, especially those who serve on the two money committees, the Joint Finance Committee, which crafts the operating budget, and Joint Bond Bill, which writes the capital budget.
"If you have the philosophy that there won’t be layoffs, when you reach the point of that amount of money, you’re looking at cutting programs," said Sen. Cook, a JFC co-chair.
"It’s very easy to say we can cut our way out of this, but I don’t know if we can live with what that means."
Sen. Cook shied away from suggesting that layoffs could be in order, but noted that any programs that might be cut likely have personnel associated with them.
"I’m not sure (state workers) should be worried, but they should recognize that we are in tough economic times," Sen. Cook said. "However, I have been here through six economic downturns and we have never turned to layoffs.
"It doesn’t help because then you have to pay unemployment, and those people then aren’t paying personal income tax."
Staff writer Drew Volturo can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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curiousindover wrote: We quibble and complain about our problems, but they are minimal when compared with the rest of the world. Lester Brown, Founder and President of the Earth Policy Institute puts is in a much clearer view in his book, Outgrowing the Earth. And we think we have it bad? “Many Americans see terrorism as the principal threat to security,” said Brown, “but for much of humanity, the effect of water shortages and rising temperatures on food security are far more important issues. For the 3 billion people who live on 2 dollars a day or less and who spend up to 70 percent of their income on food, even a modest rise in food prices can quickly become life-threatening. For them, it is the next meal that is the overriding concern.” In Delaware, school districts should be consolidated, capital spending curtailed or stopped, we don't need new and expensive bridges or two engined helicopters. Mandatory sentencing has been a sham and our corporate and gambling revenue taxes need revision. These are easy fixes. When will people wake up! Just curious.
In Delaware, school districts should be consolidated, capital spending curtailed or stopped, we don't need new and expensive bridges or two engined helicopters. Mandatory sentencing has been a sham and our corporate and gambling revenue taxes need revision. These are easy fixes. When will people wake up! Just curious.
You got that right. We dont need more tax money collected we need better spending and to make the corps pay their fair share including on the federal level. Unless of course congress is going to allow us the individual to send our profit off shore before its taxed.
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We quibble and complain about our problems, but they are minimal when compared with the rest of the world. Lester Brown, Founder and President of the Earth Policy Institute puts is in a much clearer view in his book, Outgrowing the Earth. And we think we have it bad? “Many Americans see terrorism as the principal threat to security,” said Brown, “but for much of humanity, the effect of water shortages and rising temperatures on food security are far more important issues. For the 3 billion people who live on 2 dollars a day or less and who spend up to 70 percent of their income on food, even a modest rise in food prices can quickly become life-threatening. For them, it is the next meal that is the overriding concern.” In Delaware, school districts should be consolidated, capital spending curtailed or stopped, we don't need new and expensive bridges or two engined helicopters. Mandatory sentencing has been a sham and our corporate and gambling revenue taxes need revision. These are easy fixes. When will people wake up! Just curious.
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skjuda - Referencing yours. Apologies for the length.
1. Any government entity is only as good as those who still care enough to vote favor. Freedom loving folks select like thinkers, and those who have fallen for the pronouncements of Socialism and Communism vote for the similarly misinformed. Unfortunately, the latter control most of public education because of their direct election thru popular vote or indirect thru selection by the representatives of the...well, "governed." We have ongoing steps towards improvement, such as school choice, charterization, privatization, and home schooling.
In other words, most voters these days don't know history or current events, and vote per their emotions, wallet, or celebrity endorsement. Describing them as adult 2 year olds is being extremely polite, but this is civiized discourse.
The result is governmental financial "crises" that are largely manufactured, such as what we in Delaware have, so that the populace will succumb to legislative rhetoric about needing "new sources of revenue." Not needed. Just get out of involvement in things not Constitutionally authorized, and the pennies will resume piling up.
Remember, folks, that the legislative session ends on June 30, and there's General Election on November 4. These folks want to keep their authority to rule over the citizenry (as opposed to safeguarding the Constitution for all of us). Between now and one of those dates, they will find a pot of gold at the end of another rainbow, and all will be right with their world.
2. Please note in mine that there are plenty of philanthropists who donate to causes that help those of lesser economic means. If we fully privatized education, those folks might expand their efforts, and others might open their checkbooks. Article 10 may once have helped, but with mass communication being what it is today, it's hardly needed. Courses can be put on CD, for example.
3. Regarding the last sentence above, it would appear to be a much better learning tool to have courses such as high school calculus (among many others) available on CD. Then, the student can learn at a reasonable pace, and difficult sections can be replayed unitl mastered. Also, no class disruptions, and any peer pressure is largely because the kid opened his or her mouth to their friends.
4. A private school can establish its own busing program. And, again, with CD courses, many students may be studying at home most of the time. Result - no bus needed. (And yes, parents have to monitor events to ensure achievement. This means staying home at night instead of going to the mall, casino, or bar. Gee, you know, if you have time to conceive a child, you find a way to have the time to raise them, and that inculdes educating them!)
5. Who monitors what's taught? Certainly not the state. It's been proven that they'll screw it up, and have to create more programs to fix what's a mess. Hence, the DSTP (which, if I were a student and subjected to, would contain a few right answers as I could possibly put down. I encourage any student reading this to "bag that test.")
Private schools make their own rules and decide their own curriculum. Your Trump example...well, a few of them will certainly exist, but they'll wash themselves out. Privatization, for profit will force a different curriculum. I'd think most of them would emphasize the good things we have here in the US of A, emphasize personal achievement and making the most of individual, God-given talents.
Total savings - well in excess of $1.1 billion. Problem solved.
Now, I am smart enough to realize that repealing Article 10 and closing down the public school system in Delaware ain't gonna happen. Despite the truth that "a rising tide lifts all boats," too many folks would object, and federal injunctions stopping proceedings would abound. Also, too many Delaware legislators make their main living off a school system somewhere in the state (Nancy Wagner is not the only one who did) and have a vested interest in keeping it going.
Maybe publishing the report cards and final grades in the basic subjects for sudents in grades 7-12 would encourage students to perform better academically and socially, and force parents to ensure same. No DSTP needed, as few kids, and fewer parents, want their children know as "academically challenged." This might also spur the sales of the CD teaching, as above described.
Of course, that makes way too much good sense, and doesn't preserve the jobs for the educational incompetents who couldn't cut it in a classroom. So, again, we have the monstrosity.
Also, the teacher of a basic course should be required to develop his or her final exam before he school year, and get it OK'd by the subject coordinator. Show the test to students on the first day of class, and intermittently thereafter, and make it clear that they will be responsible for what's on the exam, even if it's not covered in class. Class discipline might improve, as disruptions lessen the time a teacher has to teach.
A snowball has a better chance of surviving 10 minutes with Lucifer in July than the above. Same reason - too much academic freedom.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 10:40 pm |
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Our leaders in state government are grappling for ways to keep government afloat. I think the revenue shortfall will not be as bad as now projected any more than it was as good as projected 3 months ago. Nonetheless, they are the best numbers we have and we have to make tough decisions. Our leaders could use fresh ideas. Let’s play cut that budget.
Here are my top ten in no order of priority.
Repeal the new prevailing wage law because it is not the real prevailing wage. I am all for a decent living wage in government contracts, but it makes no sense to cancel projects and have no wages. Balance is a good thing.
Allow more competition in the state supplier list by opening it up to new suppliers every quarter for mundane items and simplify the process. Many times it is cheaper to go to Sam’s or Staples than buy from the state’s approved list. If a company can come up with a great deal, why make them wait a year or more to offer it.
Let’s get a performance audit of the Medicaid plan and the SChip program. I don’t want to balance the budget on the backs of the poor. I just want to find where the system is working and where it is not.
Sentencing reform would help us keep the dangerous people incarcerated and eliminate silly mandatory minimums for nonviolent offenders. Drug rehabilitation would be money better spent than mandatory minimum sentences. Our prison system is one of the fastest growing portions of our budget yet we aren’t much safer.
Sorry, but a salary freeze has to be a given. Slight increases in employee premium shares for dependent health care seem unavoidable for now. That is painful for me to even write, but it is better than job or hour cuts.
Stop spending tax money for open spaces and help the counties establish Transfer of Development Rights banks. The key to making it work is for the cities to cooperate. We need to rebuild our cities not artificially build town centers in our counties. Livable Delaware is a failed experiment which we can no longer afford.
Deregulate school construction. Let’s allow schools to save money in construction by making sure schools are safe not dictating every detail. Why force prevailing wage on the schools? Why not allow steel buildings and cut the cost by as much as 2/3’s. Why stop a district from planning for obvious growth?
Now let me borrow a couple from Dave Burris of the Delaware Taxpayer Coalition. I agree that we need a performance audit of state government. Many of State Auditor Tom Wagner’s old recommendations are still on the shelf. Let’s find which ones are still relevant.
I also agree that we need to invite the citizens in the process with a lot more transparency. A good start would be putting the proposed budget out and on line 5 days before the vote and the bond bill 3 days before the deadline.
Finally, Let’s re-energize the process. First, we need an active sunset committee which asks of each program over the next two years, does this program fit into the purpose of state government, is it fulfilling its goals, is it effective. Second, take the budget into a committee of the whole with a rule which allows members to offer budget efficiencies or new proposals only by offsetting costs. Third, let’s set up a temporary DEFAC style committee for economic growth. Let’s get some economic, business, and community experts to recommend some approaches for the future.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 07:12 pm |
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| I have actually had the pleasure of visting several schools in Europe during my long teacher career and know what they do works. They have choice, they have 3 tiers in mayn countries, with college prep, business schools, and tech schools in every community (germany and england I have seen this) We used to ahve that same setup here a while back in many states. what happened to it? it would save a lot in the long run. So would the consolidation to the county level suggestion. I have heard that arguement quite a bit.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 06:03 pm |
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Before you throw out the idea completely about drastically changing the education approach here in the US or Del. , look at how some of the European schools are run. The parents have the option of placing their children where they can get a better education based on the parents evaluation of the schools . Lousy schools get fewer pupils. As for busing, would that be such a big loss? When did providing an education mean providing a ride to it? And breakfast or lunch while there? Do parents have no responsibility for ther welfare of their children or has it become an insidious process where 'the system' knows best and dictates to parents how their children must be accomodated and promotes the taxation needed to support the system's version of education?
The current process is not working well and we should look at any and all approaches to changing it because the children and parents who do value and want an education do deserve our support.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 06:31 am |
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What a bunch or load of crap there disgruntled, you are so wrong here it saddens me to even think of how stupid of an ideal. There are many problems with your ideal and i will only say a few here.
1 - not everyone can afford to pay for a private school and some will be forced to not attend school at all. Do you really want a whole bunch of illiterate kids running around. No pun intended since we do have some kids who can not read or write but I am talking an increase ten fold of them. You may not remember the old days when one school "the rich" had a far better system then the poorer schools but I do. The rich schools had new books and the best teachers while the poorer ones were stuck with the leftover teachers and no books. Not good for anyone. Your repeal would recreate this disparaty. Article 10 helped stop this atrocity.
2 - What would happen to busing? Do you really want 10000 parents all driving to a school to drop the kids off? Can you imagine the sheer madmess that would create? What about those parents who go to work early? Or work at night?
3 - Who would determine what is being taught (read Obama's priest) or if anything is being taught? I can imagine a school run by Donald trump where everyone gets an "A" and doesnt have to do anythng but they graduate. The Don gets the money though. From a person who hires people for jobs what kind of people will we have? Where will they work? Fast food can only handle so many and welfare can handle so many, what about the rest? NO longer do we in this country have a factory system for employing the uneducated. How about a school where Obamas priest teaches? Do you really want a whole generation of America haters on your hands? You better be for guns or your in trouble.
I am not for DOE in any sense of the matter but I propose a far better change that can be implemented very easily.
Change the school system to 3 districts - one for each county. Fire all DOE people and do away with it. Each district would be responsible for asking for funds from congress. Create a new division of government run by the justice department to watch the schools and make sure it is being run correctly. Give reporting requirements to the department of Information (formally OIS) who can do it without bias. Sue Woody for the millions she has taken and use it to fund the changes. Have the district head be an elected by the people position. Take the whole education system away from the governors office.
Total savings 1 billion over 10 years
You do the math
System solved for the better
skjuda
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| The DSEA has submitted your name to the NEA for anhialation. You can expect a knock on your door shortly. Most of taxpaying America will come rushing to your aid.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 11:34 pm |
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Mine from the CSD thread on the Dover page. I am completely serious about what you're about to read.
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I favor repealing Article 10 of the Delaware Constitution, ending the mess that is public education at least here, and rebating that $1.1 billion to the taxpayers.
The mere existence of the DSTP is sufficient reason to dismantle the public system and go 100% private.
Besides, if parents had to pony up tuition for their children to learn, they would care more. For those who have money issues, there'd still be philanthropic efforts, so don't tell me that the poor will be hardest hit. They won't be.
And, we wouldn't have these endless debates about religion and dress codes in public schools, for a private institution can endorse any religion its backers chose, or none at all. And, it can impose any dress code.
Win-win for everyone.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 10:39 pm |
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| Some good points about DOE. My comments about the cost per pupil were the total [state and local] and with 1/3 of the State budget going to education and 1/2 of that being spent in administrative arenas , the education monster doesn't get all that much sympathy , especially if you don't have children in the system. Cold, but that's reality.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 09:34 pm |
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Well actually hartlyboy, some districts won't be hurt by education cuts, others will. The smaller districts in Sussex and Kent Co's already are barely getting by after having to give back $$$ in recent years. Their class sizes are going to increase above legal limits with the types of cuts that are being asked for. Most supers will cut teachers first before other things. And btw, you pay a lot per pupil at the local level, not the state level. Local property taxes = local costs. All districts need $$$ from the state too that do not come from referendums.
I agree Ben, DELDOT is the biggest black hole in DE. They contract the building of a worthless bridge, they fix roads that are already ok enough to drive on andbuy new equipment on a free for all! They need the most trimming of the fat in the state. So does DOE (not school districts). Yes education 1/3 the state budget, but almost 1/2 of that 1/3 is for DOE NOT districts! They've got lots of stuff they could cut. Some divisions at DOE have 3-4 secretaries per one administrator. That is an outrageous ratio! Theyre spending $$$ on programs that aren't going anywhere plus a state test which no almost one likes! There's lots that could be outed in that black hole too.
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| Maybe a lot of people aren't discussing it because they don't really feel education would be hurt by cuts in the budgeted amount from the State. We pay a lot per pupil in Delaware now and the schools do have some flexibility to adjust just as you and I do when we run short. If not , you'll see another referendum, this time for operating costs. The education bureaucracy is the most entrenched in this government. they'll come out OK.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16th, 2008 09:12 pm |
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PeterGriffin wrote: Is no one discussing this issue? Education is being threatened big time with cuts!
Can someone tell me how it is that DelDot is 3 BILLION in the hole yet has bought new vehicles. I have seen 3 brand new vehicles in the last two weeks.
like i keep saying the problem isnt a lack of money its monied lackys spending badly. Example 708K of OUR money went to Kraft a mega corp. Cos they needed it more than the schools did.
Its time to vote out all current bureacraps.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16th, 2008 08:54 pm |
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| Is no one discussing this issue? Education is being threatened big time with cuts!
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