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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 11:20 am |
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What does meeting with Clinton to help retire her campaign debt have to do with his policy of change? The fact that she may want her take on issues considered?
I've said this since the beginning....what policy is it that Clinton had that was so far off from Obama? She may have had a slight difference in emphasis, but their issues were pretty much the same.
And....those who care as deeply about their meeting because of a hatred of Clinton were not going to vote for Obama, anyway....so why should he care what you think?
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 02:36 am |
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So now Obama and his financial people are meeting with Clinton and her financial people in DC next week at The Mayflower. Seems her people want Obama to understand that if he wants their money, he needs to bail out her debt.
So where is all this change you people keep talking about with Obama?
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 10:28 pm |
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Skjuda, a ways back on another posting you quoted something from Obama's book The Audacity Of Hope. I took issue with you and asked you to provide the page number which you were never able to.
In the meantime, I began reading the book for myself and said I would report on it when I finished. I just did. It took me longer to finish than I expected because I had an operation at the beginning of the month.
The quote you referenced does not exist in the book. The book was written before he sought the Democratic Party nomination for President.
The book is excellent. If you read or listened to all the misinformation about Barak Obama that has been floating around and then read this book, you would know that just about everything that people have been saying about Obama is false - just a lot of nasty, viscious rumors that were probably started by racists who cannot stand the thought of a "black" President.
Skjuda, thank you for causing me to read this book. I wish you would read it yourself - if for no other reason than to understand just how far people have been willing to go to discredit this man.
Barack Obama is about as solid a middle of the road candidate as anyone who has ever run for the U.S. Presidency. He is even handed with all the races. He is more honest than anyone else we have been exposed to during this campaign.
Barack Obama is a Christian. He has never been a Muslim. Neither he nor his wife are racists. If you read his book you will know that he has never endorsed the positions we have all seen clips of Reverend Wright espousing.
Barack Obama has uncontestable working class roots. He is from a racially mixed family and his mother and father were divorced when he was very young. He is extremely intelligent and by virtue of that intelligence he has gotten to where he is today.
It seems like there is virtually nothing that Obama does that is not immediately discounted and distorted in the often racist rumor mill that has produced most of the disinformation about him to date.
On Father's Day he spoke at a Chicago church and talked about fatherhood and directed much of what he had to say "black" men who have been fathering children and them abandoning them. He did not mince words.
Yet, when this was reported on the news, it was suggested that he did so only for political reasons. If you take the time to read his book, you will find that he has been saying this for some time and that he actually gave a similar talk several years ago at a Church in Chicago.
Skjuda, you also put up a post that purported to show where Obama was at based upon his voting record. At the time I dealt with the first item and stopped. I have since reviewed all the items. I would like to mention the one everybody likes to point to when they go after Obama. The one in which he voted to allow "partial birth abortions". Actually the legislation in question would have allowed for the early release of "violent offenders" and in order to prevent that he voted as he did. Why legislation was offered that included both the early release of violent offenders and restrictions on abortion in the same piece of legislation is beyond me.
Some things are not as simple as we would like them to be. Things are very rarely black and white, but the vast amount of lies and misinformation concerning Barack Obama may be as simple as black and white.
Skjuda, thank you for your inquiries as to my health. Thank you for the honesty you showed back when I questioned something you said about me. I do not intend to continue posting on this blog. I have been writing letters to the editor and they have been being published so I will pursue my concerns though that medium.
I really hope you will read Obama's book Skjuda. I would love to hear what you had to say about it after you read it in its entirety.
Fred, thank you again for your well wishes before my operation. I agree with a good deal of what you have to say. I'm beginning to believe you are an angel who has been assigned to monitor this blog - perhaps you are in the process of earning your wings.
Fred, an employer can fire you, but if it can be shown that that employer did so in violation of your exercise of your freedom of speech as it has come to be understood based upon our Constitution and case law, you can hold that employer accountable in court. Of course it will cost you considerably more than other forms of litigation and it might take you several decades before it is resolved. Employers have a right to fire you, but they don't have a right to violate your rights in the process.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 05:38 pm |
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So, what it comes down to is that you believe that deep down he is a Muslim, that he is lying to you about it, and you can't trust him unless he tells you that he is?
Sheesh....and I thought we could have a reasonable discussion, but if you are afraid of boogymen in the night, there is no point. There are many good reasons not to vote for him, but afraid that his name somehow means that he is a closet Muslim is not one of them.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 05:33 pm |
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I agree McCain is flip flopping to get votes but what is the worse case scenario if he is elected? He wil continue with the Bush strategies and maybe have to have his assistants tell him what day it is but nothing compared to the possibility of Obama. I think every president for the past 30 years have flip flopped when it suits them but Obama has taken it to far.
I was aked this morning at work if Obama came out and said if it is determined after he wins the nomination he is muslim which he has stated he is not a member of he would vow to quit immediately would that change my opinion of him? Hmmm I think it would ease my mind considerably but I would want that in writing and a promise that if he suddenly converts after elected that is the same thing and he would quit. I would also like to see a written statement given to the congress to back up his claim.
Another problem I would have with it is jsut because he doesnt say he is muslim his actions while president that go beyond helping the muslim world would convince me he is muslim. Closest muslim is still a muslim.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 05:23 pm |
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I don't see the lack of trust in Obama that you do, or I see more of it in McCain. He is either losing it, or simply is flip-flopping on just about every issue.
The Republicans have made a mistake by naming a good man who is now desperate to be President because he knows it is his last chance. He is compromising himself in every possible way.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 05:16 pm |
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My probelm with Obama is I do not believe him when he speaks. I am having a hard time ignoring his ties to extremists like Wright and Farragan. While I think some people have overexagerated some claims I have always believed there is half truth in most things said.
So even if only 20 percent of what is said about Obama is true that is way to much for me. I have researched his voting record and his career and it seems he is the ultimate politician. Able to spew words that everyone or those lsitening at the time what they want to hear. I believe he is Muslim but knows if he says he is that he will lose the nomination. Double speak at its best.
I have been trying recently to think of a way he could earn my trust but have been unsuccessful. I fear he will bring America to disaster that will cost many lives and possibly lead to civil war again. Can we take the chance?
When I make a decision I try and look at all options and look at the best and worse case scenarios. When I bought my land and built a house I looked at the plus of it and the worse case if I should lose my job or should I become ill and not able to work. In each case I planned for that option to make sure my family was taken care of, be it life insurance or a backup house I could get into if needed.
With Obama when I look at the worse case scenario I become very scared and have no solution if it becomes real. I bought a few guns in case I need them and have begun stockpiling supplies like medicine and food in case all heck breaks lose. I for one will not b hit over the head by rioters like the trucker in CA did. I joined a few organizations for support if needed and have been making plans on securing my property should it come to that.
As for McCain the worse case scenario is he will do the same as Bush and while I detest it I can at least handle that strategy and work to change it. Both candidates offer change but the only one to offer least worse case scenario is McCain.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 11:06 am |
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| Why not try to concentrate on why one should vote for McCain rather then these tired attempts at simply putting things out there, hoping that enough mouth-breathers half-remember them ('hey, I read on the Interent Obama swore on the Koran...it must be true'). The "quotes" from his book was a great smear tactic...most people who would even think they are true probably haven't read a book by "My Pet Pony", anyway.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 03:48 am |
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| Wow! Obama isn't a Muslim, doesn't swear on the Koran , has a wife who doesn't utter 'whitey' and , oh yes, 'has respect'. That must qualify him to be a Democrat candidate for President. Isn't it amazing how it is all coming together?
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 02:35 am |
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Anyone remember the saying " You are judged by the company you keep!"
Obama has been keeping company with RADICALS and RACISTS.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 03:43 pm |
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| Better, but he did show respect. He is not a Muslim, his wife did not say "whitey", and he did not swear on the Koran.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 03:15 pm |
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| OK Sorry re: "salute". Is Respect better?????
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 03:04 pm |
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Or, you can be like John McCain....
So a man finally got a question into McCain and he had a very different sort of question.
The questioner noted that he had been educated at Princeton and Harvard and made more than $300,000 a year.
"How can I be proud of my country?" he asked.
Get it — he was mocking Michelle Obama and her statement earlier this year that her husband had for the first time in her life made her proud of her country.
Well, McCain either missed the joke or decided to ignore it and answer the question literally. I think it was the former because the individual asking the question had a thick accent that sounded to be either Indian or Pakistani, perhaps suggesting to McCain a recent immigrant grappling with America's image abroad.
"I’ll admit to you that it’s tough, it’s tough in some respects," McCain said, seeming to lend credence to Michelle Obama's observation.
McCain said America needed to be "more humble, more inclusive......
And, for the record, I am very proud of my country....not blind, mind you, but proud of what we stand for. We don't always measure up to our ideals, but the ideals still remain. We've made mistakes, and will make mistakes, but our country is great because we CAN try to make the changes openly.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 02:58 pm |
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dover_diva wrote: This was said "tongue in cheek". (Messiah) Obama represents the next push for a great society (remember L. Johnson???) We have a sorry choice to make. The man with no experience,doesn't salute our flag,his wife is not proud to be an American,didn't think the rabid spewings of his now former minister,to be racist. I can't think of anyone less prepared to do the job of being president.
Not that I am voting for this guy but only active military personel "salute" the flag.
AND I AM NOT PROUD OF THIS COUNTRY EITHER. Whats there to be proud of?
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 02:00 pm |
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| This was said "tongue in cheek". (Messiah) Obama represents the next push for a great society (remember L. Johnson???) We have a sorry choice to make. The man with no experience,doesn't salute our flag,his wife is not proud to be an American,didn't think the rabid spewings of his now former minister,to be racist. I can't think of anyone less prepared to do the job of being president.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 03:37 am |
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| No, he is not. He is a politican, maybe a little better then most, maybe just a little bit better then who he is running against this time, but he is no Messiah.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 02:45 am |
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| Maybe yours and Jeremiah Wright's.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 01:47 am |
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Is Obama OUR new Messiah????????
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