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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 11:56 pm |
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| I wish I could have the single-mindedness to think that the candidate I want is the bestest ever, and how could anyone see how anyone else should even be considered for that job....but the last time I felt that way was when John Anderson ran for President, and I chalk that feeling up to the point I was too young to vote, anyway...
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 09:52 pm |
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Fred, you are absolutely correct.
All of the lawsuits are utterly assinine. But the one filed against Obama in Pennsylvania, by an avowed Hillary Clinton supporter, has got to take the cake for hilarity. Hawaii was a state in 1961.
McCain was born to 2 US citizens in a US territory.
By birth both men are eligible to run for and hold the office of POTUS. Eligible to hold the position is one thing, capable is an entirely different issue.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 07:07 pm |
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| No, Ben.....a lawsuit filed means nothing. The lawsuits against both candidates should not only be thrown out, but be forced to pay a frivolousness charge.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 05:37 pm |
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| I ve heard today that both Canidates have lawsuits filed against them to keep them from being appointed by their conventions as the Presidental canidate based on citizenship issues. Apparently neither are US Citizens and thus dont qualify under the constitution to be president.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:55 am |
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Fred wrote: No, the issue isn't how many houses he has, or how he acquired them. It is the fact that he couldn't answer a relatively simple question...or at least come up with an answer that didn't make him sound like he doesn't have a clue.
Actually, Fred, his answer was perfect.
Had he come up with a specific number, that later was shown to be wrong, you lefties would have been all over him for lying. Either trying to hide something by a low number, or trying to pumpp himself up with a higher number.
Did anyone push Kerry on how many houses he owned 4 years ago? Houses acquired by him through his marriage to an heiress? Why does it matter how many McCain and his wife own?
Who did Obama acquire his mansion through? How about the Biden compound? There are no heiresses there, yet he does own a former DuPont family compound.
You'll probably find this ironic, Fred, but on a right-wing forum I have actually been defending Biden on the home ownership crapola. I dislike him both personally and politically, but I really don't believe he is dishonest.
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Please stop yelling at us with such apparent anger. Settle down and have a conversation.
truthsabitterpill wrote:
Truth of the matter is, I connect more with Barack and Michele than I do with John and Cindy McCain. My world is so different than McCain's its painful. No matter what anyone says McCain could never understand what normal american people are going through - he's never been one of us and he never will be.
It does matter about experience - and I'm not talking about DC experience - I'm talking about life experience and the difference between McCain and Obama is oceans apart. I just can't see me and Cindy sitting down and having anything in common to talk about - right now she's in Georgia - sent by her husband on a humanitarian mission to find out what is going on in that region - WTF????
It's like being patted on the head by my condesending rich Aunt who knows I'm not even in the same sphere with her. It's a humanitarian junket for votes - but it won't get mine.
Once again we are sticking our noses where they don't belong. McCain needs to worry about what is going on here in the good old USA - it is about time he get his priorities straight - I'm sick of the republicans putting us on the back burner to forward their agenda accross the pond. They arn't making friends with me or anyone else, except the Georgians - and that's only because they paid for our support. I pay everyday - when am I going to get the support I deserve?
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Truth of the matter is, I connect more with Barack and Michele than I do with John and Cindy McCain. My world is so different than McCain's its painful. No matter what anyone says McCain could never understand what normal american people are going through - he's never been one of us and he never will be.
It does matter about experience - and I'm not talking about DC experience - I'm talking about life experience and the difference between McCain and Obama is oceans apart. I just can't see me and Cindy sitting down and having anything in common to talk about - right now she's in Georgia - sent by her husband on a humanitarian mission to find out what is going on in that region - WTF????
It's like being patted on the head by my condesending rich Aunt who knows I'm not even in the same sphere with her. It's a humanitarian junket for votes - but it won't get mine.
Once again we are sticking our noses where they don't belong. McCain needs to worry about what is going on here in the good old USA - it is about time he get his priorities straight - I'm sick of the republicans putting us on the back burner to forward their agenda accross the pond. They arn't making friends with me or anyone else, except the Georgians - and that's only because they paid for our support. I pay everyday - when am I going to get the support I deserve?
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“[E]ven if Democrats succeed in tarnishing Mr. McCain, it won’t solve their fundamental problem, because this election is mostly about Barack Obama. Who is he? What does he really believe? Does he know enough, is he strong enough to lead? ‘McCain’s message is pretty clear and essentially twofold,’ wrote liberal blogger Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo. ‘Obama is, in so many words, a frivolous phony, someone who really doesn’t have any business running for president. McCain is a strong leader who can defend the country. ‘From Obama, honestly, I don’t sense a really clear message,’ Mr. Marshall said. ‘There are attacks on McCain, some of which are quite good. There are positive, uplifting commercials... But it’s hard for me to come up with a clear-cut Obama message in the way that it’s pretty simple for me to do with McCain.’If Mr. Obama wants to stop his slide in the polls, he must recognize he has been chiefly responsible for it. If people think Mr. Obama has a big head and a thin skin, he must act in a way that belies that. He must be more forthcoming about his past. And when he makes a mistake or changes a position, he should acknowledge it. Mr. Obama has to be clear about where he plans to lead the country and explain why he is qualified to do so. Hopenchange won’t cut it anymore. His acceptance speech in Denver will be the most important of his life. What will he say?” —Jack Kelly
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| So when McCain becomes President are you going to resign from the Armed Forces? How could you possibly report to a Commander-in-Chief that you have no respect for?
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 01:42 am |
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| No, the issue isn't how many houses he has, or how he acquired them. It is the fact that he couldn't answer a relatively simple question...or at least come up with an answer that didn't make him sound like he doesn't have a clue.
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I wouldn't push the house issue if I were you. There are a lot of questions being raised about those of both Obama and Biden and how they were acquired. Most of the real estate holdings of the McCains are through the wife's family, not shady dealings with shady real estate characters.
Right on! Their homes were acquired in an unethical manner but the lefties don't
mention that!
They are upset that the McCains, who are wealthy, have several houses but so
does Barbra Streisand, Oprah Winfrey and a lot of big name Dems. When you
work hard and acquire wealth or inherit wealth as in Cindy Mc Cain's case, you
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truthsabitterpill wrote: I want someone who is willing to listen to more than one side of an issue and someone who knows how many houses he has. Maybe McCain just wants to add another house to the numerous ones he already ownes. But he didn't think to open any of them to Katrina victims did he? i had a family of 4 in my basement for 6 months until they found somewhere closer to their home. It isn't easy for any of us anymore - but I can't find any ray of hope when I look into the eyes of McCain, his smile is off, his eyes are blank and his thoughts are like butterflies that flit away and back again.
Obama lives in a million dollar mansion and his brother lives in a hut over in Africa.
Many wealthy people have several houses including all the left wing movie stars.
I am sure they weren't inviting the Katrina victims to come stay at their homes
either! The wealthy usually organize fundraisers for victims of disasters such
as Katrina and give charitable contributions. It is unrealistic to expect them to
"open their homes" to these people.
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You Obamaniacs are all the same................you have no clue, just like the Obama himself.
I'm not pleased that McCain is the presumptive GP nominee, however he is a far sight better than a ticket that is even further to the left of the only openly Socialist member of the US Senate. Bernie Sanders, ranked #4 most liberal Senator, proudly claims to be a socialist. Whereas Biden (#3) and Obama (#1) try to claim they are not left leaning socialists.
I wouldn't push the house issue if I were you. There are a lot of questions being raised about those of both Obama and Biden and how they were acquired. Most of the real estate holdings of the McCains are through the wife's family, not shady dealings with shady real estate characters.
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| Why are you yelling? And, with such anger.
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Who needs a messiah?
We need a president, and when we will get one - he will be either a clone of the one we just had, or something all together different - perhaps????
I like Obama and I like Joe Biden, would have liked to have seen Hillary on the ticket, but I will vote Democrat all the same - I am so ready for someone who is at least aware of the economic crisis we are in, someone who is willing to listen to more than one side of an issue and someone who knows how many houses he has. Maybe McCain just wants to add another house to the numerous ones he already ownes. But he didn't think to open any of them to Katrina victims did he? i had a family of 4 in my basement for 6 months until they found somewhere closer to their home. It isn't easy for any of us anymore - but I can't find any ray of hope when I look into the eyes of McCain, his smile is off, his eyes are blank and his thoughts are like butterflies that flit away and back again.
I'm not assured by any politian who says they can "fix" what has taken years to break. I just want someone who I feel is sincere in their wish to try and do the best by us.
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http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/barack-and-michelle-obama-the-most-pro-abortion-couple-in-america/
Obama pro abortion ?
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Fred wrote:
I really think that is over the top...do you have anything he has said that backs that up?
His Illinois legislative voting record on the issue of abortion speaks for itself. His denunciation of the SCOTUS ruling upholding the ban on partial birth abortion also speaks for itself.
I have always considered myself to be pro-choice, but I do not consider myself pro-abortion as I do not believe it should be a choice made lightly or a procedure used as birth control. Obama's vocal opposition to both the Born Alive Act and the ban on the so-called partial birth abortion procedure brings me to the conclusion that he supports abortion at any time and by any means. That is not pro-choice, that is pro-abortion.
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You may want to research BHO wife's back ground on abortion, as pro as they come .
BHO and wife are more pro them you think
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"Obama is pro-abortion."
I didn't look backfar enough to figure out whose quote this belongs to but I have to say this:
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No one is pro-abortion, you sir are an idiot. But then you must be a man and that says it all when it comes to this discussion. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Habanero wrote: Terrance wrote:
Oh brilliant debater and fickle interpreter of acronyms, the question was about when life begins. When he was asked questions about abortion, he answered them. Perhaps you have a problem with the person asking the questions for asking such a question in the first place.
I have not taken the time to look at all of the "abortion" legislation Obama has voted on. I'm sure you have. I'm sure you can attest to the fact that they were all simple straight up or down votes on a single issue and that the proposed legislation didn't contain other provisos that would have affected other legal issues.
Isn't that right?
BZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTT --- you really need to check your facts before you say you are "sure" someone else has done anything.
The serious pro-lifers will tell me I'm wrong, but I do know there is a difference between those who are pro-choice and those who are pro-abortion. One can be pro-choice and anti-abortion. Obama is pro-abortion.
I really think that is over the top...do you have anything he has said that backs that up?
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Terrance wrote:
Oh brilliant debater and fickle interpreter of acronyms, the question was about when life begins. When he was asked questions about abortion, he answered them. Perhaps you have a problem with the person asking the questions for asking such a question in the first place.
I have not taken the time to look at all of the "abortion" legislation Obama has voted on. I'm sure you have. I'm sure you can attest to the fact that they were all simple straight up or down votes on a single issue and that the proposed legislation didn't contain other provisos that would have affected other legal issues.
Isn't that right?
BZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTT --- you really need to check your facts before you say you are "sure" someone else has done anything.
The serious pro-lifers will tell me I'm wrong, but I do know there is a difference between those who are pro-choice and those who are pro-abortion. One can be pro-choice and anti-abortion. Obama is pro-abortion.
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jlonghorn wrote: Delaware is a Democratic state but sucks that you only have, I belive 4 votes to contribute in the election. Half of the Black population can't vote due to them being convicted felons so go John McCain!!!!! haha don't back the black!!!! The reason of Obama not having experience is a valid reason not to support him but your other comments about half the black population being felons and your quip. "don't back the black" is entirely uncalled for. There are multiple reasons not to support Obama but race is not one of them.
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jlonghorn wrote: I do hear alot of bull! Obama is BLACK and everyone thinks that he is a cool guy to hang out with! But damn, lets get serious he has no experience and I truely belive he is a fake! It is a shame that John Mccain is going to be the next Great President! Delaware is a Democratic state but sucks that you only have, I belive 4 votes to contribute in the election. Half of the Black population can't vote due to them being convicted felons so go John McCain!!!!! haha don't back the black!!!!
I take it you had no problem with the pitch that Dubya was a great guy to have a beer with when he was running against Gore and Kerry.
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| I do hear alot of bull! Obama is BLACK and everyone thinks that he is a cool guy to hang out with! But damn, lets get serious he has no experience and I truely belive he is a fake! It is a shame that John Mccain is going to be the next Great President! Delaware is a Democratic state but sucks that you only have, I belive 4 votes to contribute in the election. Half of the Black population can't vote due to them being convicted felons so go John McCain!!!!! haha don't back the black!!!!
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WorldNetDaily, (discredited by the liberal left) critiques Sen. Barack Obama's performance at Rick Warren's Saddleback forum last Saturday. When Pastor Warren asked Obama if he supported a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman, Obama said he did not 'because historically – because historically, we have not defined marriage in our Constitution.' I don't care if you support a marriage amendment or not. That answer is literally the stupidest thing you ever heard anyone say. If marriage were already defined in the Constitution, we wouldn't need an amendment, no?
The Constitution didn't mention slavery either, until the 13th Amendment was passed to ban it.
The Obama camp is now acknowledging that Barack Obama lied about his abortion voting record on the Born Alive bill, as reported weeks ago in the New York Times bestseller The Case Against Barack Obama by David Freddoso. The New York Sun reported that Obama's campaign has admitted that the senator voted against giving medical care to babies born alive after an abortion attempt—a fact that the campaign originally dismissed as a "smear." The reality behind Obama's rhetoric is that he worked against efforts to ban the gruesome practice of leaving babies who survived failed abortions to die. When confronted with the facts, Freddoso says the senator did what is typical among politicians—he lied. Obama has made several untrue statements over the course of this debate. While Obama said that he would have supported the federal version of the Born Alive bill if it had come up in Illinois, when it did come up, he in fact did not support it. And the amended bill was identical to the federal version, and still he rejected it. Google up the testimony from the Illinois State Legislature and see for yourself.
Additionally, he falsely accused the National Right to Life Committee, and those who have been pointing out his extreme and cruel position on this issue of being liars. Even in his book, The Audacity of Hope, Obama smears all pro-lifers saying they have discouraged compromise that would reduce the number of partial-birth abortions simply because the image of a partial-birth abortion helps win converts to pro-life groups. And this is your guy?
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I could be wrong , but it's looking like a Kennedy / Johnson move.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-felsenthal/bill-clintons-memoir-env_b_91973.html
read it all
I remember some where Bill was going to speak just before the VP name will be announced .
Who better to have before the announcement , then her husband the ex president ?
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Not sure if you noticed, Helen, but ALL the VP candidates have been very quiet, even the usually very talkative Joe Biden. If there was any indication of something being up, Joe watching what he says would be it...
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Hilary has not been out and about in the news much in the last few days , could it be BHO knows that the only way the Democrats will win or have a chance, if he picks her as VP. Even Bill has been out of the lamb light
Has he in fact turned the page and did just that to insure his winning ? Stay tune for your text.
I'm happy to say I did not contact BHO camp to get one.
Just one more note , Hilary's brother meeting with the McCain camp heh heh heh
A mole in plain site 
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HRC
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Playing the Game wrote: Let's try this again.
Playing the Game wrote:
Now that McCain has a 5 point lead in the Reuters/Zogby poll among likely voters, the games begin. It seems the only group that remains strongly in favorof Obama is blacks. Even the Youth of America, who have the attention spans of fleas, have fallen away from the "messiah".
Anyone taking bets on Obama getting ousted at the convention?
Ousted by whom? so far hes got the most dem votes so what other dem is going to oust him? Biden
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Put that in the "pray for a brokered convention" catagory, CR. It ain't going to happen.
As you often say (usually when they are going against you) that the polls can change in a days notice. I predict that Obama will get a bump when he nominates ANYONE...as will McCain when he makes his pick.
I tend to think that Obama will do better in the debates, which will have a big impact. I also think that after the convention, the gloves will come off a bit, and Obama will get a bit tougher and respond to a bit harder to McCain's attacks.
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Playing the Game wrote: Let's try this again.
Playing the Game wrote:
Now that McCain has a 5 point lead in the Reuters/Zogby poll among likely voters, the games begin. It seems the only group that remains strongly in favorof Obama is blacks. Even the Youth of America, who have the attention spans of fleas, have fallen away from the "messiah".
Anyone taking bets on Obama getting ousted at the convention?
Ousted by whom? so far hes got the most dem votes so what other dem is going to oust him? Biden
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Let's try this again.
Playing the Game wrote:
Now that McCain has a 5 point lead in the Reuters/Zogby poll among likely voters, the games begin. It seems the only group that remains strongly in favorof Obama is blacks. Even the Youth of America, who have the attention spans of fleas, have fallen away from the "messiah".
Anyone taking bets on Obama getting ousted at the convention?
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Playing the Game wrote: Ah!, Internet gambling is illegal in the US.
So why did you suggest it. That's it for me on this topic with you. This ceases to be entertaining.
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| Ah!, Internet gambling is illegal in the US.
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Playing the Game wrote: So what's your bet?
If you can come up with a viable way to do it, I'll wager with you. Lest I be interpreted incorrectly, I mean wage as in "bet money on it". I hope that is sufficiently clear.
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| So what's your bet?
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Playing the Game wrote: Now that McCain has a 5 point lead in the Reuters/Zogby poll among likely voters, the games begin. It seems the only group that remains strongly in favorof Obama is blacks. Even the Youth of America, who have the attention spans of fleas, have fallen away from the "messiah".
Anyone taking bets on Obama getting ousted at the convention?
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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Now that McCain has a 5 point lead in the Reuters/Zogby poll among likely voters, the games begin. It seems the only group that remains strongly in favorof Obama is blacks. Even the Youth of America, who have the attention spans of fleas, have fallen away from the "messiah".
Anyone taking bets on Obama getting ousted at the convention?
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 06:41 pm |
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| http://www.newshounds.us/2008/08/19/fox_news_examines_barack_obamas_character_and_conduct.php Last edited on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 06:43 pm by oop!
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 12:36 pm |
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Habanero wrote: Terrance wrote: Obama responded to a question about whether life begins at conception or sometime during pregnancy or at birth when he answered "that's above my pay grade". The question was not about abortion, it was about the "beginning" of life.
Bravo Sierra. The question was about abortion and even Obama knew that was what the question was about.
But let's play your game and say you are right, if he doesn't know when life begins, because such a question is above his pay grade, why has he voted nearly 100% of the time for the pro-abortion faction? Why has he not voted on the safe side of the issue? If you don't know when life begins wouldn't it be far safer to vote against termination legislation?
I stand by my earlier comment, in an effort to not offend anyone on this issue he offended everone on both sides of the issue.
Oh brilliant debater and fickle interpreter of acronyms, the question was about when life begins. When he was asked questions about abortion, he answered them. Perhaps you have a problem with the person asking the questions for asking such a question in the first place.
I have not taken the time to look at all of the "abortion" legislation Obama has voted on. I'm sure you have. I'm sure you can attest to the fact that they were all simple straight up or down votes on a single issue and that the proposed legislation didn't contain other provisos that would have affected other legal issues.
Isn't that right?
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 04:36 am |
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Terrance wrote: Obama responded to a question about whether life begins at conception or sometime during pregnancy or at birth when he answered "that's above my pay grade". The question was not about abortion, it was about the "beginning" of life.
Bravo Sierra. The question was about abortion and even Obama knew that was what the question was about.
But let's play your game and say you are right, if he doesn't know when life begins, because such a question is above his pay grade, why has he voted nearly 100% of the time for the pro-abortion faction? Why has he not voted on the safe side of the issue? If you don't know when life begins wouldn't it be far safer to vote against termination legislation?
I stand by my earlier comment, in an effort to not offend anyone on this issue he offended everone on both sides of the issue.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 01:18 am |
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| How left wing of you Fred, get real.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 01:10 am |
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Define "life". A cow is alive, a fish is alive, a bacteria is alive. Heck, one can even argue that individual cells of my body are alive, which means that life exists BEFORE conception.
It is an issue that I have relatively conservative feelings about if that decision ever had to be made by a loved one of mine....but I feel very strongly that it is an individual decision, and the circumstances do dicate the "wrongness" of the act.
It is a very complicated issue that can't be solved by a bumper sticker.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 12:45 am |
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Terrance wrote: Obama responded to a question about whether life begins at conception or sometime during pregnancy or at birth when he answered "that's above my pay grade". The question was not about abortion, it was about the "beginning" of life. And you don't think that abortion had any part to play in the question? And you insult the intelligence of others here?
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 12:00 am |
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| Obama responded to a question about whether life begins at conception or sometime during pregnancy or at birth when he answered "that's above my pay grade". The question was not about abortion, it was about the "beginning" of life.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 10:41 pm |
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As a certified "Right-Winger", I personally abhor abortion and do not believe our tax dollars or "health" insurance, should fund the slaughter of unborn children.
That aside, I don't choose my President based on his or her opinion of abortion. I choose my President based on the "drift" of his or her opinions and his or her willingness to adhere to unintrusive government and tax reduction.
God will take care of abortionists, as Mr. Obama states, "That is above my paygrade".
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 08:12 pm |
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Terrance wrote: Habanero wrote: Terrance wrote:
You have trouble with understanding. It's above my pay grade means I'm not at the top of this knowledge tree. In the case of when human life begins, Obama was deferring to God and not presuming to know.
Actually you are the one with trouble understanding if you actually believe what you wrote here.
If he actually was deferring to God and not presuming to know he would never have voted the way he always has in regard to any legislation about abortion.
Unlike most "right-wingers" abortion is not a litmus test for me, however that response of his was, in my personal opinion, so insulting to everyone on any side of the issue as to be unbelievable. In what I perceived as an effort to avoid offending anyone, he offended everyone.
Abortion is not an easy issue. Unfortunately it has become a litmus test for everyone. I told you how I interpreted his answer. Your conclusion that he would not have voted in any particular fashion is an opinion of someone who sounds like they "know" how God stands on the question of when human life begins. I believe it begins with conception. I don't know where God stands on this. God has not confided in me.
I agree that abortion is not an easy issue, but I disagree it has become a litmus test for everyone.
My opinion is just that, my opinion. I am making no conclusion on what God knows.
As I said, it is not a litmus test issue for me, however I do have a hard time with anyone who would either vote in favor of, or avoid a vote on, legislation allowing late term or after birth "abortion."
To claim such a decision is "above my pay grade" is a very scary statement from someone who could very well be the next person making appointments to SCOTUS.
Personally, I would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned, for the simple fact it is actually a state issue and not a federal isue and such overturning would return the entire debate to the state level where it belongs.
The federal government is involved in far too many things that should be left up to the individual states. Cutting back on such involvement would be the best and biggest step this nation could make to turn around so much of the present situation.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 07:09 pm |
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Habanero wrote: Terrance wrote:
You have trouble with understanding. It's above my pay grade means I'm not at the top of this knowledge tree. In the case of when human life begins, Obama was deferring to God and not presuming to know.
Actually you are the one with trouble understanding if you actually believe what you wrote here.
If he actually was deferring to God and not presuming to know he would never have voted the way he always has in regard to any legislation about abortion.
Unlike most "right-wingers" abortion is not a litmus test for me, however that response of his was, in my personal opinion, so insulting to everyone on any side of the issue as to be unbelievable. In what I perceived as an effort to avoid offending anyone, he offended everyone.
Abortion is not an easy issue. Unfortunately it has become a litmus test for everyone. I told you how I interpreted his answer. Your conclusion that he would not have voted in any particular fashion is an opinion of someone who sounds like they "know" how God stands on the question of when human life begins. I believe it begins with conception. I don't know where God stands on this. God has not confided in me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 07:02 pm |
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Terrance wrote:
You have trouble with understanding. It's above my pay grade means I'm not at the top of this knowledge tree. In the case of when human life begins, Obama was deferring to God and not presuming to know.
Actually you are the one with trouble understanding if you actually believe what you wrote here.
If he actually was deferring to God and not presuming to know he would never have voted the way he always has in regard to any legislation about abortion.
Unlike most "right-wingers" abortion is not a litmus test for me, however that response of his was, in my personal opinion, so insulting to everyone on any side of the issue as to be unbelievable. In what I perceived as an effort to avoid offending anyone, he offended everyone.
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