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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 05:07 pm |
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As I said Fred, I find the whole thing amusing.
Maybe I was unfair in calling Obama an MCP, so I will retract that, but I won't retract it about Biden, I know that for a fact, from first hand experience.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 11:48 am |
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And when McCain uttered the same phrase about 5 months ago in reference to Hillary, do you really think he was being sexist, or using a common idiom? I tend to think not, as I do in this case. I think it shows they still think their campaign is in trouble.
Or, do you, as usual, have two standards for politicians...one for your guy, and one for the other?
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 04:33 am |
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Playing the Game wrote: Are you implying that this Harvard educated lawyer with a stable of handlers didn't realize the intent of every word he uttered?
Fred wrote:
Do any of you really think Obama's comment about lipstick on a pig (in reference to John McCain's policy on something) was an attack on Palin?
Do any of you feel that it was absolutely ridiculous to roll out a television commercial on this?
I actually find the entire thing amusing. Obama screwed up royally as far as I'm concerned with the comment to begin with. All he did was bring more attention to the fact he and his running mate are both misogynist pigs in the true sense of Male Chauvinist Pigs.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 11:00 pm |
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Are you implying that this Harvard educated lawyer with a stable of handlers didn't realize the intent of every word he uttered?
Fred wrote:
Do any of you really think Obama's comment about lipstick on a pig (in reference to John McCain's policy on something) was an attack on Palin?
Do any of you feel that it was absolutely ridiculous to roll out a television commercial on this?
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Bix: it was a very funny response from Obama on an evening talk show.
Fred: everyone who cares knows it was a very silly tactic to try and make something of it, but when you are trailing in the electoral college vote and certain swing states are in play - everyone who cares has already made up their mind. This was designed to play to the people who neither care about the truth and would like a reason to not vote for someone.
Other interesting lies that even McCain campaign staffers are acknowledging as untrue: the tax increase statements; the foreign aid figures; and the ethics positions of Palin. If someone cares, they will know these were/are lies; but then again, they weren't going to vote for McCain anyways. Amongst some parts of the public though, they do not care - and they believe that Obama will raise income taxes on middle class incomes; they believe the U.S. sends more than $200 Billion in foreign aid; and they believe that Palin somehow has a history of ethics beyond crony-ism.
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For a moment I too thought BHO was calling Palin a pig , and I have no doubt BHO was having the same thought when he was saying it .
But after long thought , I gave BHO the benefit of doubt as well.
I still don't see where McCain is another Bush but at the same time , I know that all this mess is not only Bush's fault.
I think most Democrats know BHO messed up , by not choosing HRC , the excuse is take her , get him alones tells the rest of us that Clinton had his part in it as well.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 04:46 pm |
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It certainly not what he meant because he wasn't even talking about Palin but rather, McCain. I do believe that he blurted it out and when it came out and realized what the audience was connecting the statement to, I bet he wished he hadn't said it. The right wing grabbed on to this one and undeservedly so, however, once Obama learned what was being made of his out-of-context statement, I thinbk it would have served him better if he qualified it later to the media.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 03:21 pm |
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Do any of you really think Obama's comment about lipstick on a pig (in reference to John McCain's policy on something) was an attack on Palin?
Do any of you feel that it was absolutely ridiculous to roll out a television commercial on this?
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 05:30 pm |
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Absolutely Tink, and that was what I guess I was trying to say.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 02:38 pm |
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| I agree, Tink. I think, though, that we have to realize that there is a lot of hyperbole in almost any writing. If I give the true facts about Obama or McCain's tax plans, people might realize the exact numbers don't mean all that much to them...but if you predict disaster, depression, and plagues, people will read and pass it on.
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Posted: Tue Sep 9th, 2008 06:56 pm |
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Just about forty years ago the Watts riots broke out in LA and transfixed the nation in an explosion of racial violence. When it was over, 36 were dead, 900 injured, over 4,000 arrested and at least $200 million dollars of property a damage. It was an orgy of burning and looting that left the area looking worse than Beirut war zone. Looting and burning were the orders of the day. We certainly don't want to see that again, neither Republican or Democrat. It's irresponsible for those in the public eye to even suggest that.
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Posted: Tue Sep 9th, 2008 06:54 pm |
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You really have to try to stay a bit fair. As I've said, I like McCain, and if we had the situation we are in right now and the President's name was Gore, I probably would be looking seriously at him right now.
I think his military experience helps him, but NOT the POW bit, which is what they want to focus on. Why? What is more relevant...the fact that he made Captain in the Navy, or his POW status? I respect and feel for him for the fact he was captured, but that does NOT make him a better military leader; it is the rest of his service that makes him more understanding of the military. Why not talk about that?
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Posted: Tue Sep 9th, 2008 06:12 pm |
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You're right, Fred. I usually don't pay much attention to the "dire results" type crapola, but I've been seeing more and more predictions about race riots if Obama loses coming from BOTH sides.
Maybe I'm a Pollyanna, but I would like to think that we as a country have long gone beyond that kind of nonsense. And so "predictions" of such really do bother me.
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Posted: Tue Sep 9th, 2008 12:07 pm |
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I can assure you that most people, even those who are not going to vote for McCain, feel that way. There are ALWAYS columnists on BOTH sides who predict plagues of frogs, darkness 'oer the land, boils, pestilance, and jock itch if there candidate doesn't get elected. Look at the number of "Al Quadia wants Obama elected" type crap that comes out....I put it (and hope you do as well) in the same catagory.
If McCain wins, America will continue. If Obama wins, the same thing. Some things will change....some for the good, some for the better. Some things they want right now they will get, some things they won't, and some things their opponent wants will wind up the law of the land.
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McCain Win Will Trigger ‘Race War’
A Philadelphia columnist has gone over the top and warned that if John McCain defeats Barack Obama in November, America will face a “race and class war.”
Fatimah Ali of the Philadelphia Daily News, declaring that a McCain victory would bring “four more years of George Bush,” writes: “Rich Republicans just don’t understand that millions are suffering . . .
“Over the last eight years, we've lost 3.2 million jobs and started a war that's cost trillions. The lies and deceit that got us into Iraq in the first place are just the tip of the iceberg and have ruined America's reputation across the globe.
“Meanwhile, our economy continues to crumble, while crime, homelessness, and poverty continue to soar . . . Suffering is widespread as the gap between rich and poor widens.
"The Bush administration doesn't get it and neither does McCain. He is so out of touch that he hasn't a clue how many homes he owns, while the working class struggles to hold on to one.”
Then Ali warns, “If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness — and hopelessness!”
But if Obama wins the presidency, Ali said, “we may just see a revolution that can turn the tide and improve this nation for everyone, not just a select few.”
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Posted: Sun Sep 7th, 2008 05:22 am |
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Fred wrote: BS, Hab. I went to the Y to work out, and they had non-stop Palin (Cavuto was on during that time).
As I said, Fred -- it is the media, not the Republicans...........
Why not more HERE then about John? Why are the righties getting their jollies with pictures of Palin.
Because even here folks understand that Sen. Obama can't compete with Sen. Mcain and do it becomes all Palin all the time. I have never been a fan of McCain, however I do find him far less offensive than Obama. As to Biden, I wouldn't vote for him for dog-catcher, so if ever there were a chance that I would have consideed voting for Obama, his Veep pick was a deal breaker.
Anyway, hope the storm didn't have much of an effect. Seems to be not much going on up here.
Glad to hear not much ahappening up your way, it was a really weird "weather event"  The only thing we have left to check is the barn roof, but that has to wait until daylight. It's a metal roof and we could hear it. Going out there after dark, in the ain, just wasn't gonna happen!
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Playing the Game wrote: How is the storm down your way Hab, it's just starting to pick up in Dover.
Things have finally settled down around here. We were without power for a good part of the afternoon. The rain was a much needed blessing, but I could have done without the wind. I have to replace both my front and back doors because of the wind. The front door was blown open and the back one was blown almost off the hinges.
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Strange how the dems are sending three of their big fish out to get the repub's barracuda.
And all BHO had to do is use their top gun to blow them out of the water .
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_21149.shtml
I bet you Hilary is repeating the Verizon commercial :
Can you hear me now !
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 11:11 pm |
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| It's good for your health, admit it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 10:44 pm |
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| No, but I noticed watching Fox News adds roughly 4 bpm to my heart rate, so I can say that Fox News is good for something.....
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 09:45 pm |
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Hope you didn't pull any muscles in your knee jerks while watching at the "Y" Fred. 
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 08:06 pm |
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BS, Hab. I went to the Y to work out, and they had non-stop Palin (Cavuto was on during that time).
It is amazing how they manage to talk down about Congress and ONLY show the Dems, as if the first 6 years of Bush the Repubs didn't control the agenda.
Why not more HERE then about John? Why are the righties getting their jollies with pictures of Palin.
Anyway, hope the storm didn't have much of an effect. Seems to be not much going on up here.
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 04:28 pm |
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| How is the storm down your way Hab, it's just starting to pick up in Dover.
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 04:22 pm |
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Fred wrote: Breaking News.....Not one post about McCain, all about Sarah. Why are Republicans trying so hard to run Sarah at the top of the ticket?
No Fred, it is not the Republicans doing that, it is the media and the Democrats who are all Sarah all the time. They are unable to compare Obama's experience with McCain's (or Biden's) so they are comparing him to Palin in the lack of experience category.
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 02:46 pm |
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Breaking News.....Not one post about McCain, all about Sarah. Why are Republicans trying so hard to run Sarah at the top of the ticket?
Amazing how the campaign has decide to not let her do any interviews other than with People magazine. She is not prepared to face the media yet, which tells you how prepared she is to face world leaders.
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Breaking News reports that McCain doesnt like the Rambo movies....one cant be more unamerican than that!
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 07:17 pm |
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Amazing, though, isn't it....the day after McCain gave his acceptance speech, not one person has commented on it, prefering to focus on Palin.
Why do I think that the right wingers, if given a choice, would vote for Palin over McCain?
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| Fred, I thought the same thing. His speech was full of anecdotes, and I kept looking at the TV thinking the dish was messing up.
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One thing I will admit that I was wrong on....I thought (early on) that Rudy was the best Republican candidate. I confess I was totally wrong on this after listening to him speak tonight.
What a fruitcake...and I apologize to fruitcakes everywhere with that comparision.
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| Oh come on is this really necessary? You have put this same opinionated junk on every topic. I thought I was self centered but man you take the cake. Both sides present very good talking points but leave it at that and quit wasting bandwidth.
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A woman, a member of the NRA , with a plan .
Just think being a mother of five , she knows how to cut cost and divert funding in the needed areas .
with a 80% approval in her state , can it get any better ?
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 01:43 am |
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| Let's not get carried away with glee. Remember, the polls had Kerry in the lead too.
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http://www.kypost.com/content/wcposhared/story.aspx?content_id=2c34d018-89c1-42fa-bd0c-87fd1d701b83
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106966/Gallup-Daily-McCain-Moves-Point-Lead-Over-Obama.aspx
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/08/18/daily36.html?ana=from_rss
We are just coming around the first turn and McCain is in the lead
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Who's is sending McCain envelops with white powder
2 send to two different campaign stations of McCain , do they not realize he will not be moved.
No guts no Glory trying to harm him or his staff will be futile
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/21/18162/5195/423/572150
A second letter sent to Manchester New Hampshire " no link yet " but will post one asap
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Reports of Clinton's plans for the Dem convention , working well for MCCain. Though it will be no surprise if BHO VP pick is HRC
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hFy3Rx0p_AK-LeHul6J6WfEXsEDA
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Helen here wrote: In my opinion McCain was high and straight on the saddle in The Saddle Back Forum .
Though some claimed he cheated because he was 30 min late.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/15/candidates_saddle_up_for_saddl.html
McCain performed pretty much as I expected on certain issues. On others he did very well. I thought Obama was generally more thoughtful. I prefered Obama overall, but that should come as no surprise.
I preferred Obama's response on evil. It was more consistent with my personal religious beliefs. On abortion, I believe human life begins at conception, but I do not have a simple answer on abortion. I would have preferred to hear Obama say something like that.
I think this was a good forum. I would have liked to see some other questions as well.
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In my opinion McCain was high and straight on the saddle in The Saddle Back Forum .
Though some claimed he cheated because he was 30 min late.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/15/candidates_saddle_up_for_saddl.html
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| You could have used the insanity plea instead, but didn't
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Playing the Game wrote: Terrance you profess a disdain for racism yet you persist in labels??????????
Terrance wrote:
Footloose wrote: So you use your backwoods humor to make a point. Clever, though, and often funny but I do understand your analogies. Trouble is that you are sometimes way off base and sometimes right on. Your off base sort of diminishes your on points. Get the point?
You better get comfortable with him. He's one of yours.
If you mean by saying "He's one of yours.", I plead guilty.
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Terrance you profess a disdain for racism yet you persist in labels??????????
Terrance wrote:
Footloose wrote: So you use your backwoods humor to make a point. Clever, though, and often funny but I do understand your analogies. Trouble is that you are sometimes way off base and sometimes right on. Your off base sort of diminishes your on points. Get the point?
You better get comfortable with him. He's one of yours.
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Footloose wrote: So you use your backwoods humor to make a point. Clever, though, and often funny but I do understand your analogies. Trouble is that you are sometimes way off base and sometimes right on. Your off base sort of diminishes your on points. Get the point?
You better get comfortable with him. He's one of yours.
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So you use your backwoods humor to make a point. Clever, though, and often funny but I do understand your analogies. Trouble is that you are sometimes way off base and sometimes right on. Your off base sort of diminishes your on points. Get the point?
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Now Freddie. It don't make no nevernomind who spoke furst. Ya gotta consider the man sayin it. Kinda reminds me when lil'l ccuzin Spnce wanted to run fer county commissioner. He was young, energetic, had eyes that shone like stars and a set of pearly whites fit enough to chomp Uncle Will's jerked beef. Why he could charm the fringe off'n Aunt Lulubelle's surry. Yup, charmed everyone includin' cuzin Digger, the undertaker. He aint never been caught runnin' shine, never cought Sheriff Whump's eye, charmed his way outts detention from the school marm. All kinds of good, cept he wuz only eleventeen years. Had no experience at anythin' that would make him a county commissioner. bad judgement, friends whut aint so good. No, if you ghave it a lotta thought, you wouldnt vote fer him either. So ya iz gonna vote fer that Obama feller?
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 06:38 pm |
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| Weighing in first on the Georgian/Russian war means what, Helen? One could argue that letting the current President speak is what we should be doing (which is what you probably would have said if Obama had his statement out first....)
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How interesting : McCain was the first of the two ( Obama and McCain ) to request the president order NP to come back and let a vote to take place on drilling.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/mccain-lets-go-back-to-work/
And McCain is the first to speak on the Russia AND Georgia conflict
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/08/mccain-calls-on-russia-to-cease-military-action-in-georgia/
Now who will be the first to answer that 3am call ?
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