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| Hitler was a tyrant not a leader. There is a difference. Just because people follow you, doesn't make you a leader.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 03:00 am |
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Playing the Game wrote: True leaders don't bend to the wind, they determine the flow. Obama, Shobama
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Obama said he was willing to consider it but that he thought it was a bad option. Ultimately all politicians bend to the wind and right now enough people believe that drilling will make a difference.
McCain reversed his position on this already. He was against it.
According to your definition, Hitler was a true leader.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 02:56 am |
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True leaders don't bend to the wind, they determine the flow. Obama, Shobama
Terrance wrote:
Obama said he was willing to consider it but that he thought it was a bad option. Ultimately all politicians bend to the wind and right now enough people believe that drilling will make a difference.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 02:53 am |
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| Obama said he was willing to consider it but that he thought it was a bad option. Ultimately all politicians bend to the wind and right now enough people believe that drilling will make a difference.
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| Geez, if all this talk about drilling and leases, etc., is all hot air, how come your sainted one is now suggesting that drilling might be a good option? How come all those people of both parties in the House who wanted an up or down vote were blown off by "Save the Planet" Pelosi? Could it be that some of those people also see it different than you and believe it makes some sense? Could it be those people are right? Or is it all just political posturing by a bunch of cynical people -of both parties?
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 06:35 pm |
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No.
First, there are millions of acres of land that the oil companies already have leases on AND have oil reserves on them. Tell me what is stopping them from exercising those leases right now.
Second....the blog IS full of hot air, especially the part that implies we'll have excess oil. Great way to put it, except it is not true. There is NO way that these will ever produce anywhere near enough for "extra"; at best, it might decrease the rate of the amount of oil we import.
Second...there is no way that drilling could start "immediately." A physical impossibility, as this is specialized equipment and all available equipment is in use..it would probably be two years before the equipment would be available....
Robert L. Long, the chief executive office of Transocean, the world’s largest drilling company, said he has nine deepwater rigs under construction, eight of which are already under contract for periods ranging from four to seven years once they leave the shipyards. He expects to receive the ships between the beginning of 2009 and the end of 2010.
In addition, the high demand for these platforms IS causing the price to increase....if you want a deepwater drilling rig, it costs about $600K a day to rent, up from $150 a few years ago.
Again...stop thinking there is a quick and easy fix.
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http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/04/open-letter-to-pelosi-republicans-just-want-a-chance-to-vote/
Some how I see the future with NP
and the words your out of here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 10:33 am |
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What the Republicans want is to score political points for November, Duncan. Sure they say they are for the rest...why not put them together in a comprehensive program?
Drilling should be looked at as the cherry. Let's eat our vegetables first and do the hard work, and than we'll drill, as it will have little impact but make everyone feel as if they did something important.
Actually, it is probably a bit more then that.
See, the oil companies currently have millions of acres of land with about 34 billion barrels of oil under them, way more then under the OCS or ANWAR. I always thought it was about it being cheaper, perhaps, but that ain't it.
What it is about is locking up the rights. They could be drilling now, but for a variety of reasons are not, and it is unlikely they would do more than symolic drilling in either of these two locations. What they see is the friendliest adminstation to their cause about to leave the building, and they want to lock up the ability to drill there down the road.
It ain't about us, people. It is about their long term planning. Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but if they have 34 Billion barrels available now, why are they not drilling now?
In any case, a step in the right direction....
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-energy2-2008aug02,0,6233020.story
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I notice how the Democrats harp on the Republican proposal to, well, "drill here-drill now". They seem to imply that is all the Republicans propose but in reality it is only part of the energy plan. The rest is what the Democrats want also, such as solar, wind, nuke, alternative fuels, more efficient engines for transportation, etc. Oh, I forgot. The Dems do not want nuclear power. Now funny as it seems, Obama is beginning to shift on the drilling proposal. He probably realized that it could cost him the election so he figures he better switch now. And if elected, he may just find an excuse not to drill. In other words, his attempt to portray himself as a centrist is only temporary enough to get him elected. He will swing back to the far left as soon as he gets in. Oy vey, what a headache.
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In the days of actual filibuster, vs. virtual filibuster such as we have today, the Senator had to have the intelligence, stamina and debate skill to outlast his opponents.
Not one of the children in the Senate today possesses those skills, IMHO. How dare these imposters in D.C. claim to have the foresight and forebearance of the Greeks.
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One of the problems with either party in control is the filabuster requirements of 60 senators to override. Last week, the solar energy tax credit came up for renewal. Democrats were unable to come up with 60 votes to override the republicans and force a vote on the issue. Were there 51 votes in favor? Yes, but 51 is not enough. This tax credit has cost less during its history than a single refueling airplane for the air force. It was a cheap method of getting people to use solar panels in lieu of full reliance on 'the grid' and yet Republicans stopped its passage by preventing it coming up for a vote. For this, I blame the Republicans. Democrats do not have a 60 seat majority, and there were not 9 Republicans who cared more about energy independence than trying to tag the Democrats for an election issue of inactivity. McCain chose to go with the filabuster. This means that all his ads about energy independence are hypocracy (at best), lies (at worst). If Republicans were really interested in increasing energy production, then they missed one chance at proving it. They are clearly not interested in energy independence, but are interested in gaining and holding onto political power.
Were the Democrats just as guilty when they held 40+ seats but sat in the minority? Of course, and that is why the Republicans changed the filabuster rules to eliminate them for judicial appointments. Talk about a hew-n-cry that will erupt if Obama wants to appoint a pro-choice judge and Democrats pull out the Republican written rules that allow them to ignore the filabuster for judicial appointments! A dictatorship doesn't seem so bad when it is your guy that is the dictator.
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Simple supply and demand doesn't give the whole picture. Sure, if demand drops, so does the price - but so does the government's income. They told us to drive less, use more efficient cares, and we did. Now because the country is using less gas, the government isn't getting the taxes they expected and the federal transportation fund is something like $3 billion short. Where do you think they will get the money to cove the shortfall? From us, somehow, some way.
We've all heard the stories of droughts, and the water company asked the residents to conserve water. They did, water usage went down, and the water company raised the rates to cover loss in income from the decreased usage of water.
I wouldn't be surprised if the feds have to raise the gas tax to cover the loss of income from reduced consumption. Who wins? Why the government, of course!
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 11:34 pm |
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Ancient History Fred, that was sooooooooooooo 2 years ago. Like the kids who pump Obama would say...."What have you done for me today"?
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And them being in session does what, exactly?
While I don't think this session of Congress has exactly covered themselves in glory, it would be hard to compare with the record setting do-nothing session that the Republicans had in their last year of control. This is NOT a defense of what did or did not get done, but do you really think that much would have been done over the next month or so? Tell me what significant amount of work got done in Congress in any August of any year, especially one of an election year.
The President's party had control of all houses and could have gotten a comprehensive energy bill through if he had wanted to. Read any report of how the Hammer and the Wrassler ran Congress when they were in control...shoot, they didn't even bother to try to be fair, and through even their own people out the window, basing chairmanships solely on allegiance to the Neoconservative party line...and this is coming from Republicans (AFTER they left party, naturally).
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| Yep, the Republicans could have done better. So, why aren't the Democrats showing them up now instead of ducking the issue? They had a golden opportunity to do something and the presumed leader of the Free World tells us to put air in our tires and the woman who would Save the Planet turns the lights out in Washington to go on vacation. Sheesh!
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And them being in session does what, exactly?
While I don't think this session of Congress has exactly covered themselves in glory, it would be hard to compare with the record setting do-nothing session that the Republicans had in their last year of control. This is NOT a defense of what did or did not get done, but do you really think that much would have been done over the next month or so? Tell me what significant amount of work got done in Congress in any August of any year, especially one of an election year.
The President's party had control of all houses and could have gotten a comprehensive energy bill through if he had wanted to. Read any report of how the Hammer and the Wrassler ran Congress when they were in control...shoot, they didn't even bother to try to be fair, and through even their own people out the window, basing chairmanships solely on allegiance to the Neoconservative party line...and this is coming from Republicans (AFTER they left party, naturally).
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All the Democrats in the Congress walked off their jobs today to go on their vacation until September. The Republicans remain in session to this very hour. The Dems failed to take any action at all on the proposals, some of them bi-partisan, for a sensible energy police. And yet, there will be those many souls who will still vote for a Democrat, unqualified and inexperienced as he may be, which will lead us to our very doom!
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 08:12 pm |
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| What is it you would have the President do to effect oil prices? Doesn't Congress write the Legislation? He has asked them to lift the drilling ban and create a comprehensive energy policy.
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Well no, PTG....where did I blame the President for the rise in prices? Please show the post. At worst I would say his policies (and his predecesors going back to Carter) of not developing a real energy policy put us in this predictament. In addition, if he did something real instead of symbolic, he actually might get credit.
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Playing the Game wrote: So it's OK to blame the President and his administration for the rise in prices, but they can't get any credit for the decline.
How Liberal of you. Yes, the president gets the blame because he and his rich oil partners and the gang of Republicans are responsible for the rise in prices. The reason he cant get credit for lowering prices is because he does not deserve it. On the other hand, Sen. Obama is calling for a sensible energy policy. His call for less use of electric and gas and liquid fuels is scaring the oil biggies so they in desperate attemnpts lower the price in the hopes that he does not get elected. Capitalism is the scourge of the masses.
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So it's OK to blame the President and his administration for the rise in prices, but they can't get any credit for the decline.
How Liberal of you.
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I CAN deny that President Bush had any effect on the price...it is easy, and basically he said the same thing. This being the Interent, you can come up with any theory as to why the price dropped, but for clear thinking, unbiased sources ,there is pretty much a consensus.
Ben Stein is a bit biased, wouldn't you think? How about an independent one or two.
Again....check some reputable sorces such as the WSJ, Financial TImes, or even Women's Wear Daily (ie, something other than the the talking head shows on Fox News) and you will see that the overwhelming evidence is that the price has dropped because of the decline in demand.
Conserve and come up with alternatives and you will see the cost drop. I do not say "do not drill" but rather come up with a comprehensive policy that addresses the hard issues first. I am totally convinced that Congress (especially right wingers, but all of them ,basically) would break their arms patting themselves on the back that they did "something" if they allowed drilling that NOTHING else would get done. I've said it since we've started this discussion that I believe in the carrot and stick approach...give me conservation, give me alternative energy development, and you'll THEN get to drill.
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Drilling oil anywhere is not the answer unless you are willing to continue to poison the planet beyond the point of no return. Sen. Reid is correct in saying that the burning of fossil fuels make us sick. Not only does it contribute heavily to global warming but it poisons the air we breathe. Lets fact it. We have to learn to be a bit cooler in winter and a bit warmer in summer, just as our next president, Barack Obama, says we should do. The price is dropped in gas because we drive less. That is proof that we should not only drive less but to drive other than trucks and SIVs that cause great harm to our air. We should also learn to use less electricity. Dry your clothes out on the line instead of using your dryer. Wash small loads by han in a washtub using a washboard. You will be surprised at how much money you save by not using electric. When Sen. Obama becomes president Obama, I hope that he will appoint Al Gore as the secretary of energy. We will make great progress then. I am also an advocate of higher gas taxes and carbon taxes for those who refuse to comply with common sense ideas to conserve.
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I CAN deny that President Bush had any effect on the price...it is easy, and basically he said the same thing. This being the Interent, you can come up with any theory as to why the price dropped, but for clear thinking, unbiased sources ,there is pretty much a consensus.
Ben Stein is a bit biased, wouldn't you think? How about an independent one or two.
Again....check some reputable sorces such as the WSJ, Financial TImes, or even Women's Wear Daily (ie, something other than the the talking head shows on Fox News) and you will see that the overwhelming evidence is that the price has dropped because of the decline in demand.
Conserve and come up with alternatives and you will see the cost drop. I do not say "do not drill" but rather come up with a comprehensive policy that addresses the hard issues first. I am totally convinced that Congress (especially right wingers, but all of them ,basically) would break their arms patting themselves on the back that they did "something" if they allowed drilling that NOTHING else would get done. I've said it since we've started this discussion that I believe in the carrot and stick approach...give me conservation, give me alternative energy development, and you'll THEN get to drill.
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Supply and demand are indeed the long term determinant of price , as you say, Fred. However, oil prices are set in a market that reacts to a mulitiude of factors, including anticipation of long term effects. Oil prices flutter upward everytime Iran talks about their nukes and Israel plays with their bombing run maps. The jobless report today had the market reacting with lower prices. Does that mean we will be using substantially less oil in 90 days? Don't think so. The initial run up in prices over the past year really had little direct correlation to supply and demand and even OPEC said we were nuts to be paying those prices and only gave a token increase in production to play along with our hysterical demand for more oil [remember the Pres over there begging for more juice?].
So, if the market is an emotional beast , the idea of the US finally looking after itself, albeit with limited capability, is a price factor. As Congress in it's wisdom stumbles around and pretends it's 'saving the planet' , the market will see that , too, and factor that in with what the Iranians and Nigerians are doing and come up with yet another guess and set another future price that will eventually effect what we pay at the pump.
Keep cutting firewood. I don't have much faith in Washington to listen to us and do anything that will really help short term or 5 years out.
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Order congress back , make them work for their money and vacation.
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Try starting with Ben Stein. You can't deny that the Bush order had something to do with the price drop. The rest of what you say is true about demand decreasing prices. It's a synergy. Take all factors together.
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Show me, Vinnie. EVERYTHING I have read from economists say that the drop in the United States economy which has decreased demand AND China's announcement to charge their people a bit more (which will decrease demand) AND decreased tensions in the Mid East, AND, perhaps, hope that the next President will have a better plan for the Mid East is what is decreasing the near term price.
But humor me...show me a couple of economists who can explain why short term (meaning up to 90 day delivery) would be affected by 10 year (or even 5 year) expectations.
Decreasing demand decreases prices. Try using less, and the price goes down....and you've made the world a bit cleaner.
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Fred wrote: Playing the Game wrote: Maybe if we stopped worrying about the immediate result, we might be able to work towards a long term solution.
I totally agree....rather then try to score political points with the unsavvy (you know, those who think that a President lifting a symbolic ban on drilling actually has any effect on oil), let's recognize that we need solutions, not band aids. Hot dog, Fred. Economists and investors seem to say something different. The lifting of the ban did have an effect and more and more members of the congress, Democrats and Republicans, are coming on board. Sometimes you have to give Bush credit for something, even if it sticks in your craw. Congress has the power to drop pump prices back to $2 a gallon, if they have the cubes to do so. There is now a bi-partisan coalition that drafted an energy policy that was to be presented to the house but today is the last day for them to do anything before they come back in September. I would love to see the proposal because it contains offshore drilling, coal to gas, wind, solar, and even nuclear.
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Here is something that may well help, and it isn't a perpetual energy machine....
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=209900956&cid=NL_eet
Sorry, Ben, I'll take the EE guys over the guy in his garage....
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Playing the Game wrote: Maybe if we stopped worrying about the immediate result, we might be able to work towards a long term solution.
I totally agree....rather then try to score political points with the unsavvy (you know, those who think that a President lifting a symbolic ban on drilling actually has any effect on oil), let's recognize that we need solutions, not band aids.
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| sorry I'm not............ playing the game..........
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| Other than life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, what is it you feel entitled to?
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| Maybe if we stopped bailing out the wealthy we would have the funding for the entitlements that we all have a right to.
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| Maybe if we stopped worrying about the immediate result, we might be able to work towards a long term solution. Last edited on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 02:59 am by Playing the Game
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It is a non-sense political issue because no matter who wins, it will not have an effect during the term of the next President in either case. Thare are much bigger issues we need to resolve if you want to solve the problem.
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It looks like the Dems are playing a stall game on this , They will only allow the drilling if their candidate wins, Thus change .
The repubs want to get it done before the election so they can get more leverage in the election .
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A filibuster in the works over this.
You know if we could harness NP's energy when she uses her hands-and mouth ragging on what's wrong with Bush and why they should not drill hook it up with T-Bone Pickins plans we may be weened off sooner.
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Amazing who has benefited most from the bailouts, eh?
Our infrastructure is in bad shape, and it is not going to be fixed by cutting a 5K grant to the Middletown theater.
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Stop spending our taxes on bail outs and entitlements.
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We will elect Obama. Thanks.
But...you miss the point on the highway funds, as usual. Our roads are in crappy shape, and the existing fund structure is only taking care of the most important roads. Our bridges are in bad shape, and getting worse.
How do you propose we fix our infrastructure?
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| Oh, I'd put a huge new tax on gasoline and diesel fuel and then no one could afford to drive on the roads and they wouldn't need fixing anymore and we could build new ones in West Virginia and call them the Robert Bryd Expressway -whoops, already did that, but you get the idea. And let's tax the evil oil companies , too so they can pass it on to the customers and that would help even more.
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We will elect Obama. Thanks.
But...you miss the point on the highway funds, as usual. Our roads are in crappy shape, and the existing fund structure is only taking care of the most important roads. Our bridges are in bad shape, and getting worse.
How do you propose we fix our infrastructure?
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Al Gore. An idiot stuck on stupid:
“Since the first oil crisis back in the early ‘70s, we’ve been told that if we simply go for more oil, gasoline prices will come down. We need to break free of this old pattern that’s holding us back and develop the renewable sources that can bring about the equivalent of a dollar a gallon gasoline.” —Al Gore
Supply and demand: “It is only a truly dysfunctional system that would buy into the perverse logic that the short-term answer to high gasoline prices is drilling for more oil 10 years from now.” —Al Gore, an expert in perverse logic.
“If you look at the seriousness of the climate crisis, you see how it ties to the economic crisis and the national security threat that we face.” —Al Gore
Say that again: “General Sherman famously said, ‘If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve.’ I already ran—I, I, I’m not running for the—I didn’t run for the nomination, and I’ve already been elected and didn’t serve.” —Algore
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| Much to the displeasure of the taxpaying public, the Democrats are once again attempting to lkegislate problems away and again by proposing to raise fuel taxes by a minimum of ten cents per gallon. As if we don't pay enough now. Their reasoning? The Highway trust Fund revenues are declining due to conservation efforts by us poor slobs. We are using less. The HTF is a slush fund where many in the Congress fund their earmarks. The Demopcrats have refused to come on to FNC to debate the pros and cons of such a tax. We all know it won't end there. Remember Gore propos4es a 50 cent per gallon "carbon tax" on all fuels. Go ahead and elect Obama. See what you'll get.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 08:14 pm |
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| Breathe, Butch, Breathe!
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 05:06 pm |
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If I paid attention to Bezoar Reid, my mind would be mush.
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If you paid any attention to Sen. Reid you will realize that drilling now, or even later, affects the health of the planet. The higher the price of gas or other petro-based fuels is good in that it forceably reduces consumption. The offshoot is less carbon emissions that is destroying our planet. The Gore carbon tax of .50 cents per gallon will become reality. Also to be introduced are carbon allotments whereby if you exceed your allowable limits of fuel consumption, you will rightfully pay a penalty. Americans are gluttons. Sen. Obama is right in that you must limit your use of ac's, keep your thermostats lower in winter, and eliminate SUV's from our transportation inventory. A new dawn is approaching so be prepared to comply. It's for our own good.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 04:10 pm |
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| YOU ARE THE LIE BECAUSE YOU ARE CONVINCED THERE IS ONLY ONE SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM - MORE OIL - MAYBE IF YOU SPENT MORE TIME RESEARCHING WITH YOUR MIND AND SEEING THERE ARE TRUE ALTERNATIVES THAT DO WORK AND STOP BICKERING WITH YOUR FELLOW PATRIOT AMERICAN THE DEMOCRAT THEN MAYBE YO WOULD BE USING AN ELECTRIC CAR FOR THOSE 60 MILE COMMUTES TO WORK OR MAYBE GETTING ON A BIKE AND RIDING THOSE 5 MILES TO SEE A FRIEND - AMERICA HAS BECOME LAZY IGNORANT AND LIKE 2 BICKERING SIBLINGS - OH THE DEMOCRATS THIS - THE REPUBLICANS THIS - MEANWHILE WE ARE FALLING BEHIND AND INTO A BIG MESS - GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND QUIT THE WHINING - USE YOUR MIND - BE A PATRIOT - THOSE GUYS WHO FOUGHT IN THE REVOLUTION AND MARCHED BAREFOOT THROUGH THE JERSEY WINTER WOULD BE EMBARASSED TO SEE WHAT THEY DIED FOR - OIL IS NOT THE ANSWER - AND WE AS AMERICANS CAN START A WHOLE NEW INDUSTRY BUY LEADING THE CONVERSION TO ALTERNATIVES - WAKE UP
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:38 pm |
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It gets confusing because there are different points along the line. When one begins to exploratory drill is one date, when one starts producing is another, and when peak production is another, hence the confusion. I suspect that there is a difference in the timeline between ANWAR and off coast drilling, as well.
I generally use the "peak production" date because it seems to be the most fair if you want to talk about what impact it will have on capacity. Of course there will be oil produced before then, and after that will have some affect, but I don't want to get into the bell-shaped curve from a peak of .06 saved per gallon at peak, and .01 at the beginning.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:23 pm |
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| WAKE UP PEOPLE - START USINGS YOUR MINDS AND QUIT THE WHINING - DEFINITION OF INSANITY DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS - DRILLING FOR OIL OFF THE COAST IS NOT THE SOLUTION - AND WILL ONLY COMPOUND THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WHILE AIDING AND LINING THE POCKETS OF A SELECT FEW BUY FALLING INTO SUCH A TRAP - ELECTRIC CARS-HYDROGEN FUEL BOOSTERS-NATURAL GAS POWERED VEHICLES-BIODIESEL-RIDING YOUR FAT BUTT ON A BIKE-WALKING FOR A CHANGE - THESE ARE THE ANSWERS BUT REQUIRE WORK AND CHANGE-FOR FAR TO LONG WE HAVE ALLOWED A FAT GUT SMALL MINDED MINORITY CON US INTO THE EASY OIL WAY OF LIFE - WHICH HAS GIVEN AN EXCELLENT RETURN FOR THEM AND A GREAT TAX COLLECTION FOR THE COUNTRY WHILE POLLUTING OUR PLANET AND DRAINING OUR POCKETS - THINK THINK THINK - EVERY YEAR THE OIL INDUSTRYS ARE MAKING RECORD PROFITS AND NOT PAYING A HIGHER TAX BUT WE AT THE PUMPS DO -DONT FALL INTO THE MISGUIDED TRAP OF BELIEVING THERE IS ONLY ONE POWER SOURCE FOR A VEHICLE - OIL - GET ON http://WWW.YOUTUBE - SEE FOR YOURSELF WHAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE DOING NOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF OIL - TYPE IN ELECTRIC CARS-HYDROGEN FUEL BOOSTERS - BIODIESEL - NATURAL GAS FOR CARS - BUY A BIKE - GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND DONT LET THESE IDIOTS RUIN OUR COASTLINE BUY MAKING YOU BELIEVE IT WILL HELP THE COUNTRY CAUSE IT WONT - IT WILL ONLY HELP A SELECT FEW
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 02:58 pm |
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| If you paid any attention to Sen. Reid you will realize that drilling now, or even later, affects the health of the planet. The higher the price of gas or other petro-based fuels is good in that it forceably reduces consumption. The offshoot is less carbon emissions that is destroying our planet. The Gore carbon tax of .50 cents per gallon will become reality. Also to be introduced are carbon allotments whereby if you exceed your allowable limits of fuel consumption, you will rightfully pay a penalty. Americans are gluttons. Sen. Obama is right in that you must limit your use of ac's, keep your thermostats lower in winter, and eliminate SUV's from our transportation inventory. A new dawn is approaching so be prepared to comply. It's for our own good.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 04:28 am |
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Whoa, is the Democrat talking point still using 10 years to get oil in the pipeline? Early last week it was between 7 years and 2-3 years. It gets so confusing.
Supply several years out probably doesn't impact the spot market that much but it is the more long term thing that's important. Trying to tie any self-sufficiency to the price at the pump tomorrow is a red herring. The other factors mentioned are correct as far as oil price impacts for the next 90 days and fear of the unknown is certainly one. Take a look at what happened to SemPro who went short on the market expecting the price to tumble as people caught on tto the fact there was some 'hype' in the numbers. Lost $14 billion and their company here a week ago. And those were people who supposedly knew how to play all the factors. Point is the price of oil short term is driven by many things. Long term , it's supply and demand. Let's work on both long term issues and keep some of our money home.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:14 am |
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| Obama has sufficient time to prove his complete inability to lead the county.
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