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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 07:21 pm |
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Interesting tactic....
"We both disagree with President Bush on economic policies," McCain said. "My approach is to get spending under control. The difference between us is he thinks taxes have been too low, and I think that spending has been too high."
His most dramatic claim was a pledge to turn around a plunging stock market. Most of the progress he promised would come from the economic stimulus sparked by big tax cuts he's pushing, McCain said.
While I don't believe it (since both candidates are proposing tax cuts), it is certainly a last ditch attempt to distance himself from President Bush. I think if he had done this earlier and harder he might have had a chance.
However, both candidates have promised cuts....both have been very vague, however....and here is the truth that people don't want to listen to....
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/24/news/economy/spending/?postversion=2008102412
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Newsy....
First, the Dems have a role, but I can very easily show you that Republicans AND the adminstration have as great if not greater role...
Second....who is this information being sent our for? Here is a clue...Obama is expecting it. Heck, even Sarah had a half-decent clumsy response to the abuse of power finding. You don't think Obama and his staff haven't game-planned every possible variation of what McCain might say? I hate to break the news to you, but Obama won't be surprised to hear this coming, and he will prepare an answer. Given McCain's track record of these type of attacks, I bet it backfires even more.
If McCain goes negative, it will be for his base, and only his base. It will be to make them happy. What you don't seem to get is that everybody DOES know about Ayers, and they have done a collective yawn. What do you really expect Obama to do tomorrow night...look shocked, chagrined, and break down crying saying it is all true?
Obama will have a response that either stops McCain in his tracks, OR throws him for a 5 yard loss.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14th, 2008 04:59 pm |
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McCain Girds for ‘Armageddon’ in Last Obama Debate
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/?s=al&promo_code=6CFF-1]
Amid all the hype of the presidential campaign, the Democratic role in the financial meltdown has been lost, but John McCain apparently is ready to zero in on that and issues related Sen. Barack Obama's character in their final debate.
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 02:05 am |
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Habanero wrote: Fred wrote: True; anything can happen, but don't you think there was a palpable change in the tone even in the conservative world? Even O'Reilly looked like someone stole his falafal tonight when discussing the debate.
Fred, O'Reilly is not and never has been a conservative. He is just a narcissitic media whore looking for $$$ and ratings, nothing more, nothing less.
Sure he is....on most issues. There are a few where he is not, or he gets a hair up his butt on one, but he is conservative. Not rabid like Hannity, but he certainly isn't liberal.
However, he IS also a media whore looking for $$$ and ratings. I won't disagree with you on that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 01:37 am |
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| Careful Hab, Fred swallowed a Liberal pill a couple of weeks ago and he is choking on the residue.
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Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2008 01:32 am |
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Fred wrote: True; anything can happen, but don't you think there was a palpable change in the tone even in the conservative world? Even O'Reilly looked like someone stole his falafal tonight when discussing the debate.
Fred, O'Reilly is not and never has been a conservative. He is just a narcissitic media whore looking for $$$ and ratings, nothing more, nothing less.
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Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2008 03:40 am |
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The tide may have shifted in the last two weeks and B.O. was better in this debate than the last one. In my opinion he was better in both but as I've stated on numerous occasions all he needs to do is not do anything stupid and not be a Republican and this election is his. It would never have been in doubt had he not done something stupid by not selecting Mrs. Clinton as his running mate. The tide did not shift because of any great thing he did but rather because of more Bush created havoc imposed on this nation. Can B.O. not do anything else stupid before the election? That remains to be seen.
Vote for Ron Paul!
BTW O'Reilly would never be on my list of shows to watch anymore than Olbermann.
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Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2008 03:17 am |
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True; anything can happen, but don't you think there was a palpable change in the tone even in the conservative world? Even O'Reilly looked like someone stole his falafal tonight when discussing the debate.
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Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2008 03:14 am |
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| As the famous philosopher L. P. Berra once said: "It ain't over till it's over."
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 03:22 am |
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counting coup wrote: He doesn't need to do any better. Haven't you seen the latest poll numbers?
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 02:02 pm |
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The bump, if there is one, will happen over the next couple of days. I suspect you will see a strengthening of the Democratic party, seeing as you didn't get the split you were hoping for.
I think that it will come down to who campaigns better, and who does a better job at the debates. I really don't think the VP pick will have that much of an effect, really. It gives both sides a few talking points, and the fact that it is Joe means we here are paying attention to it a a day or so longer, but two weeks from now, it will not mean all that much.
I don't think McCain campaigns that well. Look at the Sturgis Bike Rally for an example of someone who is trying really hard, but doesn't quite get it. If he had done a nod and a wink at the beauty contest thing, or at least in some way acknowledged that he he knew exactly what kind of contest it really was, he might have pulled it off.
Now, you could say the same thing about Obama at certain things (bowling), or Hillary taking the shots at the bar, but McCain seems to have made a lot more of them.
The debates will also tell. McCain hasn't done too bad most of the time in the debates, and if he is prepped well, he might do an acceptable job. The problem is that it is MUCH more likely that he will have a senior moment, or that Obama will provide the "wow" moment.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:55 am |
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Fred wrote: Yes, I have. Interesting numbers, but they still don't break down well for McCain.
He can (and probably does) get 70 or 80% of the vote in some areas with some demographics, but anything over 51% is almost wasted when it comes time for the Electorial College. I haven't checked it recently, and I am sure the polls have changed somewhat, but Obama's numbers looked better than McCains for getting those Electorial College votes. McCain has narrowed the gap, but he'll have to do more than that to win.
They break down well enough and they are heading in his direction.
The Democrats are once again on the road to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
First by nominating Obama over Clinton and then compounding that stupidity by further alienating her supporters and choosing Biden over her for VP. I watched her speech tonight and as an independent voter I would have voted for her. Now my vote will be a write in for either Mrs. Clinton or Ron Paul. I will not be forced into the voting booth holding my nose to vote for either of the two party butt lickers.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 01:15 am |
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In the midst of a political convention ripe with hyperbole and gut wrenching pep talks from King Teddy and The Speaker of the House, the poll numbers should be through the roof.
They aren't and Americans have realized that the "messiah" is a flub.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 12:08 am |
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Yes, I have. Interesting numbers, but they still don't break down well for McCain.
He can (and probably does) get 70 or 80% of the vote in some areas with some demographics, but anything over 51% is almost wasted when it comes time for the Electorial College. I haven't checked it recently, and I am sure the polls have changed somewhat, but Obama's numbers looked better than McCains for getting those Electorial College votes. McCain has narrowed the gap, but he'll have to do more than that to win.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 03:47 pm |
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| He doesn't need to do any better. Haven't you seen the latest poll numbers?
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 03:29 pm |
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It will get more interesting, but if this is the best McCain can do...he better hope he gets a VP candidate who can do better.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 03:25 am |
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Housing Battle
Barack Obama hit John McCain with a double slam this week when he called him out for not knowing how many houses he owned. Was Obama bashing him for being old or rich...or both? And what happened to Obama avoiding the negative ads? Watch the ad here.
The McCain campaign quickly issued this response:
"Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses? Does a guy who worries about the price of arugula and thinks regular people "cling" to guns and religion in the face of economic hardship really want to have a debate about who's in touch with regular Americans?' --McCain spokesman Brian Rogers
Shortly after that, McCain released this Obama ad on housing. Things are starting to heat up!
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One term is all McCain needs , according to some. His second term will be the life leisure if the Democrats can't start really showing unity.
Biden and Clinton are not very convincing .
was there a deal between Obama and Biden in 2007 ?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/31/biden_contemplates_offers_to_c.html
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 03:41 pm |
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| I think granting them full voting rights sets a bad precedent. I can make the argument that it doesn't matter, that the issue is decided, etc., but I think the states needed to be made aware that breaking the rules has consequences. I think the states will learn, and I am not sure they would have gotten away if there was a contested election, but I think they should have stayed with the initial punishment.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 03:34 pm |
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The only people that really care what the Democrats or the Republicans do now are the Democrats and the Republicans. This election will be decided like it always is by the independents. With these two lying hypocrites as our choice don't be surprised by a large write in vote in this election.
Anyone who believes that all the women in this country that supported Mrs. Clinton are now going to vote for Obama or McCain either are not married or have little experience with the female psyche. Expect a large percentage of them to either write in Mrs. Clinton or not vote.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 03:17 am |
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Fred, party politics aside, don't you think the granting of full voting right to the MI and FL delegations is a wrong move?
Both states broke the DNC rules, knowing the consequences, and now they won't have to pay the consequences. What point is there to having any rules at this point? The precedent has now been set that disobeying the rules means squat to the heirarchy of the DNC.
If the RNC pulled such a stunt I would be screaming bloody murder, and I told them to take their membership and shove it years ago.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 03:16 am |
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Look at CR's posting for someone who was hoping for something else. I agree, that this is what she had to do and always was going to do, but some righties were hoping for that banshee moment.
Listen to Krystol (Mr. Wrong) this morning.....BEGGING Clinton supporters to rise up to her defense. This is what the neocon wing is down to...begging for help from Hillary.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 03:07 am |
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Fred, what else is she supposed to do? Scream like a banshee?
If for one moment anyone thinks that her supporters who are going ape over the Biden pick aren't doing so with her full blessing and encouragement, you've got another thing coming. Her public acceptance of the situation and support of the ticket give her the deniability she needs in regard to Democratic attacks upon the Obama choice of Biden.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 01:56 am |
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Not sure what more y'all want from Hillary...her statements and quotes are pretty much in total support of Obama and Joe.
Of course, the Republicans are running ads bringing up why Hillary wasn't considered....they probably wanted her to run because the thought it would be a built in campaign to run against her.
Sorry.
Oh, yes....
DENVER, Colorado (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton will release her delegates to Sen. Barack Obama, a Clinton spokesman said Sunday, the eve of the Democratic National Convention.
Sen. Hillary Clinton will meet with her delegates on Wednesday before that night's roll call, a spokesman says.
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Also Sunday, the Democratic Party decided delegates from Michigan and Florida -- states that had been penalized for moving their 2008 presidential primaries to January -- will get full voting rights at the event.
The moves answer some questions that lingered ahead of the convention, which starts Monday in Denver.
Clinton, who suspended her presidential campaign in June after Obama secured enough delegates to win the party's nomination, will meet with her delegates at a reception in Denver on Wednesday afternoon -- before that evening's delegate vote on the nominee, spokesman Philippe Reines said.
Again, Soooooooo Sorry you didn't get your wet dream.
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Helen here wrote:
You all were warned about brass [url=mailto:#@$$]#@$$[/url] Hilary it ain't easy for her to take defeat and you know she will not stay in the back ground long . She will get what she is after.
McCain is a one termer and in my opinion he will is best suited for this election. Obama may have to wait intil 2016 0r 2020
Just refreshing a thought
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Helen here wrote: Terrance wrote: The latest nonsense to come from sources within the McCain campaign hint that McCain might announce that he will not run for reelection if elected President. This of course is nonsense. McCain might actually say this, but so what. It's not binding. He could just change his mind like he has already done on abortion, offshore drilling, illegal immigration, Iraq, etc.
Were I cynical, I would suggest that this is another ploy to get Hillary's supporters to vote for McCain. "Vote for McCain and Hillary can run again in 2012" should be what this is filed under.
You all were warned about brass [url=mailto:B@!!$]B@!!$[/url] Hilary it ain't easy for her to take defeat and you know she will not stay in the back ground long . She will get what she is after.
McCain is a one termer and in my opinion he will is best suited for this election. Obama may have to wait intil 2016 0r 2020
Actually, Helen, she is waaay over it. Her supporters are hoping for some sort of miracle, but they will come out this week a united party. Sorry about not getting the divided party many of you were hoping for.
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Helen here wrote: Terrance wrote: The latest nonsense to come from sources within the McCain campaign hint that McCain might announce that he will not run for reelection if elected President. This of course is nonsense. McCain might actually say this, but so what. It's not binding. He could just change his mind like he has already done on abortion, offshore drilling, illegal immigration, Iraq, etc.
Were I cynical, I would suggest that this is another ploy to get Hillary's supporters to vote for McCain. "Vote for McCain and Hillary can run again in 2012" should be what this is filed under.
You all were warned about brass [url=mailto:B@!!$]B@!!$[/url] Hilary it ain't easy for her to take defeat and you know she will not stay in the back ground long . She will get what she is after.
McCain is a one termer and in my opinion he will is best suited for this election. Obama may have to wait intil 2016 0r 2020
If Obama loses to McCain, I don't think he'll have a second chance. I also don't think McCain would not run for a second term were he President.
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Terrance wrote: The latest nonsense to come from sources within the McCain campaign hint that McCain might announce that he will not run for reelection if elected President. This of course is nonsense. McCain might actually say this, but so what. It's not binding. He could just change his mind like he has already done on abortion, offshore drilling, illegal immigration, Iraq, etc.
Were I cynical, I would suggest that this is another ploy to get Hillary's supporters to vote for McCain. "Vote for McCain and Hillary can run again in 2012" should be what this is filed under.
You all were warned about brass [url=mailto:B@!!$]B@!!$[/url] Hilary it ain't easy for her to take defeat and you know she will not stay in the back ground long . She will get what she is after.
McCain is a one termer and in my opinion he will is best suited for this election. Obama may have to wait intil 2016 0r 2020
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Well, Terrance.....it isn't like the rumor has no foundation....and if came from the horses mouth, himself....
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/02/mccain-to-serve-only-one-term/
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Terrance wrote: counting coup wrote: Geez, give it a rest Terrance.
The latest nonsense is coming from you.
The list of Obama reversals would be just as long as McCains. They both flip-flop like a mackerel that just landed on the poop deck!
You missed the point.
Were I cynical, I would suggest that this is another ploy to get Hillary's supporters to vote for McCain. "Vote for McCain and Hillary can run again in 2012" should be what this is filed under.
You missed my point. You posted the nonsense.
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counting coup wrote: Geez, give it a rest Terrance.
The latest nonsense is coming from you.
The list of Obama reversals would be just as long as McCains. They both flip-flop like a mackerel that just landed on the poop deck!
You missed the point.
Were I cynical, I would suggest that this is another ploy to get Hillary's supporters to vote for McCain. "Vote for McCain and Hillary can run again in 2012" should be what this is filed under.
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Geez, give it a rest Terrance.
The latest nonsense is coming from you.
The list of Obama reversals would be just as long as McCains. They both flip-flop like a mackerel that just landed on the poop deck!
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The latest nonsense to come from sources within the McCain campaign hint that McCain might announce that he will not run for reelection if elected President. This of course is nonsense. McCain might actually say this, but so what. It's not binding. He could just change his mind like he has already done on abortion, offshore drilling, illegal immigration, Iraq, etc.
Were I cynical, I would suggest that this is another ploy to get Hillary's supporters to vote for McCain. "Vote for McCain and Hillary can run again in 2012" should be what this is filed under.
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