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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 03:44 pm |
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From the Delaware State News: Biden to appear Fri. at UD
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
DOVER — Democratic Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. will return to his alma mater Friday morning to stump for himself and presidential running mate Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, firing up voters just days before Tuesday’s election.
A 1965 University of Delaware graduate, Sen. Biden has been seen on the national stage much more than in the First State. Public appearances for the six-term senator have been limited since he was tapped in late August to run for vice president.
Earlier this month, Sen. Biden spoke at the Democratic Party’s Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, but that crowd was limited to about 1,000 party faithful who paid to attend the annual banquet.
But Friday at 10:30 a.m., the senator will speak from the north steps of Memorial Hall, addressing a crowd that will gather on the North Green, formerly known as the Mall, at the Newark college campus.
A release sent by the Obama campaign said Sen. Biden would talk about restoring economic security and focus "on how his own Delaware upbringing shaped him as a fighter for the middle-class and how his deep connection to the state has kept him a champion for change."
The rally also will serve as a get-out-the-vote effort to encourage UD students and area residents to volunteer and help boost turnout in neighboring Pennsylvania, a battleground state literally around the corner from the campus.
The Democratic ticket is leading in several polls against Republican candidates Arizona Sen. John McCain and vice presidential candidate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, but the Keystone State’s 23 electoral votes could play a pivotal role in the election.
Sen. Biden also will be in Pennsylvania, in Allentown and Williamsport, this afternoon after starting his day in Arnold, Mo.
Although his focus is on his vice presidential campaign, Sen. Biden is running for a seventh U.S. Senate term against Republican Christine O’Donnell. He has not debated or even really acknowledged Ms. O’Donnell, who trails the senator by more than 30 percentage points in polls.
Gates to the Green will open at 8 a.m. for Friday’s rally. The event is free and open to the public, but the campaign is encouraging reservations at http://www.barackobama.com.
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Staff writer Drew Volturo can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26th, 2008 03:14 pm |
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From the Delaware State News: Sen. Biden to see off son
Attorney general to deploy with National Guard unit
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
DOVER — Delaware Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. has helped send off several National Guard units deploying from the First State, but next week’s send-off is certainly special.
The senator’s elder son, Attorney General Joseph R. "Beau" Biden III, is one of the soldiers scheduled to deploy with the Delaware National Guard’s 261st Signal Brigade in October, with the yearlong mission taking the Guard captain to Iraq.
Despite his high profile as the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, Sen. Biden is expected to attend the Oct. 3 deployment ceremony on Legislative Mall, Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Leonard Gratteri said Thursday.
"From what we’ve been told, he’s planning to attend," Lt. Col. Gratteri said. "He’s supposed to address the troops. He’s done that every time we’ve deployed a unit when he’s in the state."
The 261st Signal Brigade, which is headquartered in Smyrna, received an alert order in February and got its mobilization orders about two months ago.
The brigade will report to Fort Bliss in Texas on Oct. 5 for additional training "specific to the Iraqi theater" that could last from four to 10 weeks, Lt. Col. Gratteri said.
Mr. Biden, a Guard captain, is a judge advocate general — a military lawyer. He would serve as a prosecutor for the U.S. Army and help enforce the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
With a vice-presidential candidate expected to attend the event, Dover police spokesman Lt. James E. Hosfelt said officers from several agencies will be meeting Monday to discuss security at Legislative Mall.
The ceremony, which is open to the public and is expected to draw about 750 people, will create a travel and parking issue for state workers, with parking prohibited and the four streets surrounding Legislative Mall closed for most of the workday.
In a memorandum Monday to state employees, Capitol Police said state employees who normally use parking spaces around the mall should make alternative plans.
Capitol Police contacted DART about providing shuttle service, but have been informed that all buses are used for routine daily service and unavailable to shuttle state workers, the memo stated.
Staff writer Drew Volturo can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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Joe has been noticeably quiet on this most important of decisions on the economy. He is still a Senator isn't he?
Oh that's right, he is the expert on Foreign Relations, and that has nothing to do with the US economy.
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Playing the Game wrote: At this point he's running for his life and losing. Poor Joe Joe is in way over his head.
Based on what, CR? Even ALASKANS think there are areas he tops Palin on. We'd ask Palin about that, but the McCain campaign doesn't let her speak to anybody outside tightly controlled, scripted circumstances....Wish life was like that.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 03:14 pm |
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From the Delaware State News: Del., Alaska agree on Biden
Poll respondents say senator would be good vice president
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
DOVER — Alaska and Delaware couldn’t be much farther apart geographically, but voters in the two states agree on at least one thing: Delaware Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. has more experience and would be better equipped to handle an international crisis than Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
Sen. Biden and Gov. Palin, the vice-presidential candidates for the Democratic and Republican parties, respectively, were matched up in a Fairleigh Dickinson University PublicMind poll of First State and Last Frontier State residents released Wednesday.
"When you look at the favorability of the two candidates and where they stand on some issues, the answers mirror each other in the two states," said Fairleigh Dickinson political science professor Dr. Peter Woolley, the poll’s director.
"Both states are pro-choice, which is surprising."
The poll of 601 randomly selected, likely voters in each state found that Alaskans feel Sen. Biden has the "background and experience" to be a good president, 43 percent to Gov. Palin’s 37 percent, and that he is "better equipped" to handle an international crisis, 44 to 32 percent.
And while 64 percent of Delawareans think Sen. Biden would make a good president, only 49 percent of Alaskans think Gov. Palin would be a good president.
Nearly 70 percent of Delawareans polled said Sen. Biden has the background edge, while 73 percent think he’s the vice presidential candidate best suited to deal with an international crisis.
"Voters will decide who is best qualified to protect America’s security," Sen. Biden’s vice-presidential spokesman David Wade said in a statement. "It’d be presumptuous as hell of us to try and tell Alaskans or any Americans what to think. That’s a decision Americans will make on their own."
Both running mates rated strongly in their home states, with Gov. Palin racking up a 62-percent favorable mark among Alaskans, while Delawareans gave Sen. Biden a 65-percent favorable rating.
The home-state favoritism played out in questions about who was more "honest, trustworthy" and who better understands the concerns of the average person and who is more effective and who is best suited to develop the nation’s future energy policy.
"Home-state preference is only one element. Party (affiliation) is another element," Dr. Woolley said. "Home-state preferences are undergirded by party affiliation.
"And at the same time (Alaskans) are saying Joe Biden is a better candidate in terms of experience, they give Palin high marks."
The poll showed that Gov. Palin has a 77-percent approval rating from Alaskans, which Dr. Woolley said is "very unusual" considering she is past the honeymoon phase of her gubernatorial term.
Those approval ratings are a stark contrast to outgoing Delaware Gov. Ruth Ann Minner, who polled a 38-percent approval rating and a 49 percent disapproval rating.
That low approval rating was borne out in the Democratic gubernatorial primary in which state Treasurer Jack A. Markell defeated Lt. Gov. John C. Carney Jr.
Lt. Gov. Carney was endorsed by Gov. Minner as her successor, but Mr. Markell repeatedly referred to the failed policies of the "Minner-Carney administration," linking his opponent to an unpopular governor.
Dr. Woolley said Gov. Minner’s low approval rating and the other data show that gender was not an issue in the poll.
"Democratic women aren’t flocking to Palin because she’s a woman, and they aren’t giving Ruth Ann Minner a break, either," Dr. Woolley said.
Staff writer Drew Volturo can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 12:40 am |
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| At this point he's running for his life and losing. Poor Joe Joe is in way over his head.
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 10:53 pm |
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Yes, Fred, Biden is a US Senator and thus should be acting in that capacity ---HOWEVER, while on the stump for the Presidential ticket he should be acting as VP candidate, not US Senator.
What seat is he running for? Re-election to his Senate seat or VP?
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 10:50 pm |
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Yes, Fred, Biden is a US Senator and thus should be acting in that capacity ---HOWEVER, while on the stump for the Presidential ticket he should be acting as VP candidate, not US Senator.
What seat is he running for? Re-election to his Senate seat or VP?
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 06:02 pm |
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Maybe, Hab...maybe a little of both? If that would be her strength, why play it down?
Anyway, a pretty good review on Biden's miscues. I personally don't see them as all that important (speaking on an issue before Obama has a chance to put out a policy? Jeez, I get that one wants a coordinated effort, but he IS a United States Senator.)
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/the_biden_paradox.html?nav=rss_blog
Nationally, too, Biden continues to poll well. In the Post/ABC News poll conducted earlier this month, 51 percent of the sample felt favorably toward Biden while 32 percent felt unfavorably. And, 54 percent said that Obama's pick of Biden made them "more confident" in the choices the Illinois senator would make as president while 39 percent said it made them less confident.
What gives? Biden appears to be a victim of circumstances beyond his control -- most notably the emergence of Palin as the co-nominee of her party and the resultant crush of press coverage.
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There is clearly an ongoing debate in the Democratic chattering class over whether Biden is doing everything right or everything wrong on the campaign trail these days. The truth, as always, lies somewhere in between.
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 05:36 pm |
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I seriously doubt Biden will be taken off the ticket and the rumors to that effect are just plain dumb.
Fred, I disagree with you in regard to how McCain will do in the debate. Obama is not comfortable without structure and a teleprompter, so I don't know just how good he's going to do. If he were so comfortable he would have agreed to the "townhall" type situations McCain proposed.
I don't see the McCain camp requests on structure of the VP debate as capitulation that she can't hold her own, but rather as payback to the Obama camp for the restraints they requested for the Prez debate.
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 04:52 pm |
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Biden , a great speaker .
He is on Fox 25 pitching Barack Plan( and yea it is a regenerated plan ) on what is going on with the war.
Things I have heard since the begining of the war , the same things congress put in their long term step by step.
Making promises , The same plan that has been put in place to withdraw our troops . Biden is saying BHO will stop the war , well if they are in office when the troops are with drawn then then they can lay claim to the stopage.
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I put this in the same catagory of those taking bets that Palin was going to bail out of the Republican ticket.
Can you tell me why the Obama-Biden ticket would be panicking? I can see why this rumor would have been floating a couple of weeks ago, but they are leading in most polls, they are leading the Electorial College countdown, and the debates are coming up, which I don't think too many people think McCain can make a lot of points.
Shoot...the McCain campaign is doing everything they can to limit the rules on the VP debates, indicating they don't think too she can do all that well in the debates against Joe.
I wavered over the past month, but I am back to being confidant that Obama will win over McCain...and Biden has, and will, continue to be more help than a hindrance.
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 01:35 pm |
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| I received an e-mail this morning from what I regard as a credible source, close to the DNC, that foretells of Biden removing himself from the ticket on October 5, after the VP debate because of a health concern, thus paving the way for Hillary to be selected. That is why Biden said a few days ago that "Hillary may have been a better choice."
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| Fred, Obama is, and was, going to win Delaware regardless of his VP pick, thaqt he picked Biden is just icing on the cake. Wilmington guarantees that and it has not a dang blasted thing to do with race. The population base is in Wilmington and its environs, and it overwhelmingly votes Democratic.
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Playing the Game wrote: Don't think for a minute that this isn't all calculated. Biden was a pi$$ poor choice from the start and he is proving it daily. Says something about Obama's ability to "lead the ticket".
I am thinking a McCain victory, words I never thought I would hear myself utter or desire.
Of course it is all calculated...and it has proven to be a winning pick, not a bad one. He is campaigning on his own, he is holding his own, and the best way to show how good he is doing is that Republicans keep floating these desperate rumors that he is going to get kicked off the ticket. Do you really think that Palin's pick was not even more calculated? It was done for one purpose only....to appeal to the right wing of the party.
Based on what? If you would have said it a week or so ago, I might have agreed with you that it was possible. Anything is possible, and we've got a few weeks left, but McCain shot his load with his Palin pick. Polls aren't everything, but they certainly showed him with a big boost after he picked her...but he has dropped since that heady time.
I tend to look at this site...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
To get a broad perspective of all the polls, and more importantly, how the electorial vote is going. Obama winning DE with a 60% doesn't help him anymore than a 51% does. McCain has a chance, but too many things are lining up against him...including a bad pick for
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 12:27 am |
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Playing the Game wrote: Don't think for a minute that this isn't all calculated. Biden was a pi$$ poor choice from the start and he is proving it daily. Says something about Obama's ability to "lead the ticket".
I am thinking a McCain victory, words I never thought I would hear myself utter or desire.
I have said from the beginning that Biden was a bad choice, but I'm not putting the cart before the horse at this point. It remains a toss up, although Biden didn't exactly help his ticket within some battleground states with the "no coal plants" comment.
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Terrance wrote:
Aren't you the one who's been going around saying "ooh eee ooh ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang"?
OMG! The Purple People Eater!!! Had to laugh at that one!
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 10:53 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: Don't think for a minute that this isn't all calculated. Biden was a pi$$ poor choice from the start and he is proving it daily. Says something about Obama's ability to "lead the ticket".
I am thinking a McCain victory, words I never thought I would hear myself utter or desire.
Aren't you the one who's been going around saying "ooh eee ooh ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang"?
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 10:33 pm |
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Don't think for a minute that this isn't all calculated. Biden was a pi$$ poor choice from the start and he is proving it daily. Says something about Obama's ability to "lead the ticket".
I am thinking a McCain victory, words I never thought I would hear myself utter or desire.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 08:04 pm |
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I'm not so sure, Fred. Biden has actually been saying things that are the polar opposite of Obama himself. Even Obama himself has publicly found fault with one of the Biden "gaffes" about him speaking before he should have.
Blunders are one thing, and Biden has long been notorious for them, as anyone with any knowlege of Delaware politics is well aware, but totally going against your ticket's positions is more than just blunders.
Look at it politically, forgetting the party partisanship, and the just plain blunders (like the 1929 FDR TV comment), and it seems to me there is a problem.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 07:52 pm |
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Points taken...but Biden's blunders have been relatively minor, wouldn't you say, compared to the ones of McCain and his staff? Or, for that matter, Palin? She has made a few doozies, certainly much worse than Biden. This topic IS about Biden, but you have to compare him to the other side if you are saying he is mis-speaking.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 07:43 pm |
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Fred wrote: Nice try, Hab...why not address the McCain blunders, first? Don't you think HIS blunders are more important...unless, of course, you think the VP portion of the ticket is more important. Many on the right seemed to have thought so...until recently.
First, because this thread is about Biden, not McCain.
Secondly, I have repeatedly stated that comparisons between the top spot on one ticket and the #2 spot on the other ticket is ridciulous.
I do not think the #2 spot is more important, although it does give some insight into the advisors the top spot surrounds him/herself with. While there are others who would have arguably been better choices for McCain, I do not find the Palin pick as disasterous for him as I feel the Biden pick is for Obama.
Having said that, please remember what I have repeatedly stated here, my bias in regard to the VP pick is less about a partisan bias as it is a personal bias not based upon party affiliation. I was a pretty non-partisan person when I first met Joe Biden in the early '80s, I voted for Bill Clinton in '92, did some work that same year for Ed Bennett when he was challenged by Donna Stone, and worked for his primary campaign for the Senate seat now held by Bonini. I'm not some party hack, I vote the person, not the party.
Never, ever could I or would I cast a vote for Joe Biden, the man literally makes my skin crawl, and that first impression of him from 1983 has never changed over the ensuing 25 years.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 06:53 pm |
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Nice try, Hab...why not address the McCain blunders, first? Don't you think HIS blunders are more important...unless, of course, you think the VP portion of the ticket is more important. Many on the right seemed to have thought so...until recently.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 06:35 pm |
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How many more "Biden moments" do you want, Fred?
I believe the rumors about him stepping down as much as I believe the rumors that I am the next heir to the British Throne, but he is not doing the top of his ticket any good with his idiotic pronouncements. Did you catch the doozy about presidential involvement in financial crises in the interview with Couric? If I remember my history correctly, FDR was not President in 1929, nor did he go on TV to talk about what happened........
I think that has gotten drowned out by his faulting the Obama camp in regard to the as about McCain not using email.
Then there is today's thing about no more coal plants in the US? Is this guy seriously trying to blow it for his ticket in critical places like southwester VA, western PA, Ohio, WV?
What is wrong with him?
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Sorry, but that is not brashness...it is called being unable to see the chair from where you are up on the stage. Not sure if you have ever been up on a stage where there are bright lights in your eyes, but you can't see the audience very well.
Embarassing? Sure...but not exactly what the anti-Bidenists were hoping for, now was it? Certainly not even in the same league as "The Fundementals are sound", is it? I know he didn't mean to channel/remember Herbert Hoover, but THAT will be the classic "foot in mouth" for decades to come.
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Guess you didn't see the one where he ask a man who was in a wheelchair to stand up and introduce home self
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=170853&comments=1
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No, I have not, but I would suspect it comes from that same source that was saying Biden was going to step down because of the Palin pick.
Biden was picked exactly because he was a bit fiery. Obama knew what he was getting, and also knew he was taking a risk that Biden would have a Biden moment. Biden has done remarkably well, or at least hasn't made the foot in the mouth statements that the McCain camp has done.
I really think that given the relative picks of the two candidates for President, and we've gotten past the "shiny new thing" stateg, Obama made the better choice.
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Has anyone heard the rumor : Biden plans on stepping down from his VP candidacy , He is having trouble with Obama's team concerning his flamboyancy.
Obama's team is trying to put a bit in his mouth and a bridle on him. I don't see him letting that happen, he would rather stay in the Senate then deal with being reined in.
Biden seems to be on a acting stage but soon he will be bored with the main character ( Obama ) Some how this may be wishful thinking I see Obama going back to Hilary with his coat tails and top hat begging for her and Bill's influence and guidance.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 11:42 am |
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Oh, yeah, the great evil media. In case you haven't noticed, Hab, there have actually been other things going on. Just like the it is the liberal media who keeps focusing on Palin. Tell you what....go to the front page of the Huffington Post and see how many times Palin's name appears.
They HAVE been showing the contrast, just not in a paint by numbers way. They showed how each reacted to the crisis last week....and, according to George Will, McCain performed badly. He seemed ill-tempered more than a few times, even when he struggled to try to smile.
Look...the media LOVED Palin. They loved the story, they loved the "Palin lick", they loved her background and she occupied 60% of the media's stories the week after she got elected. The next week was spent investigating them, and now she is not much of a story, except when she is stonewalling investigations in her home state, or allowing Washington insiders to tell her how to handle it.
I don't think the pick "back-fired"; it got him attention, it got him money, and it took away the buzz from Obama's acceptance speech. It worked better than any other plan he could have gotten. See, if he focuses on himself, he loses.
George Will has been luke-warm to McCain; he doesn't like Obama, either, but he sums up a bad week for McCain for shooting from the hip and making rookie mistakes...
It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 06:43 am |
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Habanero wrote:
The Palin pick is backfiring on McCain about as much, but most likely far less, than the Biden pick by Obama. The media is doing everything it can to keep the contrast between Obama and McCain out of the limelight. Recent turn outs for Biden events and Palin events and the media coverage of those turnouts are proof of it.
VP choices are ALWAYS picked for the political capital they can bring to the number one spot. Anyone who doesn't understand that, doesn't understand politics.
In picking Palin, who has being talked about for the #2 spot since the spring, says that McCain has learned his lesson about turning against conservatives. Obama choosing Biden for the #2 slot says Obama doesn't have much hope for change.
In your dreams. In case you haven't noticed, Obama is over 50% in the polls today.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 03:09 am |
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The Palin pick is backfiring on McCain about as much, but most likely far less, than the Biden pick by Obama. The media is doing everything it can to keep the contrast between Obama and McCain out of the limelight. Recent turn outs for Biden events and Palin events and the media coverage of those turnouts are proof of it.
VP choices are ALWAYS picked for the political capital they can bring to the number one spot. Anyone who doesn't understand that, doesn't understand politics.
In picking Palin, who has being talked about for the #2 spot since the spring, says that McCain has learned his lesson about turning against conservatives. Obama choosing Biden for the #2 slot says Obama doesn't have much hope for change.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 01:46 pm |
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Fred wrote: I don't think the "camp" is doing it, either.
I think as many right wingers are keeping it in the spotlight as Dems are, because they would rather talk about her than John. Now, it might be the usual right wing playbook...someone in the Oshkosh Weekly Shooper puts an anti-Palin ad, and the right, self-rightously quivering in indignation, elevates it to "proof" that the left wing hates Palin.
Not sure why the right sees everything as having to have a "hate" or "scare" element in it. I don't hate Palin, I don't hate McCain. There were other, better Republicans out there that I would have disagreed with as much, or even more, but I could see it in the event something happens to McCain.
McCain picked Palin for the political capital she could bring...nothing more, nothing less. It is certainly his right, but I think it is already beginning to backfire on him, as serious conservatives realize what John has done...and the fact that the Palin bump has gone back where it was before the conventions.
The Rightwingers are simply projecting their "hate" for all things that differ from themselves when they accuse the Democrats and everybody else of "hating". It's consistent with the paranoid mindset that seems to be a criteria for membership in this group. That's why they are constantly whinning and complaining about persecution.
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I don't think the "camp" is doing it, either.
I think as many right wingers are keeping it in the spotlight as Dems are, because they would rather talk about her than John. Now, it might be the usual right wing playbook...someone in the Oshkosh Weekly Shooper puts an anti-Palin ad, and the right, self-rightously quivering in indignation, elevates it to "proof" that the left wing hates Palin.
Not sure why the right sees everything as having to have a "hate" or "scare" element in it. I don't hate Palin, I don't hate McCain. There were other, better Republicans out there that I would have disagreed with as much, or even more, but I could see it in the event something happens to McCain.
McCain picked Palin for the political capital she could bring...nothing more, nothing less. It is certainly his right, but I think it is already beginning to backfire on him, as serious conservatives realize what John has done...and the fact that the Palin bump has gone back where it was before the conventions.
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Habanero wrote: Of course they are keeping the focus on Palin, they have no choice. I mean really, does anyone in their right mind actually believe that Mrs. Obama was refering to herself with the "cute" remark. Mrs. Obama is neither cute, nore is she running for office. And I must assume she was not referring to her husband, as she did say "her" in her comment, and anyway he is only cute in an Alfred e. Newman kinda way.
Mrs. Obama has a winning smile and an engaging intellect. You folks just have no class. You can put lipstick on a pig...
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| Of course they are keeping the focus on Palin, they have no choice. I mean really, does anyone in their right mind actually believe that Mrs. Obama was refering to herself with the "cute" remark. Mrs. Obama is neither cute, nore is she running for office. And I must assume she was not referring to her husband, as she did say "her" in her comment, and anyway he is only cute in an Alfred e. Newman kinda way.
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They hate it when you're right Hab. If the camp wasn't doing everything possible to keep the focus on Palin, why is she grabbing so many headlines and questions about her personal life?
Habanero wrote:
UHM, Fred, I think you have been proven wrong. The Obama/Biden camp is doing everything in its power to keep the attention on Palin and off of them --- and the LSM is being very cooperative.
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Habanero wrote: Fred wrote:
I don't think so, Hab. What have Barrack or Joe said about Sarah this week? They are focusing on McCain, and well they should. Heck, I thought Sarah would fold under the pressure, but it is beginning to look like McCain can't handle it.
Fred, reread what I posted. I said the "camp" as in campaign, not Obama or Biden personally.
Of course this depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
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Fred wrote:
I don't think so, Hab. What have Barrack or Joe said about Sarah this week? They are focusing on McCain, and well they should. Heck, I thought Sarah would fold under the pressure, but it is beginning to look like McCain can't handle it.
Fred, reread what I posted. I said the "camp" as in campaign, not Obama or Biden personally.
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Habanero wrote: From August 24th:
Fred wrote:
Yes, there are those Hillary fans....but they will be less influential than the Republican Ron Paul fans in the general election.
Look....Obama had several variations of the campaign literature with various VPs, and the McCain campaign had the various attack ads ready regardless of who Obama picked....and I suspect that Obama will do the same with whoever McCain picks. It will cause a bit of flurry in the press for a week or so in both cases, will cause another flurry when they have the VP debate, and it will be a minor issue from then on.
UHM, Fred, I think you have been proven wrong. The Obama/Biden camp is doing everything in its power to keep the attention on Palin and off of them --- and the LSM is being very cooperative.
I don't think so, Hab. What have Barrack or Joe said about Sarah this week? They are focusing on McCain, and well they should. Heck, I thought Sarah would fold under the pressure, but it is beginning to look like McCain can't handle it.
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| Fred, the source I posted last time was the Tax Foundation which posts a comparison of all the candidates tax plans, including the nut jobs like Cynthia McKinney..
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Habanero wrote: From August 24th:
Fred wrote:
Yes, there are those Hillary fans....but they will be less influential than the Republican Ron Paul fans in the general election.
Look....Obama had several variations of the campaign literature with various VPs, and the McCain campaign had the various attack ads ready regardless of who Obama picked....and I suspect that Obama will do the same with whoever McCain picks. It will cause a bit of flurry in the press for a week or so in both cases, will cause another flurry when they have the VP debate, and it will be a minor issue from then on.
UHM, Fred, I think you have been proven wrong. The Obama/Biden camp is doing everything in its power to keep the attention on Palin and off of them --- and the LSM is being very cooperative.
Ah, the sun will rise tonight at 9:00 p.m. sharp.
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From August 24th:
Fred wrote:
Yes, there are those Hillary fans....but they will be less influential than the Republican Ron Paul fans in the general election.
Look....Obama had several variations of the campaign literature with various VPs, and the McCain campaign had the various attack ads ready regardless of who Obama picked....and I suspect that Obama will do the same with whoever McCain picks. It will cause a bit of flurry in the press for a week or so in both cases, will cause another flurry when they have the VP debate, and it will be a minor issue from then on.
UHM, Fred, I think you have been proven wrong. The Obama/Biden camp is doing everything in its power to keep the attention on Palin and off of them --- and the LSM is being very cooperative.
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Playing the Game wrote: Fred - Allowing the cuts to expire is the same thing as raising taxes, unless you are a Liberal of course.
Fred wrote:
I haven't addressed corporate income taxes yet. That will get a bit more difficult, because I suspect it won't be tax increases as much as allowing some temporary ones to expire.
You beat me to it, PTG.
Fred, you know better than to make that sort of a silly statement. It's the same type statement as saying a department budget was cut because they only got a 2% increase in funding instead of 4%.
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Fred - Allowing the cuts to expire is the same thing as raising taxes, unless you are a Liberal of course.
Fred wrote:
I haven't addressed corporate income taxes yet. That will get a bit more difficult, because I suspect it won't be tax increases as much as allowing some temporary ones to expire.
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Hartlyboy wrote: What source are you looking at now that says they will both reduce taxes? McCain suggests cutting corporate taxes over 5 years but Obama wants to increase both income and SS taxes. I'm relying on the non-partisan sources I thought we agreed to use to discuss tax plans. Don't go wobbly on me now or we'll be right back to he said, she said.
Jumping back to the subject of this thread, did Biden actually say today that his first wife was killed by a drunken truck driver? What a crock. The accident reports at the time had no reference to alcohol involved with either driver and the trucker wasn't even charged in the accident. Unfortunately his wife seems to have made a mistake and pulled out in front of the truck. Why on earth would he make up something like that ? I guess since the truck driver died in 1999, and can't sue the ditz, he figures it makes a better story or something. The whole thing was tragic enough without embellishing it.
Why don't you post that non-partisan sources, then? I've posted where he will cut income taxes overall by several trillion. I haven't addressed corporate income taxes yet. That will get a bit more difficult, because I suspect it won't be tax increases as much as allowing some temporary ones to expire. That is significant, because budget deficit numbers are predicated on these expiring.
Here is another pretty balanced article on the tax cuts, AND the consequences of both in terms of the budget.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/08/voters-weighing-obama-mccain-tax-plans/
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HB, did Biden actually use the bogus drunk driving thing AGAIN? Today?
I thought the man was supposedly so intelligent, at least that's what the campaign keeps telling us............
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What source are you looking at now that says they will both reduce taxes? McCain suggests cutting corporate taxes over 5 years but Obama wants to increase both income and SS taxes. I'm relying on the non-partisan sources I thought we agreed to use to discuss tax plans. Don't go wobbly on me now or we'll be right back to he said, she said.
Jumping back to the subject of this thread, did Biden actually say today that his first wife was killed by a drunken truck driver? What a crock. The accident reports at the time had no reference to alcohol involved with either driver and the trucker wasn't even charged in the accident. Unfortunately his wife seems to have made a mistake and pulled out in front of the truck. Why on earth would he make up something like that ? I guess since the truck driver died in 1999, and can't sue the ditz, he figures it makes a better story or something. The whole thing was tragic enough without embellishing it.
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