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http://headlesshorseman2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/biden-pay-taxes-to-be-patriot.html
Now didn't the other party say BHO want's to raise taxes ?
Oh wait BHO is Robin Hood and Biden is little John one of his Merry Men
and then there's Wright, Ayers , Rezko , Kilpatrick , Dohrn and now Raines ! all who live in a Enchanted Forest ( yea yea I know Sherwood Forest )
Freddy Mac - Fanny Mae was one of kingdoms that were raided .
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Rightwinger wrote: Terrance wrote: I don't want another 4 years of Bush thank you. I'll vote for Obama.
Obama has shown me he cares more about his personal agenda than he
does about this country. He threw his friend , of 20 years under the bus
when the heat was turned up, after saying he considered him like an
"Uncle". He continues to change his stand on policies when he thinks he
is losing in the polls. This man can not be trusted.
Mc Cain has more experience and has a BACKBONE!
Mc Cain is not running for King of the World. Mc Cain knows how to make a
decision and vote YES or NO on issues.
McCain will continue Bush's economic policies.
Stop repeating talking points. Obama stood by his friend after everything hit the fan. I've never seen any politician do that. His friend then felt it necessary to further exacerbate the situation by doing 2 televised interviews that only made everything worse. With friends like that you don't need enemies.
Forget the hyperbole. Take a look at the videos in these links and then tell me about McCain:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/325.html
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/390.html
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/272.html
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 12:01 pm |
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Terrance wrote: I don't want another 4 years of Bush thank you. I'll vote for Obama.
Obama has shown me he cares more about his personal agenda than he
does about this country. He threw his friend , of 20 years under the bus
when the heat was turned up, after saying he considered him like an
"Uncle". He continues to change his stand on policies when he thinks he
is losing in the polls. This man can not be trusted.
Mc Cain has more experience and has a BACKBONE!
Mc Cain is not running for King of the World. Mc Cain knows how to make a
decision and vote YES or NO on issues.
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Bush isn't running for President.
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| I don't want another 4 years of Bush thank you. I'll vote for Obama.
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R-E N-O. If we had veto-proof majorities of conservative minds who would pledge to serve but one term in whatever legislative house, then go home and never again be a public office candidate, I could agree.
Sadly, our choices are increasingly becoming the lesser of the evils. The money involved in a public office candidacy is such that they're all somewhat bought and paid for by the time they take the oath of office. And the 24/7 media scrutiny of the candidate, all known family members and friends, and anyone who's ever come in contact with them...well, if the playground bully was your best friend in 3rd grade, you're done.
(Just be sure to put some lipstick on that pig before you kiss it!) 
Senator McCain isn't the strongest Republican candidate, and he is sure no conservative. But, when you look at Senator Obama, and his desire to turn our federal government into a Socialist-Communist cabal...anybody still able and willing to use the brain and good sense that God created them with will not vote for him. Better 4 years of McCain, and start fresh in 2012.
Markell and Lee? Delaware needs a fresh approach to government, and Judge Lee would give that, even if for 1 term only. Markell would be 8 more years of Democrat rule, 8 more years of the same rhetoric, just the names and faces changed out to protect previous guilt.
Democrat = Secular Progressive = Socialist = Communist = Tyrannist.
Republican = Gutless. (The mass media will not otherwise provide coverage.)
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| It takes a village to evict an idiot...................Vote for real change, toss every incumbent out of office.
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Playing the Game wrote: Haven't the Dems held the majority for the past 2 years. They are too busy investigating baseball and Karl Rove to bother with running the government.
Gee everyone is so dang blasted bent out of shape when that 2 years is brought up and have to bring up the years of R control that they forget that the Democrats controlled congress for how many decades prior to those years. The in between years of R control pale in significance.
Get a grip people, what we are facing now did not occur over night, but it is no where near what you doom and gloomers claim it to be and if you quit whining it can change.
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| My point in creating this thread was to get him out of office for good........................
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/biden_taxes_3
Not only do we NOT need Joe as VP, we need to vote him out of the US Senate as well.
Democrat = Secular Progressive = Socialist = Communist = Tyrannist.
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| Ah, so the 'minor changes' to the tax code would only affect 5% of the population? Perhaps we should have a little open discussion on this forum about just what Obama's plan is and who would be affected. That should be good publicity for your candidate, no? Let's find out who will get a chance to be a super patriot.
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Bixby wrote: Fred wrote: Yes, it IS patriotic to support our government. Bet you LOVED the dozen or so religious references he threw in there as well, didn't you? "Support" implies a voluntary action and not something coerced by government. When you are forced to surrender a majority of your earnings, achievements, or accomplishments so it can be redistributed to others who do not do so or have not done so, is that a kind of patriotism? That's pure Karl Marx.
I don't think the minor changes to the tax code for the 5% of Americans that Obama's tax plan will hit will even approach a "majority" of their income. However, as you are "forced" to surrender a portion of your income each month so it can be redistributed to the various things the government does right now, how is that any different?
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Bixby wrote: Fred wrote: Yes, it IS patriotic to support our government. Bet you LOVED the dozen or so religious references he threw in there as well, didn't you? "Support" implies a voluntary action and not something coerced by government. When you are forced to surrender a majority of your earnings, achievements, or accomplishments so it can be redistributed to others who do not do so or have not done so, is that a kind of patriotism? That's pure Karl Marx.
Are you against funding our military? How about Iraq? Please answer.
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Fred wrote: Yes, it IS patriotic to support our government. Bet you LOVED the dozen or so religious references he threw in there as well, didn't you? "Support" implies a voluntary action and not something coerced by government. When you are forced to surrender a majority of your earnings, achievements, or accomplishments so it can be redistributed to others who do not do so or have not done so, is that a kind of patriotism? That's pure Karl Marx.
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Yes, it IS patriotic to support our government.
Bet you LOVED the dozen or so religious references he threw in there as well, didn't you?
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Playing the Game wrote: Like today when he told his audience it is the patriotic thing for us to do to pay higher taxes to get out of the mess we are in.
I think it would be patriotic of our Senators to force the reduction of Federal Spending to get us out of the mess they put us in.
Where exactly would you start? Would you cut the 20 billion we spend each month in Iraq? How about the overall military budget?
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Like today when he told his audience it is the patriotic thing for us to do to pay higher taxes to get out of the mess we are in.
I think it would be patriotic of our Senators to force the reduction of Federal Spending to get us out of the mess they put us in.
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It is SO good to see Biden on the offensive. You want religion....Joe's got your religion RIGHT here. EXCELLENT way to take it back from the self-righteous.
For waaay too long Dems have folded when under attack rather than attacking like a pitbull without lipstick. I think that may well be why traditionally young voters rally behind the Dems, but lose interest as the election gets closer. This may well be the year that things are different. Biden can be nasty, and even if he puts his foot in his mouth (which I expect)...it can't be any worse than what the McCain campaign has put forth by such people as Carly the Harpy.
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Playing the Game wrote: Haven't the Dems held the majority for the past 2 years. They are too busy investigating baseball and Karl Rove to bother with running the government.
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Hartlyboy wrote: People can, and rightfully will, dismiss any off the cuff or verbal slips such as Biden makes with some regularity. It really doesn't reflect the capability or credibilty of a candidate although it gives the partisan crowds something to play with.
More serious are comments by Biden who was ranting on TV this morning about how the Republicans weren't monitoring Wall Street closely enough and that's why we have the problems we have today. That's plain BS and moves toward a damn lie. He pointedly ignores the fact he was one of those who voted in 1999 to force banks to 'ease up' on restrictions on loans for less qualified people to 'help' the housing industry. If he was honest about his role in all this, he could claim to be one of the authors of subprime mortgages, which are the actual cancer that started the current mess. True, he has a lot of company from Congress and his ex-President but doesn't common sense suggest that you not toss rocks while in a glass house?
The CEOs who took the ball and ran with it to bundle all that worthless paper and sell it to each other are real villians and those guys are both Democrats and Republicans. Actually, a skew toward the Democrats, but that's irrelevant in the big picture.
Does Bush have any blame in any of this? Does the majority Republican congress have any? Do you remember the K Street fiasco? What about Graham?
You know better than that. All the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. The Republican scoundrels that had control of everything for 6 years have contaminated everything and they are still able to block everything in the Senate with the help of a few Democrats who are shills for certain corporate interests.
When someone burns down your house and steals everything of value that was in it, it takes a little time to rebuild.
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Haven't the Dems held the majority for the past 2 years. They are too busy investigating baseball and Karl Rove to bother with running the government.
Terrance wrote:
Hartlyboy wrote: People can, and rightfully will, dismiss any off the cuff or verbal slips such as Biden makes with some regularity. It really doesn't reflect the capability or credibilty of a candidate although it gives the partisan crowds something to play with.
More serious are comments by Biden who was ranting on TV this morning about how the Republicans weren't monitoring Wall Street closely enough and that's why we have the problems we have today. That's plain BS and moves toward a damn lie. He pointedly ignores the fact he was one of those who voted in 1999 to force banks to 'ease up' on restrictions on loans for less qualified people to 'help' the housing industry. If he was honest about his role in all this, he could claim to be one of the authors of subprime mortgages, which are the actual cancer that started the current mess. True, he has a lot of company from Congress and his ex-President but doesn't common sense suggest that you not toss rocks while in a glass house?
The CEOs who took the ball and ran with it to bundle all that worthless paper and sell it to each other are real villians and those guys are both Democrats and Republicans. Actually, a skew toward the Democrats, but that's irrelevant in the big picture.
Does Bush have any blame in any of this? Does the majority Republican congress have any? Do you remember the K Street fiasco? What about Graham?
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Pathetic trap attempt by caller
The new liberal buzz-word for the election is 'middle class'. Every other word out of Joe Biden's gaffe producing mouth is middle class (the other 'ever other' Biden word is Amtrak) and Barack Obama has been stepping up his usage of it too. As Glenn Beck was pointing this out today, and talking about this attempt by the left to manufacture a class war, a caller called up and attempted to trap Glenn. Ladies and gentlemen, Glenn may be a recovering alcoholic former drug addict -- but he's not going to succumb to a pitiful trap attempt like this one. Read the transcript.
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Hartlyboy wrote: People can, and rightfully will, dismiss any off the cuff or verbal slips such as Biden makes with some regularity. It really doesn't reflect the capability or credibilty of a candidate although it gives the partisan crowds something to play with.
More serious are comments by Biden who was ranting on TV this morning about how the Republicans weren't monitoring Wall Street closely enough and that's why we have the problems we have today. That's plain BS and moves toward a damn lie. He pointedly ignores the fact he was one of those who voted in 1999 to force banks to 'ease up' on restrictions on loans for less qualified people to 'help' the housing industry. If he was honest about his role in all this, he could claim to be one of the authors of subprime mortgages, which are the actual cancer that started the current mess. True, he has a lot of company from Congress and his ex-President but doesn't common sense suggest that you not toss rocks while in a glass house?
The CEOs who took the ball and ran with it to bundle all that worthless paper and sell it to each other are real villians and those guys are both Democrats and Republicans. Actually, a skew toward the Democrats, but that's irrelevant in the big picture.
Does Bush have any blame in any of this? Does the majority Republican congress have any? Do you remember the K Street fiasco? What about Graham?
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People can, and rightfully will, dismiss any off the cuff or verbal slips such as Biden makes with some regularity. It really doesn't reflect the capability or credibilty of a candidate although it gives the partisan crowds something to play with.
More serious are comments by Biden who was ranting on TV this morning about how the Republicans weren't monitoring Wall Street closely enough and that's why we have the problems we have today. That's plain BS and moves toward a damn lie. He pointedly ignores the fact he was one of those who voted in 1999 to force banks to 'ease up' on restrictions on loans for less qualified people to 'help' the housing industry. If he was honest about his role in all this, he could claim to be one of the authors of subprime mortgages, which are the actual cancer that started the current mess. True, he has a lot of company from Congress and his ex-President but doesn't common sense suggest that you not toss rocks while in a glass house?
The CEOs who took the ball and ran with it to bundle all that worthless paper and sell it to each other are real villians and those guys are both Democrats and Republicans. Actually, a skew toward the Democrats, but that's irrelevant in the big picture.
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If the best "blunder" is the "shush a moment" to interupt what I expect was a cheering/agreeing crowd (and I didn't see that part; I only got to watch about 20 minutes of it) you guys are stretching...REALLY stretching.
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Playing the Game wrote: I love being right....................................
Fred wrote:
Biden did it right today. He went after McCain, as he should....and struck some blows. CR might have said something like this, but I DO hope that is the tactic. Don't worry about Palin, BOTH of them should go after McCain.
Right again PTG. Please don't make me have to agree with you more than once a day. It would cause too much cognitive dissonance for the other bloggers.Last edited on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 03:38 am by Terrance
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Habanero wrote: Oh yeah, Biden did it right today --- such "high road taking" introducers the campaign has --- calling Biden's opponent a "bucket of fluff?"
Real classy there, Fred, real classy.
And then in typical Biden shoestore in mouth fashion, telling an audience member "Shush up a moment"
Yup, that's the high road alright.
Try saying something positive now and then. It will save you money on all the prune juice.
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Oh yeah, Biden did it right today --- such "high road taking" introducers the campaign has --- calling Biden's opponent a "bucket of fluff?"
Real classy there, Fred, real classy.
And then in typical Biden shoestore in mouth fashion, telling an audience member "Shush up a moment"
Yup, that's the high road alright.
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I love being right....................................
Fred wrote:
Biden did it right today. He went after McCain, as he should....and struck some blows. CR might have said something like this, but I DO hope that is the tactic. Don't worry about Palin, BOTH of them should go after McCain.
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Fred wrote: I think it was, but if it was not....GOOD.
I'm borrowing a page (no, not the Republican Senator kind of borrowing) and deciding I am tired of playing defense. I agree that the Dems should go on the offense, and NOT play nice and hope that the American public sees through the lies. Heck, McCain knows how well that doesn't work when he remembers what Bush did to him down South, so he isn't going to play that way.
Fight. Fight clean if you can, but go as dirty as you have to. I don't want another Kerry or Gore NOT calling out them out on their relative service, as an example. Righties learned a valuable lesson, and that is they repeat a lie over and over and over again, and if you can get Rush and Sean and the rest of that crowd to either say it directly or imply it is true, the "true believers" will believe it regardless of the proof shown to them.
Biden did it right today. He went after McCain, as he should....and struck some blows. CR might have said something like this, but I DO hope that is the tactic. Don't worry about Palin, BOTH of them should go after McCain. Sorry, but Obama and Biden attacking McCain versus McCain and Palin attacking Obama is a whitewash for the Dems.
Heck, the second part won't be that hard....McCain will be loathe to get more than 5 feet away from Palin at any event.
Didn't you see the video of McBush saying that he and Palin were "soul mates"?
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I think it was, but if it was not....GOOD.
I'm borrowing a page (no, not the Republican Senator kind of borrowing) and deciding I am tired of playing defense. I agree that the Dems should go on the offense, and NOT play nice and hope that the American public sees through the lies. Heck, McCain knows how well that doesn't work when he remembers what Bush did to him down South, so he isn't going to play that way.
Fight. Fight clean if you can, but go as dirty as you have to. I don't want another Kerry or Gore NOT calling out them out on their relative service, as an example. Righties learned a valuable lesson, and that is they repeat a lie over and over and over again, and if you can get Rush and Sean and the rest of that crowd to either say it directly or imply it is true, the "true believers" will believe it regardless of the proof shown to them.
Biden did it right today. He went after McCain, as he should....and struck some blows. CR might have said something like this, but I DO hope that is the tactic. Don't worry about Palin, BOTH of them should go after McCain. Sorry, but Obama and Biden attacking McCain versus McCain and Palin attacking Obama is a whitewash for the Dems.
Heck, the second part won't be that hard....McCain will be loathe to get more than 5 feet away from Palin at any event.
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Joe Biden went to Archmere Academy?
Gee, isn't that where Tom Capano went to school?
They must not be teaching "ethics" up there!
I'll bet they both got an "A" in storytelling!
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Fred, the "email" ad was an attack ad, plain and simple and there is no way you can whitewash it. Especially when you try to whitewash it by using what Rove said.
No matter how you slice it and diceit that was not an issues ad and it was DEFINITELY not, as you claim, Dems takingthe high road with their ads.
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The point is not to compare his "working-class" status with anyone else, but the point is that he claimed such that did not exist. On another note, he often "shared" the plight of those who are considered "working-class poor" and how they should be helped. A noble gesture to be sure, hoiwever, ill practiced by Biden. In the last two years the Bidens earned over two and a half million dollars. How much was given to charity? $3,000. In the year he earned over $250,000, his charitable contribution, according to IRS records, was $196. This fits Biden's pattern of exaggeration.
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Yes, I do. He certainly has more of a middle class background than McCain, wouldn't you say? I grant that it is a bit like saying he is the poorest guy who belongs to a fine country club, but want to guess how he ranks in wealth compared to the other Senators? And if you eliminate his house, which is a nice one, want to guess where he THEN ranks?
Saw a bit of his speech today...righties will ignore it, because I didn't here him say one thing about McCain's VP candidate, so it won't register with them, but he kicked butt.
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Don’t ya just love the way Joe Biden tries to pass himself off as a guy from a poor, hard working class family born and bred in America’s rust belt? At the Dem convention he said, “those of us who grew up in middle-class neighborhoods like Scranton (PA) and Wilmington (DE).” In a video just preceding Joe’s acceptance address at the convention he said that people he knew as a boy didn’t consider themselves as working class but rather middle class. So what does the leftist liberal press report? They reported that his speech “harkened back to his working class roots in Scranton.” (Washington Post) “Joe Biden showcased his working class upbringing.” (The Wall Street Journal) “He spoke frequently, and earnestly, of his blue-collar background.” (The NY Times) The fact remains that he did no such thing but rather he did the opposite. “The legend of Joe Biden, born in a welding shop, dies hard with political reporters, who find it easier to romanticize a gritty, hardscrabble childhood than a comfortable one.” (Human Events)
The truth is that when Joe Biden Sr. died in 2002, his obituary told a different story. When the Senior Biden married in 1941, “he was working as a sales representative for Amoco Oil Co. in Harrisburg (PA). Biden was also an executive in a Boston-based company that supplied waterproof sealant for US merchant marine ships built during WWII. After the war, he co-owned an airport and crop-dusting service on Long Island (NY).” When he and his family moved to Delaware, “Biden worked in the state first as a sales manager for auto dealerships and later in real estate condominium sales.” (The News Journal)
So what do we really have? We have an executive, a co-owner of an airport, and a manager, all of which describes a solid middle-class family, if not better. Joe Biden wrote a book, “Promises to Keep.” In it he describes his dad as “the most elegantly dressed, perfectly Manicured, perfectly tailored car sales manager Wilmington, Delaware has ever seen.” And as for Joe Junior, he was enrolled in Archmere Academy (a Catholic prep school) that made him think he had “died and gone to Yale.” (Promises to Keep) The tuition wasn’t cheap so Joe took on a summer job at $18,500 a year to help pay the tab. Not bad bucks for the day, huh? So where did Joe get his “working-class” reputation?
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The fact that the chief Republican strategist for the past 10 years admits that McCain's ads go over the line, even as he is saying sort of the same thing for Obama, is all you need to know. When Rove is forced to being "fair", the blame is not 50/50.
Nice play for the sympathy angle, as well, Hab. The exact quote is...
"I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don't expect to be a great communicator, I don't expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need."
Which implies that he CAN and DOES plan on getting the hang of these computer-thingies, with the Intertubes and all that, but that he is not. Does it mean he is out of touch because he doesn't use a computer?
Your argument that "my staff and secretary do all that" would have worked 10 years ago....it doesn't fly in today's world. I don't expect a CEO or a President to be tied to a computer, but I expect a bit more engagement than McCain had.
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Fred wrote: That really isn't the pont of the ad, is it Hab?
The point of the ad is that McCain is out of touch with the rest of America. I don't know if not knowing how to get on e-mail qualifiies, but it certainly wasn't the only or even the best example given. It IS certainly an excellent point to bring out; I doubt that less than 1% of voters under thirty don't have an email.
I thought the ad was great, though it was a bit risky, but I would much rather see the Dem candidate go after the Republican rather than always taking the high road and not getting down and dirty. I've heard waaay too often that the voters will see through the misstatements and lies they tell (heck, even Karl Rove is saying McCain's ads cross the line), and be it Kerry or Gore they don't respond in kind.
No More. I hope they bring out ALL the big guns. I hope that Obama can show in a debate that McCain doesn't have a grasp on the issues...maybe knowing the difference between a Sunni and a Shi'ite isn't important for some roles, but I think one determining policy in Iraq should have a pretty good idea about who is who.
And I surely pray that Biden has a "Bentsen" moment with Palin. I think she will handle the debate pretty well, but if I had to bet on which candidate will try a bit too hard, like Danny Boy did, it would be Palin.
I don't even know where to begin with this Fred................but for the moment I will stick with the email ad.....
He deals with his email every day, but due to injuries has a hard time with typing and so dictates his responses for someone else to type --- that is NOT not having or dealing with email. This subject cam up in the 2000 campaign and for the Obama camp to use such a atctic in an ad had nothing to do with issues, but just with attack and you have the audacity to clame the dems take the high road? Karl Rove said both sides had crossed some lines, but specified Obama's ads.
As to the Biden Palin debate --- I expect Biden will have another shoestore in mouth moment, like "Stand up Chuck."
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| Because you don't personally use a service does not place you out of touch with the country. How often do you think any elected leader in any country in the world personally uses email?
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Again, CR, the point isn't the email. It is one example of the ways that McCain is out of touch. Heck, even George Bush knows at least how to delete emails.....
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Fred it is doubtful that more than 1% of the under 30's who text and do all kinds of wonderful things with their parents money will even vote. Traditionallt they don't and this year isn't looking any better. Obama is tarnished in their minds by the Biden Pick.
I don't care that McCain doesn't do email, neither do the majority of his generation except to pass jokes along with theirfriends.
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Habanero wrote: I'm not sure I agree with you Fred. I mean really, a campaign ad faulting John McCain for not using email? That's really focuing on the issues, isn't it?
I agree with you that the media is keeping the focus on Palin, but the LSM is definitely not right wing. Just read the posts on here, it's the left wingers around here keeping the focus on her, while rightwinger that I am try to keep reminding folks that Obama is running against McCain, not Palin.
The wheels are coming off the donkey cart, and the ride's getting bumpy. As typical of the left, instead of stopping to fix the cart.........their solution is ranting and raving, instead of logically fixing the thing.
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That really isn't the pont of the ad, is it Hab?
The point of the ad is that McCain is out of touch with the rest of America. I don't know if not knowing how to get on e-mail qualifiies, but it certainly wasn't the only or even the best example given. It IS certainly an excellent point to bring out; I doubt that less than 1% of voters under thirty don't have an email.
I thought the ad was great, though it was a bit risky, but I would much rather see the Dem candidate go after the Republican rather than always taking the high road and not getting down and dirty. I've heard waaay too often that the voters will see through the misstatements and lies they tell (heck, even Karl Rove is saying McCain's ads cross the line), and be it Kerry or Gore they don't respond in kind.
No More. I hope they bring out ALL the big guns. I hope that Obama can show in a debate that McCain doesn't have a grasp on the issues...maybe knowing the difference between a Sunni and a Shi'ite isn't important for some roles, but I think one determining policy in Iraq should have a pretty good idea about who is who.
And I surely pray that Biden has a "Bentsen" moment with Palin. I think she will handle the debate pretty well, but if I had to bet on which candidate will try a bit too hard, like Danny Boy did, it would be Palin.
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Fred wrote: I don't know, CR...Obama has pretty much focused his campaign ads and speeches against McCain. It is the media and the right wingers who are keeping Palin in the forefront because they would rather talk about her than McCain.
I'm not sure I agree with you Fred. I mean really, a campaign ad faulting John McCain for not using email? That's really focuing on the issues, isn't it?
I agree with you that the media is keeping the focus on Palin, but the LSM is definitely not right wing. Just read the posts on here, it's the left wingers around here keeping the focus on her, while rightwinger that I am try to keep reminding folks that Obama is running against McCain, not Palin.
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Amazing how TErrance drowns out discussion he doesn't like with repetetive posts and multiple posts expressing his opinion to bury the others.
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Maybe we can offer him a double whammy this year and not re-elect him as Senator or V-P. Then he could finally be the regular Joe he says he is. Maybe he can re-trace his roots in Scranton and move back there.
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| I don't know, CR...Obama has pretty much focused his campaign ads and speeches against McCain. It is the media and the right wingers who are keeping Palin in the forefront because they would rather talk about her than McCain.
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DE19899 wrote: Also from personal experience, Joe Biden is arrogant and elitist. He has never helped Delaware unless it benefits him - also from experience with that man. Too bad the rest of the nation is being shielded from the real Joe Biden. Joe Biden is all about Joe Biden.
Unlike McBush. The guy who dumped his ailing wife and married a million bucks. Talk about opportunists. Have you noticed how he kissed up to Bush to secure his nomination?
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Playing the Game wrote: How can you possibly profess to be an agent of change, and pick a 30+ years member of the Washington Establishment with lots of baggage as your running mate?
Obama needs to stop running against Palin and start running against McCain if he hopes to win the election.
I hate giving the opposition the play book.....................................
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Habanero wrote: Actually Fred, people are turning away from voting for Obama because of the Biden pick.
Actually Obama's numbers were up after the convention and that included Biden. Then Palin was selected and McBush's numbers went up.
Biden didn't hurt Obama. Palin seems to have made McBush.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 01:55 am |
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| Maybe we can offer him a double whammy this year and not re-elect him as Senator or V-P. Then he could finally be the regular Joe he says he is. Maybe he can re-trace his roots in Scranton and move back there.
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