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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 01:52 am |
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| Also from personal experience, Joe Biden is arrogant and elitist. He has never helped Delaware unless it benefits him - also from experience with that man. Too bad the rest of the nation is being shielded from the real Joe Biden. Joe Biden is all about Joe Biden.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 01:24 am |
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How can you possibly profess to be an agent of change, and pick a 30+ years member of the Washington Establishment with lots of baggage as your running mate?
Obama needs to stop running against Palin and start running against McCain if he hopes to win the election.
I hate giving the opposition the play book.....................................
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Posted: Sun Sep 14th, 2008 12:19 am |
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Fred wrote:
Biden is, and was a solid pick.
I disagree, but as I have said in other posts it is a personal, not political thing, although I do believe that politically Obama could have made a better choice.
He is one of the top 5 people he could have picked and while I could argue I would have liked this or that person better, it does not change the dynamics of the race because people are still voting for Obama, not Biden. Can you honestly say that for the Republicans?
Actually Fred, people are turning away from voting for Obama because of the Biden pick. I have talked with more people who were on the fence who now won't vote for Obama because of the Biden pick than I have hear say they will vote for McCain because of the Palin pick. I'm not tossing any of those votes to either candidate, just telling you what I've been hearing.
The Obama campaign, with the help of the media are making the Palin choice an issue and ignoring the Biden choice. Obama is NOT running against Palin, but danged if you can tell that reading or listening to the MSM.
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Fred wrote: UPDATE: What he actually said was..
"Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let's get that straight. She's easily qualified to be VP and quite frankly she might have been a better pick than me."
Which saying that she "might" have been a better pick is a lot different then what the Right wingers are saying he said, wouldn't you say? There was Wolf Blitzer (CNN) asking the question that Barack Obama may have second (or even third) thoughts about Biden and could he be thinking of replacing him with Hillary Clinton? All that Joe would have to do is to resign and it's easy going from there. Obama is desperate about the gains that the Republicans are making as the national polls indicate. Admittedly its the polls in the battleground states that really count. I think that the pick of Sarah Palin has the Democrats worried.
Could Biden's statement above be a prelude to such a deal?
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"Nit Picking?"No, Bix, just quoting exactly what he said. Righties should try it sometime instead of studying which part of quotes they can leave off to make a snarky comment...and in this case, to do anything to try to run against even the spector of HIllary.
I did not excited by Biden's pick, but then again, I have NEVER been excited by the VP's pick. I am from the school that the VP provides some political or geographical balance, and don't really expect much from them. Did the pick of Dick Cheney excite anyone? Dan Quaile? George Bush? The most "excitement" that a pick generated I think would have been Dole's pick of Jack Kemp....and while I think he was certainly a good pick, no one voted for Dole becaue of Jack.
Biden is, and was a solid pick. He is one of the top 5 people he could have picked and while I could argue I would have liked this or that person better, it does not change the dynamics of the race because people are still voting for Obama, not Biden. Can you honestly say that for the Republicans?
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Bixby wrote: You are nit picking at words again. (Just words?) What the choice of Biden actually does is to try and compensate for the weakness on foreign and national security policy that Obama has. It was supposed to reassure voters, who were unnerved by Obama's confused reaction to the events between Russia and Georgia. Biden's selection actually reinforces the notion that the change that Obama rambles about in general terms was not really the change as voters had in mind. As former Speaker, Newt Gingrich, accurately pointed out: "Obama's choice for VP reminds people of the sad decline of a charasmatic, self-confident, almost hubristic performer (remember that Obama confidently told 200,000 Germans that he was a "fellow citizen of the world" just before his lead and self-confidence began to collapse).
Biden got 85 Senators to vote for his propasal on Iraq last year. It was the only intelligent thing on Iraq to come out of the Senate.
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You are nit picking at words again. (Just words?) What the choice of Biden actually does is to try and compensate for the weakness on foreign and national security policy that Obama has. It was supposed to reassure voters, who were unnerved by Obama's confused reaction to the events between Russia and Georgia. Biden's selection actually reinforces the notion that the change that Obama rambles about in general terms was not really the change as voters had in mind. As former Speaker, Newt Gingrich, accurately pointed out: "Obama's choice for VP reminds people of the sad decline of a charasmatic, self-confident, almost hubristic performer (remember that Obama confidently told 200,000 Germans that he was a "fellow citizen of the world" just before his lead and self-confidence began to collapse).
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 02:23 pm |
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Biden was being a bit modest, which was unchararistically of him, I grant.
He was one of the best people (5 or 10) that Obama could have picked. He balances Obama in that while one is a bit "cool", Joe can and will be a pitbull...without lipstick. He has a wide breadth of knowledge that I would want to have as someone working for me when I am trying to change the way things are...tough to change things if you don't have a clue the way things operate.
UPDATE: What he actually said was..
"Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let's get that straight. She's easily qualified to be VP and quite frankly she might have been a better pick than me."
Which saying that she "might" have been a better pick is a lot different then what the Right wingers are saying he said, wouldn't you say?
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If Obama is for "change", then why has he reached into the crypt to resurrect a member of the Washington establishment elite? Biden is no figure of change but a lifetime member of the Beltway boys. He is the reassurance for the establishment that whatever changes Senator Obama might bring will not threaten the Washington entrenched special interests, the very thing that the voters want changed. Even Biden said that he is not the best pick for VP but rather Hillary would have been a better choice. How does that play for Obama?
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Joe BIden has assured us he still has " Foot In Mouth" syndrome.
Yesterday, he told his audience, "Hillary Clinton probably would have been
a better choice for VP".
Ya gotta love it!
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Playing the Game wrote: Fred - Do you still have any tin foil I can borrow for a few months?
No third party nominees? Just exactly how much say so do you really think you have in any election einstein?
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Fred wrote: I didn't say you were a member of that group, but you can't say that she is not a darling of the hard core Rush loving right.
Joe did VERY well in the debates, even if it didn't show up in the polls. He more than held his own when he got a chance to speak...which isn't very often when you get 50 people up on stage. I can't remember too much of the debates other than two Biden moments which show you he can play on that stage...the "noun, a verb, and 9/11" comment on Rudy, and the "Yes" answer to the long winded question on whether he can control his long-windedness. Both great examples of Joe at his best.
The debate format will be part of the story. If it is the more standard, usual debate, she will not do as well if there is a more modern "town hall" type of debate. I think she might hold her own, but if you are thinking she will "wipe the floor" with him, you are wishing on a star.
Actually Fred, Palin is getting very negative comments from the hardcore right both because she still has children at home and because of her 17 year old being pregnant. Two things, I might add, that ALL of the left are attacking her for.
I will repeat what I said about Joe Biden, he is TALKER, not a debater. I will agree that during the primary debates he did actually have a few moments where his brain over ruled his mouth, but they were few and far between.
Even Biden himself today admitted Hillary Clinto would have been a better choice than him as VP. What kind of a message is that to the Party faithful? Is it the first hint that Joe knows he is going to be the next one thrown under the Obama bus? Are we going to see an Eagleton moment with Biden?
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| Fred - Do you still have any tin foil I can borrow for a few months?
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| Does the fact that every bank in the world as well as every major health care organization in the country is based in Delaware play into McCains lack of policy?I'm sure Biden is filling up his law writing pens as we speak and Biden is wide open considering his history as it pertains to both but McCain isn't touching him. Sometimes I wonder if a loss by McCain would still be a win for the Republican party in the long run.
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| So Joe actually said today that Hillary was more qualified than him to be V-P. He is such a help to his ticket and his party.
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I didn't say you were a member of that group, but you can't say that she is not a darling of the hard core Rush loving right.
Joe did VERY well in the debates, even if it didn't show up in the polls. He more than held his own when he got a chance to speak...which isn't very often when you get 50 people up on stage. I can't remember too much of the debates other than two Biden moments which show you he can play on that stage...the "noun, a verb, and 9/11" comment on Rudy, and the "Yes" answer to the long winded question on whether he can control his long-windedness. Both great examples of Joe at his best.
The debate format will be part of the story. If it is the more standard, usual debate, she will not do as well if there is a more modern "town hall" type of debate. I think she might hold her own, but if you are thinking she will "wipe the floor" with him, you are wishing on a star.
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Fred wrote: I've known she has been a darling of the hard right for a while, and Rush has been pushing for her, as well. However, I really can't see what you base your opinion that she has a chance of beating Joe in a debate.
She may be spunky, she may spend the next month sequestered as they try to pump facts into her before the October 2nd but there is NOTHING in her background to suggest that she could beat Joe in a debate. It is much more likely that Joe would either take her too lightly OR beat up on her so much that it elicts sympathy from regular people.
Joe IS a great debater, and his command of facts and his experience in those items that will be debated gives him a great advantage. You can hope for a win, or some other moral victory, or say that the VP debate is meaningless (Bentsen whooped up on Quaille for proof of that), but her cleaning up the floor with him? ONLY in your wildest dreams, to quote the Moody Blues.
For crying out loud, Fred, you know bloody well I am not a member of the "hard right" and never have been. And as for Limbaugh, you probably listen to him more than I do.
I base my opinion in regard to them in a debate upon what I have seen and heard from them both. Yes, I know that all I have sseen/heard from her over the past few years has been filtered through the media, but I do know Biden personally and interviewed him more than a few times. I can't even recall how many times I had to say something along the lines of "Senator, could you please stay on topic" in order to finish an interview. I once even told him point blank to shut up and stick to the subject because my engineer was getting pissed because we were well over my allotted studio time.
He is NOT a great debater, he IS a great talker and he is knowlegdeable, I won't deny that. However, he will not walk all over her. I don't have even half the moxie of Gov. Palin and I told the blowhard to shut up -- and I was only half her age and had no where near her experience at that time.
There is no question that Biden has more experience than Palin does on the legislative branch side of government, just as there is no question that McCain has more experience than O'Bama. Just as there is no question that Palin has more experience on the executive branch side of government than all 3 of them combined.
The point of the matter is that Biden and Palin are running for the #2 spot, not the #1 spot. That the media is all Palin all the time at the moment tells me something, and that something doesn't bode well for team Obama.
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Yup, Ole Joe is such a great debater and in such command of the facts that the 'regular people' who had a chance to nominate him for President gave him a single digit return on his run. He's a consumate politician who runs in a safely blue state. Let's not try to make him more than he is.....
I would tend to agree that the debates will not be very conclusive to the average listener as far as a winner or loser, though. The press will slobber over everything Joey says and make nasty comments about that oh so inexperienced Sarah while the Republicans will declare that whatever she says has the gravitas of the tablets from Moses. We just won't know until November how it all plays out...
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I've known she has been a darling of the hard right for a while, and Rush has been pushing for her, as well. However, I really can't see what you base your opinion that she has a chance of beating Joe in a debate.
She may be spunky, she may spend the next month sequestered as they try to pump facts into her before the October 2nd but there is NOTHING in her background to suggest that she could beat Joe in a debate. It is much more likely that Joe would either take her too lightly OR beat up on her so much that it elicts sympathy from regular people.
Joe IS a great debater, and his command of facts and his experience in those items that will be debated gives him a great advantage. You can hope for a win, or some other moral victory, or say that the VP debate is meaningless (Bentsen whooped up on Quaille for proof of that), but her cleaning up the floor with him? ONLY in your wildest dreams, to quote the Moody Blues.
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Rightwinger wrote: Habanero wrote:
The wife of a Presidential candidate is expected to be out on the campaign trail as much, and sometimes more, than the Vice-Presidential candidate so where is your harping about Mts. Obama neglecting her young daughters or Mrs. McCain neglecting their children while on the campaign trail?
Apparently that is fine in your book because it is the husband running for office and little wifey is expected to support his campaign.
You MCPs mever cease to amaze me...............you're just as bad as the leftwingers you claim to oppose.
Hab, I have never stated my gender on these blogs. What makes you think only
a man would have these views?
I don't give a rat's rearend if you are male or female - a misogynist is a misogynist regardless.
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Legends457 wrote: She has FAR, FAR more executive experience than anyone else running, including the #1 name on the ticket where she will appear as #2.
She does? Council seat local yokel politics, Mayor, and Gov for a few months? Commander of the weekend warriors National Guard.... Yeah right..... thats a good one Hab..... glad you supports are so enthused with her..... McCain is lost in his own legend. She has not accomplished anythng of any great substance with the exception of being a good mother and family woman. Thats it.... sorry... don't buy your opinion.
What executive experience do any of the other 3 have? And unlike Obama and Biden she has actually held REAL jobs, as opposed to only feeding at the government trough. And she's not an Ivy League ambulance chaser either.
BTW, she's got more experience than Obama, but guess what, she's running for the #2 spot, not the #1 spot.
I'll be looking forward to her mopping the floor with Biden during the VP debates --- it would be really cool if she carried in a box of Dunkin' Donuts and salaamed ole Plugs as she handed them to him.
Unlike many of the neanderthals around here I actually do my homework and have been well aware of this woman for quite some time.
I don't buy your opinion, either, so I guess we're even.
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Playing the Game wrote: I hate to crush you RW, but a female can still be a chauvinist, it's about attitude not sex.
I am well aware of that.
Hab referred to MCP's, I was simply stating that there are women as well as men
who agree with my views.
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| I hate to crush you RW, but a female can still be a chauvinist, it's about attitude not sex.
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Habanero wrote:
The wife of a Presidential candidate is expected to be out on the campaign trail as much, and sometimes more, than the Vice-Presidential candidate so where is your harping about Mts. Obama neglecting her young daughters or Mrs. McCain neglecting their children while on the campaign trail?
Apparently that is fine in your book because it is the husband running for office and little wifey is expected to support his campaign.
You MCPs mever cease to amaze me...............you're just as bad as the leftwingers you claim to oppose.
Hab, I have never stated my gender on these blogs. What makes you think only
a man would have these views?
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| Even more than D.C. and Louisiana?
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What I like is the individualist, stand alone legend of Alaska, and they are the biggest receipiants of federal handouts. In addition to their oil wealth, their state budget is funded 25% by the federal government. Lots of reasons for it, perhaps, but let's not make Alaska something it is not.
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BTW....being Govenor of the State of Alaska makes her in charge fo the National Guard..... no big deal.... most of those leadership jobs associated with the Guard are a given and the tasks are not that complicated...... sorry... 
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She has FAR, FAR more executive experience than anyone else running, including the #1 name on the ticket where she will appear as #2.
She does? Council seat local yokel politics, Mayor, and Gov for a few months? Commander of the weekend warriors National Guard.... Yeah right..... thats a good one Hab..... glad you supports are so enthused with her..... McCain is lost in his own legend. She has not accomplished anythng of any great substance with the exception of being a good mother and family woman. Thats it.... sorry... don't buy your opinion.
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Rightwinger wrote:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
If you watch Fox News, you will see that there are many republicans not thrilled
with this choice.
Even better if you wish to concern youself with such important elements of the successful restrusture of this country, don't turn on the "news" (especially Fox)when you wish to develop a thought.Gone are the days when you could turn on the news and listen to reports on issues.Nowadays the news and it's contributers just help the problems along if not create even more.Rediculous!
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Rightwinger wrote: She has too many young children at home.
If something happens to Mc Cain, we would have a " Soccer Mom" as Commander
in Chief of our Military!!!
Sorry, I don't like the choice.
She's a "Hockey Mom" and is the Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard.
She has FAR, FAR more executive experience than anyone else running, including the #1 name on the ticket where she will appear as #2.
Something you neanderthals don't seem to understand is that without us women, you wouldn't be here. Without us women you would be incapable of tying your own shoes or even feeding yourselves. The world is incapable of functioning without women.
The wife of a Presidential candidate is expected to be out on the campaign trail as much, and sometimes more, than the Vice-Presidential candidate so where is your harping about Mts. Obama neglecting her young daughters or Mrs. McCain neglecting their children while on the campaign trail?
Apparently that is fine in your book because it is the husband running for office and little wifey is expected to support his campaign.
You MCPs mever cease to amaze me...............you're just as bad as the leftwingers you claim to oppose.
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Actually there are many in both parties today who wouldn't be happy with Thomas Jefferson and Jesus Christ as candidates.
Sometimes you have to make do with the hand you were dealt.
Nice thing about poker, a handful of nothing can beat 4 of a kind.
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Playing the Game wrote: You are incredible..............and incredibly out of touch with the world.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
If you watch Fox News, you will see that there are many republicans not thrilled
with this choice.
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You are incredible..............and incredibly out of touch with the world.
Rightwinger wrote:
She has too many young children at home.
If something happens to Mc Cain, we would have a " Soccer Mom" as Commander
in Chief of our Military!!!
Sorry, I don't like the choice.
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| I don't like the choice either. I couldn't stand having Biden lead our military when he could handle his job for the state he came from.
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She has too many young children at home.
If something happens to Mc Cain, we would have a " Soccer Mom" as Commander
in Chief of our Military!!!
Sorry, I don't like the choice.
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You sure did.
I was hoping you were right. What was it Biden said about Obama? something about good looking, clean and articulate??? Sure sounds like a description of Sarah Palin, and she's articulate without a teleprompter 
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Not to say that I had this one called on the dime...........
Playing the Game wrote:
Biden couldn't have been a better choice for McCain. There is enough fodder with 36 years of Senate votes to bury the ticket.
Now if McCain just follows through with a Conservative - Female running mate, like the Gov of Alaska, it's a done deal for the Republicans.
Habanero wrote:
Fred wrote: Was there any Dem that Obama could have picked that would NOT elict a storm of Republican protest.....
What Republican protest, Fred? The only whining I've heard today has come from the Clonton camp about how unfairly she was treated.
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| Now that McCain has picked his vp, I wonder what will happen. Personally from what I have heard of her, I like it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 29th, 2008 04:26 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News: Biden puts delegates in spotlight
Del. Democrats enjoying attention at convention
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
DOVER — They were right up front, just to the left side of the stage if you were facing the podium.
Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. looked their way, smiled and pointed while declaring how proud he was to represent them.
And the 23 members of Delaware’s Democratic delegation responded in kind, standing, cheering and waving red vertical signs reading "Biden."
For the delegates, their experience at the four-day convention certainly has seen an upgrade since presidential candidate Illinois Sen. Barack Obama chose Sen. Biden as his running mate last week — and not just with their seats being moved to the front of the Pepsi Center.
"People are coming up to us and asking questions about Delaware, saying they’ve got to get to our beaches or museums," Gov. Ruth Ann Minner said in a phone interview from Denver Thursday afternoon. "They’ve done some research on Delaware.
"Joe put Delaware on the map … Our whole delegation is excited to have gotten this special attention because of this."
Gov. Minner spent part of Tuesday traveling with Sen. Biden to several functions, then sat with the senator, his wife, Jill, and Sen. Obama’s wife, Michelle, while New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton gave her speech that night.
During the telecast Tuesday night, Gov. Minner was shown several times sitting next to the Bidens.
While in Denver, the Delaware delegates have become unofficial biographers for Sen. Biden, Gov. Minner said.
"I think everyone in the delegation feels that way," she said. "A lot of people have asked about his hardships — his first wife (Neilia, who died in a car crash in 1972 along with their daughter) and his aneurysm (suffered in 1988).
"People also are asking if Joe Biden is as authentic as he appears, and I tell them he absolutely is."
Felton resident Joseph Dillon, who also is one of the delegates in Denver, said he has been stopped several times when people realize he’s from Delaware to ask questions about the state’s senior senator.
They also are shocked to learn that Mr. Dillon has had lunch with Sen. Biden in the past.
"A lot of people are from big states where they haven’t met their senators or representatives before," he said.
"People from other places don’t understand that Delaware is only 30 miles wide and 90 miles long, and Joe Biden could be your next-door neighbor."
And then, of course, there was Wednesday night’s speech by Sen. Biden.
"It was like an atomic bomb went off," Mr. Dillon said. "People were excited, singing, cheering … Everybody knows this is a historic moment, a momentous occasion."
Gov. Minner said the delegates talked among themselves before the speech about the key points they hoped Sen. Biden would hit, and he did during his 22-minute speech.
But for the governor, one of the most endearing moments of the night came when the senator’s family joined him and Sen. Obama on stage at the conclusion of the speech.
"Watching him walk across the stage with his grandson, God, that was precious," Gov. Minner said. "He had half of us if not crying, (then) with tears in our eyes."
The Democratic National Convention wasn’t all about cheering and serving as a tourism agent.
Unifying the party was an important theme throughout the week, with several who supported Sen. Clinton’s presidential campaign remaining bitter about her failed bid.
Gov. Minner, who has a superdelegate vote, latched onto Sen. Clinton after Sen. Biden dropped out of the presidential race. But she switched to Sen. Obama after he became the presumptive nominee earlier this summer.
The governor believes that those who remain unsure about Sen. Obama or have said they would vote for Republican candidate Sen. John McCain will ultimately climb on board.
"Her supporters are disappointed, but after that outstanding speech by Hillary (Tuesday), I think they’ll come around," Gov. Minner said. "After all, unity for the Democratic Party is what really counts."
Staff writer Drew Voltur can be reached at 741-8296 or dvolturo@newszap.com.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 05:26 pm |
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Legends457 wrote: Well said and its all true. I can't believe these people voting for FOUR MORE YEARS OF HELL and then complain about their shortfalls in life. Who in hell do you think got rid of your jobs? CEO's selling their souls to the devils overseas and then laughing all the way to the bank.......... get real.......
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/TaxpayersGiveFatCats20Billion.aspx
Great article about those CEO's
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 05:19 pm |
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Legends457 wrote:
Hab.... maybe you just need not vote if Obama bothers you so much. Your last statement shows where your at and Fox News may need some input and soon.
Huh????? What are you talking about? What does Fox News have to do with Obam being a marxist/socialist? I don't have cable or satellite so I don't watch Fox so have no clue what you are jabbering about.
You sufferers of BDS need to wake up to reality, George Bush is NOT on the November ballot.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:14 pm |
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Except that Joe ISN'T the President, and will have very few votes in the Senate. He is there to help out on foreign policy issues, provide some muscle and to speak out when needed, and to be an acceptable spare in case something goes wrong.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:04 pm |
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McCain will be just like Bush because in 2007 he voted in line with Bush 94% of the time - the words he speaks now about the economy and about health care are just that - lines. He has not supported anything in the past, why would he change his agenda now - oh well to appease those of us who want change. After all he won't get any votes if he tells it like it really is.
Vote for McCain if you want more of the same!!!!
He doesn't think our economy is in trouble.
He doesn't think we should back alternative energy programs.
He thinks the only way we should have any global impact is with use of force.
He doesn't care how we or our children are going to pay for the war, and as ong as he promises no taxes he thinks we are dumb enough to buy it.
He talks about Universal Health Care, but he doesn't really think we should back any programs that might take us in that direction.
i'm sorry, I just don't want more of the same
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:02 pm |
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:02 pm |
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Well, it doesn't really matter who we get in there because all that they promise will never be seen by the people. They are just words and no actions.
They are just people blowing hot air. Heck, I could be president and promise all this and that and not get anything passed and into action because of the house and senate only wanting what they want done and only for the rich do they work, only if it benefits them.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 02:44 pm |
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McCain should pick Romney - after all he has the magic underwear!!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 02:07 pm |
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| Well, there was some bad to it, as well. In some cases we flatly turned some of it down, and in some cases, we didn't want to accept stuff (Venezuala, for instance). It made the news, but given as we had the FEMA fiasco going on, it is not surprising it quickly faded from the news.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 01:49 pm |
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Thank you, I had not been informed of that and I don't believe I had read it in the paper or heard it on TV or radio.
Why is that not mentioned by the news? is it because they don't want us to be informed of the good and informed of only the bad?
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 01:21 pm |
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HorseLady13 wrote: We need all of the above and the hell with the rest of the countries. I am so sick of sending money and food to other countries when they have desasters and not one of them help us when we had Katrina or other desasters here.
There, I have said it.
Actually, many countries (95 of them, including many of our adversaries) DID offer to send help after Katrina. We accepted over a billion dollars worth of aid from a variety of countries, declined others, and couldn't figure out how to use or transport much of the other aid.
There...I've corrected you.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 11:51 am |
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What makes you think McCain will be like Bush just because he is a republician? As much as I don't like Hillary, I'd rather vote for her for president and it has nothing to do with color. I don't like the way Obama was raised and to me he seems more like a foreigner than a citizen of the US with his failure to wear the flag pin, to honor our flag, to put some foreign symbol on his plane.
He will not make any changes no matter what he says, the Congress and Senate will not allow it. The president doesn't run the country, they do and they need to be removed.
We need to get rid of the two parties, there doesn't need to be this battling in the government. Make it one party, make the peoples vote count, not the electroial vote, put everything before the people and let us vote on the changes and what we want and need. Keep the money here for us, keep our troops here for us, keep our companies here for us, not allow them to move out of the country like the dems let them do. Help our people who have no homes, jobs, food, medical care. Drop the interest rates on loans, credit cards, etc. Make it easier to live here. Get rid of the ethanol gas that is ruining cars, boat motors, lawnmowers. Send the illigals back from whence they came and protect our borders more.
We need all of the above and the hell with the rest of the countries. I am so sick of sending money and food to other countries when they have desasters and not one of them help us when we had Katrina or other desasters here.
There, I have said it.
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