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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 09:44 am |
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Last night was not a good night to be a "Republican". LOL..... Hillary cleaned up the McCain propaganda and set the tone for whats to come and it does not include four more years of BUSH.
Hab.... maybe you just need not vote if Obama bothers you so much. Your last statement shows where your at and Fox News may need some input and soon. Tell me about these eight years of failures and why I need to hang around for four more years of the same. Most of you conservatives are on the wrong train catering to the rich and getting taken to the cleaners,. The heart of this country is hurting and it needs to be fixed. The majority has had enough of BUSH and sure in hell don't need another four more years of George Bush. 
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/26/news/economy/fdic_banks/index.htm?postversion=2008082617
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 02:41 am |
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One change I will never vote for is socialism/marxism and therefore I will not be voting for socialists and/or marxists.
In more than 20 years of voting, and working on various campaigns, both democrat and republican, in Delaware, never once did I vote for a socialist and I don't intend to start now. IOW - I never voted for Biden before and I sure as heck ain't gonna start now.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 10:43 pm |
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Elect ObamaBiden and together with Nanny Pelosi, you get a new Pope and a group of Experts on Catholicism
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/archbishop-of-washington-chides-pelosi-denver-archbishop-warns-biden-to-skip-communion/
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 07:06 pm |
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Any way you look at it, we will get 4 mores years of failure again. I didn't complain about the last 8 years until the Dems took over in congress, so what can you do.
I just hope God understands with a president that doesn't up hold America.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 05:47 pm |
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| Well it's your option not to vote but remember don't complain later.... McCain and his Fox News Fear Mongers need to get their stories right once in awhile but so goes politics and right wing logic. Over 4000 lives lost for a war that never should have been...... Remember theirs a lot of right wing Chicken Hawks trying to scare everybody...... We've had eight years of failures, so what more can we ask for?
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 05:12 pm |
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Well, I don't think I will vote at all this year and let those that do suffer the consequences. Just remember that the Al Quada said they would take over from within.
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| Well said and its all true. I can't believe these people voting for FOUR MORE YEARS OF HELL and then complain about their shortfalls in life. Who in hell do you think got rid of your jobs? CEO's selling their souls to the devils overseas and then laughing all the way to the bank.......... get real.......
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You can thank Bush for the current situation you are in, or you can blame the Democratic Congress that can't get anything done because it's veto'd by Bush - or you can blame yourself thinking that 30 years of loyal work would get you anything in the way of a pension - not anymore and not in the last few years.
This is the time of "take care of yourself" someone told me recently that the only way you are guarenteed a retirement was if you worked for the state or the federal government - and this I believe.
Most people don't work for companies that offer a pension plan, you would be lucky to work for one that offers a 401k, the truth of the matter is we can't depend on SS to provide us with a living wage in our retirement - we need to save money ourselves to be able to retire with any assurance of being able to make it. Most of us will work until we can't do it anymore, most of us will work because we have to even when we are legally able to retire - there will be no other choice.
McCain, well that's a different thing altogether - he will never need SS, or his governement pension - but do you think he would forgo it? Hell no. He will collect because he's entitled - but then aren't we all entitled to be able to live off SS and receive medical benifits where we don't have to choose between food or medicine?
I'm voting for a change and I will accept the consequences. After all, I am accepting the consequences of Bush every freaking day now!
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 12:51 pm |
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Well, my social status has nothing to do with being taxed. I am retired and on ss and just barely making by. With the cost of everything going up, I can't aford to buy much gas for my car to go shopping for food which I can't afford to buy much after paying my bills and the utilities going up(electric doubled from last year). So my social status is very low, don't go anywhere that isn't extremely necessary.
Obama doesn't offer me anything in the way of taxes or future. Course, neither does anyone else in office, here or there. Minner was not my choice and ruined the state and I didn't vote for Bush either, but neither did I vote for Kerry, Gore, or any of those other idiots.
I worked for 30 years hard and got piddly for a retirement when the company moved out of state and with ss, I have a hard time making it so don't try and judge me by your standards.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 12:28 pm |
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Maybe you need to read the tax plans and wake up..... but not knowing your social stature....... you could be one of them chosen ones who stands to lose a lot if your taxed according to your worth..... Greed does that and for the last eight years we've seen a lot of that behavior...................................
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 12:10 pm |
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| She didn't connect with me and never will. Don't trust that woman and didn't waste my time watching that program.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 09:59 am |
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Lick your wounds..... This is what you all get for eight years of incompetent leadership and ruining this country. Change is coming and you can't stop it, so just get used to it. Michelle Obama connected last night and its REAL.... 
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 01:31 am |
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Don't need a life line, can swim on my own. Just stateing a fact that everyone is getting so worked up about the houses a person owns. Personally, it is no ones business unless it interfers with the country, which it doesn't.
Shoot, I don't know how many houses I own; Oh, thats right, I only own 1.
Ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When it comes to politics and republicans, the press makes the biggest deal out of such stupid things.
Hey, I'm coooooooooooooool, I'm coooooooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| HL13 - I think you need to grab a life line and settle down.
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What the heck does it matter how many homes he owns. That has nothing to do with running for president.
You all come up with the most stupid things to hold against a person instead of looking for the real reasons for not having him for president.
And, it is the democrats that are holding back all that the president now and in the futher will want to get done especially if it is a republician president. They are the ones that are holding up the drilling for oil, the changes in the schools, the taxes for the middle/poor classes, the social security(which Biden had taxed) medicare and all the rest that is good for this country. They are also the ones that put the stupid judges in the court room that want to change the constitution and the laws and are again the christians.
I say down with Democrats.
I am not republician or democrat. I am a free choice.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 11:20 pm |
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Pennsylvania's 3rd Sentaor. Why would we even consider reelectin Joe to the Senate. We could actually be rid of him completely.......
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-24-obama-biden_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 10:21 pm |
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Fred wrote:
Do you think that if the Dems had picked anyone other than Obama, he would NOT have been on the extremely short list for VPs?
I don't know, Fred. I seriously doubt Clinton would have picked Obama for VP and I think he knows it as well and that is why she wasn't on the short list.
I read a really great song parody the other daywritten to the tune of "Bye, Bye, Love." I was expecting it to be posted here, but since it hasn't been, I'm going to see if I can find it again so I can post it. Obama/Biden supporters will not enjoy it as much as I did, but I still think it is worth posting.
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Reading waaay too much into it. Every VP pick should be ready to step in from day one. It is a nice way of saying that there but the grace fo God, go I.....
Do you think that if the Dems had picked anyone other than Obama, he would NOT have been on the extremely short list for VPs?
As for you, CR...heck, the Repubs in Delaware can't even find a serious candidate to run for their two top offices. Biden could not say a word until election day (impossible for him, I grant) and he would have won the election with about 60% of the vote at worst.
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| I am wondering about the remark that Obama has made about Biden, " he is ready to become president"; as if he expects something to happen to him(Obama)?
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 06:22 pm |
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Fred wrote: What do you have against VAWA? I see the ACLU wasn't a fan of it, and one part was struck down on federalism grounds....and how does that tie into abortion?
I was not intending to tie VAWA in with abortion. The point I was attempting to make, which I obviously botched, was there are far more important issues to focus upon other than his "faith."
As to what I have against VAWA, I personally believe it does more to damage and dominize men than it does to protect women. Of course that is my personal opinion, YMMV.
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I think Joe will sink himself without help from any of us. If people had questionable opinions about Delaware before, he will leave no doubts in their minds.
Habanero wrote:
The difference, Fred, is that you are not running for an elected office in which you have to make such decisions in the public forum and then use the same public forum to profess your faith and practice.
With such an obvious schism with the teachings of the Catholic Church on abortion, Biden would do far better to just keep his mouth shut.
I really wish that "religion" did not play such a vocal role in in politics. One need not be a practing (name the faith) and yet still live by the golden rule and the basic principles of the 10 Commandments. Non-Christians and even atheists do it on a daily basis, so what difference does it make?
With all of that said, Biden HAS made his Catholicism an issue, and as far as I am concerned it is fair game. If he is willing to publicly go against the basic tenets of his Church, can he be trusted to uphold the basic tenets of his country?
His Senate record speaks for itself, and the answer is NO. The VAWA he is so proud of is testament to that.
My comments are ONLY in regard to Joe Biden, as that is the topic of this thread, I have no intentions of getting into a tangent in regard to Obama or McCain or Bush.
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| I think you and the newspaper wasted a lot of paper and ink writing all that junk about Biden and coming from Minner, Carney, etc. Its all a waste.
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From the Delaware State News: Del.-egates get ‘our day in sunshine’
Biden on ticket brings upgrades in seating and status
By Randall Chase
Associated Press
DOVER — Coming from a state with only three electoral votes, Delaware’s delegates might be forgiven for feeling like Rodney Dangerfield at Democratic Party conventions: No respect from other state delegations.
While Delawareans insist that’s never been the case, Barack Obama’s choice of U.S. Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. as his running mate has put the delegation from Delaware in an unfamiliar spot this year: front and center.
"It’s our day in the sunshine," state party chairman John Daniello said Sunday after the Delaware delegation received a seating upgrade on the convention floor in Denver, closer to the podium and close to the Illinois delegation.
While the seating change was not made official until Sunday morning, Delaware Democrats were hoping that Sen. Biden’s spot on the ticket would lead to a better vantage point.
"It looks as though it will give us a little more prominence than we would have had," Gov. Ruth Ann Minner said Saturday.
Speaking Saturday evening at an annual late-summer gathering of state Democrats near Rehoboth Beach, Gov. Minner expressed pride that Delaware can boast of having one of its own on the presidential ticket of a major party — a historic first for the first of the 13 colonies to ratify the Constitution.
"Everybody in this country is going to know where Delaware is.... I don’t know about you, but I’m sick and tired of people saying ‘Dela-Where?"’ Minner said to the applause of fellow Democrats.
While Sen. Biden has long been a figure in national politics and at Democratic Party conventions, the entire state contingent will be in the spotlight this year.
"Joe always got some respect and some attention at other conventions, but this time it’s full speed ahead," Mr. Daniello said.
State treasurer Jack Markell, named one of the party’s "Top 100 Rising Stars" at the 2000 national convention, remembers when that was not the case. That same year, he was given a coveted speaking role, which consisted of about two minutes in the middle of the afternoon touting the merits of Al Gore.
"There was nobody in the hall, except the whole Delaware delegation came over," recalled Mr. Markell, who is now waging a fierce primary battle with Lt. Gov. John Carney to succeed Gov. Minner.
Lt. Gov. Carney said the delegation will not be overlooked as it has been in past years, and the attention that Delawareans are getting in Denver seems to bear that out.
"It’s been fun just walking around the city," Mr. Daniello said.
Delaware’s junior senator, Thomas R. Carper, who has spoken on welfare and energy policy as past conventions and has achieved national recognition himself through key roles in the Democratic Leadership Council and the National Governors Association, said there’s little danger that the spotlight will overwhelm representatives from The First State.
"We’ll get used to it real fast," he said with a smile.
Despite the new respect for Delaware’s delegation, it seems some things never seem to change. Gov. Minner noted that the delegates are still housed in a hotel about 45 minutes from the convention site.
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From the Delaware State News:
State Dems swell with pride at Sussex jamboree
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
LEWES — Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. was far, far away from the First State on Saturday afternoon, but he still was the center of attention at the Sussex County Democratic Jamboree, an event close to the senator’s heart.
While Sen. Biden trotted across a stage in Springfield, Ill., to join Sen. Barack Obama as his running mate, Democrats huddled around open cars to listen to Delaware’s senior senator give his first address as a vice presidential candidate.
Throughout the four-hour event, Democrats heaped praise on Sen. Biden in his absence and rallied around the history-making moment.
"This is the biggest thing that’s happened in Delaware politically that I can remember," said Rep. Peter C. Schwartzkopf, D-Rehoboth Beach.
"Our senior senator has just been selected to be vice president. You can’t come up with a better scenario to energize the party to come out to vote and get involved in this election."
As Democrats arrived at Cape Henlopen State Park, they commented that they had listened to Sen. Biden’s speech on the radio on the drive to the beach.
Several agreed that his being tapped as a vice-presidential candidate boosts Delaware’s profile on the national stage.
Dover resident Gregory B. Patterson, an adviser for Insurance Commissioner Matthew P. Denn, said he got chills hearing Sen. Biden deliver lines that he has uttered during various speeches throughout Delaware.
"More than in most states, Delaware has a closeness to its politicians and a pride for anything that comes from Delaware," Mr. Patterson said.
"To have seen Joe Biden, whom we know very well, live on TV (Saturday), it gives you goosebumps."
For Lewes resident James Griffin, Sen. Biden’s appearance on the national stage was the culmination of a 36-year career in the U.S. Senate.
Mr. Griffin worked in Sen. Biden’s first senatorial campaign when, as a 29-year-old New Castle County councilman, he defeated longtime senator J. Caleb Boggs.
"Joe was considered a brash upstart, but he pulled it out," Mr. Griffin said. "It was a sweet victory.
"We’re really proud of him. He’s worked hard. He’s a scrapper and it’s paid off. It would be great if he and Barack Obama win.
"One thing’s for sure, people won’t be saying ‘Dela-where?’ anymore."
The annual Sussex jamboree has long been a tradition for Sen. Biden. Twenty years ago, he made his first public appearance at the jamboree after suffering two brain aneurysms in February 1988.
And for a while, there were rumors circulating that Sen. Biden might make it back to Delaware in time for the jamboree Saturday.
The rally in Springfield ended at about 3:45 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, leaving about two hours before the elected officials’ speeches were scheduled to start. And Sen. Biden’s name appeared on the program, listed as the last speaker.
But he did not show.
Sen. Biden’s niece, Missy Owens, and two of his granddaughters attended the jamboree at the senator’s behest.
"My uncle asked me to be here because this is so important to our family," said Ms. Owens, apologizing that the rest of the Biden clan was in Illinois. "This is the event where you’ve seen many of us grow up.
"It’s been an amazing 24 hours for our family and it’s all thanks to you. For good and bad, we now get to share our Joe Biden with the country."
Sen. Thomas R. Carper, D-Del., who has served with Sen. Biden for the past eight years, related a phone call to his colleague Friday night while driving his younger son to the College of William & Mary in Virginia.
The senior senator asked to speak to Sen. Carper’s son, Ben, and talked to him about going to college and how he was jealous of him.
"At 10 a.m. (Saturday), the phone rang, and it was Joe Biden," Sen. Carper said. "He was getting ready to leave (for the airport) and he said he called to check in on how Ben was doing at William & Mary.
"That says a lot about Joe Biden. For him it’s family first, family second and family third."
In addition to pride, Sen. Biden’s selection provided a unifying rallying point for the state’s Democrats, who are heading into what could be a very divisive Sept. 9 primary, with nominations for governor, insurance commissioner and U.S. Congress hanging in the balance.
Party members have been split between Democrats Lt. Gov. John C. Carney Jr. and state Treasurer Jack A. Markell, who are vying for governor, but that took a back seat Saturday.
Both men spent most of their time addressing the crowd of 400 praising Sen. Biden.
"My former boss, he’s responsible for my wife and I getting married," Lt. Gov. Carney said in an interview. His first job in government was as a staff assistant for Sen. Biden in 1987.
"This just made my day. People are just so excited. This is a historic ticket, with Obama as the first black (presidential nominee).
"This will create a higher profile for the state during the campaign. Joe will certainly talk about us during the campaign."
Mr. Markell, who woke up at 2 a.m. Saturday after a restless night to check the Web for news on the vice-presidential candidate, called the pairing "a dream ticket."
The event could easily become a "where were you when" moment for Delawareans, he said.
"It’s a matter of pride for Delawareans," Mr. Markell said.
"When you come from Delaware and get asked (to be vice president,) you have to be that much better than other candidates because you’re coming from a small state."
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From the Delaware State News: Biden: His time?
Obama taps Delaware senator for VP
By Drew Volturo
Delaware State News
LEWES — It didn’t take long for word to spread among residents throughout the First State that one of their own had made history, becoming the first Delawarean to run on a presidential ticket.
And even though there still is this week’s nomination at the Democratic National Convention in Denver and the Nov. 4 election, Delawareans on Saturday applauded the vice-presidential candidacy of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr.
Dozens gathered outside his Greenville house Saturday morning, hoping to catch a glimpse of the state’s senior senator before he left left on a charter flight at New Castle County Airport to fly to Springfield, Ill., and join Sen. Barack Obama.
Within hours of Sen. Obama’s overnight announcement that Sen. Biden would be his running mate, about 10 statewide elected officials and candidates from both parties issued statements, with Republicans congratulating him as a fellow Delawarean before reaffirming their support for the GOP ticket.
Democrats and political analysts praised Sen. Obama’s decision and said Sen. Biden’s selection would raise the First State’s profile on the national stage.
"You won’t hear people saying, ‘Dela-where?’ anymore," Gov. Ruth Ann Minner said Saturday afternoon at the Sussex County Jamboree. "This gives Delaware the presence we deserve. Joe has worked hard for our state in Washington for many years."
University of Delaware political science professor Dr. James J. Magee said Sen. Biden brings a lot to the table beyond his years of experience and foreign-policy expertise.
"He’s a great campaigner. He can rouse up an audience," he said. "He’s got great union support and blue-collar roots. He’s a strong advocate for women’s rights, which will help with Hillary (Clinton) supporters."
Delaware State University political science professor Dr. Samuel B. Hoff said Sen. Biden’s Catholic roots also could register with voters.
While Sen. Biden’s 2008 presidential campaign did not fare well — he abandoned his bid after a fifth-place finish in the Iowa caucuses in January — Dr. Magee said his campaign exorcised the demons of his failed 1988 presidential bid.
Sen. Biden’s first bid for president ended abruptly in 1987 amid accusations that he had plagiarized passages in his speeches. He never made it to the Iowa caucuses in that run.
"He erased that old image of Joe Biden," Dr. Magee said. "When you saw him this time, he was thoughtful and gave great answers."
Sen. Biden could not be reached for comment Saturday, but campaign officials have said that the senator, who also is up for re-election this year, intends to run for a seventh term in the U.S. Senate.
His Republican opponent, GOP strategist Christine O’Donnell, reiterated a call Saturday for Sen. Biden to withdraw from the Senate race.
State law allows Sen. Biden to run for both offices, which creates an interesting scenario should he be successful in his re-election bid and the Democrats recapture the White House.
Sen. Biden would have to resign his seat before he is sworn in as vice president, and the timing is critical. The 111th Congress convenes Jan. 3.
The presidential and Delaware gubernatorial inaugurations will take place on the same day — Jan. 20 — which means that Democratic Gov. Ruth Ann Minner would likely make any appointment to fill a Senate vacancy if the Obama-Biden ticket is successful, rather than the incoming governor tapping someone.
But who would fill that role, serving for two years until a special election could be held in 2010 for the remaining four years?
Gov. Minner said Saturday that she has not considered whom she would choose for that role.
"It’s too early to start worrying about that," she said. "(Sen. Biden) has two elections to win first."
Dr. Magee said the choice most likely would be a prominent politician, possibly the loser of the Democratic gubernatorial primary between Lt. Gov. John C. Carney or state Treasurer Jack A. Markell.
The two have been embroiled in a heated battle for the party’s nomination, with Democrats divided between the two.
Dr. Magee said that he doubts that either Lt. Gov. Carney or Mr. Markell would withdraw from the primary on a promise that Gov. Minner would appoint them to the Senate if Sen. Biden becomes vice president
"The only sensible politician who would do that would have to have bulletproof evidence that Obama-Biden is going to win," Dr. Magee said.
He said that Gov. Minner could shy away from appointing Mr. Markell due to the criticisms he’s leveled against her during the gubernatorial campaign.
Both candidates said Saturday that they remain committed to the Sept. 9 primary.
"We have two weeks to go," Lt. Gov. Carney said. "I’ve always said I want to be governor and I’m going to keep working to get the nomination and get elected."
"I will do everything I can to help Sen. Biden win re-election and (election to) vice president," Mr. Markell said. "In the meantime, I remain totally focused on my own race to win the nomination for governor."
Dr. Hoff noted that while the loser of the Democratic gubernatorial primary would automatically have to be on the short list for a senatorial appointment, Attorney General Joseph R. "Beau" Biden III, the senator’s oldest son, would also have to be on that list.
Mr. Biden, elected in 2006, has said previously that he would serve a full four-year term as attorney general before evaluating whether to run for re-election or seek another office.
Additionally, Mr. Biden is a judge advocate general in the Delaware National Guard, and his unit is slated to deploy to the Middle East for a year this fall.
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What do you have against VAWA? I see the ACLU wasn't a fan of it, and one part was struck down on federalism grounds....and how does that tie into abortion?
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| We sure don't need Beau, Carney, or definitly not Minner in the Senate. She has done enough to ruin Delaware, Carney too, and Beau, well, what can I say. Now that Delaware is such a mess, looks like it will only get worse.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 12:26 pm |
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| Well, in my opinion; if they vote Obama and Biden into office, we might as well put our heads between our legs and kiss our country good bye.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 03:38 am |
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The difference, Fred, is that you are not running for an elected office in which you have to make such decisions in the public forum and then use the same public forum to profess your faith and practice.
With such an obvious schism with the teachings of the Catholic Church on abortion, Biden would do far better to just keep his mouth shut.
I really wish that "religion" did not play such a vocal role in in politics. One need not be a practing (name the faith) and yet still live by the golden rule and the basic principles of the 10 Commandments. Non-Christians and even atheists do it on a daily basis, so what difference does it make?
With all of that said, Biden HAS made his Catholicism an issue, and as far as I am concerned it is fair game. If he is willing to publicly go against the basic tenets of his Church, can he be trusted to uphold the basic tenets of his country?
His Senate record speaks for itself, and the answer is NO. The VAWA he is so proud of is testament to that.
My comments are ONLY in regard to Joe Biden, as that is the topic of this thread, I have no intentions of getting into a tangent in regard to Obama or McCain or Bush.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 03:03 am |
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Playing the Game wrote: How do you remain a practicing Catholic and vote for abortion rights? Religion of convenience? Beliefs of convenience?
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080824/NEWS/80824007&GID=4W7PXJsWSjr5FR2jY9AZAdUG3BbiC5Eddu3KQKl47wo%3D
I've asked the question of myself, and it is the same reason why many Catholics practice birth control. It is because I believe the Church does not understand the issue, and are wrong on it. Just like the Earth being the center of the universe, the Church has been wrong before, and sometimes takes a few hundred years to come around.
Abortion in many cases IS wrong, and I think we should do everything possible to keep the numbers down....and that includes teaching about birth control. I find it totally irresponsible to be against one thing that would cut down on the need to do such a thing.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 02:58 am |
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Actually Fred, all the Obama campaign has to do is keep their collective mouths shut, but with mouths and egos as big as Obama and Biden, that just ain't gonna happen.
They are both the epitome of "open mouth insert shoe store." The campaign staff is going to spend more time "explaining" what one of the Senators "meant" than they will doing their job of putting the best face forward for the ticket.
I do believe Biden's "articulate" comment about Obama is going to come back to haunt them both in a big way. The gentleman from Illinois seems to have a difficult time without notes or a teleprompter. The same can not be said about the gentleman from Delaware. Biden has always had a case of foot in mouth disease, but he also knows it and does own up to it when it occurs.
This entire campaign season has been a train wreck since its WAAAAAY too early beginning. And that goes for BOTH sides of the aisle.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 02:10 am |
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All the Obama campaign has to do is show McCain's own words, actions, and posing with Bush. While there have been some disagreements, McCain has certainly been more in concert with the President then not. Even those areas where he stood apart from Bush (tax cuts, when he wanted to actually PAY for the war we were fighting), he has flip-flopped to the President's side. I do think, however, that McCain's tax policies - the ones he believes, not the one he has to take to get the nomination- are, like Romney's health care initative, good ideas that they have to disown to get past the radicals in their party.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 10:30 pm |
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| Legends is still living in the past. He hasn't realized that Bush and McCain are not best of friends or similarly aligned with their politics. To Legends a Republican is a Republican, and he was wronged sometime in the past 8 years.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 09:41 pm |
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Legends457 wrote: BOTTOME LINE - nobody wants FOUR MORE YRS of BUSH.
Bush is not running, or haven't you heard?
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 09:35 pm |
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| BOTTOME LINE - nobody wants FOUR MORE YRS of BUSH. Last edited on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 09:36 pm by Legends457
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 09:27 pm |
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How do you remain a practicing Catholic and vote for abortion rights? Religion of convenience? Beliefs of convenience?
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080824/NEWS/80824007&GID=4W7PXJsWSjr5FR2jY9AZAdUG3BbiC5Eddu3KQKl47wo%3D
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 09:10 pm |
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Nor I, but his son was a lobbyist in DC and it appears daddy sent his brother on a mission to get him away from politcs temporarily. Should have had him enlist like his brother Beau Joe.
If I was a Democrat I could see your point, "Billy Beer" Carter, The Rodham and Clinton (pardon me) kin....
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 07:58 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: Is this what Obama meant when he said Washington needs to be changed?
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080824/NEWS/80824009
The old saying " You can pick your friends but not your family" comes to mind.
I certainly wouldn't want to be judged by what some of my relatives had done!
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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Fred, no matter who Obama picked, there were going to be complaints, just like there will be regardless of who McCain picks.
Personally I don't care who Obama picked, but I can see the pros and cons of the pick of Biden. Biden does help to balance the lack of experience, also foreign policy. However, Biden also represents the "inside the beltway" old line that Obama claims to want to change.
I will look just as objectively at McCain's pick, because I personally don't care there either. Who it is will not change the fact I will still be holding my nose when I vote in November.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 06:08 pm |
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Is this what Obama meant when he said Washington needs to be changed?
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080824/NEWS/80824009
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 06:06 pm |
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Keep dreaming, CR.
The election will be close, I think, but Biden is not going to hurt Obama. Yes, Biden and McCain respect each other...I know that this is odd to those of you that see everything in black and white, and their respective Senate careers offer both sides a lot of stuff to mine to "prove" that the both hate babies and puppies.
Biden was a good pick. You could argue it was a safe pick, which some have criticized him for, but that also says it was good pick. They will use Biden to be the point man, I guess, which will be difficult for him going against McCain...but he will.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:14 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: The new McCain ad is hardly an attack. It simply repeats what was said by Biden in this years primaries.
We know Obama and Biden have much in common.
It is a proven fact that you can not believe anything either one of them tells you.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 02:58 pm |
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Sorry Fred, the new McCain ad is hardly an attack. It simply repeats what was said by Biden in this years primaries.
On the other hand, Biden has come out swinging with attacks on McCain personally, and it will cost the Dems dearly.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 01:34 pm |
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I meant from every right wing web site, and from those here. I've heard from a very, very, few people that Hillary should have been "vetted", but the fact that she was not should have killed the Hillary as VP rumors a while ago.
Yes, there are those Hillary fans....but they will be less influential than the Republican Ron Paul fans in the general election.
Look....Obama had several variations of the campaign literature with various VPs, and the McCain campaign had the various attack ads ready regardless of who Obama picked....and I suspect that Obama will do the same with whoever McCain picks. It will cause a bit of flurry in the press for a week or so in both cases, will cause another flurry when they have the VP debate, and it will be a minor issue from then on.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 01:19 pm |
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Obama Biden.... the perfect match for a WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Sad thing is John McCain can't back up anything his conservative right wing idiots come up with..... Everyone of those die hard politicians have skeletons in their closet with voting.... but the facts are facts and nobody with any common sense wants four more years of Bush.... McCain is labeled and he is his own enemy..... he can't speak to large crowds with his straight talk express which ends up a comedy of errors going nowhere.
Time will tell.... but the rich will pay their fair share of taxes now...... I would rather see the the real workers in our society get a break for a change..... sad huh?
 
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 12:49 pm |
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| Why would any presidential candidate choose as his vp running mate somebody who was themselves a presidential candidate that had no voter support in the primaries?? Crazy!
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 12:25 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: Biden couldn't have been a better choice for McCain. There is enough fodder with 36 years of Senate votes to bury the ticket.
Now if McCain just follows through with a Conservative - Female running mate, like the Gov of Alaska, it's a done deal for the Republicans.
I disagree. Romney would be the best choice, he has the experience, he's much
younger than John and was the second choice of the voters.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 02:53 am |
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Biden couldn't have been a better choice for McCain. There is enough fodder with 36 years of Senate votes to bury the ticket.
Now if McCain just follows through with a Conservative - Female running mate, like the Gov of Alaska, it's a done deal for the Republicans.
Habanero wrote:
Fred wrote: Was there any Dem that Obama could have picked that would NOT elict a storm of Republican protest.....
What Republican protest, Fred? The only whining I've heard today has come from the Clonton camp about how unfairly she was treated.
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Claims of Biden stabbing MCCain in the back with some remarks.
Only words , notice with a smile. Do you think Biden can change his mind about Obama not being ready ? Slip of the tongue ?
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