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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 05:15 am |
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| Yes, I probably should have put that into better context. In regards to the expenses involved with an adjective like that though, She probably should have made better use of it. If she claimed to be one of many, at least pretend like you have the same everyday to day expenses and sacrifices.
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 02:15 am |
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Oh, I think she loves her kids, and tries to be involved in their lives as much, if not more so, than the average politician. I respect her for that.
However, you can't be a hockey mom and be the Vice President, or at least not do either job very well. The job as VP requires major sacrifices, and family is, unfortunately, one of those things. I have no doubt that her husband could keep teh family together and be the supportive one, but she has to give up the hockey mom title.
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This year i have spent $17, 462.32 being a baseball dad. This is not a "theme" it is the act of doing so. The second the word "hockey mom" slipped through her lips I knew she was full of it.
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| Calm down Fred, I guess you don't get out much these days.
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Playing the Game wrote: You liberals just can't understand tongue-in-cheek humor. You take every word so personally. If Tina Fey said it you would be laughing your butt off.
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She truly is the gift that keeps on giving.
Her latest theory is that criticism of her, in the form of "attacks" by reporters, somehow it threatening her First Amendment rights.
She did this on WMAL when she said that her comments about Obama's associations are not negative attacks, and those to suggest otherwsise are threatening her free speech rights.
So, if I am reading Sarah right, she thinks the Founding Fathers intended the First Amendment to be in place so that candidates for high office can say whatever they want without criticism?
Leaving aside the truthfulness of her remarks for a moment, what is she saying when she says...
"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."
I think what she is saying is that if the media reports her speeches, and critiques teh technique and truthfulness of it, that is somehow threatening her First Amendment rights?
One of you who speak Palinease...please translate for me if I got it wrong.
Oh, I'm sorry...the ol' "she was JOKING" line. At least it is original...can you point to where even her apologists have said that?
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| Seems to me that the media has been successful in infiltrating the independent party in the fact that they have redefined independent as fair and balanced or whatever their slogan may be for whatever media organization it is. Almost want to think of the media as a political party. Sure wish that someone would wise up and challenge these mongrels. Certainly if Obama wins this election it will be the media who will "test" him and I suspect the Hannidy's of the world will be first in line. One thing is for sure, forums like these are a great beginning to challenging the totolitarian crap that they expect is their right to push through a much abused right of amendment in the fact that some have even begun to "police the internet". Somehow I truly beleive that the media will be the ultimate downfall of this society.
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Posted: Sat Nov 1st, 2008 01:19 pm |
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| Tell that to the media.
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| Tina Fey is NOT a candidate to be vice president of the U. S.
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You liberals just can't understand tongue-in-cheek humor. You take every word so personally. If Tina Fey said it you would be laughing your butt off.
Fred wrote:
She truly is the gift that keeps on giving.
Her latest theory is that criticism of her, in the form of "attacks" by reporters, somehow it threatening her First Amendment rights.
She did this on WMAL when she said that her comments about Obama's associations are not negative attacks, and those to suggest otherwsise are threatening her free speech rights.
So, if I am reading Sarah right, she thinks the Founding Fathers intended the First Amendment to be in place so that candidates for high office can say whatever they want without criticism?
Leaving aside the truthfulness of her remarks for a moment, what is she saying when she says...
"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."
I think what she is saying is that if the media reports her speeches, and critiques teh technique and truthfulness of it, that is somehow threatening her First Amendment rights?
One of you who speak Palinease...please translate for me if I got it wrong.
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Posted: Sat Nov 1st, 2008 11:11 am |
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Even if true (which I don't think your assertion is) it is still a matter of opinion. If I say that today's weather is nice, and you tell me how bad it is for your corn/soy/hunting plans, it is due to a different perspective, and still both of our First Amendment rights to do so.
Criticizing a presidential candidate's statements, especially when false or misleading but even if not, is no where near a violation or supression of her First Amendment rights.
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different. She is ok making criticism of Obama for his associations which are down right questionable. Them news fellers are sayin what she is sayin is lies. Well, mebbie if they done some good ole houndoggin they may come up with the same kinda stuff they com up on Joe the plummer.
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She truly is the gift that keeps on giving.
Her latest theory is that criticism of her, in the form of "attacks" by reporters, somehow it threatening her First Amendment rights.
She did this on WMAL when she said that her comments about Obama's associations are not negative attacks, and those to suggest otherwsise are threatening her free speech rights.
So, if I am reading Sarah right, she thinks the Founding Fathers intended the First Amendment to be in place so that candidates for high office can say whatever they want without criticism?
Leaving aside the truthfulness of her remarks for a moment, what is she saying when she says...
"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."
I think what she is saying is that if the media reports her speeches, and critiques teh technique and truthfulness of it, that is somehow threatening her First Amendment rights?
One of you who speak Palinease...please translate for me if I got it wrong.
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| Yes they are.
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| Because these are public forums.
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countrynow wrote: No One is provoking you. However, You are provoking everyone else and in so doing, you are taking away from the reason we are on this site. Your behavior is disturbing and distracting. Please stop NOW.
Why are you on this site?
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| No One is provoking you. However, You are provoking everyone else and in so doing, you are taking away from the reason we are on this site. Your behavior is disturbing and distracting. Please stop NOW.
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Playing the Game wrote: I am debating you by your rules of one liners.
I will be happy to meet you on those terms.
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| I am debating you by your rules of one liners.
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| Why do you wish to provoke me?
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Posted: Sat Oct 18th, 2008 01:11 am |
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Cretin is as Cretin does.
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I understood it.
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Fred wrote: Except that why give credence to cretins?
HUH????
Sorry, Fred, that question makes no sense whatsoever.
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| I actually like the Bugs Bunny guy. I got a kick out of some of his posts. He didn't bother me at all. For the life of me, I cannot understand the blue dot.
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| Fred - You have turned into TErrancELie
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Habanero wrote: Fred wrote: They keep wanting to paint it as some sort of great Democratic plot, but the only group that was trying to involve it self was the McCain group who wanted to delay it until after the election. Heck, if you've got nothing to hide, why worry?
Sort of like the DNC and Obama Campaign fighting to delay the Berg suit in Pennsylvania to produce his official birth certificare, right? Heck, if you've got nothing to hide, why worry?
Except that why give credence to cretins?
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Im dressing up as a democrat for Halloween this year. I'll stay home, you go out. We will split your candy 50/50. 
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EarnestLi wrote: If you have nothing constructive to say, why speak? Take your own advice.
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| If you have nothing constructive to say, why speak?
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Fred wrote: They keep wanting to paint it as some sort of great Democratic plot, but the only group that was trying to involve it self was the McCain group who wanted to delay it until after the election. Heck, if you've got nothing to hide, why worry?
Sort of like the DNC and Obama Campaign fighting to delay the Berg suit in Pennsylvania to produce his official birth certificare, right? Heck, if you've got nothing to hide, why worry?
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| Some people declare their candidacies without any expectation of actually securing the nomination. They only want to influence the national debate. This concept might be hard to understand if you only see things in terms of black and white.
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| Actually, Joe has proven to be the sacrificial donkey -- the first to be out of even his party's primary on each occasion.
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| I guess that's why he has done so well in the Presidential primaries over the years. He never has made it to even the final 2 in his own party.
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There are certainly bigger laughing stocks than Joe. If you have never liked him, or can't understand his popularity in Delaware, you won't understand how well he is doing nationwide.
Last time I checked, he was considered much more presidential than ol' Sarah by most people. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but at least accept the facts.
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| Have you read either of his books?
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EarnestLi wrote: How do all of you know the things you post about? Isn't it all a matter of what you choose to believe?
His biggest claim to fame is writing several books about "himself".
That was my first clue!
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| How do all of you know the things you post about? Isn't it all a matter of what you choose to believe?
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EarnestLi wrote: Sarah Palin scares me more than anything else in this election. McCain does not look particularly healthy. He appears stiff and confused at times. He is also short tempered and I think the odds are reasonable that he would not finish his term. Palin is not capable of running this country.
Obama does not have the experience to be President and he is telling the people what they want to hear.......he WILL raise taxes on the Middle Class... he is not
what he appears..... Obama is all about Obama.
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TErrance you are not making any sense.................not that you ever did.
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If you are concerned about what people think of us, show some discipline on this blog.
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| If you are concerned about what people think of us, show some discipline on this blog.
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Playing the Game wrote: ELie let me tell you what scares me mor than your hypothesis, the very real possibility that Obama will become a target and the known factor of Joe Biden would become President. Biden would make Ford look like a genius.
We Delawareans should know. Our state has been the laughing stock of the nation when Joe B opens his mouth on most occasions.
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| I really don't understand some of the things you say.
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| ELie let me tell you what scares me mor than your hypothesis, the very real possibility that Obama will become a target and the known factor of Joe Biden would become President. Biden would make Ford look like a genius.
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| Sarah Palin scares me more than anything else in this election. McCain does not look particularly healthy. He appears stiff and confused at times. He is also short tempered and I think the odds are reasonable that he would not finish his term. Palin is not capable of running this country.
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Er, the dude called HIMSELF that; Trudeau was simply saying what the 18 year old was saying. If you say you are a Redneck and put it out in public, you probably are one...and as for the descriptive part, that was his word, too, but he has proven that in other ways, hasn't he?
As for the endorsement....okay. I've heard more than one Republican endorse Obama, and I suspect we'll here a few more, as well. I think the fact that a women is on the Republican ticket a quarter century after the Dems had one is great; the fact they overlooked at least a half a dozen better qualified Republican women is not.
Palin gave him a bump, but will go down as a mistake. It will not be the mistake that costs him the election, but it will not help. McCain kept it close by running as much as he could, his loyalty aside, by basically running against "them", leaving it up to the listener to determine if he meant "the establishement", Congress, or the administration. I think if he gets elected he will do a much better job than President Bush has done, but at this point, and with Sarah as his back up, I think there is a better choice.
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| Here's one to chew on, curious- Your article there was written after the president of NOW in California last week endorsed Sarah Palin. I personally find this entire expression of outrage towards Sarah Palin by democrats and liberals to be curious, indeed. Gary Trudeau of Doonesbury this past week, in his cartoon- calling Sarah Palin a "stay at work mom." I'm pretty sure the democrats and liberals have promoted and supported this very idea for many years. Also, taking a stab at John McCains' divorce and relating it to the republican parties traditional stance on family. (or lack thereof, as they suggest) Isn't this kind of like the pot calling the kettle black? And these are probably the same folks who insist that Clinton did NOT have sex with that women in the oval office while serving as president of the US. Not only that, but Trudeau took shots at Palins' minor daughter, unwed and pregnant, as well as calling the boyfriend a "_____ing redneck." What? Let's discuss the Tenessee democrats son (who is of age) who broke into Palins' email account. These are not even in the same category- pregnancy is legal, after all. These are just one example from one liberals' viewpoint. But, there are so many others out there who share this attitude. To me, it appears highly hypocritical. The independent woman, wife and mother is a philosophy promoted and supported to a very large extent over the years by democrats and liberals. I can only draw one final conclusion from all the seemingly ridiculous outrage leveled against Sarah Palin and that is- She must be on the wrong ticket.
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Since many think the addition of Sarah Palin to the ticket gives benefit to Senator McCain, take a look at what many women feel about it.
"The National Organization for Women has endorsed the Obamba-Biden ticket for
just the reasons listed below. They usually do not endorse, but in this case
believed it was absolutely necessary to take a stand. If you agree, please
pass this on.
Subject: Women and Sarah Palin
Friends:
We are writing to you because of the fury and dread we have felt since the
announcement of Sarah Palin as the Vice-Presidential candidate for the
Republican Party. We believe that this terrible (?) decision has surpassed
mere partisanship, and that it is a dangerous farce on the part of a
pandering and rudderless Presidential candidate that has a real possibility
of becoming fact.
Perhaps like us, as American women, you share the fear of what Ms.
Palin and her professed beliefs and proven record could lead to for
ourselves and for our present or future daughters. To date, she is against
sex education, birth control, the pro-choice platform, environmental
protection, alternative energy development, freedom of speech, gun control,
the separation of church and state, and polar bears -- to say nothing of
her complete lack of real preparation to become the second-(and possibly
first)-most-powerful person on the planet.
We want to clarify that we are not against Sarah Palin as a woman, a
mother, or, for that matter, a parent of a pregnant teenager, but solely as
a rash, incompetent, and altogether devastating choice for Vice President.
Ms. Palin's political views are in every way a slap in the face to the
accomplishments that our mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers so
fiercely fought for, and from which we've so demonstrably benefited.
First and foremost, Ms. Palin does not represent us. She does not
demonstrate or uphold our interests as American women. It is presumed that
the inclusion of a woman on the Republican ticket could win over women
voters.
We want to disagree, publicly. If you agree that Palin is an
irresponsible, even dangerous, choice for VP, please consider participating
in this drive. Gentlemen, send this to the women you know and care for. I
know it's tough to understand the way this choice is impacting women, but
I
have never seen so many women so outraged, angry and distraught in my
entire life. We'd like our voices heard.
If you agree, PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY! If you send this to 20 women in the
next hour, you could be blessed with a country that takes your concerns
seriously. Stranger things have happened."
While I don't buy the "blessed" theory, as I think our country is in the tank anyway, I do believe this exhibits some real questions about what may happen with a McCain win in November. If nothing else it's sure something to chew on. I wonder if people will really consider how their vote will impact us as they shuffle into the voting booth. Just Curious
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Habanero wrote: Fred, Palin is the one that pushed to have it done and over with.
No doubt there was the claim of "abuse of power" in the report, however, the report also concluded that she was well within the law in what she did.
The concept of "abuse of power" when no law is broken becomes subjective. I personally believe that Minner has abused her powers on very many occasions, others disagree with me. But since she has broken no laws, we're all correct because it is subjective, IOW just personal opinion.
Well, she was for that until she was against it.
I agree the "abuse of power" is subjective, but your opinion, as much as I respect it, is NOT the same as this board coming to the same decision. Part of the "abuse of power" charges are that she left her husband run amok using her office to try to get things done.
And, no, it won't make a difference for those that were voting for McCain/Palin, nor will it make a difference for those voting Obama/Biden. However....it is just one more nail in the coffin for those undecided voters who McCain was hoping to get to his side. However, I still think the economy is the bigger issue.
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Subjective? Are these guys sleeping?
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Posted: Tue Oct 14th, 2008 01:59 am |
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Fred, Palin is the one that pushed to have it done and over with.
No doubt there was the claim of "abuse of power" in the report, however, the report also concluded that she was well within the law in what she did.
The concept of "abuse of power" when no law is broken becomes subjective. I personally believe that Minner has abused her powers on very many occasions, others disagree with me. But since she has broken no laws, we're all correct because it is subjective, IOW just personal opinion.
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Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 02:12 pm |
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Abuse of power has a chilling effect on our freedoms.
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