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Footloose wrote: EarnestLi wrote: countrynow wrote: I agree with you NOE.......Bidens' feet should be held to the fire this time. We let him get away with so many remarks in the past, this time he issues a lengthy dissertation with some sort of a gypsy crystal ball prediction which sounds eerily cryptic and coded. I frankly wonder if he actually speaks the truth on occassion & because we're so used to him "running away at the mouth", we just disregard it. That should NOT happen this time. "Say it ain't so, Notorious Joe" should be made to explain. OR- perhaps he did.......
I think Biden made a truly stupid comment. I'm all for getting both him and Palin together and holding the feet of both of them to the fire for all the stupid things they have said. I'm all for holding your feet to the fire too. There are numerous possibilities, a few of which were mentioned. The Middle East seems to be the most volatile at the moment. Suppose that Russia and Iran block the Strait of Hormuz. Assume that Iran decides to announce that they are going to load pay loads of nuclear missiles. What are out immediate options and how would either of the candidates react if elected president? Do we do a pre-emptive strike or not? Conventional wisdom would tell you that Barack Obama would not strike, but he's preparing for something unpopular, and he's talking directly to liberals. So that would lead you, if it would be that scenario, that would lead you to believe that we would strike.
Examine the Biden statement. He is not speaking in general terms but he is specific about an impending crisis. Striking Iran is World War III. We are on the precipice. It's got to be right the first time. There's no more room to say it's not really working. There's no room for conjecture here. No matter who wins, we are so boxed in, when they see the reports and the briefings that the president sees every day and they understand what's truly happening in the world, believe me, they will realize they have very few options. There's not going to be a lot done differently.
Maybe he's talking about an Iranian first strike. Maybe he's talking about going into Pakistan because this is the same speech where he talked about Osama Bin Laden is in Pakistan, and Pakistan is bristling with nuclear weapons. Is he talking about the possibility of going in there? Because that sure wouldn't look right. But it would to the uninformed.
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Maybe Biden just misspoke. Has anyone considered that? Maybe he was a bit grandiose too. How about that? I find nothing inconsistent with what I think Biden was trying to say (and said poorly) and what Senator Lieberman said n regards to new presidents being tested. Every new president is tested, both internally and externally. JFK had the Cuban Missle Crisis. RR had the Airtraffic Controllers' strike.
Give this a rest.
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EarnestLi wrote: countrynow wrote: I agree with you NOE.......Bidens' feet should be held to the fire this time. We let him get away with so many remarks in the past, this time he issues a lengthy dissertation with some sort of a gypsy crystal ball prediction which sounds eerily cryptic and coded. I frankly wonder if he actually speaks the truth on occassion & because we're so used to him "running away at the mouth", we just disregard it. That should NOT happen this time. "Say it ain't so, Notorious Joe" should be made to explain. OR- perhaps he did.......
I think Biden made a truly stupid comment. I'm all for getting both him and Palin together and holding the feet of both of them to the fire for all the stupid things they have said. I'm all for holding your feet to the fire too. There are numerous possibilities, a few of which were mentioned. The Middle East seems to be the most volatile at the moment. Suppose that Russia and Iran block the Strait of Hormuz. Assume that Iran decides to announce that they are going to load pay loads of nuclear missiles. What are out immediate options and how would either of the candidates react if elected president? Do we do a pre-emptive strike or not? Conventional wisdom would tell you that Barack Obama would not strike, but he's preparing for something unpopular, and he's talking directly to liberals. So that would lead you, if it would be that scenario, that would lead you to believe that we would strike.
Examine the Biden statement. He is not speaking in general terms but he is specific about an impending crisis. Striking Iran is World War III. We are on the precipice. It's got to be right the first time. There's no more room to say it's not really working. There's no room for conjecture here. No matter who wins, we are so boxed in, when they see the reports and the briefings that the president sees every day and they understand what's truly happening in the world, believe me, they will realize they have very few options. There's not going to be a lot done differently.
Maybe he's talking about an Iranian first strike. Maybe he's talking about going into Pakistan because this is the same speech where he talked about Osama Bin Laden is in Pakistan, and Pakistan is bristling with nuclear weapons. Is he talking about the possibility of going in there? Because that sure wouldn't look right. But it would to the uninformed.
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Democratic vice president candidate Sen. Joe Biden has created a furor in the 2008 election with his implication to a crowd of deep-pocket donors that presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama's lack of experience would create an appearance of weakness that would encourage opponents to challenge the United States.[size=]
But he was only repeating what Obama himself said not that much earlier, as the presidential candidate was preparing to serve the first day of the Senate term he's now a little more than halfway through.
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countrynow wrote: I agree with you NOE.......Bidens' feet should be held to the fire this time. We let him get away with so many remarks in the past, this time he issues a lengthy dissertation with some sort of a gypsy crystal ball prediction which sounds eerily cryptic and coded. I frankly wonder if he actually speaks the truth on occassion & because we're so used to him "running away at the mouth", we just disregard it. That should NOT happen this time. "Say it ain't so, Notorious Joe" should be made to explain. OR- perhaps he did.......
I think Biden made a truly stupid comment. I'm all for getting both him and Palin together and holding the feet of both of them to the fire for all the stupid things they have said.
I'm all for holding your feet to the fire too.
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Jurisprudence wrote: Bixby wrote: Cobra wrote: You are forgetting that it was the issue of taxes that was part of the beginnings of this great country. I'm sure that Biden's remarks would have gone over well at the Boston tea Party. Taking money from one group and giving to another group is hardly patriotic. If you think so, start a charity. This is the crux of the matter rather than the words "more" or "less." It's clear that Biden meant more taxes with his proviso, if you make over $250,000.
There has been no Democratic president that kept his promise to cut taxes for middle-class America ever since JFK did it forty years ago. When Obama and Biden promise to only raise taxes on the rich, they’re lying. There’s simply no way to pay for the massive increase in government spending they’ve proposed without raising taxes on almost everyone. But Biden’s statement didn’t just materialize because, he’s, well, Joe Biden. The ‘higher tax’ message is actually a campaign plank of Barak Obama’s.
Does anybody remember "read my lips".
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Joe Biden should be forced by the media -- and he won't be -- to explain this statement. This is from ABC News. Yesterday Joe Biden guaranteed that if elected Senator Barack Obama will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by with him as he makes tough and possibly unpopular decisions. Mark my words, quoting, it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John F. Kennedy. Well, we know what that test was. That test was Russia and the Cuban missile crisis. That's not a small test. Anybody who was alive -- I was not. If anyone who was alive back then, they will tell you it was a frightening, frightening time, where we thought the entire world was going to be vaporized and everyone would be dead. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking -- exactly what we have told you on this program. We're about to -- by the way, boy, this is just -- I mean, there is just food in this one for two weeks. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John F. Kennedy."
Think back to what I have told you about the perfect storm. Think back to what I have told you about the weight on this table. I have told you that if any -- if there's additional pressure or sudden pressure on this table, if there is a crisis like the Cuban missile crisis, it could cause this table to fall. It could -- there's just no more pressure that this table can take. And that's why the world is looking right now. That's why the world wants to test this guy. That's why our enemies want to push us up against the wall, because we are so vulnerable right now. We're about to elect a 47-year-old brilliant senator President of the United States of America. Remember, I said it here with you. If you don't remember anything else I said, quoting Joe Biden: Watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis to test the mettle of this guy. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate, and he's going to need help, and the kind of help he's going to need, he's going to need you, not financially to help him, we're going to need you to use your influence, your influence within the community to stand with him. Because it's not going to be apparent initially, it's not going to be apparent that we're right. Gird your loins. We're going to win with your weapon. God willing, we're going to win but this is not going to be an easy ride. This President, the next President is going to be left with the most significant task. It's like cleaning stables but it's more than that. This is just more than that, literally. Think about it. This is more than just a capital crisis. This is more than just markets. This is a systematic problem that we have with this economy.
He said, I forgot more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues now and I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it. This guy has it. He is going to need your help because I promise you, we're all going to be sitting here a year from now saying, oh, my God, why, why are they there in the polls, why is the polling so down, why is this thing so tough.
Do you hear this? This is not change and hope. Do you hear this? He is promising us, he has said "I promise you" a couple of times. He has said "I guarantee you" a couple of times. This is Joe Biden. "I promise you we're going to be sitting here a year from now going oh, my God," quoting, "Why are they there in the polls, why is the polling so down, why is this thing so tough. We're going to have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us. There are going to be a lot of you who want to go, whoa, wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa; I don't know about that decision because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you they will be when they're made, they're not likely going to be as popular as they are sound because if they're popular, they're probably not sound." Whew.
He then went on to foreign policy again and said, "We don't have the military capacity, nor have we ever quite frankly in the last 20 years to dictate outcomes." In other words, we haven't had, according to Joe Biden, the military capacity in 20 years to win a war. I then said, "I probably shouldn't have said all of this because it's dawned on me that the press is here. But these guys have left us in a God-awful place. We have the ability to straighten out. It's going to take some time. I ask you to stay with us. Just stay with us." What the hell does that even mean?
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Bixby wrote: Cobra wrote: You are forgetting that it was the issue of taxes that was part of the beginnings of this great country. I'm sure that Biden's remarks would have gone over well at the Boston tea Party. Taking money from one group and giving to another group is hardly patriotic. If you think so, start a charity. This is the crux of the matter rather than the words "more" or "less." It's clear that Biden meant more taxes with his proviso, if you make over $250,000.
There has been no Democratic president that kept his promise to cut taxes for middle-class America ever since JFK did it forty years ago. When Obama and Biden promise to only raise taxes on the rich, they’re lying. There’s simply no way to pay for the massive increase in government spending they’ve proposed without raising taxes on almost everyone. But Biden’s statement didn’t just materialize because, he’s, well, Joe Biden. The ‘higher tax’ message is actually a campaign plank of Barak Obama’s.
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2centsworth wrote: Bixby wrote: Cobra wrote: You are forgetting that it was the issue of taxes that was part of the beginnings of this great country. I'm sure that Biden's remarks would have gone over well at the Boston tea Party. Taking money from one group and giving to another group is hardly patriotic. If you think so, start a charity. This is the crux of the matter rather than the words "more" or "less." It's clear that Biden meant more taxes with his proviso, if you make over $250,000.
Thanks Bix, I don't know what Earnie is smokin. I thought we were talking about Biden answering a direct question about higher income earners paying MORE taxes. I guess I was wrong. It was really about supporting our troops and obeying the law????
You win Earnie, I'm done with you. I don't have enough ibuprophen left.
I'm heartbroken.
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Bixby wrote: Cobra wrote: You are forgetting that it was the issue of taxes that was part of the beginnings of this great country. I'm sure that Biden's remarks would have gone over well at the Boston tea Party. Taking money from one group and giving to another group is hardly patriotic. If you think so, start a charity. This is the crux of the matter rather than the words "more" or "less." It's clear that Biden meant more taxes with his proviso, if you make over $250,000.
You shameless apologist. He said what he said. He apread a lie and was stupid enough to put the actual quote along side it. You are no better.
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Bixby wrote: Cobra wrote: You are forgetting that it was the issue of taxes that was part of the beginnings of this great country. I'm sure that Biden's remarks would have gone over well at the Boston tea Party. Taking money from one group and giving to another group is hardly patriotic. If you think so, start a charity. This is the crux of the matter rather than the words "more" or "less." It's clear that Biden meant more taxes with his proviso, if you make over $250,000.
Thanks Bix, I don't know what Earnie is smokin. I thought we were talking about Biden answering a direct question about higher income earners paying MORE taxes. I guess I was wrong. It was really about supporting our troops and obeying the law????
You win Earnie, I'm done with you. I don't have enough ibuprophen left.
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Cobra wrote: You are forgetting that it was the issue of taxes that was part of the beginnings of this great country. I'm sure that Biden's remarks would have gone over well at the Boston tea Party. Taking money from one group and giving to another group is hardly patriotic. If you think so, start a charity. This is the crux of the matter rather than the words "more" or "less." It's clear that Biden meant more taxes with his proviso, if you make over $250,000.
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2centsworth wrote: Hey Earnie, I like the larger font you used when calling country and cobra liars...CAN YOU READ THIS?
ABC News' Matthew Jaffe reports: At a Thursday rally in an Akron union hall, Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden defended his contention that it is time for wealthy Americans to be patriotic and pay more taxes.
Biden was asked by ABC News' Kate Snow in an interview aired Thursday morning on "Good Morning America" if people earning more than $250,000 a year would have to pay more taxes under an Obama-Biden administration.
"You got it," Biden replied. "It's time to be patriotic, Kate. Time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help America out of the rut, and the way to do that is they're still gonna pay less taxes than they did under Reagan."
Hey mouth, I can not only read it, I can understand it. Here's what you have in quotes for Biden, "You got it," Biden replied. "It's time to be patriotic, Kate. Time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help America out of the rut, and the way to do that is they're still gonna pay less taxes than they did under Reagan."
I don't see the word "More" in there. I see the word "less". But then again, I'm not hallucinating.
I think it is patriotic to obey the law and pay your taxes. The alternative is to commit a crime and not pay your fair share. I guess Republicans are okay with being tax dodgers and criminals.
I don't know how you can support our troops if you cheat on your taxes.
Duh, duh, duh.
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EarnestLi wrote: Cobra wrote: EarnestLi wrote: countrynow wrote: I think everyone needs to remember that it was "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" who publicly opened the door for Obamas' redistribution of wealth plan, when he stated some time before "It's PATRIOTIC to pay more taxes." I am becoming inclined to believe that "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" speaks the truth more often than we realize, it just gets shlugged away because we label it "just another gaffe."
He didn't say "it's patriotic to pay more taxes". Make up another lie. E: It seems that you are a failure at spinning tales and may wind up toto be the liar yourself.
“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people, It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.” …ABC Good Morning America
So it turns out that while we are told you can’t legislate morality, you can legislate patriotism. Isn’t that wonderful?
Apparently reading comprehension isn't one of your strenghts either. He never said, "it's patriotic to pay more taxes".
Hey Earnie, I like the larger font you used when calling country and cobra liars...CAN YOU READ THIS?
ABC News' Matthew Jaffe reports: At a Thursday rally in an Akron union hall, Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden defended his contention that it is time for wealthy Americans to be patriotic and pay more taxes.
Biden was asked by ABC News' Kate Snow in an interview aired Thursday morning on "Good Morning America" if people earning more than $250,000 a year would have to pay more taxes under an Obama-Biden administration.
"You got it," Biden replied. "It's time to be patriotic, Kate. Time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help America out of the rut, and the way to do that is they're still gonna pay less taxes than they did under Reagan."
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You are forgetting that it was the issue of taxes that was part of the beginnings of this great country. I'm sure that Biden's remarks would have gone over well at the Boston tea Party. Taking money from one group and giving to another group is hardly patriotic. If you think so, start a charity.
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Cobra wrote: EarnestLi wrote: countrynow wrote: I think everyone needs to remember that it was "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" who publicly opened the door for Obamas' redistribution of wealth plan, when he stated some time before "It's PATRIOTIC to pay more taxes." I am becoming inclined to believe that "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" speaks the truth more often than we realize, it just gets shlugged away because we label it "just another gaffe."
He didn't say "it's patriotic to pay more taxes". Make up another lie. E: It seems that you are a failure at spinning tales and may wind up toto be the liar yourself.
“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people, It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.” …ABC Good Morning America
So it turns out that while we are told you can’t legislate morality, you can legislate patriotism. Isn’t that wonderful?
Apparently reading comprehension isn't one of your strenghts either. He never said, "it's patriotic to pay more taxes".
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EarnestLi wrote: countrynow wrote: I think everyone needs to remember that it was "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" who publicly opened the door for Obamas' redistribution of wealth plan, when he stated some time before "It's PATRIOTIC to pay more taxes." I am becoming inclined to believe that "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" speaks the truth more often than we realize, it just gets shlugged away because we label it "just another gaffe."
He didn't say "it's patriotic to pay more taxes". Make up another lie. E: It seems that you are a failure at spinning tales and may wind up toto be the liar yourself.
“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people, It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.” …ABC Good Morning America
So it turns out that while we are told you can’t legislate morality, you can legislate patriotism. Isn’t that wonderful?
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countrynow wrote: I think everyone needs to remember that it was "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" who publicly opened the door for Obamas' redistribution of wealth plan, when he stated some time before "It's PATRIOTIC to pay more taxes." I am becoming inclined to believe that "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" speaks the truth more often than we realize, it just gets shlugged away because we label it "just another gaffe."
He didn't say "it's patriotic to pay more taxes". Make up another lie.
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| I think everyone needs to remember that it was "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" who publicly opened the door for Obamas' redistribution of wealth plan, when he stated some time before "It's PATRIOTIC to pay more taxes." I am becoming inclined to believe that "say it ain't so, notorious Joe" speaks the truth more often than we realize, it just gets shlugged away because we label it "just another gaffe."
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It's always just about Joe, he lies about his first wife's death at the hands of a drunk driver, can't remember where he's been for the last 20 years, now his new commercial running for the Senate has him worring about the families in all of the houses his train passes from DC to Wilmington every night.
I hate to tell him but there aren't many houses with families having dinner, along the tracks from DC to Wilmington.
Just another Biden fabrication. And you think he's qualified to be your Vice President?
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Did anybody but me notice how the deployment of the Nationall Guard unit in Dover on Friday was more about Senator Biden than the troops? I was at the event, and I can't begin to tell you how many people told me thet were there either to see or just support Senatoe Biden and never even mentioned the Guard unot being deployed!!! I respect the fact that as a parent Sen. Biden had every right to be there and that he has attended several other deployment ceremonies. But this was ridiculous. If he really cared about those that were leaving he would have insisted that the cermony be held just like all the others without shutting down half of Dover so that he could shake hands for an hour. It just took so much awat from those who were there for the right reasons.
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Playing the Game wrote: Joebama hasn't given much but reaons to attack.
McBush is losing the election. I guess he gave folks even more to attack.
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| Joebama hasn't given much but reaons to attack.
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Boo wrote: Terrance wrote: Playing the Game wrote: Really Fred, what are the "Palin Program" fictions you are talking about?
More to the point, what are the Palin realities? She's a whack job. She will probably end up with her own TV show when this is over. Maybe she and Coulter could cohost a show called The Hockey Mom and the Witch. Whoowie and wheee doggie! Whole buncha insultin here. Cuzin Minnie said that ifn ya caint say anythin what has meanin, then insult. Loks like a lotta you guys are doin just that, spoecially that beaked feller.
If you want to talk about insults, you can put Palin at the top of that list. That's all Palin has been voicing out on the campaign trail.
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Terrance wrote: Playing the Game wrote: Really Fred, what are the "Palin Program" fictions you are talking about?
More to the point, what are the Palin realities? She's a whack job. She will probably end up with her own TV show when this is over. Maybe she and Coulter could cohost a show called The Hockey Mom and the Witch. Whoowie and wheee doggie! Whole buncha insultin here. Cuzin Minnie said that ifn ya caint say anythin what has meanin, then insult. Loks like a lotta you guys are doin just that, spoecially that beaked feller.
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The Quiet Man wrote: Did anybody but me notice how the deployment of the Nationall Guard unit in Dover on Friday was more about Senator Biden than the troops? I was at the event, and I can't begin to tell you how many people told me thet were there either to see or just support Senatoe Biden and never even mentioned the Guard unot being deployed!!! I respect the fact that as a parent Sen. Biden had every right to be there and that he has attended several other deployment ceremonies. But this was ridiculous. If he really cared about those that were leaving he would have insisted that the cermony be held just like all the others without shutting down half of Dover so that he could shake hands for an hour. It just took so much awat from those who were there for the right reasons.
Yes, very unfortunate. We have a family member who left with him on his third tour. He didn't get that treatment the first two times he went to Iraq. At least we saw him on tv though so it is what it is. Please read the new army doctrine so that those who insist that we are sending our troops to "fight for their country" can be corrected and quit using the term for the wrong reasons.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 09:27 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: Really Fred, what are the "Palin Program" fictions you are talking about?
More to the point, what are the Palin realities? She's a whack job. She will probably end up with her own TV show when this is over. Maybe she and Coulter could cohost a show called The Hockey Mom and the Witch.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 07:33 pm |
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more interesting fictions:
Palin's claim of: Obama voted against funding the troops.... There were multiple bills to fund the troops and Senators could pass only one of them. McCain and Obama both voted in favor of the same bill to fund the troops. Both voted against another bill designed to fund the troops. So, when Palin says, "Obama voted against funding the troops." She fails to mention that it was an incidental budget vote that almost every Senator voted against, and fails to mention her own party campaigned against that bill, and her own Presidential Candidate - Senator McCain voted against.
Palin's claim of: Obama voted to raise taxes [insert ridiculous number here] times. The measure that she was using assumes that any budget item that includes an adjustment for inflation should be counted as a tax increase. The assumption being that if inflation is going to be built into a defense contract to cover the procurement costs, that taxes will automatically increase with inflation as well. I.E. isn't the 6% sales tax in some states higher on a item that costs $1.25 instead of a $1? By this claim, every defense procurement bill that has gone through Congress is a Tax Increase! Ths would mean that Republicans have proposed more than TEN THOUSAND tax increases since Reagan's election. McCain has voted for hundreds, perhaps thousands of tax increases. At what point will she bother to use the definition of a tax increase that someone other than a manipulative lawyer attempting to distort the truth would use?
Palin's claim of: As Governor of Alaska she fought against earmarks and government pork. While she eventually got around to fighting the "Bridge to Nowhere", but only after several years of supporting it, she decided to keep the money.
Palin's claim of being honest and forthright: As Governor of Alaska, she billed the state for travel expenses will staying in her home. While there is a possible legal justification for her actions, she also billed the state for her family's travel expenses while staying at home. While there might also be a possible legal wrangling that might make this work, it hardly supports her assertions of being a regular, hard-working, tax-payer looking for an honest living... and... she failed to claim these payments on her taxes. This is what we call Tax Evasion. Even her most adament supporters have acknowledged that this is a major oops on her part.
Palin's claim of: Abstinence education works. An underaged pregnant daughter... nuf sed.
Palin's claim of: She is a devout Pentacostal believer. To this end, that means she supports burning books whose views disagree with her religion - an activity her church engaged in while she was a member and that she has never denounced. Yet, in her debate and public speeches, she claims to be tolerant of other belief sets - which is a violation of her religious beliefs. Either she is lying about being tolerant, or she is lying about being devout. She cannot be both tolerant and devout, her church says so.
Palin's claim of: being knowledgable about the qualifications and expectations of being Vice-President and believing in the literal application of the Constitution. During the debate she stated that she will be an active participant in the legislative process and has stated that she firmly believes in the Constitution as written and not interpreted (those evil liberal judges). Well... the Constitution says that the Vice President is a member of the Executive Branch of government and is prohibited from active participation in the legislative process - only able to vote on the Senate floor in the event of a tied vote. Her basis for being active in the Legislature? The Cheney interpretation of what a VP could be rather than what the Constitution says it is. Either she is lying about wanting a literal reading of the Constitution, or she is lying about wanting to adhere to it as VP.
Palin's assertion of being a regular ole "Hockey Mom" (insert gutteral H to acheive Alaskan accent). She has a net worth in excess of one million dollars. She has never lived without employer provided health insurance. She has never worked a job without a defined benefit pension. She enjoyed full-pay during maternity leave. Her family paid for her college education as she transferred between six colleges during her undergraduate studies. The last time I checked - less than 20% of working Americans are now covered under a defined benefit pension. Less than 10% have a net worth in excess of $1 million, less than one percent achieving that level of wealth under the age of 50. Less than 10% have been fully covered under employer provided health insurance during their entire adult life. Few people enjoy full-pay during materinty leave. Less than 10% of households are able to fully provide for their children's educational expenses. Her life is anything but ordinary working class. Next thing you know, she'll be bar-b-queing with her other working-class friends Joe-Six-Packers Steve Forbes and Pat Buchanan. And they will take their private chartered helicopter out for a ride to shoot moose, like all the other regular Joe's.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 06:12 pm |
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Just about everything she says, CR...starting with her whole fiction about being against the bridge to nowhere. I notice she dropped that line from her canned speeches. I know you buy that folksy bit, especially when she turns it up to "11",. because you think that is her being real. Well, you are free to believe in the Easter Bunny, as well.
My point was if you are going to go on about "The Joe Show" it is as valid to say something about the "Palin Program". Whatever you are implying about Joe's pitch to the American people applies to Palin. Historically, the VP candidate was the pit bull to do the attack on the opposite side, and it looks like Palin is bringing out the worst of America to do that.
When Dole was done running, he looked back and wished he had done some things differently, but he maintained some part of his dignity, and he carried that well after he had left the public stage. McCain will look back at what he wrought, and be deeply ashamed of what his campaign did...and I say that because I do believe that deep down, McCain is an honorable man, but he feels the ends justify the means right now.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 04:50 pm |
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| Really Fred, what are the "Palin Program" fictions you are talking about?
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 03:58 pm |
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| It certainly isn't a reality show, although it has been entertaining.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 12:03 pm |
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| Tell me Fred, what is the "Palin Program"?
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 03:06 am |
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But he ain't....at the very least, he is your United States Senator for the next 6 years...you almost have to vote for him, CR, to "only" have him as your VP for a 4 year term.
The Joe Show at least is based on fact versus the fiction of the Palin Program.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 01:48 am |
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| It's always about Joe. It's time for him to go away.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 01:37 am |
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| Did anybody but me notice how the deployment of the Nationall Guard unit in Dover on Friday was more about Senator Biden than the troops? I was at the event, and I can't begin to tell you how many people told me thet were there either to see or just support Senatoe Biden and never even mentioned the Guard unot being deployed!!! I respect the fact that as a parent Sen. Biden had every right to be there and that he has attended several other deployment ceremonies. But this was ridiculous. If he really cared about those that were leaving he would have insisted that the cermony be held just like all the others without shutting down half of Dover so that he could shake hands for an hour. It just took so much awat from those who were there for the right reasons.
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