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Posted: Tue Jul 14th, 2009 03:49 am |
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The far left leadership of the Democratic Party has been slowly, steadily pushing for a socialist America and working hard behind the scenes to change the government of the United States. After years of infiltration and indoctrination of those who left the Communist party, they knew and felt that the only chance they had was through the Democrat party. The party became so ideologically left that they were even leery of John Edwards and Richard Gephardt because of their association with the less-progressive Democratic Leadership Council. Not red or left enough for them. However, looking back the party had nothing but praise for Sen. John Kerry, Bob Graham, Howard Dean, Al Sharpton and Carol Moseley Braun. But, judging from the accolades and laudatory comments, Dennis Kucinich, the former co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, was by far the favorite Democratic candidate until Obama. His co-chairwoman was Barbara Lee, D-Calif., who has a career-long history of associations with Communist Party and extremist groups and individuals. Remember that Kucinich was tapped by Obama to be the Health Care Czar until tax problems overshadowed him as well.
Lee is a long-time friend of Communist Party militant Angela Davis, a former Communist Party presidential candidate, and succeeded another radical from the city of Oakland, Rep. Ron ''Red'' Dellums. Lee paid her establishment political dues – first as an aide to Dellums and later as a California assemblywoman and state senator. However, less known is Lee's service on the national coordinating committee of the ''Committees of Correspondence,'' an organization that splintered from the Communist Party USA in 1991. Davis, the three-time Communist Party candidate for vice president of the United States, served by her side.
''It will take an extraordinary united all-people's front with a movement on the ground to defeat the Bush right-wing agenda in 2004,'' explained a report to the CPUSA national committee June 28, again written by Fishman. ''It can be done with the combination of the labor vote, the women's vote and African-American and Latino vote, combined with the youth vote, the peace vote, the environmental vote, the senior vote, the farm vote, etc., all of whom are pledged to work as they never have before.''
Kucinich's Progressive Caucus is a socialist-leaning bloc of about 60 votes or nearly 30 percent of the minority vote in the lower chamber. Until 1999, the website of the Progressive Caucus was hosted by the Democratic Socialists of America.
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Website of Bernie Sanders http://www.berniehouse.gov
World Net Daily (link provided)
Website of the Democrat Socialists of America (link provided)
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Posted: Tue Jul 14th, 2009 12:48 am |
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| We now have 36 Czars appointed by Obama. They should more be aptly called "commissars" since they are not rulers as the czars were. But...they are unelected, unaccountable to the Congress or to the People and do not have to pass muster or confirmation by the Senate. We have in effect a parallel government in operation here. Our government is looking more like the Soviet government with the Politburo and the Comintern. This is getting worse by the day and the Obamatrons are drunk with the narcotic of liberalism. God help us! Last edited on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 12:50 am by Idaho Observer
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 01:54 pm |
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PRINCETON, NJ -- A Gallup Poll finds a statistically significant increase since last year in the percentage of Americans who describe the Democratic Party's views as being "too liberal," from 39% to 46%. This is the largest percentage saying so since November 1994, after the party's losses in that year's midterm elections
Most major demographic and attitudinal subgroups show at least a slight uptick since 2008 in perceptions that the Democratic Party is too liberal. The increasing perception of the Democrats as too far left comes as President Obama and the Democrats in Congress have expanded the government's role in the economy to address the economic problems facing the country. Additionally, the government is working toward major healthcare reform legislation and strengthening environmental regulations.
Notably, there has been no change over the past year in the percentage of Americans who say the Republican Party is "too conservative," though the 43% who say the party leans too far to the right matches the historical high mark set last year. (Gallup Organization)
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 12:37 pm |
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Lavitakus wrote: Bixby wrote: Notice how our resident leftists shy away from these toipics.
actually it's amusing simply watching you shortsellers scramble. Address the real issues in america and not the "wtf" just happened to my party crap and then maybe, just maybe there can be some discussion.
Then again, by addressing the real issues you place yourself on the choping block. Fascists through and through.
You are one of those who continue to shy away, Lavitakus. You offer nothing of substance to refute the post of Bix:
(More copycatting of the Communists by the Democrats, especially Obama and the hard left. We now have about 27 czars of all sorts. Unelected, unaccountable to the people bureaucrats which mirrors the former Soviet Union except there they called them Commissars. Tovaritch, Comrade.)
You offer a snide remark or an insult but looking at the post and not refuting it, can we presume that you approve of all of the Czars?
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 07:33 pm |
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Bixby wrote: Notice how our resident leftists shy away from these toipics.
actually it's amusing simply watching you shortsellers scramble. Address the real issues in america and not the "wtf" just happened to my party crap and then maybe, just maybe there can be some discussion.
Then again, by addressing the real issues you place yourself on the choping block. Fascists through and through.
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More copycatting of the Communists by the Democrats, especially Obama and the hard left. We now have about 27 czars of all sorts. Unelected, unaccountable to the people bureaucrats which mirrors the former Soviet Union except there they called them Commissars. Tovaritch, Comrade.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 12:18 am |
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Only in California do you get ths crap. Let the Terminator and his state rot in hell with Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein leading the way.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-06-13-padilla-lawsuit_N.htm
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 12:15 am |
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Notice how our resident leftists shy away from these toipics. Want to know why? Because they cannot truthfully refute them since they are fact, just like the association with far-left "green" activists such as the Gren Party. It goves yopu somewhat of a clue as to why the Communists, Socialists, and other radical left groups flocked to the Democrat party and why Obama sought out those very groups to advance his presidency.
You can see why Democrats have organized effectively in discussions with the Green Party and other ''left'' organizations in which the Communists have argued against presidential and congressional candidates by third parties, adding, ''one united push is required to defeat the Republican stronghold.'' 'This requires a special approach with groups like the Campus Greens and the Peace and Freedom Party in California. At a June 29, 2008 meeting in New York, the national committee (CPUSA) approved a resolution making the defeat of Bush and the Republican majority in Congress the ''number one priority.'' That's why many Communists have enrolled in the Democrat party. However, not all possible Democratic presidential candidates would necesaarily energize the Communists, except maybe Hillary Clinton but they are rather glad they backed Obama.
Facts that the left cannot refute but we will see how and if they try.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 12:44 pm |
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Barack Obama has become America's Gorbachev. Gorbachev presided over the destruction of the Soviet Union, and Barack Obama is presiding over the destruction of the United States of America. There is no other way to say this. Given the economic numbers that we have -- given the 25-year record unemployment, given that there is no positive economic news anywhere -- wouldn't somebody with common sense and a brain think that after... Let's count 'em up here. This is just five months, and then we add October, November... After eight months of an amount of spending that equals $11 trillion and an over $2 trillion budget deficit this year -- after eight months of stimulating the economy in ways that have never been done, under the theory that this was the only way to revive our US economy -- isn't it time to stop and say, "Wait a minute! The political solutions not only aren't working, they are making it worse"?
Eight months, and this kind of spending is enough of a proving ground for me.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 04:31 am |
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The Insyder wrote: This is the Gorbachev news. The headline says it all: "Mikhail Gorbachev Calls for Perestroika," a new openness and reform in the West. "Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev called for a perestroika, or top-to-bottom reform, in the West, arguing that its current economic model was 'unsustainable' and needed replacement. Commenting on the current global economic crisis, the ex-Soviet president who presided over the collapse of his country," and that's the right way to describe it. Gorbachev is credited for ending the Cold War. Mikhail Gorbachev presided over the collapse of his country like Barack Obama is presiding over the collapse of his. And so a man who knows how to collapse his own economy is now advising us on how to collapse ours. He said that "it was now clear to him 'that the new Western model was an illusion that benefited chiefly the very rich.'" He's not talking about Obama's current policies, folks. He's talking about officially ditching capitalism. Said Mikhail Gorbachev, "The model that emerged during the final decades of the 20th century has turned out to be unsustainable." This is an op-ed piece in the Washington Post, by the way. "Gorbachev wrote in an op-ed piece in the Washington Post, 'It was based on a drive for super-profits and hyper-consumption for a few, on unrestrained exploitation of resources and on social and environmental irresponsibility.'" Gorbachev then predicted, "'perhaps even greater upheaval down the road' and insisted that the current economic and social model existing in the West needed replacing." He is endorsing what Obama is doing, tearing apart the greatest economy in the history of the world. Mikhail Gorbachev, who presided over the collapse of his own economy, is essentially now endorsing the same steps taken by Barack Obama. I don't know about you, when I have a former communist totalitarian dictator articulating policies identical to those being enacted by a United States president; I get scared to d**n death.
• AFP: Gorbachev Calls for Perestroika in West
• Pravda: Barack Obama becomes USA's Mikhail Gorbachev
Come to think of it there has been plenty of posts here where Obama has been praised by the head of the CPUSA for implementing the very things they have been hoping to do for decades. I think that JP and Bixby have enlightened us with the things the Communists did and how the Democrats ae doing the very same thing. Odd, dont you think? I mirror the sentiments posted above in red by the Insider.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 05:02 pm |
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This is the Gorbachev news. The headline says it all: "Mikhail Gorbachev Calls for Perestroika," a new openness and reform in the West. "Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev called for a perestroika, or top-to-bottom reform, in the West, arguing that its current economic model was 'unsustainable' and needed replacement. Commenting on the current global economic crisis, the ex-Soviet president who presided over the collapse of his country," and that's the right way to describe it. Gorbachev is credited for ending the Cold War. Mikhail Gorbachev presided over the collapse of his country like Barack Obama is presiding over the collapse of his. And so a man who knows how to collapse his own economy is now advising us on how to collapse ours. He said that "it was now clear to him 'that the new Western model was an illusion that benefited chiefly the very rich.'" He's not talking about Obama's current policies, folks. He's talking about officially ditching capitalism. Said Mikhail Gorbachev, "The model that emerged during the final decades of the 20th century has turned out to be unsustainable." This is an op-ed piece in the Washington Post, by the way. "Gorbachev wrote in an op-ed piece in the Washington Post, 'It was based on a drive for super-profits and hyper-consumption for a few, on unrestrained exploitation of resources and on social and environmental irresponsibility.'" Gorbachev then predicted, "'perhaps even greater upheaval down the road' and insisted that the current economic and social model existing in the West needed replacing." He is endorsing what Obama is doing, tearing apart the greatest economy in the history of the world. Mikhail Gorbachev, who presided over the collapse of his own economy, is essentially now endorsing the same steps taken by Barack Obama. I don't know about you, when I have a former communist totalitarian dictator articulating policies identical to those being enacted by a United States president; I get scared to d**n death.
• AFP: Gorbachev Calls for Perestroika in West
• Pravda: Barack Obama becomes USA's Mikhail Gorbachev
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 10:38 pm |
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Courtdog wrote: Lavitakus, please take no offense at this. The two who are most prolific about posting on socialism (or other isms, if you prefer) are Bixby and JP, although there are others. Bixby correctly stated that one cannot paint the entire Democratic party with the same brush and that it is the far left who control the party who may be termed as some variation of "socialists."
Then we have JP whose post on Fabian socialism appears to me to be very accurate. I see no inconsistencies in what he describes as their primary tactics and what the President and the far-left Democrats who control the party advocate and in the process of implementing.
So whatever you may feel about the posters, I don't see anything that would be considered as "off base" in the descriptions of events.
So what kind of socialist president would Obama make? Will he be the strong-man socialist type like Hugo Chavez, or will he give us the soft socialism that Clement Atlee used to defeat Churchill after WWII?
Will we see Rush Limbaugh shut down by Fairness Doctrine fascists? Will we see Baptist preachers hauled off in handcuffs for anti-sodomy sermons? Very likely we will see strong worded letters from powerful lawyers in and out of government to program directors and general managers of radio stations. Ominous references to license renewal and failure to comply with “localism.”
As the Jerry Bowyer JP referenced said on CNBC, “The psychic propaganda assault will be powerful. The cyber-brown-shirts will spew hate, the union guys will flood talk shows with switchboard-collapsing swarms of complaint calls aimed at those hosts who "go beyond the pale" in their criticisms of Obama. In concert with pop culture outlets like The Daily Show and SNL, Obama will use his podium to humiliate and demonize those of us who don't want to come together and heal the planet.”
You've heard of the bully pulpit, right? Well, then get ready, because you're about to see the bully part.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 12:54 pm |
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Lavitakus, please take no offense at this. The two who are most prolific about posting on socialism (or other isms, if you prefer) are Bixby and JP, although there are others. Bixby correctly stated that one cannot paint the entire Democratic party with the same brush and that it is the far left who control the party who may be termed as some variation of "socialists."
Then we have JP whose post on Fabian socialism appears to me to be very accurate. I see no inconsistencies in what he describes as their primary tactics and what the President and the far-left Democrats who control the party advocate and in the process of implementing.
So whatever you may feel about the posters, I don't see anything that would be considered as "off base" in the descriptions of events.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 03:18 am |
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| Please do not take offense, Tink but I can probably only point out two, maybe three posters here who know didly fn d**k about socialism. It's the act of using the term that once made libs a four letter word. It is also what is beginning to make the term "conservative" the new four letter word. You see, your audience isn't the same anymore. It's disturbing really because conservatism isn't really a bad thing, it's the know nothing crowd that claims to be the smart ones. In other words, the same old same old needs a makeover.
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Lavitakus wrote: A prime example,of what fred was referencing, JP. I don't at all see the connection. What JP wrote is not what Fred refers to. I don't see any inaccuracies in JP's post. Would you care to point them put piece by piece?
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Jurisprudence wrote: So here is the playbook: The left will identify, freeze, personalize and polarize an industry, right now health care.
It always comes back to the market, huh? 
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| A prime example,of what fred was referencing, JP.
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Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 05:34 pm |
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After examining the many forms of socialism (Rousseauvian socialism, Utopian socialism, Ricardian socialism, Revolutionary Anarcho socialism, Marxist socialism, Hegelian state socialism, Christian socialism) just to mention a few, there can be no doubt that Barack Obama and a large group of controlling Democrats are Fabian socialists. Although there are many similarities among those mentioned, and Obama and his leftist base employ a good many of the similarities, Obama is a Fabian socialist. If you desire a basic introduction to the Fabian socialists, I recommend tou read “The Folklore of Capitalism” by Thurman W Arnold.
What Fabians believe, as does Obama, is a gradual nationalization of the economy through manipulation of the democratic process. Breaking away from the violent revolutionary socialists like Lenin, they think that the only real way to effect "fundamental change" and "social justice" is through a mass movement of the working classes presided over by the intellectual and cultural elite. This is in direct opposition to the dictatorship of the proletariat of Marx and Lenin. Obama and his Far-left Democrats think of themselves as an elite corps who knows what’s best for you. It may also explain some of the narcissist tendencies of Obama.
Obama’s Fabian brand of socialism believes that you are to question everyone and challenge everything except the socialism that is prescribed for you. That is the Fabian MO. The relentless cultural and journalistic attacks on everything we know and believe followed by the exerted drive for what might be offered under the new socialist-molded America. John Cusack's character in Woody Allen's "Bullets Over Broadway" captures the essence of the movement quite well. That's Obama's world.
President Obama (then candidate Obama) told you (and is telling you) the truth when he says that he doesn't agree with Bill Ayers' violent bombing tactics, but it's a tactical disagreement. Why use dynamite when mass media and community organizing work so much better? Who needs Molotov when you've got Saul Alinski?
You see it and read it every day. So here is the playbook: The left will identify, freeze, personalize and polarize an industry, right now health care. It is currently engaged , with some success, in nationalizing one-fifth of the economy of the country through legislative action. They will focus, as Lenin did, on the "commanding heights" of the economy, not the little guy.
As Obama said, "the smallest" businesses will be exempt from fines for not "doing the right thing" in offering employer-based health care coverage. Health will not be nationalized in one fell swoop; they have been studying the failures of Hillary Care. Instead, a parallel system will be created, funded by surcharges on business payroll, which will be superior to many private plans.
Jerry Boyer, chief economist of the Benchmark Financial Network, and a CNBC contributor, evaluates it this way:
“The old system will be forced to subsidize the new system and there will be a gradual shift from the former to the latter. The only coercion will be the fines, not the participation. A middle-class entitlement will have been created. It may not be health care first; it might be energy, though I suspect that energy will be nationalized much more gradually. The offshore drilling ban that was allowed to lapse legislatively will be reinstated through executive means. It may be an executive order, but might just as well be a permit reviewing system that theoretically allows drilling but with endless levels of objection and appeal from anti-growth groups. Wind and solar, on the other hand, will have no permitting problems at all, and a heavy taxpayer subsidy at their backs.”
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Yawn. When did the Dems "turn" into whatever? Hasen't the right been saying the same old, same old for about 50 years, and that every single Democrat that has come along is 10 times worse then the last Democrat leader, wouldn't about 20 ago they would have surpassed any measurement of any political system ever?
I hope that you realize that at best, you are desensitizing what the terms mean. Work with me here...if you bleat over and over that Obama is a Communist (whether he is or not is besides the point), AND he succeeds, you've basically "conceded" that Communism (or socialism, or whatever term you think works at the moment) has worked.
The problem with this is the same problem you've been having...that the American people don't see it that way. They don't believe that there is either the Republican, conservative way (ie, "your way"), and every other single variation in every single issue is a dyed in the wool Trotskite solution.
They are smarter then that.
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There are still conservative Democrats. We can't paint the entire party with the same brush. The commies have settled into the far-left base and unfortunately at this time they seem to have pretty convincing influence. Communists and socialists have found refuge in the Democratic Party and that Obama is sensitive to their agendas and eager to advance many of their positions as we can see by the top gun at the CPUSA.
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Democrats and Communists? Frankly I don't see a d**ned bit of difference and neither does the head of the CPUSA. There's no denying it.
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With Obama as president, health care and the economy can be "reformed," U.S. troops can be evacuated from the Middle East, a second stimulus bill can be passed, the criminal justice system can be overhauled and union rights can be expanded – in other words, it's a Christmas list come true – declared the leader of the Communist Party USA.
"All these – and many other things – are within our reach now!" exclaimed Sam Webb in a New York banquet speech for the People's Weekly World, the official newspaper of the Communist Party USA.
Tell the tax, spend and control "reformers" in our government what you really think with the "I'll keep the money, you keep the change" magnetic bumper sticker from WND.
Webb's speech was entitled, "The impossible becomes possible."
Webb declared that under Obama, "We can dream again, knowing that the gap between our dreams and reality is bridgeable."
"I am confident the American people in their millions – reeling under the weight of this terrible economic crisis and yearning for a more decent, equal, peaceful and just world – will follow their example and turn this country into a more perfect union," stated Webb.
In this new political climate, we can foresee winning a public option, like Medicare, in the current legislative fight over health care reform.
We can visualize enacting tough regulatory reforms on the financial industry that brought the economy to ruin.
We can imagine bringing the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan, while being part of a regional process that brings peace and stability to the entire region.
In this new political climate, the expansion of union rights in this legislative session is not only sensible, it's doable.
Much the same can be said about winning a second stimulus bill, and we sure need one, given the still rising and likely long term persistence of unemployment with the heaviest burden, as usual, falling on communities of color.
Isn't it possible in the post-Bush era to launch a vigorous attack on global warming and create millions of green jobs in manufacturing and elsewhere?
Can't we envision taking new strides in the long journey for racial and gender equality in this new era, marked at its beginning by the election of the first African American to the presidency?
And isn't the overhaul of the criminal justice and prison system – a system steeped in racism and employing punitive treatment as it organizing principle – no longer pie in the sky, but something that can be done in the foreseeable future?
Webb pointed out that neither Obama nor "progressive congresspeople" can enact these changes by themselves.
"We have to reach, activate, unite and turn millions of Americans into change agents who can make the political difference in these struggles," he said.
Webb explained how unions and grassroots organizations can help bring about important changes.
Indeed, labor unions were instrumental in electing Obama. A Political Affairs article just after last November's election titled "Special Interest or Class Consciousness? How Labor Put Obama in the White House" reported on polling data released that revealed the extent of union support for Obama.
The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, or AFL-CIO, sponsored a poll showing union members supported Obama by a 68-30 margin and strongly influenced their family members. According to the survey, Obama won among white men who are union members by 18 points. Union gun-owners backed Obama by 12 points, while union veterans voted for Obama by a 25-point margin. In the general population, Obama lost these groups by significant margins.
Reacting to Webb's speech, Communist researcher Trevour London of the New Zeal blog stated, "Now we know every major item on the Communist Party's agenda. Socialized healthcare, increased union power, massive controls on the finance sector, ending the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, a heavily regulated 'green economy', a second 'stimulus' bill, weakening of the 'racist' prison system. ... Tick the items off as the Obama administration acts on each and every one of them."
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The Future wrote: No!!! What made things this way is the Clinton's scheme to get rich by forcing banks to lend to people who had no business being lent too..
No. You have to start way before Clinton. Heck, he's an outlier at best. Start in 1979.
Based on that, the rest of your post was redundant in my opinion.
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Fred wrote: Oh, so much fodder, and so little time....
First, if you are ever going to say "they" said something about those of overseas...make sure you include who said it, and the context. One idiotic thing pulled from the middle of the speech doesn't cut it.
Second....the lack of regulation in the derivitives market is pretty much the smoking gun for the mess we are in. It is amazing to me that what people were investing in wasn't property, or even securities made of property, but investments that were several layers removed from anything that a reasonable person can understand.
Third...tax cuts are part of the solution, and that is why Obama pushed for them. I don't believe they are the only solution, or President Bush's tax stimulus package last year would have kept us out of the recession.
But, in a development, the Republicans decided NOT to call upon the Democrats to change the name of their party, but instead asked them to turn away from their "socialist" ways. Yeah, that is the way to build your party....
First: I'll give you that!!! I may have pulled that one out of context
Second: Umm, yeah derrivitives that were made up of huge lumps of High Risk Loans with fluctuating interest rates. People could not have bought up the debt if the money was never Lent in the first place! And it wouldn't have been lent if Bill Clinton and the Democrats didn't force the banks to do it!!!
THIRD:If you agree with Tax cuts then how can you support the largest spending bill in the history of this country? How can that be paid for without taxes being increased?
Yeah, I was watching Fox news last night and I saw the story on that!!! And I agree with you...What the hell is that going to do? The fact is, a large part of the population in this country doesn't even know what a socialist is and what the disadvantages of having a socialist government are! The republicans need to get a little more creative then calling the Dem's socialists... I've been doing that for two years!!
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Oh, so much fodder, and so little time....
First, if you are ever going to say "they" said something about those of overseas...make sure you include who said it, and the context. One idiotic thing pulled from the middle of the speech doesn't cut it.
Second....the lack of regulation in the derivitives market is pretty much the smoking gun for the mess we are in. It is amazing to me that what people were investing in wasn't property, or even securities made of property, but investments that were several layers removed from anything that a reasonable person can understand.
Third...tax cuts are part of the solution, and that is why Obama pushed for them. I don't believe they are the only solution, or President Bush's tax stimulus package last year would have kept us out of the recession.
But, in a development, the Republicans decided NOT to call upon the Democrats to change the name of their party, but instead asked them to turn away from their "socialist" ways. Yeah, that is the way to build your party....
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No!!! What made things this way is the Clinton's scheme to get rich by forcing banks to lend to people who had no business being lent too..
So what do the banks and mortgage companies do? They come up with mortgage plans that enable them to justify being involved with sub prime mortgages and strategies that insure they are being covered for the risks they are taking by lending to HIGH risk clients....Can you blame them? Banks are a business and they make money off of interest!!!
I'm sure the next thing you Dem's will say is the war took us into this...Well here is a wake up call...This war has not cost us anything compared to what Obama's stimulous is going to cost us!!!
So now we can focus on the real reason why we are here...
The housing bubble that was created by the CLinton Campaign... By forcing lenders to loan to people increased the Demand for houseing... As the supply of homes decreased nationwide, the overall value of everyones homes increased... With everyone gaining equity in thier homes they could refinance, which enabled people to be eligible to borrow more money...Even though they should have never been lent the money they had in the first place!!! So as time goes on, investors, realtors and developers realize that there is a huge demand for single family homes and developments begin popping up everywhere... Geuss what, now the supply is higher then the demand, which means the nationwide value of homes begins to decrease due to the market being flooded... Uh oh... Once people start losing the equity in thier homes, they also lose there buying power!!!(The Beginning of the end) Now you still have developments going up and the market is continuing to be saturated with new homes until the market can no longer take it and the construction industry is desimated(thus begins the beginning of the run on the unemployment office)...(Supply continues to go up and the demand goes down = low housing values) So with all of the workers in the construction industry out of work they cut down on thier spending and the demand for goods and services in other sectors begins to decrease...This is ok for a little while but as businesses begin to see the demand for thier goods and services decrease they are forced to cut hours and eventually lay people off...Not GOOD!!! So now the Liberal Media starts reporting that our country is in a recession... This begins the "snowball effect" and people who still have jobs are no longer spending... (Decrease in productivity = more layoffs) SO the Dem';s realize this and Obama tries to capitalize on it by preaching that the only way america can come out of this catastrophe is with the help of him and the government....The american people are so scared of losing thier homes and not being able to provide for thier families(thanks to the liberal media and the scare tactics used by the democratic party) that they are forced to vote for B.Obama because they felt that there was no other choice!!! This is where the republicans went wrong by focusing more on issues like abortion and gay marriage and not focusing on issues like people keeping thier homes and thier jobs!!! They should have done a better job of relating to the people who were struggling at the time and provided a solution. Eventhough, "CHANGE" is not a viable solution and that never would have worked if people weren't so desperate at the time of the election.
So to make a long story short...A huge portion of where we are today is because of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac... It can all be linked to the government passing legislation on banks forcing them to lend!!!! ust another reason why the government has no business being invloved with private lenders or any other business in the private sector!!!
So if people were not afforded the opportunity to live above thier means we would not be in this situation we are in today. The CLINTON administration gave the american people the rope and they eventually hung themselves!!!!
This is very simple economic theory by the way!!!You liberals have been brain washed..Its funny actually, you all are much like the followers of Hitler and the Third Reich!!!
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The Future wrote: Fred wrote: You bring up or have a lot of different issues, friend.
First, I doubt one has to sneak into Cuba.
Second, I would bet that there a LOT more then 78% of the posts here are from conservative types. I'm not even that particularly liberal,but I am a stickler for fairness and logic...maybe too much, at times. I've even given some of you slower conservatives BETTER arguments then the crap that you pull out, after destroying your defective premise.
Third, I'm not for more taxes, but I am for keeping our country from heading into a deep recession or depression. The bailouts kept that from happening, and unfortunately the Republicans had no alternative. Shoot, I'm still waiting to hear one, but the policy seems to be to not say anything but to bad mouth any and all actions that the administration does. That is fine, but when it starts working, your spokespeople will look even more foolish.
I think there are paths forward that are different, but if all you do is scream socialism without offering an alternative, you run the risk of, if nothing else, convincing people that socialism works. Think about it...if the economy recovers (and I believe it will...maybe on it's own accord, maybe as a result of some of the programs, maybe a bit of both)....what you labeled as socialism gets a very good reputation.
So...drop the curse words, stop the insults (you are not good enough to make them), and try to think for yourself. The agreement today between the states, the automakers, and the government is sure to be a major annoyance on all your right wing shows, but given as the automakers were facing the prospect of having several different state's standards (state's rights, if you will), and the nightmare of running different lines and standards for each, they got something. Those suing the goverment for states rights got most of what they wanted, and the government got what they wanted...Big government? Sure, but if you were a manufacturer of cars, would you not prefer one standard to meet, even if it is bit tougher then you really want?
And if you think the DEMS are good for this economy...WATCH how the Market responds to Tim Geihtner's speach on capital hill today!!!
By the way, it was the LIBS who were calling you guys overseas "villians of the night, who sneak around killing women and children while they sleep" ... If your not for more taxes then how in the hell can you support the stimulous bill? Who do you think is going to pay for that??? Thats the problem with LiB's, you think you are on Barrack's team or something and everything he is doing is targeted toward the republicans and thier views. Thats not the case, you will realize this when you walk into a gas station to get your favorite 20oz soda and costs $5.25 due to inflation, a week dollar, and all the taxes on it...(Sugar tax, federal sales tax, state sales tax, etc...) You will probably find some way to justify this to...Don't waste your time!!
And if I were an Automobile Manufacturer in this country I would want a government that wasn't on the UAW,s balls and a government that would mind there own business and stay the hell out of the private sector.. And for you to think that this country would not survive if we didn't recieve the stimulous is ludicris!!!! The people of this country are resiliant and willing to work hard for what they want. Our country was built on conservative principles and a small compact government. Capitalism and Free Enterprise is why we are the great country that we are today!! So why in the hell should we now all of the sudden switch to socialism? Let the economy steer its own course, just like it always has...
The only thing I am going to see from the stimulous is the cost of every product/service in this country being raised(inflation), every item we enjoy(soda,alcohol,cigarettes, sugar...etc) taxed until I can't afford them anymore, and a pay cut because of all the taxes being imposed on my company!!!
Here is a solution: CUT TAXES!!! Have the government stop going into the private sector of our country(Banking, Lending, Auto Manufacturing)> Stop passing regulations and emmission standards on our businesses that the rest of world do not abide by!!! End WELFARE, stop pulling money out of our paychecks and let medicaid and social security go bankrupt.... Drill for our own oil !!! Open more nuclear power plants!!
A separation of corporation and state works for me. As far as the rest of your rant, the proposed solution you offer is what made things this way. You probably sold your rope already, didn't you! hehehehe...
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Fred wrote: You bring up or have a lot of different issues, friend.
First, I doubt one has to sneak into Cuba.
Second, I would bet that there a LOT more then 78% of the posts here are from conservative types. I'm not even that particularly liberal,but I am a stickler for fairness and logic...maybe too much, at times. I've even given some of you slower conservatives BETTER arguments then the crap that you pull out, after destroying your defective premise.
Third, I'm not for more taxes, but I am for keeping our country from heading into a deep recession or depression. The bailouts kept that from happening, and unfortunately the Republicans had no alternative. Shoot, I'm still waiting to hear one, but the policy seems to be to not say anything but to bad mouth any and all actions that the administration does. That is fine, but when it starts working, your spokespeople will look even more foolish.
I think there are paths forward that are different, but if all you do is scream socialism without offering an alternative, you run the risk of, if nothing else, convincing people that socialism works. Think about it...if the economy recovers (and I believe it will...maybe on it's own accord, maybe as a result of some of the programs, maybe a bit of both)....what you labeled as socialism gets a very good reputation.
So...drop the curse words, stop the insults (you are not good enough to make them), and try to think for yourself. The agreement today between the states, the automakers, and the government is sure to be a major annoyance on all your right wing shows, but given as the automakers were facing the prospect of having several different state's standards (state's rights, if you will), and the nightmare of running different lines and standards for each, they got something. Those suing the goverment for states rights got most of what they wanted, and the government got what they wanted...Big government? Sure, but if you were a manufacturer of cars, would you not prefer one standard to meet, even if it is bit tougher then you really want?
And if you think the DEMS are good for this economy...WATCH how the Market responds to Tim Geihtner's speach on capital hill today!!!
By the way, it was the LIBS who were calling you guys overseas "villians of the night, who sneak around killing women and children while they sleep" ... If your not for more taxes then how in the hell can you support the stimulous bill? Who do you think is going to pay for that??? Thats the problem with LiB's, you think you are on Barrack's team or something and everything he is doing is targeted toward the republicans and thier views. Thats not the case, you will realize this when you walk into a gas station to get your favorite 20oz soda and costs $5.25 due to inflation, a week dollar, and all the taxes on it...(Sugar tax, federal sales tax, state sales tax, etc...) You will probably find some way to justify this to...Don't waste your time!!
And if I were an Automobile Manufacturer in this country I would want a government that wasn't on the UAW,s balls and a government that would mind there own business and stay the hell out of the private sector.. And for you to think that this country would not survive if we didn't recieve the stimulous is ludicris!!!! The people of this country are resiliant and willing to work hard for what they want. Our country was built on conservative principles and a small compact government. Capitalism and Free Enterprise is why we are the great country that we are today!! So why in the hell should we now all of the sudden switch to socialism? Let the economy steer its own course, just like it always has...
The only thing I am going to see from the stimulous is the cost of every product/service in this country being raised(inflation), every item we enjoy(soda,alcohol,cigarettes, sugar...etc) taxed until I can't afford them anymore, and a pay cut because of all the taxes being imposed on my company!!!
Here is a solution: CUT TAXES!!! Have the government stop going into the private sector of our country(Banking, Lending, Auto Manufacturing)> Stop passing regulations and emmission standards on our businesses that the rest of world do not abide by!!! End WELFARE, stop pulling money out of our paychecks and let medicaid and social security go bankrupt.... Drill for our own oil !!! Open more nuclear power plants!!
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| Amen, brother!
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You bring up or have a lot of different issues, friend.
First, I doubt one has to sneak into Cuba.
Second, I would bet that there a LOT more then 78% of the posts here are from conservative types. I'm not even that particularly liberal,but I am a stickler for fairness and logic...maybe too much, at times. I've even given some of you slower conservatives BETTER arguments then the crap that you pull out, after destroying your defective premise.
Third, I'm not for more taxes, but I am for keeping our country from heading into a deep recession or depression. The bailouts kept that from happening, and unfortunately the Republicans had no alternative. Shoot, I'm still waiting to hear one, but the policy seems to be to not say anything but to bad mouth any and all actions that the administration does. That is fine, but when it starts working, your spokespeople will look even more foolish.
I think there are paths forward that are different, but if all you do is scream socialism without offering an alternative, you run the risk of, if nothing else, convincing people that socialism works. Think about it...if the economy recovers (and I believe it will...maybe on it's own accord, maybe as a result of some of the programs, maybe a bit of both)....what you labeled as socialism gets a very good reputation.
So...drop the curse words, stop the insults (you are not good enough to make them), and try to think for yourself. The agreement today between the states, the automakers, and the government is sure to be a major annoyance on all your right wing shows, but given as the automakers were facing the prospect of having several different state's standards (state's rights, if you will), and the nightmare of running different lines and standards for each, they got something. Those suing the goverment for states rights got most of what they wanted, and the government got what they wanted...Big government? Sure, but if you were a manufacturer of cars, would you not prefer one standard to meet, even if it is bit tougher then you really want?
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Posted: Tue May 19th, 2009 09:05 pm |
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And if you think that only 22% of this country is tired of being taxed to death, paying for gov. susidized programs that don't work, and watching our economy and standard of living continue to be flushed down the toilet, then you are even more stupid then I gave you credit for!!!
I bet 22% of the posts on here are made by liberals and the rest by the right...
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Posted: Tue May 19th, 2009 08:58 pm |
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| The government stepping in to save a failing business, and redistributing its clean asset's to the union that is responsible for its bankruptcy just to secure votes is corruption and socialism!!! (55% of the remaining stock and the controlling stake in the company to the UAW, 35% to the Governement and 10% to the bond holders who had the most invested in the company is SOCIALISM)...You stupid liberal ASS*ole... I am glad you are happy paying for the low lifes of this country...That is if you even have a job yourself... Why don't you go sneak into CUBA and live there if you want every aspect of your life to be dictated by the Government!!
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Wow...some very long posts to keep saying the same old, same old. I know the Republican party has run out of ideas, but are they recycling talking points, too?
I guess the answer is yes if the biggest thing that the Republicans want to do is have a conference to pass a motion saying that the Dems are socialist. Okay....go ahead. The 22% of America who identifies as Republicans will surely agree with you.
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el22526 wrote: Obama's "hired brain" sez "Tea Parties are unhealthy."
Who is Obama's 'Hired Brain', David Axelrod? Maybe this expert propaganda agent, Axelrod, is afraid the Tea Parties would ruin the Fusion concept, taught to the New Party (defunct newparty.org) when Obama was a New Party member in '96, that launched Obama into the White House.
HatTip to NewZeal Research.
Barack Obama's chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, once worked for a man who was an identified member of the Communist Party USA, a registered agent of the Soviet Union and a paid disseminator of Soviet black propaganda.
This man went on to become a key Chicago political fixer who helped elect communist linked politicians including the late Chicago mayor Harold Washington and former US Senator Carol Moseley Braun.
This man knew Barack Obama and was a key member of an organisation which endorsed Barack Obama in his 2004 US Senate race. Barack and Michelle Obama were active members of this organisation, which was once investigated by the FBI over claims of communist infiltration.
Who was this man? What was his background?
The individual in question was late Chicago lawyer David Simon Canter(1923/2004).
Born in Boston, David Canter was the son of Harry J Canter, an activist with the Industrial Workers of the World who later became secretary of the Boston Communist Party.
While the Communist Party candidate for Massachusetts secretary of state, Canter was arrested for carrying a placard "FULLER—MURDERER OF SACCO AND VANZETTI" " attacking Governor Fuller for the execution of anarchists Sacco and Vanzetti. Harry Canter was tried, convicted and jailed for a year for criminal libel in May 1929.
After his release Canter senior moved his family, including son David to the Soviet Union. The boy must have stayed in the "workers paradise" for some time because according to his obituary in the Chicago Sun-Times of August 30, 2004;
“After his release, Mr. Canter’s father moved the family from Boston to Russia, where the young man developed a love for Russian literature, (Sydney) Bild said.”
By 1946 the family had turned up in Chicago, where Harry Canter worked for many years as Secretary of Chicago Local 16 of the International Typographical Union.
Harry Canter later moved to San Fransisco, where he remained active in leftist causes. David Canter however remained in Chicago.
David Canter was the left's choice for editor of the University of Chicago student newspaper "Maroon" in 1948.
In 1958 David Canter graduated from the John Marshall Law School. He also edited the Packinghouse Workers Union newspaper "Champion" newspaper.
According to communist historian Max Friedman
The Packinghouse Workers Union was a long time CPUSA-influenced, if not controlled union that later merged with the Meatcutters to form the CPUSA-run Amalgamated Meatcutters & Butcherworkmens’ Union, lead by identified CPUSA labor leader Abe Feinglass, who was also a VP of the Soviet-KGB front, the World Peace Council..Some hearings on the Packinghouse Workers were held by the House Committee on Un-American Activities and one revealed that the future Rep. Charles Hayes (D-Ill, Chicago) was a high-ranking member of the CPUSA in the Meatcutters Union along with Feinglass.
By 1960 David Canter had teamed up with well known Chicago Communist Party member and later founder of Veterans for Peace, Leroy Wolins.
The pair owned a company Translation World Publishers, which specialised in publications from and about the Soviet Union. The company soon attracted the attention of the House Un-American Activities Committee, which suspected Canter and Wolins of being conduits for Soviet propaganda.
The committee questioned Canter and Wolins on payments recieved from the Soviet Union
The committee also questioned Canter about his membership of the Communist Party.
The committee went on to find that;
Translation World Publishers was an outlet for the distribution of Soviet
propaganda...this publishing house was subsidized by Soviet funds and was created by known Communists to serve the propaganda interests of the U.S.S.R.
In 1963/64 the Soviet Union actively tried to undermine Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, in favour of Democrat Lyndon Johnson. Goldwater lost the election paving the the way for Johnson's "Great Society".
In their 1989 book "THE KGB AGAINST THE MAIN ENEMY-How the Soviet Intelligence Service Operates against the United States" the US's premier communist researcher Herbert Romerstein and former KGB officer Stanislav Levchenko examined Soviet attempts to blacken Goldwater's name and other Soviet campaigns of the time;
The false charge that Goldwater was a racist was only one of the smear campaigns used against his candidacy by the Soviets and their surrogates. The American Communists covertly covertly assisted in this "active measures" campaign.
A 1963 booklet claimed that Goldwater was conspiring with the John Birch Society to organize a "putsch," or violent insurrection, to take over the United States in 1964. The booklet, Birch Putsch Plans for 1964, contained no address for the publisher, Domino Publications. The author used the not-veryimaginative pseudonym, "John Smith, as told to Stanhope T. McReady." There was nothing to tie this publication to the communists until an ad for the book in the pro-communist National Guardian for April 25, 1963, listed the publisher as "Domino Publications, Suite 900, 22 West Madison Street, Chicago, Ilinois."
This was in fact the address of Translation World Publishers, which was registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act as an agent of the Soviet Union. The co-owners, LeRoy Wolins and David S. Canter, were identifed by the House Committee on Un-American Activities as members of the Communist Party USA.
In 1965 Domino Publications of Chicago published a pamphlet attacking the NATO multilateral nuclear force (MLF). The pamphlet, by David S. Canter, was titled MLF-Force or Farce? It presented the Soviet arguments against the NATO nuclear defense.
By the late 1960s David Canter was publishing a small politically oriented Chicago neighbourhood newspaper Hyde Park Kenwood Voices. Canter's partner and the paper's editor was Don Rose, a journalist active in at least two Communist Party fronts.
In one of them the [url=http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:rUEivShCYKMJ:]http://www.archive.org/stream/nationwidedrivea02unit/nationwidedrivea02unit_djvu.txt+arnold+wolf+richard+criley&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz]Alliance to End Repression[/url], Rose worked with Quentin Young, Timuel Black and Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf-all now personal friends and supporters of Barack Obama.
The Alliance to End Repression was set up to abolish the Chicago Red Squad, the police unit charged with monitoring communist and radical organisations.
Unsurprisingly the paper also campaigned against the House Un-American Activities Committee.
According to Max Friedman
The one issue that I have from early 1969 featured several major stories about attempts in Chicago and elsewhere to abolish the above-mentioned internal-security groups as well as the history of the Chicago “Red Squad” from the leftist Columbia Journalism Review of late 1968.
David Canter's late wife Miriam Canter was of similar mind. She was an active fundraiser for a defense committee for prominent medical researcher and secret Communist Party member, Dr Jeremiah Stamler who was also under investigation by HCUA.
The Hyde Park Kenwood Voices folded in 1975. David Canter and Don Rose then began to "mentor" and "educate...politically", a young University of Chicago political science student and Hyde Park Herald reporter named David Axelrod.
The young journalist spent time "hanging around" the Canter household. Don Rose wrote a reference letter for Axelrod that helped him win the internship at the Chicago Tribune which would launch his stellar career.
By the early 1980s David Canter was actively trying to change the Chicago political scene. The Daley era was finally ending and Canter saw an opportunity to move City Hall to the left.
With nine others, Canter approached Democratic Party congressman Harold Washington about standing for the Chicago mayoralty. Canter had known Washington for many years, not surprising as the congressman had ties to Chicago's communists and socialists dating back until the 1940s.
Washington accepted the proposal. His vacant congessional seat was taken up by Charles Hayes, the secret Communist Party member from Canter's old Packinghouse Workers Union.
In October 2004 David Canter's son, Chicago IT consultant Marc Canter, blogged about his father's relationship with Harold Washington;
One day I stumbled downstairs into our kitchen to meet Harold Washington talking to my father. Harold was the Congressman from our district and my father was explaining to him how he could split the white vote and become the first black mayor of the city of Chicago.
My father had been mentoring, encouraging and working with Harold for 15 years by then and it worked. They won the election and Harold became history...
My father encouraged black politicians to get their piece of the pie...
My father never charged for helping anyone out - and it was only until he was 65 did he ever accept a job from anyone he helped. He was one of those idealistic reds.
Indeed David Canter would not initially take a job under Washington, but after his 1987 re-election Canter relented and became deputy commissioner of streets and sanitation.
Marc Canter has also written;
My brother worked for Harold in D.C. when he was still a Congressman and got a job as a lawyer prosecuting crooked cops - when Harold came to power. My father remained in the inner circle and helped out on all sorts of political and community activities.
Don Rose and David Axelrod also worked for Harold Washington. Rose served as an adviser to the mayor, while Axelrod served as a campaign consultant;
From [url=http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:hvvPfkvt5aoJ:]http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070219/hayes+david+axelrod+harold+washington&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz]The Nation February 6th 2007[/url]
Axelrod and Forest Claypool...opened their own consulting shop, handling mostly long-shot candidates until 1987, when Chicago Mayor Harold Washington hired the firm to help with his re-election. Four years earlier, Washington had won a historic victory...As the Tribune's city hall bureau chief, Axelrod had ringside seats. "Nineteen eighty-three, that was a phenomenal election. Harold Washington--extraordinary guy. I mean, he was the most kinetic campaigner and politician that I've ever met. It was inspiring the way the African-American community came alive around the prospect of electing Harold...
Axelrod sees Obama, who was working in Chicago as a community organizer during the Washington years, as a marker of progress, writing the second act of a story that Washington started. "In 1983, after Harold won the primary, he went to the northwest side of Chicago with Walter Mondale. They went to a place called St. Pascal's Catholic Church. And what ensued there was so ugly--the protests--that it became a national story.
Twenty-one years later, when Barack ran for the US Senate in the primary against six very strong candidates, he carried every ward on the northwest side except one, and carried the ward that St. Pascal's is in...That's what he was thinking about on primary night. I was thinking, and I told Barack, that Harold Washington is smiling down on us."
While Harold Washington died shortly after starting his second term, the coalition that elected him endured. The Chicago Communist Party was a key component of this alliance as was the Democratic Socialists of America. By the late 70s Don Rose had become close to the Chicago socialists as had Charles Hayes and Harold Washington himself.
From the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America website
The 1983 Norman Thomas - Eugene V. Debs Dinner was held at the McCormick Inn on Saturday, May 7...Newly elected Mayor Harold Washington was unable to attend at the last minute. Carl Shier, who was to have introduced him, read a message from him instead, and spoke of DSA's considerable role in Washington's election campaign. Congressman Ron Dellums provided the Thomas - Debs address.
The photos below were taken by Syd Harris... A majority of the "grip & grin" shots, interestingly enough, included Charles Hayes, who (regardless of whether he had actually announced at the time of the Dinner) was already running for the Congressional seat left vacant when Harold Washington won the Chicago mayoral election.
David Orr and Charles Hayes at Chicago DSA's 1983 Thomas-Debs Dinner
When longtime Communist Party/DSA associate Carol Moseley Braun ran for US Senate in 1992 the coalition swang into action. While the communists and socialists worked on the ground, Canter, Rose and Axelrod played senior roles in the successful campaign.
Barack Obama ran the the highly successful voter registration drive that secured Moseley Braun's victory.
Marc Canter has told me that David Canter "knew Barack".
While they probably met through the Moseley campaign, the two were also both active in Independent Voters of Illinois.
David Canter had become active in the organisation in the 1940s and remained involved up to his death in 2004.
IVI was set up to campaign for endorsed candidates-especially "progressive" candidates.
The government took an interest in IVI as far back as 1944,
In 1944 the FBI prepared a more extensive intelligence report on an active political group, the Independent Voters of Illinois, apparently because it was the target of Communist "infiltration." The Independent Voters group was reported to have been formed:
"...for the purpose of developing neighborhood political units to help in the re-election of President Roosevelt and the election of progressive congressmen. Apparently, IVI endorsed or aided democrats for the most part, although it was stated to be "independent."
Other prominent IVI activists included Communist Party member Milton Cohen and alleged member Timuel Black (who both later joined Don Rose's Alliance to End Repression) and Trotskyist turned Socialist Party member Saul Mendelson.
Cohen and Mendelson both went on to join Democratic Socialists of America.
When Mendelson died in 1998, Carol Moseley Braun and Barack Obama both spoke at his memorial service.
Both Barack and Michelle Obama were members of IVI and the organisation endorsed Obama during his 2004 US Senate race.
In July 2004 IVI celebrated its 60th anniversary. Members of the event committee included
Timuel Black and Socialist Party veteran Leon Despres, DSA and Progressives for Obama member Wetty Wilhoitte, a whole host of DSA connected activists and politicians, Dick Simpson, Bernice Bild, Barbara Flynn Currie, Bob Mann, Joe Moore, David Orr, Toni Preckwinkle, Sue Purrington, Carol Moseley Braun and of course David Canter and Barack Obama.
That may have been the last time Canter and Obama met-he died the following month.
On the 30th of September 2008 Marc Canter wrote in his blog
My father was an old-time politico in Chicago and one of his old buddies - Don Rose writes a column for a Chicago web site called the ‘Chicago Daily Observer’.
In today’s column he writes that Obama has taken a 50-42 lead in the polls.
I’m saying this in honor of my father who fought for civil rights, against the Vietnam War and would be tickled pink to see what Barack is up to.
I know he’s looking down from wherever he is - and laughing right now.
I'll bet he is.
http://defendourfreedoms.net
That is a very informative post and I appreciate you taking the time to put it together,...It is scary to see the people who have obviously had an impact B.Obama's life. Its like the god**n cold war all over again... What in the hell have the Dems done by electing this guy into Office???
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I beat you to the post, Cobra. Nice to see others watching tha same Glenn Back show.
March to Socialism - Titanic
What happens to a 97 year old national treasure when they break their hip and are confined to a nursing home under Universal Health Care? They go bankrupt. That's exactly what happened to Millvina Dean, the last living survivor of the Titanic. She's gone broke trying to pay for her healthcare. So much for 'universal' health. What makes this story even more ridiculous is that Leonardo Dicaprio and Kate Winslet have stepped up and saved her from socialized healthcare. Hollywood saving people from being killed by Universal Health -- you can't make this stuff up. Transcript
There is so much socialism happening right now, it can be quite the chore to keep track of it all. Now you can be up to date on all the Marxist nightmares popping up around the country with Glenn's brand new March to Socialism CD. You can get your copy today from Amazon.com or Barnes & Noble
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March to Socialism - remember air pollution?
If you are old enough to remember liking disco music, you may also remember the environmental issues of the day such as air pollution. Scientists were telling us in 1970 that by the 80's life expectancy would be 42 and that hundreds of thousands would die from air pollution. Democrats are holding a full three day summit on Cap & Trade -- a giant taxation scheme that does nothing to stop global warming. Maybe Democrats should look at what happened to air pollution --- which has decreased dramatically since the 80's, despite huge increases in population --- before they levy yet another giant tax on Americans. Transcript
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el22526 wrote: Are your arguments opposed to a faith in God?
No. "The Church",as some profess to base their self rightousness upon is a different ball of wax for me though. The last time I heard someone say that "I did it for the Church", there was a big screen plasma tv in the lounge the next day for Sunday afternoon football for the pastor.
I'll not even give the rest of your post consideration at all based on that. You contradict yourself from one forum topic to another, btw. With that, I'll wish you the best of luck on your term paper.
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Lavitikus
I find it curious that you have an ID that to resemble a book in the Holy Bible yet is not spelled the same way. It is reminding me of the warning about beware of wolves in sheeps clothing. And know someone by their fruits. Or in todays terms If it walks like a duck quakes like a duck looks like a duck.... well it must be a duck....
Are your arguments opposed to a faith in God?
I guess that means since I posted something that was already posted it has a very strong interpretation in where the US of A is founded and where it has been heading.
Here are some of quotes about God and the Bible and how this nation was first founded upon the topic of Faith in God. It is interesting that everyone attempts to argue about the meaning of seperation of church and state as being a constitutional issue when in fact the phrase seperation of church and state is not found anywhere in the U.S.Constituion. And even Thomas Jefferson having wrote the letter that had that in it was strongly in favor ensuring that the right for one to exercise their faith was NOT Abridged.. Oddly enough in the comment that I made only solidifies the fact that we are now in the bondage stages of a democracy. And it all come about by the ideology of Theodore Roosevelts own pathway opening the door on socialistic views. Even though it actually started in 1913 were upon the Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by W.W.
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible."
“He was a sincere believer in the Christian faith and a truly devout man.”
{Quote by John Marshall [Revolutionary General, Secretary of State, U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice]}
"To the character of hero and patriot, this good man added that of Christian. Although the greatest man upon earth, he disdained not to humble himself before his God and to trust in the mercies of Christ.”
{Quote by Gunning Bedford, signer of the Constitution}
“The name of American, belongs to you…[and] with slight shades of difference, you have the same religion.”
--George Washington in his Farewell Address to the American people, Paragraph 10; September 17, 1796 | photo of farewell address
“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”
--George Washington in a speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors."
"Is it necessary that any one should [ask], “Did General Washington avow himself to be a believer in Christianity?" As well may we question his patriotism, his heroic devotion to his country. His mottos were, "Deeds, not Words"; and, "For God and my Country." {Quote by Nelly Custis-Lewis, Washington's adopted daughter}
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A Portion of George Washington's personal prayers:
“O Most Glorious God, in Jesus Christ, my merciful and loving Father; I acknowledge and confess my guilt in the weak and imperfect performance of the duties of this day. I have called on Thee for pardon and forgiveness of my sins, but so coldly and carelessly that my prayers are become my sin, and they stand in need of pardon.”
“ I have sinned against heaven and before Thee in thought, word, and deed. I have contemned Thy majesty and holy laws. I have likewise sinned by omitting what I ought to have done and committing what I ought not. I have rebelled against the light, despising Thy mercies and judgment, and broken my vows and promise. I have neglected the better things. My iniquities are multiplied and my sins are very great. I confess them, O Lord, with shame and sorrow, detestation and loathing and desire to be vile in my own eyes as I have rendered myself vile in Thine. I humbly beseech Thee to be merciful to me in the free pardon of my sins for the sake of Thy dear Son and only Savior Jesus Christ who came to call not the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Thou gavest Thy Son to die for me.”
"Make me to know what is acceptable in Thy sight, and therein to delight, open the eyes of my understanding, and help me thoroughly to examine myself concerning my knowledge, faith, and repentance, increase my faith, and direct me to the true object, Jesus Christ the Way, the Truth, and the Life, ..."
[from a 24 page authentic handwritten manuscript book dated April 21-23, 1752
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Lavitakus, we sure are fortunate that you were not around at the founding of this country. With your thinking, we never would have got off the ground. We would have been sipping tea (instead of dumping it) singing, "God save the Queen." Pip pip, old boy.
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el22526 wrote: America was formed as a Republic
It has democratic ideology but it still was based on the form of a Republic.
A professor over 200 years ago by the name of Alexander Tylter stated
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury
And he also went on to say that a democracy usually only lasts 200 years.
There are eight stages of democracy he observed:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
America's socialisd goverenment has for 96 years taken on the roles known from Abundnace to complacency then in the 1950's took on the role to apathy where from that point is seen with socialized healthcare and all the prizes rewarded to big government with agency after angency it took the rolls of dependence to where we all are now in bondage.
Bixby posted this once already a while back. Again,religion seems to dictate the path. I say skip it and the world becomes more managable. You know, less chiefs and more squaws.
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America was formed as a Republic
It has democratic ideology but it still was based on the form of a Republic.
A professor over 200 years ago by the name of Alexander Tylter stated
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury
And he also went on to say that a democracy usually only lasts 200 years.
There are eight stages of democracy he observed:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
America's socialisd goverenment has for 96 years taken on the roles known from Abundnace to complacency then in the 1950's took on the role to apathy where from that point is seen with socialized healthcare and all the prizes rewarded to big government with agency after angency it took the rolls of dependence to where we all are now in bondage.
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Cobra wrote: Mr Lavitakus, you are trying to deflect the issue of the gross similarity among Socialists, communists and Democrats and how closely their agenda is tied together but somehow that doesn't seem to arouse any suspicion in you. Instead you rail against capitalism, albeit there is much to rail against in today's world. It seems odd that the left, who regularly employs the very tactics they falsely accuse the right of doing, is portartying themselves as the victim and people like you rise to the occasion to defend them and join them in attacking the right. Well said, brother Cobra. I noticed the very same thing too. (BTW, check your spelling)
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Lavitakus wrote: My real issue with dead links and paid for propaganda is that it ultimately falls upon our students. I think we all know the special interest big brother gets to decide what gets "taught" in the school books.
It is often called "revisionist" history and more often than not is this version of "history" most desired by the academics of California. Since that state has more students than nearly any other state, with the possible exception of Texas, the majority of publishers are going to use the version chosen where they get the most orders.
In case we have forgotten, the books don't come home, they stay in school.
I don't know how old your children are, or where they attend school, but my daughter's books come home with her and thus I know what she is being taught. As a parent it is your responsibility to know what your child is being taught.
If they need to "learn" or "research", then there is the internet, right? Well this is what they get...Corporate free speech bought and paid for.
The difference between the internet and the public library is the ease of access to more information than what the local public library can provide. I emphasize the word more because first of all the local public library is constricted by a finite amount of space for storage, and so it is left up to a "board" to determine the best use of that physical space. Of course that "board" is comprised of individuals of various backgrounds and beliefs which of course can lead to a more "subjective" selection of resources.
With a knowledge of how to do research, the internet holds an infinite reference source on just about anything one seeks. Of course a basic understanding of the concept of research is first needed.
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Mr Lavitakus, you are trying to deflect the issue of the gross similarity among Socialists, communists and Democrats and how closely their agenda is tied together but somehow that doesn't seem to arouse any suspicion in you. Instead you rail against capitalism, albeit there is much to rail against in today's world. It seems odd that the left, who regularly employs the very tactics they falsely accuse the right of doing, is portartying themselves as the victim and people like you rise to the occasion to defend them and join them in attacking the right.
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Correct. But to assess that the means are not in question here but rather the ends is a farce. In fact, I recall a whole lot of spew a while back when Rush was being defended as well as attacked. The means sure were in question then, right?
My real issue with dead links and paid for propaganda is that it ultimately falls upon our students. I think we all know the special interest big brother gets to decide what gets "taught" in the school books. In case we have forgotten, the books don't come home, they stay in school. If they need to "learn" or "research", then there is the internet, right? Well this is what they get...Corporate free speech bought and paid for.
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What is the meaning and purpose of your immediate post below? I fail to see the relevance to anything we are discussing.
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Online search engine ads are the new battleground for business associations and labor unions in the fight over a heavily lobbied labor bill.
The groups have purchased ads for and against the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) on Google to target members of Congress and the public. Those purchasing the ads include the Service Employees International Union, the Heritage Foundation and the Workforce Fairness Institute.
Searches for several terms associated with the bill — including “card-check” and “EFCA” — result in several ads popping up on web browsers. Groups can target their ads to appear for certain search terms as well as in specific areas across the country, such as a state where a senator is wavering in his or her support for the bill.
Lobbying groups have used the ads to fundraise, gain members and lobby lawmakers. Think tanks on the right and the left have used the ads to put their research and policy analysis in front of more eyeballs in- and outside of Washington.
“I think this closely follows the 2008 election, which saw a growth of online innovative advertising,” said Peter Greenberger, manager of elections and issues advocacy for Google. “People see this not only as a way to gain supporters but also to pressure lawmakers.”
Even though chances for passage in this Congress have dimmed as key senators have announced their opposition, advertising on the issue shows no signs of slowing.
The lobbying battle over EFCA, which would make it much easier for workers to form unions, is just one example of how Google ads have become part of the political process. Other ads pushed for support for former Rep. Hilda Solis’s (D-Calif.) nomination as Labor secretary, or trumpeted candidates in New York’s recent special House election.
Some Google ads still protest President Obama’s stimulus package, which was signed into law in February. Search for a vulnerable senator up for reelection — say, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) or Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) — and an ad appears from the American Issues Project, a conservative group that ran ads against Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign and after the election.
Their ad asks, “$165 Million in bonuses? This senator voted yes — Is this change you can believe in?” It refers to a provision in the stimulus bill designed to cap executive pay for bailed-out companies that still allowed bonuses to be paid out to employees of insurer AIG.
Others target lawmakers in the battle over the card-check bill. For example, the Workforce Fairness Institute, which opposes EFCA, is running an ad demanding that Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) stop the “Employee Forced Choice Act.” It directs users to sign a petition against the bill.
Some think tanks see search engine ads as an economic way to get their message to the public.
Polling by the Drum Major Institute for Public Policy (DMI) of middle-class households in August 2008 revealed that about a third did not follow news coming out of Washington very closely.
“These folks are surprisingly in the dark on what is happening in D.C.,” said Dan Morris, communications director for the group. “The Google ads are just a very easy and cost-effective way of bridging that gap between lawmakers and middle-class Americans.”
DMI, which supports the bill, has run Google ads drawing people to a website showing lawmakers’ support of the bill.
Opponents want to make sure their voices are heard — or seen — by those surfing the Web.
“We wanted to make sure our research was popping up at the top of Google searches with our ad campaign,” said Robert Bluey, director of online strategy for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank that opposes the bill.
When the bill was introduced in early March, Heritage set up ads on Google to draw online users to a special webpage on its own website that had links to their research, blog posts and op-eds on EFCA. Bluey said the “campaign has been one of our most effective based on its click-through rate.”
According to Google Insights, a trend-analysis website set up by the company, the amount of searches spiked when the bill was introduced in March and then slightly again when Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) announced his opposition to the bill.
States with senators who vacillated in their support of EFCA, such as Arkansas, Pennsylvania and Nebraska, see a high rate of searches. But most of the online action is centered in Washington.
While the bill remains alive, expect groups to continue to run online ads for and against it.
“As long as people are still searching for it, we are going to keep the campaign active for it,” Bluey said.
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Lavitakus wrote: Bixby wrote: Lavitakus wrote: Bixby, you are persistent, I'll give you that. To know where you are truly heading with this one, lets make note of how this "deduction" of the issue has already been reduced. In fact, your picking up where Coulter left off in her deduction. Since I know the manner in which the "issue" (from your perspective and Coulters)will be further deduced and reconfigured to here, I'll offer this oldie but a goodie just so you don't bury yourself with your own shovel. In other words, I see what your getting at and it has no weight. Pablum rings a bell.
http://hnn.us/articles/1565.html Ah, my dear Lavitakus. Rather than calling you persistent also, I would rather call you constant. It was not difficult nor was it surprising just which side of the coin you would choose to represent or defend.
What coin? There is nothing to represent or defend unless your talking "think tank". Lavitakus. Rather than defend the actions of the current administration and the past and current actions of the Democratic Party, haven’t you ever asked yourself why does the Communist Party believe it is so important that Democrats win? Members of the congressional Progressive, Black, Hispanic and Asian-Pacific caucuses have actively sought the support of socialists and communists and urged that the party members get involved in the election at every level – including the following ways: "Volunteer to phone bank with your union, neighborhood association or political organization." "Go door to door in your neighborhood or in citywide mobilizations on behalf of candidates you support." "Know and discuss with voters the basic issues. Explain why changing Congress is so crucial to reversing the extremist, right-wing thrust of the Republicans." "Volunteer to be a poll watcher or election judge on Election Day." "'Protect the vote.' Volunteer with groups working to prevent the right wing's 'voter suppression' and 'vote theft' tactics. Know the election laws and be an advocate for people whose right to vote is under attack." "Register your family, neighbors and co-workers to vote and bring them to the polls on Nov. 7." "Help give reminders and rides to get out the vote on Election Day." Now these are mainstream activities that are employed by almost all political parties and organizations and are4 to be commended. The means are not in question here but rather the ends. The major emphasis of the Communist Party campaign for Democrats is the permanent assent of political power and the utter destruction of any conservative dissent.
Just so there could be no mistake about the party's intentions to support a Democratic Party victory, Judith LeBlanc, national vice-chairwoman of the CPUSA, added: "The Democratic Party and its candidates are only as strong politically and economically as the mass movements behind them. The greater participation of the Party and Left, the more effective the movements are, the more likely we can deliver a blow to the Right in any election."
The interest in converting America to a socialist state comes from the various communist countries around the world. You can see this in Obama’s “reaching out” to communist leaders such as Castro in Cuba, Chavez in Venezuela, and Ortega in Panama. During the past election the Democratic Party refused to comment on news items that quoted a variety of Middle East terrorist leaders urging American to vote Democratic. These terrorist sources were quoted as saying that “a Democratic win in November (2008) would prove to them that Americans are tired of capitalist rule.”
The Communist Party USA will not run a candidate for president, will not support progressive third-party bids but will instead throw its support behind the Democratic Party in an all-out effort to defeat Republicans and capitalism. As far back as last April 17, Joelle Fishman, chairwoman of the party's political action committee, wrote in a report to the national board that Communists should not field a candidate of their own in 2004. ''Our presidential campaigns in the past were a great opportunity to project our program, and I'm sure we will find ourselves at that point some time in the future,'' she wrote. ''At this moment, we will convey our program best by working with all out might to build the broadest possible coalitions, fronts and networks that can defeat the undemocratic, imperialistic Bush war machine. This is our responsibility to our own class here and internationally.''
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Bixby wrote: Lavitakus wrote: Bixby, you are persistent, I'll give you that. To know where you are truly heading with this one, lets make note of how this "deduction" of the issue has already been reduced. In fact, your picking up where Coulter left off in her deduction. Since I know the manner in which the "issue" (from your perspective and Coulters)will be further deduced and reconfigured to here, I'll offer this oldie but a goodie just so you don't bury yourself with your own shovel. In other words, I see what your getting at and it has no weight. Pablum rings a bell.
http://hnn.us/articles/1565.html Ah, my dear Lavitakus. Rather than calling you persistent also, I would rather call you constant. It was not difficult nor was it surprising just which side of the coin you would choose to represent or defend.
What coin? There is nothing to represent or defend unless your talking "think tank".
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