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Obama's "hired brain" sez "Tea Parties are unhealthy."
Who is Obama's 'Hired Brain', David Axelrod? Maybe this expert propaganda agent, Axelrod, is afraid the Tea Parties would ruin the Fusion concept, taught to the New Party (defunct newparty.org) when Obama was a New Party member in '96, that launched Obama into the White House.
HatTip to NewZeal Research.
Barack Obama's chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, once worked for a man who was an identified member of the Communist Party USA, a registered agent of the Soviet Union and a paid disseminator of Soviet black propaganda.
This man went on to become a key Chicago political fixer who helped elect communist linked politicians including the late Chicago mayor Harold Washington and former US Senator Carol Moseley Braun.
This man knew Barack Obama and was a key member of an organisation which endorsed Barack Obama in his 2004 US Senate race. Barack and Michelle Obama were active members of this organisation, which was once investigated by the FBI over claims of communist infiltration.
Who was this man? What was his background?
The individual in question was late Chicago lawyer David Simon Canter(1923/2004).
Born in Boston, David Canter was the son of Harry J Canter, an activist with the Industrial Workers of the World who later became secretary of the Boston Communist Party.
While the Communist Party candidate for Massachusetts secretary of state, Canter was arrested for carrying a placard "FULLER—MURDERER OF SACCO AND VANZETTI" " attacking Governor Fuller for the execution of anarchists Sacco and Vanzetti. Harry Canter was tried, convicted and jailed for a year for criminal libel in May 1929.
After his release Canter senior moved his family, including son David to the Soviet Union. The boy must have stayed in the "workers paradise" for some time because according to his obituary in the Chicago Sun-Times of August 30, 2004;
“After his release, Mr. Canter’s father moved the family from Boston to Russia, where the young man developed a love for Russian literature, (Sydney) Bild said.”
By 1946 the family had turned up in Chicago, where Harry Canter worked for many years as Secretary of Chicago Local 16 of the International Typographical Union.
Harry Canter later moved to San Fransisco, where he remained active in leftist causes. David Canter however remained in Chicago.
David Canter was the left's choice for editor of the University of Chicago student newspaper "Maroon" in 1948.
In 1958 David Canter graduated from the John Marshall Law School. He also edited the Packinghouse Workers Union newspaper "Champion" newspaper.
According to communist historian Max Friedman
The Packinghouse Workers Union was a long time CPUSA-influenced, if not controlled union that later merged with the Meatcutters to form the CPUSA-run Amalgamated Meatcutters & Butcherworkmens’ Union, lead by identified CPUSA labor leader Abe Feinglass, who was also a VP of the Soviet-KGB front, the World Peace Council..Some hearings on the Packinghouse Workers were held by the House Committee on Un-American Activities and one revealed that the future Rep. Charles Hayes (D-Ill, Chicago) was a high-ranking member of the CPUSA in the Meatcutters Union along with Feinglass.
By 1960 David Canter had teamed up with well known Chicago Communist Party member and later founder of Veterans for Peace, Leroy Wolins.
The pair owned a company Translation World Publishers, which specialised in publications from and about the Soviet Union. The company soon attracted the attention of the House Un-American Activities Committee, which suspected Canter and Wolins of being conduits for Soviet propaganda.
The committee questioned Canter and Wolins on payments recieved from the Soviet Union
The committee also questioned Canter about his membership of the Communist Party.
The committee went on to find that;
Translation World Publishers was an outlet for the distribution of Soviet
propaganda...this publishing house was subsidized by Soviet funds and was created by known Communists to serve the propaganda interests of the U.S.S.R.
In 1963/64 the Soviet Union actively tried to undermine Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, in favour of Democrat Lyndon Johnson. Goldwater lost the election paving the the way for Johnson's "Great Society".
In their 1989 book "THE KGB AGAINST THE MAIN ENEMY-How the Soviet Intelligence Service Operates against the United States" the US's premier communist researcher Herbert Romerstein and former KGB officer Stanislav Levchenko examined Soviet attempts to blacken Goldwater's name and other Soviet campaigns of the time;
The false charge that Goldwater was a racist was only one of the smear campaigns used against his candidacy by the Soviets and their surrogates. The American Communists covertly covertly assisted in this "active measures" campaign.
A 1963 booklet claimed that Goldwater was conspiring with the John Birch Society to organize a "putsch," or violent insurrection, to take over the United States in 1964. The booklet, Birch Putsch Plans for 1964, contained no address for the publisher, Domino Publications. The author used the not-veryimaginative pseudonym, "John Smith, as told to Stanhope T. McReady." There was nothing to tie this publication to the communists until an ad for the book in the pro-communist National Guardian for April 25, 1963, listed the publisher as "Domino Publications, Suite 900, 22 West Madison Street, Chicago, Ilinois."
This was in fact the address of Translation World Publishers, which was registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act as an agent of the Soviet Union. The co-owners, LeRoy Wolins and David S. Canter, were identifed by the House Committee on Un-American Activities as members of the Communist Party USA.
In 1965 Domino Publications of Chicago published a pamphlet attacking the NATO multilateral nuclear force (MLF). The pamphlet, by David S. Canter, was titled MLF-Force or Farce? It presented the Soviet arguments against the NATO nuclear defense.
By the late 1960s David Canter was publishing a small politically oriented Chicago neighbourhood newspaper Hyde Park Kenwood Voices. Canter's partner and the paper's editor was Don Rose, a journalist active in at least two Communist Party fronts.
In one of them the [url=http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:rUEivShCYKMJ:]http://www.archive.org/stream/nationwidedrivea02unit/nationwidedrivea02unit_djvu.txt+arnold+wolf+richard+criley&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz]Alliance to End Repression[/url], Rose worked with Quentin Young, Timuel Black and Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf-all now personal friends and supporters of Barack Obama.
The Alliance to End Repression was set up to abolish the Chicago Red Squad, the police unit charged with monitoring communist and radical organisations.
Unsurprisingly the paper also campaigned against the House Un-American Activities Committee.
According to Max Friedman
The one issue that I have from early 1969 featured several major stories about attempts in Chicago and elsewhere to abolish the above-mentioned internal-security groups as well as the history of the Chicago “Red Squad” from the leftist Columbia Journalism Review of late 1968.
David Canter's late wife Miriam Canter was of similar mind. She was an active fundraiser for a defense committee for prominent medical researcher and secret Communist Party member, Dr Jeremiah Stamler who was also under investigation by HCUA.
The Hyde Park Kenwood Voices folded in 1975. David Canter and Don Rose then began to "mentor" and "educate...politically", a young University of Chicago political science student and Hyde Park Herald reporter named David Axelrod.
The young journalist spent time "hanging around" the Canter household. Don Rose wrote a reference letter for Axelrod that helped him win the internship at the Chicago Tribune which would launch his stellar career.
By the early 1980s David Canter was actively trying to change the Chicago political scene. The Daley era was finally ending and Canter saw an opportunity to move City Hall to the left.
With nine others, Canter approached Democratic Party congressman Harold Washington about standing for the Chicago mayoralty. Canter had known Washington for many years, not surprising as the congressman had ties to Chicago's communists and socialists dating back until the 1940s.
Washington accepted the proposal. His vacant congessional seat was taken up by Charles Hayes, the secret Communist Party member from Canter's old Packinghouse Workers Union.
In October 2004 David Canter's son, Chicago IT consultant Marc Canter, blogged about his father's relationship with Harold Washington;
One day I stumbled downstairs into our kitchen to meet Harold Washington talking to my father. Harold was the Congressman from our district and my father was explaining to him how he could split the white vote and become the first black mayor of the city of Chicago.
My father had been mentoring, encouraging and working with Harold for 15 years by then and it worked. They won the election and Harold became history...
My father encouraged black politicians to get their piece of the pie...
My father never charged for helping anyone out - and it was only until he was 65 did he ever accept a job from anyone he helped. He was one of those idealistic reds.
Indeed David Canter would not initially take a job under Washington, but after his 1987 re-election Canter relented and became deputy commissioner of streets and sanitation.
Marc Canter has also written;
My brother worked for Harold in D.C. when he was still a Congressman and got a job as a lawyer prosecuting crooked cops - when Harold came to power. My father remained in the inner circle and helped out on all sorts of political and community activities.
Don Rose and David Axelrod also worked for Harold Washington. Rose served as an adviser to the mayor, while Axelrod served as a campaign consultant;
From [url=http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:hvvPfkvt5aoJ:]http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070219/hayes+david+axelrod+harold+washington&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz]The Nation February 6th 2007[/url]
Axelrod and Forest Claypool...opened their own consulting shop, handling mostly long-shot candidates until 1987, when Chicago Mayor Harold Washington hired the firm to help with his re-election. Four years earlier, Washington had won a historic victory...As the Tribune's city hall bureau chief, Axelrod had ringside seats. "Nineteen eighty-three, that was a phenomenal election. Harold Washington--extraordinary guy. I mean, he was the most kinetic campaigner and politician that I've ever met. It was inspiring the way the African-American community came alive around the prospect of electing Harold...
Axelrod sees Obama, who was working in Chicago as a community organizer during the Washington years, as a marker of progress, writing the second act of a story that Washington started. "In 1983, after Harold won the primary, he went to the northwest side of Chicago with Walter Mondale. They went to a place called St. Pascal's Catholic Church. And what ensued there was so ugly--the protests--that it became a national story.
Twenty-one years later, when Barack ran for the US Senate in the primary against six very strong candidates, he carried every ward on the northwest side except one, and carried the ward that St. Pascal's is in...That's what he was thinking about on primary night. I was thinking, and I told Barack, that Harold Washington is smiling down on us."
While Harold Washington died shortly after starting his second term, the coalition that elected him endured. The Chicago Communist Party was a key component of this alliance as was the Democratic Socialists of America. By the late 70s Don Rose had become close to the Chicago socialists as had Charles Hayes and Harold Washington himself.
From the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America website
The 1983 Norman Thomas - Eugene V. Debs Dinner was held at the McCormick Inn on Saturday, May 7...Newly elected Mayor Harold Washington was unable to attend at the last minute. Carl Shier, who was to have introduced him, read a message from him instead, and spoke of DSA's considerable role in Washington's election campaign. Congressman Ron Dellums provided the Thomas - Debs address.
The photos below were taken by Syd Harris... A majority of the "grip & grin" shots, interestingly enough, included Charles Hayes, who (regardless of whether he had actually announced at the time of the Dinner) was already running for the Congressional seat left vacant when Harold Washington won the Chicago mayoral election.
David Orr and Charles Hayes at Chicago DSA's 1983 Thomas-Debs Dinner
When longtime Communist Party/DSA associate Carol Moseley Braun ran for US Senate in 1992 the coalition swang into action. While the communists and socialists worked on the ground, Canter, Rose and Axelrod played senior roles in the successful campaign.
Barack Obama ran the the highly successful voter registration drive that secured Moseley Braun's victory.
Marc Canter has told me that David Canter "knew Barack".
While they probably met through the Moseley campaign, the two were also both active in Independent Voters of Illinois.
David Canter had become active in the organisation in the 1940s and remained involved up to his death in 2004.
IVI was set up to campaign for endorsed candidates-especially "progressive" candidates.
The government took an interest in IVI as far back as 1944,
In 1944 the FBI prepared a more extensive intelligence report on an active political group, the Independent Voters of Illinois, apparently because it was the target of Communist "infiltration." The Independent Voters group was reported to have been formed:
"...for the purpose of developing neighborhood political units to help in the re-election of President Roosevelt and the election of progressive congressmen. Apparently, IVI endorsed or aided democrats for the most part, although it was stated to be "independent."
Other prominent IVI activists included Communist Party member Milton Cohen and alleged member Timuel Black (who both later joined Don Rose's Alliance to End Repression) and Trotskyist turned Socialist Party member Saul Mendelson.
Cohen and Mendelson both went on to join Democratic Socialists of America.
When Mendelson died in 1998, Carol Moseley Braun and Barack Obama both spoke at his memorial service.
Both Barack and Michelle Obama were members of IVI and the organisation endorsed Obama during his 2004 US Senate race.
In July 2004 IVI celebrated its 60th anniversary. Members of the event committee included
Timuel Black and Socialist Party veteran Leon Despres, DSA and Progressives for Obama member Wetty Wilhoitte, a whole host of DSA connected activists and politicians, Dick Simpson, Bernice Bild, Barbara Flynn Currie, Bob Mann, Joe Moore, David Orr, Toni Preckwinkle, Sue Purrington, Carol Moseley Braun and of course David Canter and Barack Obama.
That may have been the last time Canter and Obama met-he died the following month.
On the 30th of September 2008 Marc Canter wrote in his blog
My father was an old-time politico in Chicago and one of his old buddies - Don Rose writes a column for a Chicago web site called the ‘Chicago Daily Observer’.
In today’s column he writes that Obama has taken a 50-42 lead in the polls.
I’m saying this in honor of my father who fought for civil rights, against the Vietnam War and would be tickled pink to see what Barack is up to.
I know he’s looking down from wherever he is - and laughing right now.
I'll bet he is.
http://defendourfreedoms.net
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dover-diva wrote: Lavitakus wrote: Bixby, you are persistent, I'll give you that. To know where you are truly heading with this one, lets make note of how this "deduction" of the issue has already been reduced. In fact, your picking up where Coulter left off in her deduction. Since I know the manner in which the "issue" (from your perspective and Coulters)will be further deduced and reconfigured to here, I'll offer this oldie but a goodie just so you don't bury yourself with your own shovel. In other words, I see what your getting at and it has no weight. Pablum rings a bell.
http://hnn.us/articles/1565.html
Lav. I don't know that the "site" you posted is really a repudiation of Coulter or anyone else.
Repudiation was not my premise, Diva. Venona is very confusing as it is so for one to resurface it would mean that 1) They know what they are talking about which means that they have first hand knowledge or 2) They are spinning it for a single purpose.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 03:58 pm |
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Lavitakus wrote: Bixby, you are persistent, I'll give you that. To know where you are truly heading with this one, lets make note of how this "deduction" of the issue has already been reduced. In fact, your picking up where Coulter left off in her deduction. Since I know the manner in which the "issue" (from your perspective and Coulters)will be further deduced and reconfigured to here, I'll offer this oldie but a goodie just so you don't bury yourself with your own shovel. In other words, I see what your getting at and it has no weight. Pablum rings a bell.
http://hnn.us/articles/1565.html Ah, my dear Lavitakus. Rather than calling you persistent also, I would rather call you constant. It was not difficult nor was it surprising just which side of the coin you would choose to represent or defend.
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Lavitakus wrote: Bixby, you are persistent, I'll give you that. To know where you are truly heading with this one, lets make note of how this "deduction" of the issue has already been reduced. In fact, your picking up where Coulter left off in her deduction. Since I know the manner in which the "issue" (from your perspective and Coulters)will be further deduced and reconfigured to here, I'll offer this oldie but a goodie just so you don't bury yourself with your own shovel. In other words, I see what your getting at and it has no weight. Pablum rings a bell.
http://hnn.us/articles/1565.html
Lav. I don't know that the "site" you posted is really a repudiation of Coulter or anyone else.
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Bixby, you are persistent, I'll give you that. To know where you are truly heading with this one, lets make note of how this "deduction" of the issue has already been reduced. In fact, your picking up where Coulter left off in her deduction. Since I know the manner in which the "issue" (from your perspective and Coulters)will be further deduced and reconfigured to here, I'll offer this oldie but a goodie just so you don't bury yourself with your own shovel. In other words, I see what your getting at and it has no weight. Pablum rings a bell.
http://hnn.us/articles/1565.html
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So, hollowood IS communist. Who would'a thunk.You may be right re:the vindication of McCarthy. I still can distinctly remember the college "history" of the 60's.
45+ years later,the educational system has finited (my word)history into something very different than what really was. Hard to prove, tho since the destruction of multiple sources, (be they book,film,newspapers, micro-fiche, etc. and of course the new and improved rewrites.
Before, anyone jumps all over me with the obvious, (were you there in 1776 or whatever,) I use the same logic as applied to "global warming".
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There may be a deliberate error here. The government site spells "Verona" and it should read "Venona." The link is as I copied it EXACTLY. There is considerable information under Venona, although the NSA site has been changed to exclude some of the more pertinent information. The information now is pretty vague as compared to the information obtained last year. If you can obtain older copies that may be housed in the lesser known libraries that may have it, you may even come to the conclusion that history has vindicated McCarthy. The names that McCarthy cited and the Democrats united to protect were exposed in the translations. There can be no mistake that there was a substantial number of Communists, sympathizers, fellow travelers, and dupes operating within our government and in our political system. Some of them are still alive and some well-known Democrats still defend those who were exposed.
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Bixby wrote: I just recently returned to a project I began a few years ago concerning the late Senator Joseph McCarthy and his relentless pursuit of Communists, Communist sympathizers, "fellow travelers" and Communist dupes in government. As you read along, the far left will attempt to dismiss what I have found and the rest of you, some may know what I am concerned about, some will remain in the dark, and others will deduce the direction of this short missive.
I used to have free access to the National Security Agency's public access area, especially that area concerning the Verona Papers. The Verona Papers or Verona File was (or still is) a former Soviet Union file listing active Soviet Agents operating within the United States, some on government, others in Hollywood, and others in public life. Many of the names were in code and many were not. Information from the Verona translations (from Russian) shows the then KGB's extensive contacts with the American Communist Party (many then and now in the Democratic Party) Many of the espionage activities by members of the American Communist Party (nopw the Communist Party USA or CPUSA) Their activities are reflected in the Verina translation.
So what;s the big whoop? I have listed the links below. If you try to navigate to them you will encounter "error" messages and denied access to some of them. Others you can get to but only be able to obtain cursory information although there is an extensive list of names.
Here's where you liberals will begin to be dismissive and make all kinds of spin. Up until this early January, these messages did not appear. Without explanation, this information is again hidden to public view, at least where it may concern names you may publicly be familiar with. Try the links, get where you can, and I will continue this.
http://nsa.gov:8080/docs/verona.htm ("Verona History Page")
http://www.fbi.gov/foipa/foipa.htm (FBI files)
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/cria/rosenberg/index.html ("The Perlin Papers On-Line") I see what you mean. Is it mere coincidence that these links go error at the same time we have a new administration that would benefit from this information being hidden? The pinkos here would say "mere coincidence."
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I just recently returned to a project I began a few years ago concerning the late Senator Joseph McCarthy and his relentless pursuit of Communists, Communist sympathizers, "fellow travelers" and Communist dupes in government. As you read along, the far left will attempt to dismiss what I have found and the rest of you, some may know what I am concerned about, some will remain in the dark, and others will deduce the direction of this short missive.
I used to have free access to the National Security Agency's public access area, especially that area concerning the Venona Papers. The Venona Papers or Venona File was (or still is) a former Soviet Union file listing active Soviet Agents operating within the United States, some on government, others in Hollywood, and others in public life. Many of the names were in code and many were not. Information from the Verona translations (from Russian) shows the then KGB's extensive contacts with the American Communist Party (many then and now in the Democratic Party) Many of the espionage activities by members of the American Communist Party (now the Communist Party USA or CPUSA) Their activities are reflected in the Venona translation.
So what;s the big whoop? I have listed the links below. If you try to navigate to them you will encounter "error" messages and denied access to some of them. Others you can get to but only be able to obtain cursory information although there is an extensive list of names.
Here's where you liberals will begin to be dismissive and make all kinds of spin. Up until this early January, these messages did not appear. Without explanation, this information is again hidden to public view, at least where it may concern names you may publicly be familiar with. Try the links, get where you can, and I will continue this.
http://nsa.gov:8080/docs/verona.htm ("Verona History Page")
http://www.fbi.gov/foipa/foipa.htm (FBI files)
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/cria/rosenberg/index.html ("The Perlin Papers On-Line")
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Duncan Idaho wrote: Vindicator wrote: The Insyder wrote: Both of these seem to be pretty well on the money. The Republicans have had their share of leftists beginning with the Rockefeller Republicans and who could have forgotten Jacob K. Javitz? Speaking of the left, a former CNN news correspondent, Mauricio Funes, has been elected president in El Salvador. He is a member of the FMLN, essentially the Communist party in El Salvador, and has brought in with him a Communist government. It was a close vote, 51% to 49%. I wonder if ACORN was there to help? "Jubilant, red-clad Funes supporters poured into the streets of San Salvador, whooping, clapping, blowing whistles and waving large party flags. Colorful fireworks shot up into the night sky." Kind of like the Obama extravaganza. And I used to laugh when people referred to CNN as the "Communist News Network." (alternately called the Clinton News Network). Funes calls himself the "Salvadoran Barack Obama." But here is another tidbit of evidence that wherever in this world you travel, the LEFTISTS are always the COMMUNISTS and the SOCIALISTS. How would you think it to be any different here in the USA? It is not any different here. The methods used by the Reds (pinkos, progressives, etc) are from the Marxist manual. Although some things ae modified, it is the basic Marxist philosophy that guides their aim to create some kind of socialist America. I think that there have been many comparisons posted in these forums.
Young Communists Record Pro-Obama Song
The Philadelphia Club of the Young Communist League has recorded a rap number.This particular song, "Will of the People" is a tribute to the movement that has developed around Barack Obama.
"B-A-R-A-C-K O-B-A-M-A that's what the people say..."
Check it out here Duncan. I think that it is necessary to state that the rank and file Democrats are neither socialists or communists. Most are unaware of the meaning of either. This label should be confined to the current leadership of the Democrat party who, by and large, were the leftovers from the "Flower Children" and the "Better-Red_than Dead" crowd of the 60's. A goodly portion of my family are Democrats who are exhibiting growing dis-satisfaction of how things are going and the plans for the near future. Ready to become Republicans? No chance, but they are conservative Democrats whose voice is yet to be heard.
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| On the flip side of socialism, from the repuplican perspective, I hear Huck has a new single too.......
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Vindicator wrote: The Insyder wrote: Both of these seem to be pretty well on the money. The Republicans have had their share of leftists beginning with the Rockefeller Republicans and who could have forgotten Jacob K. Javitz? Speaking of the left, a former CNN news correspondent, Mauricio Funes, has been elected president in El Salvador. He is a member of the FMLN, essentially the Communist party in El Salvador, and has brought in with him a Communist government. It was a close vote, 51% to 49%. I wonder if ACORN was there to help? "Jubilant, red-clad Funes supporters poured into the streets of San Salvador, whooping, clapping, blowing whistles and waving large party flags. Colorful fireworks shot up into the night sky." Kind of like the Obama extravaganza. And I used to laugh when people referred to CNN as the "Communist News Network." (alternately called the Clinton News Network). Funes calls himself the "Salvadoran Barack Obama." But here is another tidbit of evidence that wherever in this world you travel, the LEFTISTS are always the COMMUNISTS and the SOCIALISTS. How would you think it to be any different here in the USA? It is not any different here. The methods used by the Reds (pinkos, progressives, etc) are from the Marxist manual. Although some things ae modified, it is the basic Marxist philosophy that guides their aim to create some kind of socialist America. I think that there have been many comparisons posted in these forums.
Young Communists Record Pro-Obama Song
The Philadelphia Club of the Young Communist League has recorded a rap number.This particular song, "Will of the People" is a tribute to the movement that has developed around Barack Obama.
"B-A-R-A-C-K O-B-A-M-A that's what the people say..."
Check it out here
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The Insyder wrote: Both of these seem to be pretty well on the money. The Republicans have had their share of leftists beginning with the Rockefeller Republicans and who could have forgotten Jacob K. Javitz? Speaking of the left, a former CNN news correspondent, Mauricio Funes, has been elected president in El Salvador. He is a member of the FMLN, essentially the Communist party in El Salvador, and has brought in with him a Communist government. It was a close vote, 51% to 49%. I wonder if ACORN was there to help? "Jubilant, red-clad Funes supporters poured into the streets of San Salvador, whooping, clapping, blowing whistles and waving large party flags. Colorful fireworks shot up into the night sky." Kind of like the Obama extravaganza. And I used to laugh when people referred to CNN as the "Communist News Network." (alternately called the Clinton News Network). Funes calls himself the "Salvadoran Barack Obama." But here is another tidbit of evidence that wherever in this world you travel, the LEFTISTS are always the COMMUNISTS and the SOCIALISTS. How would you think it to be any different here in the USA? It is not any different here. The methods used by the Reds (pinkos, progressives, etc) are from the Marxist manual. Although some things ae modified, it is the basic Marxist philosophy that guides their aim to create some kind of socialist America. I think that there ahave been many comparisons posted in these forums.
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Both of these seem to be pretty well on the money. The Republicans have had their share of leftists beginning with the Rockefeller Republicans and who could have forgotten Jacob K. Javitz? Speaking of the left, a former CNN news correspondent, Mauricio Funes, has been elected president in El Salvador. He is a member of the FMLN, essentially the Communist party in El Salvador, and has brought in with him a Communist government. It was a close vote, 51% to 49%. I wonder if ACORN was there to help? "Jubilant, red-clad Funes supporters poured into the streets of San Salvador, whooping, clapping, blowing whistles and waving large party flags. Colorful fireworks shot up into the night sky." Kind of like the Obama extravaganza. And I used to laugh when people referred to CNN as the "Communist News Network." (alternately called the Clinton News Network). Funes calls himself the "Salvadoran Barack Obama." But here is another tidbit of evidence that wherever in this world you travel, the LEFTISTS are always the COMMUNISTS and the SOCIALISTS. How would you think it to be any different here in the USA?
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Bixby wrote: Mendavor wrote: Rules for Radicals is an excellent book that has produced positive results, Mr. Alinsky being a Communist notwithstanding. If the Republicans applied the methods taught by Mr. Alinsky, maybe they wouldn't be in the predicament they are now in. As you may or may not know, Saul Alinsky is dead and his legacy is being continued by his son David. The Community Organizing Group ACORN is more proof of Mr. ALinsky's genius. Maybe YOU should pay more attention. A PROPHETIC 1944 SPEECH (or was it just a well informed speech)
Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 - December 19, 1968 and some of us are old enough to remember him running for President) was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.
Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech:
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need
to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."
I checked this with Snopes and their long standing comment is that this is "undetermined" as to it's authenticity. However, considering the events and the patterns applied by the Democrats, it would appear to me to be more accurate than otherwise.
Socialism, Republican-Style
by Michael Tennant
by Michael Tenna
Social Security. Republicans may not have started this program, and occasionally they will speak of its insolvency, but they seem to have no real problem with its continuation. The best we get out of them is Bush’s stillborn plan to give those of us forced into Social Security the option of diverting a small portion of the loot stolen from us into various government-approved investments. Given the current state of the stock market, we should be grateful that this plan never got off the ground. Imagine the bailouts to all the individual Social Security "investors" who expected to get ever-increasing returns on their investments! Name the last Republican who spoke of abolishing, rather than "shoring up" or "reforming" Social Security.
Medicare. Not only does the GOP not suggest ridding us of this blatantly socialist takeover of the health care system; but George W. Bush, with the support of many members of his own party, pushed through Medicare prescription drug coverage, the largest new entitlement program in four decades. Again there is talk of "fixing" or "saving" Medicare but none of ending it – all while Republicans try to convince us that they, and they alone, are standing between us and the Democrats’ plans to nationalize health care.
Welfare. Yes, we have welfare "reform," but where is welfare repeal? Add a few mild work requirements to the program, and the GOP is on board.
Faith-Based Initiatives. Getting religious charities on the government dole was another Bush policy that seemed to please much of his base as long as their preferred charities were the ones robbing the rest of us. Sure, it meant that those charities had to water down their messages, but it was worth it to see that "liberal" charities didn’t get their hands in the till. Proof of the socialist nature of these programs is that Obama intends to retain and expand them, in the process forcing charities to distance themselves even further from their religious underpinnings.
Public Education. In 1994 the GOP promised to rid us of the Department of Education. Instead we got Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act, greatly increasing control of the education system from Washington. Every once in a while some Republican will timidly suggest school vouchers or tuition tax credits to allow parents to send their children to the schools of their choice, but in these programs (especially vouchers) lie the same dangers for private elementary and secondary schools that private colleges and universities whose students accept federal money already have experienced. (See my alma mater, Grove City College, for a prime example.) In any event, Republicans seem uninterested in reducing federal control over the education system. For that matter, when was the last time you heard a Republican suggest curtailing or eliminating state control of any level of schooling?
Infrastructure. Where are the Republicans demanding that Uncle Sam get out of the road- and bridge-building business? Where are those demanding even a cutback in such spending? Republican President Dwight Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway System, a fact to which most GOP stalwarts point with pride. Even scarcer is the Republican at the state or local level voicing the opinion that perhaps the government of which he is a part is doing us all a disservice by continuing to maintain socialist infrastructure to the exclusion of all competitors.
Law Enforcement. Republicans are always the first to defend the police, the FBI, and other government agencies whenever any allegations of abuse or wrongdoing are lodged against them. They have shown great eagerness to increase local, state, and federal cops’ powers and immunities, especially if they can use the excuse of fighting wars on drugs or terrorism. They passed the PATRIOT Act with alacrity when the opportunity presented itself; and Bush aggrandized, with his fellow Republicans’ approval, much unconstitutional power to the executive branch, including the ability to imprison people indefinitely on the president’s say-so. They even granted retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that had assisted the Bush administration in violating the Constitution by eavesdropping on Americans’ telephone calls – with the assistance of noted socialist Obama. Give even the slightest hint that you think law enforcement agencies should be curtailed or certain criminal statutes repealed, and Republicans will be the first to denounce you as "soft on crime" or "with the terrorists." And don’t even suggest that private security could do a better job than government "security."
Financial Bailouts. Republicans maintained that the abuses at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have been prevented by better oversight, which the Democrats opposed. They did not say that these abuses could have been prevented by abolishing Fannie and Freddie and various other government loan programs. Bush had, in fact, exacerbated the problem with his now laughably named American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003, which allowed people to obtain mortgages with no down payment and even without mortgage payments for the first two years. Bush, of course, also stumped for and signed into law the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which gave the Secretary of the Treasury $700 billion to hand out at will. Even Obama’s latest outrage on this front, yet another mortgage bailout, "originated with a Republican," writes Ilana Mercer. "Only a week or two back," she explains, "minority whip Sen. Mitch McConnell proposed a similar scheme whereby the government would lower home-loan interest rates and guarantee the loans." One doubts that Republicans would be crying "Socialism!" had McConnell’s plan come up for a vote.
The Military. This undoubtedly is the socialist program most beloved of Republicans. They may be willing to admit that in all other instances government is wasteful, inefficient, and bungling and that it usually fails to solve the problems it sets out to solve while simultaneously creating new ones; but when it comes to the armed forces, suddenly all that skepticism melts away into an infatuation worthy of Romeo and Juliet. Maybe the Pentagon does spend a wee bit too much on screwdrivers and toilet seats, and perhaps even certain actions taken by the boys in uniform (such as Abu Ghraib) have negative effects, but those are aberrations in an otherwise stellar record. Every good Republican knows that the U.S. military always acts in the best interest not just of America but of the entire world. As far as the GOP is concerned, "defense" spending must never be cut, no matter how out of proportion it is to the actual threats our country faces or to the spending of the rest of the world; and one must never, ever criticize the military. To cut the military’s budget or suggest that it might be just as wasteful, inefficient, and bungling as the rest of the government is to "hate the troops" and to "blame America first." One wouldn’t expect private defense to enter these people’s minds, but few Republicans are even willing to consider constraining either the Pentagon’s spending or its adventurism. All other government programs are fair game for cutting and criticism, but the military is sacrosanct.
One could probably make a list ten times as long of all the socialist institutions supported by the very same Republicans who now pose as defenders of capitalism. They are correct that Obama’s plans are socialist in nature, but they fail to see – or conveniently forget – that they, too, are guilty of giving America a huge push down the slope of socialism. While their opposition to the "stimulus" is welcome, it’s a bit like Bugs Moran’s criticizing Al Capone for bumping off his enemies. Unfortunately, we the taxpayers are the ones who were massacred on this St. Valentine’s Day.
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Mendavor wrote: Rules for Radicals is an excellent book that has produced positive results, Mr. Alinsky being a Communist notwithstanding. If the Republicans applied the methods taught by Mr. Alinsky, maybe they wouldn't be in the predicament they are now in. As you may or may not know, Saul Alinsky is dead and his legacy is being continued by his son David. The Community Organizing Group ACORN is more proof of Mr. ALinsky's genius. Maybe YOU should pay more attention. A PROPHETIC 1944 SPEECH (or was it just a well informed speech)
Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 - December 19, 1968 and some of us are old enough to remember him running for President) was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.
Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech:
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need
to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."
I checked this with Snopes and their long standing comment is that this is "undetermined" as to it's authenticity. However, considering the events and the patterns applied by the Democrats, it would appear to me to be more accurate than otherwise.
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Wouldn't the best source be the communists themselves?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,505179,00.html
What is interesting is that when you read it, you see how disjointed and out of left field Beck really is with his questions. Righties, at least admit that when you see the transcript you see that.
You don't have to admit that the leader of the American Communist Party held his own against Beck....I think he did, but the transcript certainly reads different than watching it.
What I see reading it is how Beck keeps trying to throw out "red meat" issues for the mouth breathers. He throws out Barney Frank, nationalization, Karl Marx, and a few other issues that have nothing to do with what he was just talking about...but that is what one gets with Beck.
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Rules for Radicals is an excellent book that has produced positive results, Mr. Alinsky being a Communist notwithstanding. If the Republicans applied the methods taught by Mr. Alinsky, maybe they wouldn't be in the predicament they are now in. As you may or may not know, Saul Alinsky is dead and his legacy is being continued by his son David. The Community Organizing Group ACORN is more proof of Mr. ALinsky's genius. Maybe YOU should pay more attention.
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Instead of ridiculing James Lewis, maybe you should pay more attention. Have you read "Rules for Radicals? One of the methods named in it is to demean and ridicule others who are in opposition to the object point of view. Just like you are doing.
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Jurisprudence wrote: Who the Hard Leftists are
The history of NeoCommunism is well known. It starts with the 68′ers in Europe — les Soixant-huiteurs, named after the 1968 student riots, which served as the major agitprop opportunity.
Radicalized youth were created and went on to careers in poltiics. People such as former German Socialist Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who now literally works for the Russians, bought by the giant oil monopoly Gazprom. German anarchist and Green politician Joschka Fischer actually has now turned against his old comrades. Where have we seen this before?
In the US, of course, the NeoCommunists were the Sixties Radicals who decided to carry on a “Long March through the Institutions.” That means the college faculties, the high schools, the media, Hollywood, and government. Today, major foundations started by Henry Ford and Andrew Carnegie have turned Hard Left. Capitalist money is turned against the very engines of prosperity.
Hillary Clinton’s puppy love for Saul Alinsky, when she was a college student in the Sixties, is symbolic of the way the “new” radicals fell in love with the old, hard-line Communists. Hillary Clinton started her adult life as a millenarian zealot, following the old prophet of radicalism. It’s anybody’s guess what she believes today, but I suspect it’s not the Methodism of her youth. The methods of the Democratic Party today are taken straight out of Saul ALinsky’s playbook, “Rules for Radicals.” If you doubt it, you can buy the book at Amazon.com.
Here’s the link.
Saul Alinsky’s playbook.
Might as well paste the link to Mr. Lewis' rant instead of just "calmly and persuasively" reeling in the idiots by pasting a few specific paragraphs.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/10/the_evidence_for_neocommunism.html
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Who the Hard Leftists are
The history of NeoCommunism is well known. It starts with the 68′ers in Europe — les Soixant-huiteurs, named after the 1968 student riots, which served as the major agitprop opportunity.
Radicalized youth were created and went on to careers in poltiics. People such as former German Socialist Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who now literally works for the Russians, bought by the giant oil monopoly Gazprom. German anarchist and Green politician Joschka Fischer actually has now turned against his old comrades. Where have we seen this before?
In the US, of course, the NeoCommunists were the Sixties Radicals who decided to carry on a “Long March through the Institutions.” That means the college faculties, the high schools, the media, Hollywood, and government. Today, major foundations started by Henry Ford and Andrew Carnegie have turned Hard Left. Capitalist money is turned against the very engines of prosperity.
Hillary Clinton’s puppy love for Saul Alinsky, when she was a college student in the Sixties, is symbolic of the way the “new” radicals fell in love with the old, hard-line Communists. Hillary Clinton started her adult life as a millenarian zealot, following the old prophet of radicalism. It’s anybody’s guess what she believes today, but I suspect it’s not the Methodism of her youth. The methods of the Democratic Party today are taken straight out of Saul ALinsky’s playbook, “Rules for Radicals.” If you doubt it, you can buy the book at Amazon.com.
Here’s the link.
Saul Alinsky’s playbook.
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| Thanks for the "proof" altho I use the term loosely, that the lefties are going the wrong direction. They certainly will deny all the words.
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Communists are loving Obama and the Dems
Glenn Beck reads off commentary that sounds, issue by issue, something like Chairman of the DNC Howard Dean would say. Sounds, in fact, like something any mainstream Democrat would say. The list touts many of the things that President Obama and his team are working on. It wasn't a Democrat, it wasn't a Republican, and it wasn't a foreign leader---so who was it? Transcript
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| Good analogy Fred. I guess you are utilizing your Catholic upbringing. A baby is a "Fruit of the Womb". Last edited on Fri Mar 6th, 2009 07:16 pm by Playing the Game
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Playing the Game wrote: But, but, but, Fred quotes sources and who are we. Why, we are just thinkers.
If only you were...instead of letting others "do your thinking for you"....wasn't that Rush's motto? Does he still use it?
The problem with it is that there isn't any logic our thought to it..or, I shoud say, this makes as much sense...
FRUIT=APPLE=FOOD=STEAK=COW=MILK=BABY
Therefore, all babies are fruits.
At worst, you are intellectually lazy. Argue, if you want, specific issues and specific plans, and even specific motivations, but you must have enough honesty to accept that others may well have a different opinion, based on facts. Your silly syllogism simply sucks, and doesn't work, and is very easily refuted.
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Bixby wrote: Playing the Game wrote: Funny how most of the 10 manifestos of Laviticus were created under Democrat Administrations, starting with the Socialist-in-Chief Woodrow Wison and expanding right through FDR. It appears that Lavitakus is ascribing the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto to the right side of the spectrum, Now that's spin. But nonetheless, there is a compelling factual case to be made that the contemporary radical Left can properly be called “Neo communist, preferring to call themselves Liberals or Progressives” Whatever their preference, they make their home in the Democratic Party, mainly in the Hard Left. The Hard Left is grounded in Marxist vision of creating a “new man” under a system led by a vanguard that knows best what the rest of society needs. And Neo-communists behave in patterns with startling parallels to Old Communist tactics as JP so adequately presented. You foolish people are making redistribution out to be a bad thing. Labels have no meaning here, only actions. Here are some positive aspects. Karl Marx couldn't have said it better: "President Obama's new budget is, well, audacious -- not just because it includes several big, audacious initiatives (universally affordable health care, and a cap-and-trade system for coping with global warming, for starters) but also because it represents the biggest redistribution of income from the wealthy to the middle class and poor this nation has seen in more than 40 years. ... It's about time a presidential budget unequivocally redistributed income from the very rich to the middle class and poor. ... Fairness is at stake but so is the economy as a whole. This Mini Depression is partly the result of a widening gap between what Americans can afford to buy and what Americans, when fully employed, can produce. And that gap is in no small measure due to the widening gap in incomes, since the rich don't devote nearly as large a portion of their incomes to buying things as middle and lower-income people. The rich, after all, already have most of what they want."
(former labor secretary Robert Reich)
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Disgusted wrote: Fred wrote: Disgusted wrote: Well, we've had a month of Obama-nomics. Does anyone have any doubts about the truth of that below?
DEMOCRAT = SOCIALIST = COMMUNIST = TYRANNIST = LIAR = IGNORANT = WHINY BEDWETTER.
(BtW, don't retort that Republicans are bad. The current crop in DC are nothing to write home about, although with the exception of Senators Specter, Snowe, and Collins, they all voted against that 1100 page "Porkulus Bill.")
Yes, I do, but I don't doubt that you have absolutely no clue about economic systems or vocabulary, either.
Fred, truth is that the terms have morphed into meaning the same thing. But, since most textbooks are written and published by folks who lean left, we who still have the ability and courage to use both the brain and good sense that God gave us have to figure it out ourselves. I have, and so have many others.
Huh??? Disgusted, I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff. Good lordy!
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| But, but, but, Fred quotes sources and who are we. Why, we are just thinkers.
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Fred wrote: Disgusted wrote: Well, we've had a month of Obama-nomics. Does anyone have any doubts about the truth of that below?
DEMOCRAT = SOCIALIST = COMMUNIST = TYRANNIST = LIAR = IGNORANT = WHINY BEDWETTER.
(BtW, don't retort that Republicans are bad. The current crop in DC are nothing to write home about, although with the exception of Senators Specter, Snowe, and Collins, they all voted against that 1100 page "Porkulus Bill.")
Yes, I do, but I don't doubt that you have absolutely no clue about economic systems or vocabulary, either.
Fred, truth is that the terms have morphed into meaning the same thing. But, since most textbooks are written and published by folks who lean left, we who still have the ability and courage to use both the brain and good sense that God gave us have to figure it out ourselves. I have, and so have many others.
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Newshound wrote: . Privacy advocates are issuing warnings about a new radio chip plan that ultimately could provide electronic identification for every adult in the U.S. and allow agents to compile attendance lists at anti-government rallies simply by walking through the assembly.
The proposal, which has earned the support of Janet Napolitano, the newly chosen chief of the Department of Homeland Security, would embed radio chips in driver's licenses, or "enhanced driver's licenses."
Read the latest now on WND.com.
Cuzin Zeke decided that he would go real scientific. He had a chip put into one of his'n prize hogs so in case it got thieved, he could have Sheriff Breen find it. Well, it done got stole once. Never did find it, however, Aunt Bea cooked up a ham one Sunday after attendin' preachin' services and a lil ole electronic chip turned up in cuzin Tammy's plate. Now aint that all? SHows to go ya that puttin them chips into things can cause a whole heap o embarrassin.
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Disgusted wrote: Well, we've had a month of Obama-nomics. Does anyone have any doubts about the truth of that below?
DEMOCRAT = SOCIALIST = COMMUNIST = TYRANNIST = LIAR = IGNORANT = WHINY BEDWETTER.
(BtW, don't retort that Republicans are bad. The current crop in DC are nothing to write home about, although with the exception of Senators Specter, Snowe, and Collins, they all voted against that 1100 page "Porkulus Bill.")
Yes, I do, but I don't doubt that you have absolutely no clue about economic systems or vocabulary, either.
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Well, we've had a month of Obama-nomics. Does anyone have any doubts about the truth of that below?
DEMOCRAT = SOCIALIST = COMMUNIST = TYRANNIST = LIAR = IGNORANT = WHINY BEDWETTER.
(BtW, don't retort that Republicans are bad. The current crop in DC are nothing to write home about, although with the exception of Senators Specter, Snowe, and Collins, they all voted against that 1100 page "Porkulus Bill.")
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. Privacy advocates are issuing warnings about a new radio chip plan that ultimately could provide electronic identification for every adult in the U.S. and allow agents to compile attendance lists at anti-government rallies simply by walking through the assembly.
The proposal, which has earned the support of Janet Napolitano, the newly chosen chief of the Department of Homeland Security, would embed radio chips in driver's licenses, or "enhanced driver's licenses."
Read the latest now on WND.com.
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Playing the Game wrote: Funny how most of the 10 manifestos of Laviticus were created under Democrat Administrations, starting with the Socialist-in-Chief Woodrow Wison and expanding right through FDR. It appears that Lavitakus is ascribing the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto to the right side of the spectrum, Now that's spin. But nonetheless, there is a compelling factual case to be made that the contemporary radical Left can properly be called “Neo communist, preferring to call themselves Liberals or Progressives” Whatever their preference, they make their home in the Democratic Party, mainly in the Hard Left. The Hard Left is grounded in Marxist vision of creating a “new man” under a system led by a vanguard that knows best what the rest of society needs. And Neo-communists behave in patterns with startling parallels to Old Communist tactics as JP so adequately presented.
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| Funny how most of the 10 manifestos of Laviticus were created under Democrat Administrations, starting with the Socialist-in-Chief Woodrow Wison and expanding right through FDR.
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Duncan Idaho wrote: If you took some time to examine the stance taken by the Democratic Party on a variety of issues in comparison to the stance taken by the Socialist Party USA you will find a mirror image. The direct link to each individual statement is also provided. Also note the Communist Party USA goals are disturbingly similar to those of the Socialist Party. So Democrat, Socialist, and Communist have the same stance on important issues in America, what is a reasonable person to think?
ABORTION - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes that a struggle against habitual male dominance and patriarchy must go hand in hand with any struggle against capitalism. Therefore, we pledge our opposition to all forms of sexism, and demand equality for women in all aspects of life. We support the rights of all women to birth control information and supplies, and to all reproductive health services -- including abortion.
http://sp-usa.org/statements/20021116-roevwade.html
ANTI-WAR (Iraq) - Socialist Party USA - They cynically expect that you will put your morals aside and let war crimes be committed in your name. They think you're scared and ignorant enough to go along with anti-Arab racism. They think you can be hoodwinked into giving up your Constitutional rights for the illusion of security. Prove them wrong. Join us in resisting the war. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20020921-iraq.html
ANTI-WAR (Afghanistan) - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party USA stands in complete outrage at the actions of the U.S. Government to bomb Kabul and other cities and towns in Afghanistan. This retribution is not and cannot be just. Instead this military aggression will only lead to more violence; endless cycles of retribution and war will again be in all our lives; innocent people will die; and we will be no better than the September 11 hijackers. Never in history has peace been obtained through war. We join socialists, anti-war and peace organizations, labor unions and all others worldwide in declaring our firm and passionate opposition to policies and actions that lead to war. The people of Afghanistan have never been, and will never be, our enemy. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20011007-afghanistan.html
DEATH PENELTY - Socialist Party USA The death penalty is wrong. It is no less wrong, now that convicted terrorist Timothy McVeigh is about to be executed. The Socialist Party USA stands against the death penalty, no matter to whom it is applied. This is not a new position. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20010417-mcveigh.html
MIDDLE EAST (against Israel) - Socialist Party USA The new wave of bloodshed in the Middle East has its starting point in Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands. The Socialist Party calls for the immediate cessation of all aid to Israel, including the sale of military equipment of any kind. U.S. aid has been used by Israel to fashion one of the most powerful military machines in the world. The U.S. government's complicity with the Israeli occupations should end now. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20001022-middleeast.html
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS - Socialist Party USA WHEREAS in the same document our party states clearly that “We defend the rights of immigrants to housing, education, health care, jobs, and civil, legal, and political rights. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20030817-iwfr.html
HEALTH CARE - Socialist Party USA - The Socialist Party stands for socialized medicine-- a health care system based on universal coverage, salaried doctors and health care workers, and revenues derived from a graduated income tax. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html
HOUSING - Socialist Party USA - The Socialist Party recognizes the right of all people to high quality, low cost housing. We call for large scale public investment in the construction of low cost, scattered site, community-based, high-quality housing. We call for rent control for all rental units, and the right of tenants to organize. We support the formation of housing cooperatives and nonprofit land trusts, the adoption of advanced and cost-cutting technology in building, and the rehabilitation and weatherization of existing housing. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html
PUBLIC EDUCATION - Socialist Party USA - The Socialist Party recognizes the right of students of all ages to a free, quality education in a safe and supportive environment, and of all school employees to good wages, benefits, and working conditions. We call for full and equal funding of public education, for free tuition at the post-secondary level, and for an end to all public funding and subsidizing of private schools. We call for fewer students per teacher. We call for vigorous affirmative action programs so that each public institution of higher education reflects the community at large in terms of race/ethnicity, gender, and economic background. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html
ENVIRONMENT - Socialist Party USA - The Socialist Party recognizes that the mechanisms in capitalism that oppress and alienate humans are the same mechanisms that destroy the environment. We support a policy of no clear cutting in commercial forestry, a ban on commercial cutting in old-growth forests, and an environmentally sound timber policy that takes into account the historical ecology of the region. We oppose nuclear power projects and call for the immediate decommissioning of all nuclear power plants, a ban on the export of nuclear technology, and any efforts to use nuclear technology in space. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/environment.html
ANIMAL RIGHTS - Socialist Party USA - We call for the banning of the fur trade. We support greater inclusion and enforcement of the Endangered Species Act. We call for a ban on animal experimentation for product development, and support products that are not tested on animals. We oppose factory-farming practices of over-crowding, drugging, and otherwise cruelly treating animals, practices that are inhumane and that impair the quality of the food thus produced. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/animal-rights.html
LABOR UNIONS - Socialist Party USA - We support efforts to organize all workers, particularly workers in the service industries, enlisted personnel in the Armed Forces, and the difficult to organize (including students, home workers, homeless people, prison inmates, and the unemployed). We support militant, united labor action including secondary strikes and boycotts. We support the right of first-time and part-time workers to full benefits. We call for the repeal of all repressive labor legislation such as the Hatch Act, the Taft-Hartley Act, the Landrum-Griffin Act, and all the so-called "right-to-work" laws. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/labor.html
ECONOMICS - We oppose balancing the federal budget at the expense of funding basic human services. We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits. We call for increased unemployment compensation. We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development. We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and wealthy households at the expense of working people. We support the use of any federal budget surplus on human services rather than tax cuts that will only benefit the rich. (one of my personal favorites). http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/economics.html
COMMUNIST PARTY USA. I’d like to end with some of the stated goals of the Communist Party USA. Once again, the Communist and the Democrats are virtually impossible to tell apart: *Raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour. *No privatization of Social Security. Increase benefits. *Universal health care system. *Restore social safety net. Welfare reform that includes job training, supports and living wages. *Full funding for equal, quality, bi-lingual public education. No vouchers. *Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations. *Strong regulation of financial industry. *Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works program to clean our air, water and land. *Aid to cities and states. Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs. *No to war with Iraq - End military interventions. *Cut military budget and fund human needs. *End racial profiling. *Repeal the death penalty. *Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action. *Repeal USA Patriot Act. *Legalization and protection of immigrant’s rights. http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511/#question29
Thanks - Jaysun
Well, lets just look over to the right while were at it.
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State “income” taxes. We call it “paying your fair share”.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public “law” 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of “terrorists” and those who speak out or write against the “government” (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc…).
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.
6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver’s licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read “controlled or subsidized” rather than “owned”… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two “income” family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920’s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public “law” 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call ‘public’ schools, but are actually “government force-tax-funded schools ”. Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based “Education” . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like “majority rules”, and “pay your fair share”. WHERE are the words “fair share” in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is “fair share” even suggested !! The philosophical concept of “fair share” comes from the Communist maxim, “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism.
Ironically, the one sure fire way to change this corporate socialism and end the abuse of the constitution by corrupt capitalism is to play the race card....go figure.http://www.theusconstitution.org/page_module.php?id=10&mid=10
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| That is because George Soros has hijacked the democratic party for his diabolical schemes-------at one time the democrats were good people---(many of the people still are good, like Fred I’m sure)----so sad the party has changed. Last edited on Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 10:58 pm by Cobra
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Why do democrats support communism and oppose democracy?
The democrats have supported numerous communist regimes around the world for many years; all the while working behind the scenes to weaken free societies. Is Venezuela and Columbia the latest example of this? Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats opposed Bush and free trade with Columbia, a democratically elected government and our biggest ally in the region. Like Hollywood, the democrats express support for FARC; a radical communist terrorist regime that is trying to take out Columbia’s freely elected government. Now it looks as if Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez is aligned with FARC, conspiring with Pelosi and the communist left to bring Columbian democracy to its knees.
“Chavez is particularly interested in expressing gratitude to House Democrats for tax breaks that he says would benefit CITGO, the state-owned oil giant.”
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/p...
Right out of Obama's hometown paper too.
So why DO Democrats support communism?
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| I dunno. I think too many are in a hurry to go nowhere with intricate research of an already existing issue, the whole time missing the point. You have to fix it first.
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Too simplified an explanation, Fred. Cutting and pasting does not invalidate anything. These comparisons are more than cherry picking things. They are too close for comfort. Here is another take on it by author David Horowitz. And yup, its a cutand paste:
Democrats are Communists. Communism is alive and well, says "The End of Time" author David Horowitz. And he should know. The son of Communist parents and a former Communist himself, he has crusaded against the Marxist left on college campuses and written books exposing the influence of the left on America's political culture.
In an exclusive interview with NewsMax.com, Horowitz spoke about his new book and the Marxist domination of today's Democratic party.
In his book, Horowitz writes about his views on life and death, and explains his belief in the destructive nature of Utopia-driven ideologies, noting: "The desire for more than is possible is the cause of greater human misery than any other." He places Communism in that category, and recalls how his father devoted his life in the pursuit of "more than is possible." Horowitz explains how since leaving the party he has devoted his life to fighting Marxism in all its forms, not as a conservative ideologue, but as a seeker after truth and the meaning of life. …
In my book "Unholy Alliance" I laid out what I called the mind of the left and showed the absolute continuity of the critique of capitalism in America between 1940 and 2003. Today's left sees the world pretty much in the same terms as the Stalinists did. What has happened is that it has lost its faith in the working class, so its agenda is entirely negative. They've dropped the dictatorship of the proletariat and they all say they're democrats, but so did Lenin.
The vast bulk of the American left is a Communist left and they've introduced some fascist ideas like "identity politics," which is straight out of Mussolini. They don't talk about the working class, they talk about women and race. There's not much that they've learned from the history of the 20th century
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Oh, Jeez.
You breathe oxygen, Hitler breathed Oxygen....does that make you identical?
This is the laziest form of logic and research you could possibly do (and by "research" I mean your copying and pasting....which, of course, passes for intelect by many here).
I could selectively list and cherry pick characteristics of ANY groups to "prove" they are identical. All it takes is a bit of exageration, a bit of word play, and an audience who doesn't think critically of what gets posted.
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If you took some time to examine the stance taken by the Democratic Party on a variety of issues in comparison to the stance taken by the Socialist Party USA you will find a mirror image. The direct link to each individual statement is also provided. Also note the Communist Party USA goals are disturbingly similar to those of the Socialist Party. So Democrat, Socialist, and Communist have the same stance on important issues in America, what is a reasonable person to think?
ABORTION - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes that a struggle against habitual male dominance and patriarchy must go hand in hand with any struggle against capitalism. Therefore, we pledge our opposition to all forms of sexism, and demand equality for women in all aspects of life. We support the rights of all women to birth control information and supplies, and to all reproductive health services -- including abortion.
http://sp-usa.org/statements/20021116-roevwade.html
ANTI-WAR (Iraq) - Socialist Party USA - They cynically expect that you will put your morals aside and let war crimes be committed in your name. They think you're scared and ignorant enough to go along with anti-Arab racism. They think you can be hoodwinked into giving up your Constitutional rights for the illusion of security. Prove them wrong. Join us in resisting the war. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20020921-iraq.html
ANTI-WAR (Afghanistan) - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party USA stands in complete outrage at the actions of the U.S. Government to bomb Kabul and other cities and towns in Afghanistan. This retribution is not and cannot be just. Instead this military aggression will only lead to more violence; endless cycles of retribution and war will again be in all our lives; innocent people will die; and we will be no better than the September 11 hijackers. Never in history has peace been obtained through war. We join socialists, anti-war and peace organizations, labor unions and all others worldwide in declaring our firm and passionate opposition to policies and actions that lead to war. The people of Afghanistan have never been, and will never be, our enemy. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20011007-afghanistan.html
DEATH PENELTY - Socialist Party USA The death penalty is wrong. It is no less wrong, now that convicted terrorist Timothy McVeigh is about to be executed. The Socialist Party USA stands against the death penalty, no matter to whom it is applied. This is not a new position. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20010417-mcveigh.html
MIDDLE EAST (against Israel) - Socialist Party USA The new wave of bloodshed in the Middle East has its starting point in Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands. The Socialist Party calls for the immediate cessation of all aid to Israel, including the sale of military equipment of any kind. U.S. aid has been used by Israel to fashion one of the most powerful military machines in the world. The U.S. government's complicity with the Israeli occupations should end now. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20001022-middleeast.html
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS - Socialist Party USA WHEREAS in the same document our party states clearly that “We defend the rights of immigrants to housing, education, health care, jobs, and civil, legal, and political rights. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20030817-iwfr.html
HEALTH CARE - Socialist Party USA - The Socialist Party stands for socialized medicine-- a health care system based on universal coverage, salaried doctors and health care workers, and revenues derived from a graduated income tax. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html
HOUSING - Socialist Party USA - The Socialist Party recognizes the right of all people to high quality, low cost housing. We call for large scale public investment in the construction of low cost, scattered site, community-based, high-quality housing. We call for rent control for all rental units, and the right of tenants to organize. We support the formation of housing cooperatives and nonprofit land trusts, the adoption of advanced and cost-cutting technology in building, and the rehabilitation and weatherization of existing housing. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html
PUBLIC EDUCATION - Socialist Party USA - The Socialist Party recognizes the right of students of all ages to a free, quality education in a safe and supportive environment, and of all school employees to good wages, benefits, and working conditions. We call for full and equal funding of public education, for free tuition at the post-secondary level, and for an end to all public funding and subsidizing of private schools. We call for fewer students per teacher. We call for vigorous affirmative action programs so that each public institution of higher education reflects the community at large in terms of race/ethnicity, gender, and economic background. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html
ENVIRONMENT - Socialist Party USA - The Socialist Party recognizes that the mechanisms in capitalism that oppress and alienate humans are the same mechanisms that destroy the environment. We support a policy of no clear cutting in commercial forestry, a ban on commercial cutting in old-growth forests, and an environmentally sound timber policy that takes into account the historical ecology of the region. We oppose nuclear power projects and call for the immediate decommissioning of all nuclear power plants, a ban on the export of nuclear technology, and any efforts to use nuclear technology in space. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/environment.html
ANIMAL RIGHTS - Socialist Party USA - We call for the banning of the fur trade. We support greater inclusion and enforcement of the Endangered Species Act. We call for a ban on animal experimentation for product development, and support products that are not tested on animals. We oppose factory-farming practices of over-crowding, drugging, and otherwise cruelly treating animals, practices that are inhumane and that impair the quality of the food thus produced. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/animal-rights.html
LABOR UNIONS - Socialist Party USA - We support efforts to organize all workers, particularly workers in the service industries, enlisted personnel in the Armed Forces, and the difficult to organize (including students, home workers, homeless people, prison inmates, and the unemployed). We support militant, united labor action including secondary strikes and boycotts. We support the right of first-time and part-time workers to full benefits. We call for the repeal of all repressive labor legislation such as the Hatch Act, the Taft-Hartley Act, the Landrum-Griffin Act, and all the so-called "right-to-work" laws. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/labor.html
ECONOMICS - We oppose balancing the federal budget at the expense of funding basic human services. We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits. We call for increased unemployment compensation. We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development. We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and wealthy households at the expense of working people. We support the use of any federal budget surplus on human services rather than tax cuts that will only benefit the rich. (one of my personal favorites). http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/economics.html
COMMUNIST PARTY USA. I’d like to end with some of the stated goals of the Communist Party USA. Once again, the Communist and the Democrats are virtually impossible to tell apart: *Raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour. *No privatization of Social Security. Increase benefits. *Universal health care system. *Restore social safety net. Welfare reform that includes job training, supports and living wages. *Full funding for equal, quality, bi-lingual public education. No vouchers. *Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations. *Strong regulation of financial industry. *Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works program to clean our air, water and land. *Aid to cities and states. Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs. *No to war with Iraq - End military interventions. *Cut military budget and fund human needs. *End racial profiling. *Repeal the death penalty. *Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action. *Repeal USA Patriot Act. *Legalization and protection of immigrant’s rights. http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511/#question29
Thanks - Jaysun
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