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 Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 11:09 pm
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dover-diva wrote: Hartlyboy wrote: Well, they are hard at it in DC. The Dems almost have it wrapped up. The bill which will increase our electric rates and other energy costs is on floor now -well most of it is. Apparently there are 300 pages missing, but what does that matter? Nobody reads that stuff before voting , anyway. Wonder which way Castle will jump?
I called Castle office yesterday and gave my request.
Cap & Trade bill  
What better time to jam the Cap & Trade bill down our throats than on a Friday afternoon when Americans are not paying attention! Why would they want to do that, instead of bask in the glow of America's approval? Probably, since Americans aren't too keen on passing the biggest tax in America's history during the middle of a global economic crisis.  Transcript 

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Hartlyboy wrote: Well, they are hard at it in DC. The Dems almost have it wrapped up. The bill which will increase our electric rates and other energy costs is on floor now -well most of it is. Apparently there are 300 pages missing, but what does that matter? Nobody reads that stuff before voting , anyway. Wonder which way Castle will jump?
I called Castle office yesterday and gave my request.

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Well, they are hard at it in DC. The Dems almost have it wrapped up. The bill which will increase our electric rates and other energy costs is on floor now -well most of it is. Apparently there are 300 pages missing, but what does that matter? Nobody reads that stuff before voting , anyway. Wonder which way Castle will jump?

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Well, as far as the politicians are concerned, it is Game Over. The House has agreed to go ahead with the cap and tax bill today after buying off some farm state Democrats with promises of not letting the EPA regulate how it impacts farms. We move into a new era of government control over the forces of nature , guided by the shaky science of people whose agenda is suspect at best.

The estimates of how much it will cost each household was 'adjusted' to only a couple hundred a year from the several thousand mentioned earlier. Welcome to our brave new ObamaWorld. The image I have is that king of old telling the waves to stop.....

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Did I not read that NASA has determined that humans have no effect on the climate?  I don't think it was a dream, but it got no attention in the papers I read.  If a celebrity found a glacier melting at a rate they thought was too rapid, it would be all over the front pages.

Could all this climate change stuff be purely political?  The one example that I have researched is diesel fuel.  The government required that the sulphur content be reduced from 1500 ppm to 15ppm at a cost of more than fifty cents per gallon.  I can find no scientific evidence that sulphur is detrimental.  In fact, nature puts tons and tons of this stuff in the atmosphere every day.  There is one volcano that puts out more sulphur than all the trucks in the USA. 

We have to get rid of the professional politicians!     

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Lavitakus wrote: I thought the new thing was that fat people were causing the problem.
Gee Lav, if that were true, then prob 1/2 of this forum would be gone. Last thing I read was it was cow farts. :D

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I thought the new thing was that fat people were causing the problem.

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Hartlyboy wrote: All this is going on while our 'representatives' in Washington are ignoring the statements of 32,000 actual scientists who petitoned them to slow down and understand the science because they don't have it right. Instead , our 'protectors' like Pelosi are rushing to get another law in place that will raise billions of tax dollars and prices on all energy -all in the name of our greater good. I'd much rather take my chances with CO2 than the US Congress.
You know HB, if co2 was soooo dangerous, all those "gas_bags" in the government ought to have gone "toes-up" by now

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All this is going on while our 'representatives' in Washington are ignoring the statements of 32,000 actual scientists who petitoned them to slow down and understand the science because they don't have it right. Instead , our 'protectors' like Pelosi are rushing to get another law in place that will raise billions of tax dollars and prices on all energy -all in the name of our greater good. I'd much rather take my chances with CO2 than the US Congress.

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Oh Yes Newshound. Another "scare" tactic to push thru an adgenda that the WH demands and the TRUE scientists that are backing off the "warming" crap and saying what any sane person knew, that the earth has had these warming and cooling periods many times over the last century.

 The WH and the "greenies" and the people who have vested interests ( those are the important ones) wants eveyone to be sucked into the cap and trade crap. How anybody can believe BO and his band of thieves, with their mafia tactics, is really beyond me.

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White House: Climate change damage happening now

WASHINGTON (AP) - Harmful effects from global warming are already here and worsening, warns the first climate report from Barack Obama's presidency in the strongest language on climate change ever to come out of the White House.

Global warming has already caused more heavy downpours, rising temperature and sea level, rapidly retreating glaciers, longer growing seasons and altered river flow, according to the document released Tuesday by the White House science adviser and other top officials.

"There are in some cases already serious consequences," report co-author Anthony Janetos of the University of Maryland told The Associated Press. "This is not a theoretical thing that will happen 50 years from now. Things are happening now."

The White House document—a climate status report required periodically by Congress—contains no new research. But it focuses and organizes what's been covered in numerous scientific journals and piecemeal federal studies to paint a more cohesive, bigger and darker picture of global warming in the United States.

The "major disruptions" already taking place will only increase as warming continues, the authors wrote. They project the average U.S. temperature could rise by as much as 11 degrees by the end of the century.

"Thresholds will be crossed, leading to large changes in climate and ecosystems," the study said in one of its key findings, adding that it could affect the survival of some species.

For example in the past few decades, winters in parts of the Midwest have warmed by several degrees and the time without frost has grown by a week, according to the report.

"We're already seeing impacts across the nation," said co-author Virginia Burkett, coordinator of global change science at the U.S. Geological Survey. "The evidence is much stronger than it has been."

White House science adviser John Holdren said in a statement that the findings make the case for taking action to slow global warming—both by reducing emissions and adapting to the changes that "are no longer avoidable."

"It tells us why remedial action is needed sooner rather than later," Holdren said.

The report emphasized that water, either too much or too little, will continue to be a major problem in every region of the country.

"Water permeates this document," Burkett said. She said the U.S. Southwest will get drier and hotter and that will be a crucial issue. The nearly 200-page report has chapters examining the effects of global warming in each region, as well as everything from health to transportation problems.

Federal law requires comprehensive reports on global warming's effects every four years. An environmental group sued to force the Bush administration to issue an early draft of this report last summer because one had not been written since 2000. Since that time, the language has become stronger, but mostly because of fresher research, scientists said.

"The emphasis has shifted from just looking at the physical climate science to adapting to change," Burkett said in an interview.

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Bixby wrote: Totally expected, an event that was ignored by the leftist government-run MSM.  On June 2 Washington DC hosted the Third International Conference on Climate Change.  Now why do you think they would miss an opportunity to cash in on this?  Because the conference was attended by the growing number of scientists who disagree with the current assessment on "global warming" which was based entirely on faulty data in computer models.  There were prominant scientists who have renounced their original participation and signing of the UN endorsement such as Craig D. Idso,, Ph.D of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change; Richard S. Lindzen, Ph. D, Alfred P Sloan Professor of Meteorology, MIT; Willie Soon, Ph. D, Chief Science Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute and Astrophysicist Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics; John S. Theon, Ph. D, Program Administrator, NASA's Mission to Planet Earth Office, and lots of others.

Discussed (and ignored by the left) was the attention to new research that contradicts claims that the moderate warming during the 20th Century was primarily a man-made crisis.

C'mon, man.  Did you expect anything different?  If they objectively covered it it would expose the hype and they can't do that. After all, "consensus" settled the "science" of it all. 

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Totally expected, an event that was ignored by the leftist government-run MSM.  On June 2 Washington DC hosted the Third International Conference on Climate Change.  Now why do you think they would miss an opportunity to cash in on this?  Because the conference was attended by the growing number of scientists who disagree with the current assessment on "global warming" which was based entirely on faulty data in computer models.  There were prominant scientists who have renounced their original participation and signing of the UN endorsement such as Craig D. Idso,, Ph.D of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change; Richard S. Lindzen, Ph. D, Alfred P Sloan Professor of Meteorology, MIT; Willie Soon, Ph. D, Chief Science Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute and Astrophysicist Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics; John S. Theon, Ph. D, Program Administrator, NASA's Mission to Planet Earth Office, and lots of others.

Discussed (and ignored by the left) was the attention to new research that contradicts claims that the moderate warming during the 20th Century was primarily a man-made crisis.

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Bixby:

:shock: the wow look was for the report. I cannot believe that . Like you say, a handful of people, compared to the rest of the population, is undermining (no pun intended) the USA. I have written to my senators and congress-people, but the letters that they send me back aren't worth the paper it's printed on.

It's "I understand your concern and I have some concerns mself" but, yada yada yada"-When you look at the whole picture"- yada yada yada, "I will keep your concerns and questions in mind when the issue comes to a vote". BS.

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Animal Radicals and environmentalists in this together???? ? Maybe they should pay 50.00 per gallon of gas so the rest of us will pay 1.00 per gallon

Makes one say: "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???"


The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April ('08) that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since '95) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota ; western South Dakota ; and extreme eastern Montana ....... check THIS out:

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels.. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable. . at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.

'When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.' says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature' s financial analyst.

'This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years.' reports, The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' And it stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada . For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves.... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 41 years straight.

2. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from TWO YEARS AGO!

U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World!
Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006


Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?

They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:

- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
- 18-times as much oil as Iraq
- 21-times as much oil as Kuwait
- 22-times as much oil as Iran
- 500-times as much oil as Yemen
- and it's all right here in the Western United States .

HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy....WHY?

James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.

Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists? Got your attention/ire up yet? Hope so! Now, while you're thinking about it .... and hopefully P.O'd, do this:

3. Pass this along.. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next time you want to complain about gas prices .. because by doing NOTHING, you've forfeited your right to complain.
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Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to every one in your address book.

By the way...this is all true. Check it out at the link below!!!
GOOGLE it or follow this link. It will blow your mind.

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Hartlyboy wrote: Fred wrote:
The climate IS changing, despite every pathetic attempt to drag any supposed minor issue into proof that the entire issue is going away. It ain't; it is going to get worse. 




No one should ever doubt there is climate change. It is happening, has happened and will happen. Did it a million years ago and, unless we get shattered by a big meteor, it will still be changing long after we are fossils.

The real issue is if we puny earthlings are making it change faster or in a direction it wouldn't otherwise go. The Goreon religion has us all culpable of being part of a weapon of mass destruction [CO2] that is doing stuff that can only be made right by  absolution through taxes and carbon credits and geneflection at the Altar of the Idiots in Washington. It has to be compared to the ancient medicine men keeping their natives in line by using an eclipse of the sun to show how all knowing and omnipotent they were.

Well stated HB. Great analogies. :)

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Fred wrote:
The climate IS changing, despite every pathetic attempt to drag any supposed minor issue into proof that the entire issue is going away. It ain't; it is going to get worse. 




No one should ever doubt there is climate change. It is happening, has happened and will happen. Did it a million years ago and, unless we get shattered by a big meteor, it will still be changing long after we are fossils.

The real issue is if we puny earthlings are making it change faster or in a direction it wouldn't otherwise go. The Goreon religion has us all culpable of being part of a weapon of mass destruction [CO2] that is doing stuff that can only be made right by  absolution through taxes and carbon credits and geneflection at the Altar of the Idiots in Washington. It has to be compared to the ancient medicine men keeping their natives in line by using an eclipse of the sun to show how all knowing and omnipotent they were.

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:cool::cool:

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Thank you Al Gore.................

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In a capitalist society, there are always dollars to be made, and if one has had half a brain, they would see that this isn't going away, and that some areas are prime for making money.

The climate IS changing, despite every pathetic attempt to drag any supposed minor issue into proof that the entire issue is going away. It ain't; it is going to get worse. 

We might even get a cool summer this year, or a cool winter.....and I am sure that every single time the temperature is a bit below normal, one of you wits will post the same thing "what about this climate change" bit....and because us liberals are a bit smarter, we know that one or two WARM days ain't proof, either. It is the overall trend, it is shrinking ice caps, it is the overwhelming body of evidence versus a few minor inconsistancies, such as the cooling ocean, that actually prove the exact opposite thing that those who trumpeted thought it did.

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How much of the green movement is about green$$ and power?

http://www.delawarepolitics.net/how-much-of-the-green-movement-is-about-green/

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Newshound wrote: Lavitakus wrote: The Insyder wrote: Inconvenient Segment - fluorescent light bulbs

What does the green movement not want you to know about their products? It's a little tiny side effect some people refer to as death. Those wonderful fluorescent light bulbs that Brian Williams can't stop raving about are hospitalizing those who work in the manufacturing plants that produce the 'eco-friendly' bulbs. Steve Milloy, author of Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Take Control of Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them ,  joined Glenn Beck to talk about the 'green' product that is harming more people than climate change.  Transcript
Despite what Al Gore says, increasing CO2 emissions are not killing more people in fact the exact opposite is happening. Deaths from extreme weather have dropped 95% during this 'deadly,' as Gore says, rise in CO2. Get the full details of this on page 20 in An Inconvenient Book - now out in paperback
You must be infactuated with Beck, you talk about his antics so much. Whats wrong, do you own stock in the "other" bulb?
I don't think it's a matter of owning stock but taking stock at the fact that these CFL bulbs have been hyped to no end and are not as good as the incandescent.  My experience with the CFL's is that they do NOT last as long as the incans.  I too like the Beck program and has nothing to do with an infatuation but the issuing of useful information.  But, as they say, when you have no argument, isolate and demean the messenger.  (Lennin, Alinsky)

Yeah, that was a little brutal. Sorry, Insyder. My house is full of chandelier's so I have to use several small incandescent's. They look better anyway.The Lennin, Alinsky comment reminds me of exaclty the attitude and fear mongering and ill-defined conservatism that Beck promotes within his "mesengers", though. And it is about the market.....

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It is comforting to know there are such folks as the letter writer still out there. It ensures that the Brooklyn Bridge will still have a chance to be sold a few more times.

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Lavitakus wrote: The Insyder wrote: Inconvenient Segment - fluorescent light bulbs

What does the green movement not want you to know about their products? It's a little tiny side effect some people refer to as death. Those wonderful fluorescent light bulbs that Brian Williams can't stop raving about are hospitalizing those who work in the manufacturing plants that produce the 'eco-friendly' bulbs. Steve Milloy, author of Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Take Control of Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them ,  joined Glenn Beck to talk about the 'green' product that is harming more people than climate change.  Transcript
Despite what Al Gore says, increasing CO2 emissions are not killing more people in fact the exact opposite is happening. Deaths from extreme weather have dropped 95% during this 'deadly,' as Gore says, rise in CO2. Get the full details of this on page 20 in An Inconvenient Book - now out in paperback
You must be infactuated with Beck, you talk about his antics so much. Whats wrong, do you own stock in the "other" bulb?
I don't think it's a matter of owning stock but taking stock at the fact that these CFL bulbs have been hyped to no end and are not as good as the incandescent.  My experience with the CFL's is that they do NOT last as long as the incans.  I too like the Beck program and has nothing to do with an infatuation but the issuing of useful information.  But, as they say, when you have no argument, isolate and demean the messenger.  (Lennin, Alinsky)

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The Insyder wrote: Inconvenient Segment - fluorescent light bulbs



What does the green movement not want you to know about their products? It's a little tiny side effect some people refer to as death. Those wonderful fluorescent light bulbs that Brian Williams can't stop raving about are hospitalizing those who work in the manufacturing plants that produce the 'eco-friendly' bulbs. Steve Milloy, author of Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Take Control of Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them ,  joined Glenn Beck to talk about the 'green' product that is harming more people than climate change.  Transcript
Despite what Al Gore says, increasing CO2 emissions are not killing more people in fact the exact opposite is happening. Deaths from extreme weather have dropped 95% during this 'deadly,' as Gore says, rise in CO2. Get the full details of this on page 20 in An Inconvenient Book - now out in paperback



 

You must be infactuated with Beck, you talk about his antics so much. Whats wrong, do you own stock in the "other" bulb?

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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."

 

The new national standards on emissions and fuel efficiency will help to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, lower energy costs for American consumers and reduce climate change causing greenhouse gas emissions.


Although the American auto industry is being dragged into the 21st. century kicking and screaming, these new standards are their savior.


They will go a long way toward ensuring that the next generation of cars can be built right here in the USA.


These new standards are a great first step, but only a first step, in our new president’s effort to address climate change and our energy challenges.


We need our congress to enact comprehensive energy and climate policies that will decrease our dependence on foreign oil, build vibrant markets for renewable energy, and achieve meaningful greenhouse gas reductions. Without such policies, we’ll all be living in a much harsher world.


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Inconvenient Segment - fluorescent light bulbs



What does the green movement not want you to know about their products? It's a little tiny side effect some people refer to as death. Those wonderful fluorescent light bulbs that Brian Williams can't stop raving about are hospitalizing those who work in the manufacturing plants that produce the 'eco-friendly' bulbs. Steve Milloy, author of Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Take Control of Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them ,  joined Glenn Beck to talk about the 'green' product that is harming more people than climate change.  Transcript
Despite what Al Gore says, increasing CO2 emissions are not killing more people in fact the exact opposite is happening. Deaths from extreme weather have dropped 95% during this 'deadly,' as Gore says, rise in CO2. Get the full details of this on page 20 in An Inconvenient Book - now out in paperback


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Obama and the Democrats are planning to jack up energy prices and pass the cost on to all of us. Looking at the fact that our economy is in shambles, the unemployment rate at nearly 9% and our country about to run a record deficit of $1.8 TRILLION for 2009, can we afford an additional $3,100 in higher energy taxes a year? Well, if Obama and his liberal Democrat cohorts get their way, we’ll all be paying an additional $260 a month in energy taxes thanks to the Democrats' outrageous Cap & Trade scheme. That's $260 a month that we all should be allowed to spend, save or invest anyway you see fit.

This tax hike may be coming sooner than you think.

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Lavitakus wrote: Bixby wrote:  However, in the interim, we will be unable to heat or cool our homes or to drive to work or to shop because it would be too expensive to do so.  And even if we were able to shop, the cost of producing those foods will also be so expensive, we will all be unable to afford to eat as well as we are used to.  So is the design of this administration's efforts to also combat obesity by making us conform to Third-World diets?  Sure seems like it.
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Hartlyboy wrote: "that's why we don't see any more Indians"? You got to be kidding. Chief Clark and his relatives own half the beach property in Sussex and the Foxwood 'natives' are rolling in casino dough. They know all about an oil based economy and will be as much hurt by Dear Leader's games as you and I. They have moved on past the 17th century thinking the leaders in Washington are exhibiting.
Well said. Kind of funny those indians. Even the Mohawks in upstate NY within a 1/2 mile radius are doing better than most of the population with their really small and "tacky" (by casino standards) casino. Got state police on each end of the road that goes thru their land monitoring the people who buy gas, cigarettes , play in the casino ------ The climate they live in is a whole lot better than others.

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"that's why we don't see any more Indians"? You got to be kidding. Chief Clark and his relatives own half the beach property in Sussex and the Foxwood 'natives' are rolling in casino dough. They know all about an oil based economy and will be as much hurt by Dear Leader's games as you and I. They have moved on past the 17th century thinking the leaders in Washington are exhibiting.

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Bixby wrote:  However, in the interim, we will be unable to heat or cool our homes or to drive to work or to shop because it would be too expensive to do so.  And even if we were able to shop, the cost of producing those foods will also be so expensive, we will all be unable to afford to eat as well as we are used to.  So is the design of this administration's efforts to also combat obesity by making us conform to Third-World diets?  Sure seems like it.


So thats why we don't see any more Indians. They couldn't feed themselves or heat the tee pee without an oil based economy. I guess they didn't know how to trade.

Driving is a privilege, by the way. The law says so!

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Astute observation, Mr. Morris, and this has been known for years but too often blocked by environmental hype.  After all, unrefined uranium, radioactive in itself, sits in the ground waiting to be discovered and mined.  The plan to put recycled nuclear waste in underground "vaults" is an acceptable answer.  If we did go full nuclear, then those who invested and promoted solar and wind power will lose out.  Both forms of energy are an adjunct at best.  By not opting for nuclear, and forcing high taxes on fossil fuels, then the leftist establishment will have achieved their dream.  The only way to achieve it is by making all other forms of energy too expensive or by blocking its use.  Classic progressiveness.

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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."

 

An opponent of nuclear power recently called radioactive waste, "lethal for thousands of year". This is flat out wrong. The reason is that a radiation source can have a long halflife only if the radiation intensity is low.


Spent nuclear fuel is kept in cooling water a few months to allow high intensity radiation sources with short halflives to spend almost all of their radiation. The remaining radiation sources have long halflives, but at very low intensity. It is easy to block this radiation so that the level that escapes is a very small fraction of the background radiation that you are receiving as you read this. Long term storage of radioactive waste is a political problem, but not a health problem.


Because of extreme environmental overkill, nuclear power plants are much more expensive than they need to be. Despite this fact, nuclear power is a bargain. It provides a steady flow of electricity and has an outstanding safety record.


When this recession is over, the demand for electricity will increase considerably. We’ll need more nuclear power to help prevent electrical blackouts. So, let’s get on with it.


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Green Memo Revealed…by the New York Times?
What’s the problem with global warming?  It’s the name!  Not the shady science, the media scare tactics, and politicians’ exaggerations.  It’s the name!  Read about how the green movement is trying to re-brand global warming to make you start believing in their massive government intervention.  If nothing else, it’s worth reading for their new name for cap-and-trade. Read the full story here

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Toronto takes green to a new level


Massive carbon emitting monsters (a.k.a. large cities) like to make their green loving citizens feel like they are not dumping gargantuan amounts of carbon into the air by sending around recycling trucks to pick up different things. Residents of various cities are buying into this and even brag about how green they are. Oakland residents make New Yorkers jealous because they compost used up coffee grounds, and Toronto wows them all with how they are helping to grow crops with the help of used diapers. Anyone for some bacon?    Transcript

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Green jobs, clean energy, all sounds great and although it is desirable to have, it will be far from less expensive.  The reason that not everyone is jumping on the clean energy bandwagon is that fossil fuels are by far, less expensive.  Solar towers, solqar fields, geo-thermal, are all great, but expensive to build and produce enough energy to make it cost effective.  The Obama administration is very well aware of this.  The only way that they can make "green energy" less costly is to make fossil fuels MORE costly.  That's why cap and trade, "excess" energy penalties, per-mile tax on fuel consumption, straight fuel taxes, are all designed to make the cost of energy so expensive, the only "sensible" alternative is to go the green route.  However, in the interim, we will be unable to heat or cool our homes or to drive to work or to shop because it would be too expensive to do so.  And even if we were able to shop, the cost of producing those foods will also be so expensive, we will all be unable to afford to eat as well as we are used to.  So is the design of this administration's efforts to also combat obesity by making us conform to Third-World diets?  Sure seems like it.

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Yes, Golly Gee, Chris, all this wonderful clean energy is going to create many jobs and save the planet and... Keep waiting for Santa to put that in our stocking.

In the meantime read a little about the real world out there. Like how the Danes who produce 19% of their power from highly subsidized windmills haven't shut down any coal plants and don't plan to unless they can build Nukes like the French. You see, people want power all the time and you need back-up running when the wind flucuates. The Danes are a little PO'd that they haven't saved any carbon load but at least they are realists about the need for energy. Give them credit for stepping out there and maybe we can learn from their experience rather than parroting the latest slogans from the enviros over here.

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I get a laugh at the stats that show Algore's house uses lots more energy than the average home.  I guess it's "do as I say, not as I do".

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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."

 

If we are going to get anywhere in these times of trouble it is imperative that our media outlets keep from spreading misinformation about the benfits of clean energy. Clean energy is a path that America should have taken a long time ago. It will create many new and wonderful jobs in our struggling economy. It will help curb the effects of the last 100 years or so of industrialization and capitalism. New sources of renewable energy will make energy less espensive and our environment more enjoyable. Clean energy is important to our future and we need to make sure that the information in our media is correct and not misleading.


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A partial quote from WND: re: climate hysteria

Whistleblower shows how all the main players – from politicians and scientists to big corporations and the United Nations – benefit from instilling fear into billions of human beings over the unproven theory of man-made global warming. Indeed, just three weeks after the U.N. ratcheted up international fears over global warming, a panel of 18 scientists from 11 countries has now reported to the U.N. that the only thing that can stop catastrophic climate change is a global tax – on greenhouse gas emissions.
That's right. Global problems, real or conjured up, require global governmental solutions. As Whistleblower explains, environmentalism is nothing less than the global elitists' replacement ideology for communism/socialism. With communism largely discredited today – after all, 100-150 million people died at the hands of communist "visionaries" during the last century – elitists who desire to rule other people's lives have gravitated to an even more powerful ideology. More powerful because it seems to trump all other considerations, as it claims the very survival of life on earth is dependent on implementing its agenda.
Thus, while scientists and climatologists who dare to question the rigid orthodoxy of man-made catastrophic global warming are openly ridiculed and threatened with decertification, the movement for global governance, complete with global taxation, is moving into the fast lane.

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Hartlyboy wrote: The by-line on this thread asks "Where is Al Gore?" Well, Al is going to be in DC this morning giving, I'm sure , moving testimony about how we are all going to die if we don't halt this awful global warming he discovered. Unfortunately, the Democrats in Congress who are providing him a public platform before that useless body, have denied an expert from England from testifying to the contrary. Our Congress is in effect giving a second rate politician with a phony gig air time while denying any real debate on the issue. It's all about the taxes they want to extract from all of us, not truth.
You are sooo right. But, why should there be a debate?? After all, these phony balonies and Hollowwood, are just panning for the camera. Betcha, he gets plenty of coverage, too. :)

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The by-line on this thread asks "Where is Al Gore?" Well, Al is going to be in DC this morning giving, I'm sure , moving testimony about how we are all going to die if we don't halt this awful global warming he discovered. Unfortunately, the Democrats in Congress who are providing him a public platform before that useless body, have denied an expert from England from testifying to the contrary. Our Congress is in effect giving a second rate politician with a phony gig air time while denying any real debate on the issue. It's all about the taxes they want to extract from all of us, not truth.

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Yeah, Bixby, I thought this one was particularly well thought out by the same people that can't find there way out of a bag of BS. God !Papers and web sites give credence to these same miscreants, by actually wasting print on this. (But, this was a brit study,yes??):)

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OK, all you chubnicks.  The global warming hypers now claim that fat people can also be blamed for global warming.  You eat too much thereby causing more food to be produced which requires more energy to produce it, transport it, and dispose of the waste thereof, not to mention the excess flatulence produced by you and the cattle you eat.  You also prefer to ride or drive instead of walking so therefore more fossile fuel is expended on your behalf ... to the detriment of the planet.  So how do we suppose that this can be remedied?  Why the nationalized health care that's coming your way.  They can determine, through the medical board that will be a part of it, that your condition is, well, man-made, therefore any medical procedures that come as a result of obesityy (diabetis, arthritis, or any other diet-related illness) will be considered as an "elective" procedure and not "cost effective" to treat, except perhaps at your won expense, if that is allowed.  Great, huh?

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HB you know it's always someone elses' fault, esp. with the "greenies". See, they know how to live off the land, make fire with 2 sticks etc.

Most of these people need to get a job. Dilettantes! Product 60's free love BS. Even tho it is my generation,Most were too busy working, defending our country, doing something. Not these people.

Of course, big oil is to blame. Ask algore and hollowood. While they are sitting on piles (of money) that the average american, supplied them with, it is easy for them to be GREEN. My take is they are YELLOW!!!!

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Well, the EPA is now in the act and have just declared that CO2 and some other gasses are 'enemies of the people and harmful to mankind' and are going to smite them all with rules and regulations and fines and fees. The fresh-faced greenies are all atwitter over this news and hearts will flutter until the bill comes in the mail or at the gas pump. Then it will all be the fault of the 'evil oil companies' or the 'evil power companies' and not the phony crisis rules put out by the current adnministration. 

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It's long on their desire for a global governance/socialist order.

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We are constantly bombarded with news hype and TV ads from the Wildlife Fund that the ice is receding and the polar bears are becoming extinct despite the fact that the polar bear population is the highest it has ever been, so much so that in some areas they are becoming overcrowded.  The Greenies predicted an ice loss so great that "one could sail across the North Pole.  They hype and the ice are still with us and the prediction that 2008 would be the warmest on record, it was far colder than 2007. Fears of a melting permafrost has been deflated by a study conducted by the Unoversity of Alberta (Prof. Duane G Froese - Ancient Pernafrost and a Future, Warmer Arctic - Science, September 19, 2008)  The premafrost is still with us and has had warming and cooling cycles as indicated by a 750,000 year old sample.  The Greenies claim of impending doom, melting ice and premafrost is long on implications but short on evidence.


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