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Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 02:18 am |
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No one seems to understand this.............
Habanero wrote:
Many of the proposals for increased revenue (aka tax increases) are counter productive. Increasing alcohol, tobacco and gross receipts taxes will just decrease sales. In less than 2 weeks federal tobacco taxes are going to increase between 100% (cigarettes) and 2,200% (loose tobacco) adding additional state taxes to that is just to going to cause even further decreases in those sales, which with then result in further decreases in the amount of gross receipt taxes collected. Both gross receipts and sales taxes are often a tax upon a tax, and lest anyone forget, the GRT is a sales tax, albeit a hidden tax.
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jamaicaj wrote: I am a state employee and I am very concerned about the proposed budget to cut state employees pays 8%. Mine is a one income household, so a pay cut, in any amount, is just not acceptable.
I work very hard in my position which is directly effected by the economy and we are getting busier every day. Mine, as with MANY state merit and non-merit positions is 100% Federally Funded. Any pay cut would therefore stay with the Fed Gov't and not benefit the state one cent. Cutting the pay of any merit or non-merit employee whose position with the state is Federally Funded is a zero cash event for the state as there is no expense to begin with. But I’m not writing just about me, or other Federally Funded positions, I am concerned about every state employee. No raises in over two years and now a proposed pay cut and increased health insurance expenses? This proposal is simply unacceptable. It would be completely understandable that no one would get a raise is 2009, making it three years in a row; but to cut pays is really a bad idea.
The Fed Gov't is decreasing the Fed payroll tax rate to give people a few more dollars per week in their pay. Unemployment in some states, including DE has $25.00 extra being paid weekly as a stimulus and stimulus checks will be mailed as well to all tax payers. Now the Fed Gov't recognizes people need more money to spend to "stimulate" the economy; but if the proposed budget goes through and 8% is taken away from all state employees- that will be detrimental to stimulating the economy in this state, and that’s for sure.
The Rainy Day Fund should be broken open and utilized during this time of need. That's what it is for. It is pouring outside, not raining. Someone please give the Governor the weather report.
Agree, the rainy day fund should be utilized. The state of DE is the largest employer in the state and cutting back their salary (10% if you include the health benefits) will have a huge ripple effect on the state's economy.
At the very least make it so state employees surviving at the poverty level aren't cut 10%.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 04:35 pm |
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I am a state employee and I am very concerned about the proposed budget to cut state employees pays 8%. Mine is a one income household, so a pay cut, in any amount, is just not acceptable.
I work very hard in my position which is directly effected by the economy and we are getting busier every day. Mine, as with MANY state merit and non-merit positions is 100% Federally Funded. Any pay cut would therefore stay with the Fed Gov't and not benefit the state one cent. Cutting the pay of any merit or non-merit employee whose position with the state is Federally Funded is a zero cash event for the state as there is no expense to begin with. But I’m not writing just about me, or other Federally Funded positions, I am concerned about every state employee. No raises in over two years and now a proposed pay cut and increased health insurance expenses? This proposal is simply unacceptable. It would be completely understandable that no one would get a raise is 2009, making it three years in a row; but to cut pays is really a bad idea.
The Fed Gov't is decreasing the Fed payroll tax rate to give people a few more dollars per week in their pay. Unemployment in some states, including DE has $25.00 extra being paid weekly as a stimulus and stimulus checks will be mailed as well to all tax payers. Now the Fed Gov't recognizes people need more money to spend to "stimulate" the economy; but if the proposed budget goes through and 8% is taken away from all state employees- that will be detrimental to stimulating the economy in this state, and that’s for sure.
The Rainy Day Fund should be broken open and utilized during this time of need. That's what it is for. It is pouring outside, not raining. Someone please give the Governor the weather report.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 04:34 pm |
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| Lowering tobacco and alcohol sales will lead to lower long term health care costs. Tax cigs and booze! It's a win all around. Last edited on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 04:55 pm by mattami
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 04:12 pm |
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Many of the proposals for increased revenue (aka tax increases) are counter productive. Increasing alcohol, tobacco and gross receipts taxes will just decrease sales. In less than 2 weeks federal tobacco taxes are going to increase between 100% (cigarettes) and 2,200% (loose tobacco) adding additional state taxes to that is just to going to cause even further decreases in those sales, which with then result in further decreases in the amount of gross receipt taxes collected. Both gross receipts and sales taxes are often a tax upon a tax, and lest anyone forget, the GRT is a sales tax, albeit a hidden tax.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 01:36 pm |
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| I agree, create a sales tax and eliminate the State income tax, the Wilmington wage tax - and any other tax.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 07:33 am |
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I've read quite a few responses about the state budget. The state sales tax makes the most sense. It's time. So many people have moved to Delaware from New Jersey and Pennsylvania to live on the cheap they should change the state name to "Newdelpa." Nobody is local anymore. They have slowly driven up the cost of living and now it's time to pay. They won't support our school systems and anything that cuts into their cheap lifestyle.
It's rediculus to cut state employee salaries to appease these people, especially the teachers when there are alternatives such as reducing the size of government and weeding out those positions which are not efficient to help save taxpayer money. Cutting state salaries is only being done to appease the masses and maintain political stability in Dover.
It's also a misuse of state taxpayer dollars to support the the horse industry. If the horse industry can't survive on it's own, then it shouldn't exist. Maybe they should call Obama and see if he can bail them out? Ask any ubiased, native citizen of Delaware and see what they say. It's time to stop this rediculus misuse of taxpayer money and use it to reduce the state budget. What's more important, saving a horse or saving a school teacher? You could take away every track and every stable in Delaware and they would never be missed. This is just a game the big money people like to play. For those of you who say it helps to save agriculture in Delaware, I say hogwash. Agriculture in Delaware is a leaning ship. Thank the people from New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York, and DC for that. Land is disappearing as fast as the people are driving down Rt. 1 from Philadelphia to get here on weekends.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 02:45 am |
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| Most of the programs mentioned here are funded through federal money, i.e. welfare, section 8, medicaid, etc. The state employees are being paid to adminster the federal programs for compliance, then federal employees are getting paid to review the state employees' reports on compliance. It's layers upon layers of government employees reviewing each other's work. Reduce the federal government programs and the cost of state goverment goes down. This stimulus package creates more programs, which get administered at the state level, which increases the cost of the federal and state government to oversee them and make sure the funding is spent correctly with layers of oversight. It's a never ending circle.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 02:25 am |
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As a State Employee, I'm not happy with what transpired yesterday. However, we must all remember that what the Governor PROPOSED must be OK'd by the legislature. They'll be seriously considering the 2010 budget come May and June. Things could be considerably different, good or bad. Or, stauts quo. We shall see.
One does wonder if the proposals would be the same if this were March 2010, not March 2009. The next election is 19 months away, and voter memories are notoriously bad.
Nobody has answered my question: Why hasn't that $2 billion (with a B) rainy day fund been tapped? I have to think that situations such as this is why it was created. Is that AAA Bond Rating that important?
Yes, there are many areas that can be cut. We'd not spend nearly as much if we would develop the backbone to end welfare, food stamps, and Section 8 housing. Such assistance is the function of private charity, which is less likely to aid and abet a person being on the dole forever and a day. And, there's no place in either the federal or state constitutions allowing such largesse from the tax coffers.
I'd still like to abolish Article 10 of the State Constitution and privatize all education, but that would require approval by two consecutive General Assemblies. Not likely, and not a solution that is implementable now.
A state sales tax? OK with me provided that ALL other State of Delaware taxes are repealed. IOW, no state income tax. And it must eventually be made part of the State Constitution, and that includes setting the tax rate.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 02:02 am |
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Anyone who wishes a new tax upon themself is a fool.
taxpayertoo wrote:
I agree with the sales tax but would be careful about taxing businesses. Afterall, we subsidize the pay at the Walmart distribution center. And Walmart is one of the wealthiest companies in the world.
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DE19899 wrote: Fred wrote: Cutting programs would involve laying off employees.
Not necessarily. A lot of programs are contracted out, with state employees monitoring them, other programs are added to the duties of current employees. Eliminating some programs would take a lot of work and stress off employees who are overworked because their responsibilities have doubled due to the hiring freeze.
I don't think that makes sense. While there may be some programs contracted out, I doubt that there is enough to make a difference.
Look....unless you truly believe there is this big ol' pot of money going to "them" ("them", of course ,being defined as any group getting any benefit that you don't get), this is a bad situation and there are no good solutions. Whether it is better to cut employees or to cut their salaries, or whether to cut higher wage guys more than those at the bottom, is strictly a matter of opinion. I can argue that keeping people working at a lower rate rather than adding to the unemployment rolls is better; I see, however, that it hurts, and hurts bad, everybody.
Not a fan of the state sales tax, either. Everybody was screaming for cuts, until those cuts cut close to home....
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 11:12 pm |
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Fred wrote: Cutting programs would involve laying off employees.
Not necessarily. A lot of programs are contracted out, with state employees monitoring them, other programs are added to the duties of current employees. Eliminating some programs would take a lot of work and stress off employees who are overworked because their responsibilities have doubled due to the hiring freeze.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 11:02 pm |
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| I agree with the sales tax but would be careful about taxing businesses. Afterall, we subsidize the pay at the Walmart distribution center. And Walmart is one of the wealthiest companies in the world.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 10:46 pm |
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There are other options:
1. Implement a sales tax
2. Use some of the 2 BILLION dollar "rainy day fund" that allows unrestricted use in dire times
3. Raise everybody's income tax across the board (e.g. duPont, Tilcon, the hospitals, everybody)...not just penalize state employees
A lot of viable suggestions have been put forth in this forum. I would encourage everyone to contact their respective Senator and Representative to express their opinions. To that end I've provided the following contact information links:
http://legis.delaware.gov/legislature.nsf/sen?openview&nav=senate
http://legis.delaware.gov/legislature.nsf/Reps?openview&Count=75&nav=house
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 10:34 pm |
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| I don't think long time employees should take a cut - you lay off the most recent hired and rehire them when jobs become available through attrition.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 10:33 pm |
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| time for a sales tax - eliminate state income tax. We have become a tourist state - they use our roads, are protected by our public safety and enjoy our beaches. They shop - make the sales tax lower than surrounding states but high enough to pay our State's operating costs.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 10:28 pm |
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Cutting programs would involve laying off employees. There is this belief, I think, that there is this magic world where there are state employees just sitting around, drinking coffee and handing out checks to whomever wanders in.
I don't like the cutting of salaries, but I tend to think it is better than laying off workers. Cutting salaries should be across the board, as CR has stated. I am guessing that there are other reasons why it can't be done legislatively (ie, the judicial branch, I think, sets their own budgets and salaries from what they get).
There seems to be a move afoot to make the cuts NOT equal, meaning those who make more would see a greater cut. Any preference to this, if it means saving the same amount of money?
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 09:01 pm |
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| The Governor needs to look within to cut costs. It is unjustified and unfair to balance a budget on the backs of your employees. and the public. Programs need to be eliminated where possible and cut everywhere else.
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| http://www.wboc.com/global/story.asp?s=10037691
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 04:53 pm |
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| MARKELLS' PLAN: To make Delaware a "destination gaming place like Las Vegas & Atlantic City." From the News Journal (today). Yes sir, that's just what the Dr. ordered. Crime, addiction, decreased property value, busloads of tourons (like we don't already have enough of these in Southern De). Aren't you all pleased with this "out of the box" prescription?????
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 04:35 pm |
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| Markell is another Minner the only pay cut he took was the raise that was going in to affect for the new governor so no pay cut for MARKELL he is a cheat like the rest of the government
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 04:21 pm |
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Dear Governor Markell - I have been employed by the State of Delaware for approximately 5 years. With the proposed cuts in your plan that was introduced yesterday, I will actually make less than I did when I was hired in 2004.
I believe we all have to bear some responsibility in this State to balance the budget. It begins with you. Why is the Legislative, Judicial and Executive Branch exempt from the pay cut? Why, when the rank and file have been denied pay increases for almost 3 years, were these 3 branches given rather lavish increases? Why is the State operating Golf Courses in this time of need?
I will do my part when the Elected and Appointed members of State Government do the same.
I supported you in your campaign because I thought you would bring change to State Government. I am afraid that you will soon have something in common with "One-Term" Sherm, and it won't be having Ruth Ann for a Secretary.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 03:57 pm |
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Sick out planned by state workers on April 1 2009
Cause Markell's budget cuts must be a joke !
Instead of cutting lower staff income , why not cut none working program budgets , no working employees that hold six figures jobs.
Move out of some of the high rent building, turn off lights.
Cut out uses of state cars for pleasure trips
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well, i get what you are saying, but it doesn't quite work out that way. if 10 people living in the same household give up 10% of their earnings, that would be 100%. but everyone doesn't loose 100%. however, the money added up from those 10 folks would equal 100%. so in effect, 1 person could be considered as losing 100% of their wages.
1 employee = $500 per week
10% is $50.
10 employees = $5000 per week
10% is $500, which equals 1 persons pay. but it still only equals 10% of the total.
is this pay cut supposed to be permanent? or is it just for this year, or the next few, or what?
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 03:25 pm |
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I guess it is pretty complicated....must be the new math. I'll explain it better for you...
1 employee = 10% paycut of take home pay
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1 employee = 10% paycut of take home pay
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EQUALS 20% paycut of take home pay between the two
If both members of a household are state employees( that means that there are two state employees in the home) that equals a 20% paycut in total household income because two members of the household are losing 10% each (10% x 2= 20%)
hope this helps...I'm guessing you're thinking that 10 % is 10% regardless...however, the effects of the paycut are are additive in summation not linear
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 03:20 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
State workers blast governor’s plan
By Leah Burcat
Delaware State News
DOVER — State employees were reeling Thursday after Gov. Jack A. Markell proposed a plan to cut pay across the board by 8 percent and to reduce the state share of health care premiums, essentially reducing the take-home pay of these employees by 10 percent.
The proposal has now been sent to the General Assembly for revision. A balanced budget must be approved by the end of the fiscal year on June 30.
"They hit me on salary and health care," said Michael A. Begatto, executive director of the Delaware branch of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME). "I feel like I’m in a ring in the 10th round with my hands tied behind my back."
State employees said they believed they were unfairly targeted to bear the brunt of the problem, that the equal percentage did not actually result in equity and that furloughs should have been utilized before resorting to a pay cut.
"I know this is very tough for state employees," said Ann Visalli, the state budget director. "We did everything we could to avoid layoffs."
Mr. Begatto did not agree.
He and other AFSCME members staged a rally outside Legislative Hall during the gloomy weather, which they fittingly named "It’s Raining — Use our Rainy Day Fund." There are unrestricted reserves, such as the rainy day fund, that state lawmakers could use to cover the budget deficit, he said.
The plan suggested by Gov. Markell did not represent shared sacrifice, Mr. Begatto said.
"We have people who are working for the state, who are the working poor. This is a major blow to them," he said. "Cutting the salary of someone who makes $17,000 a year, pay grade one, would hurt them much more dramatically than others. This is not equal."
The statement was reiterated by many state employees.
"Most of us (state employees) are living paycheck to paycheck," said Jim Kwasnieski, of Dover, president of the local AFSCME chapter and a DelDOT employee. "There are state employees on the lower end of the pay scale. It’s going to hit them hard."
Gov. Markell said he thought the proposal was fair. One of the guiding principles in devising the plan was that "no one person or group will bear a disproportionate burden from this challenge alone," he said.
Gov. Markell took a 10-percent pay cut when he took office in January. He has not yet said whether he will reduce his pay more with all other state employees on July 1 if his proposal is to go through as suggested.
Mr. Begatto was not alone in his feelings.
"Look, we realize we’re facing some really tough challenges and a very deep hole," said House Minority Leader Rep. Richard Cathcart, R-Middletown. "Having said that, some of these proposals worry me. For instance, I think the salary cut of state employees is too large. If we do make a cut, I’d like to see it weighed according to salary, reducing the impact on low-wage earners."
State employees, especially teachers, have been asked to do more and more, with fewer resources, time and time again, said Diane Donohue, president of the Delaware State Education Association. Gov. Markell’s proposal seemed like too much, she said.
"Every education initiative asks for our educators to do more and be held more accountable. Now, educators are being asked to do that with an 8-percent cut," said Diane Donohue, president of the Delaware State Education Association.
Ms. Donohue said she was most concerned about married couples who are both employed by the state. Those households will see an income decrease of about 10 percent.
Some state employees also questioned why the governor proposed pay cuts instead of furlough days.
According to the governor’s staff, though, instituting furloughs would not have generated enough money.
Furloughs would mean that the employees would have a certain amount of days off and not get paid. Gov. Markell’s proposal suggests that they work for less compensation.
"This is probably the worst time to cut employees’ salaries, but it’s something we have to consider at this stage," said House Majority Leader Rep. Peter C. Schwartzkopf, D-Rehoboth Beach. "This proposal impacts all of us at some level — my wife is a state employee and, as a legislator, so am I, so my household would be doubly affected if this proposed temporary salary cut goes through.
"Any decisions we make will be made with careful consideration of how each decision affects Delaware families."
Staff writer Leah Burcat can be reached at 741-8250 or lburcat@newszap.com.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 03:11 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
How the governor intends to close $750M budget gap
Highlights of plan announced Thursday:
New Cost Savings
$130.8 million from replacing state Medicaid expenditures with enhanced federal Medicaid funds from the federal stimulus package.
$91.7 million from an 8-percent pay cut for state employees.
$11.2 million from using federal stimulus money to pay for reading and math specialists in public schools.
$10.3 million from suspending salary step increases.
$9 million from limiting property tax rebates for senior citizens to those under a certain income threshold.
$7.7 million from cutting professional development days for teachers from six days to three days, using the other three days as unpaid time off.
$7.5 million from reducing spending for contractors, consultants and employment services by 10 percent.
$3.7 million from eliminating double state share health insurance benefits to couples who are state employees.
$3.5 million from eliminating vacant positions and reducing the use of casual and seasonal employees.
New Revenues
$97.4 million from increasing the maximum corporate franchise tax from $165,000 to $185,000, and increasing the formula multiplier for other franchise tax payers from $250 per $1 million of par stock value to $350 per $1 million.
$40 million from increasing the state share of slot machine revenue by 8 percentage points.
$55 million from reauthorizing a sports betting lottery.
$30 million from increasing the personal income tax rate on income above $60,000 from 5.95 percent to 6.95 percent.
$16 million from increasing the state cigarette tax from $1.15 to $1.60 per pack.
$7 million from increasing the gross receipts tax on businesses.
$3.5 million from increasing the tax on alcoholic beverages by 50 percent.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:59 pm |
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rehsinde wrote: INSTEAD, he has chosen to enact a 10% paycut (20% if both family members are state employees) across the board to generate revenue.
You should run for congress -- or become the CEO at a bank, lending institution, or insurance conglomerate. That funny arithmetic is destined to take you to high places.Last edited on Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:59 pm by Two Cents
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:40 pm |
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Governor Markell has chosen to ignore literally thousands of fiscally responsive suggestions to balancing the budget (e.g. consolidation of state services into state-owned facilities instead of paying rent money, consolidating state-provided services located among multiple facilities such as DHCI, E. Bissell, and Gov. Bacon in order to eliminate both operational and building maintenace costs at TWO facilities that are currently underutilized, etc.)
INSTEAD, he has chosen to enact a 10% paycut (20% if both family members are state employees) across the board to generate revenue. I fail to see how eliminating disposable income generates income nor do I understand cutting pay of employees that have not had a raise in years (note that a 10% paycut will set salaries back approx. 10 years if not more) and are currently underpaid in comparison to private and corporate sectors.
Gov. Markell needs to revisit the budget with his advisors and come up with or acknowledge provided recommendations that are fiscally responsible and display a sense of obligation to those that provide services within the state at payrates that others in the private and corporate sectors would not even consider accepting!
Finally, the "fall-out" from just proposing the paycuts will result in increased attrition, retirement, and poor work attitudes as those capable of leaving state employment do so...this will result in further service declines in the state just when those services are needed most...WAY TO GO GOV. MARKELL!
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:36 pm |
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Maybe the state will slow down the practice of snatching children from their parents and putting them on mind changing drugs !
Less money from the feds for this.
Less money for giving into children who just need a swift kick in the butt.
This alone could stop some of those bleeding hearts who think all you have to do is drug a kid , which causes more crime.
The trickling effect could only be more hard working honest people, less crime more common sense and better morals.
Oh d**n forgot this would take money from those big wigs in the Drug Companies who use them for Ginni pigs and in turn will have some doctors out of cash.
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| The only store that I found is walmart
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| No I am not but I do know people working for the state with a 6 figuar pay check and I also thing MARKELL should take the same paycut and all county workers
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 01:36 pm |
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| I too want to know if the Governor and the legislators will all pay their FAIR SHARE as well in a 10-20% pay cut or, as usual, will they just spout a lot of retoric. Do they also realize that they are cutting out 10-20% of consumer spending here as well and what that will do to our already hurting economy when we don't have that money to spend anymore on not luxuries but just a few amenities that might keep others in a job?
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 01:13 pm |
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| http://delawarelibertarian.blogspot.com/2009/03/just-thought-about-governor-markells.html
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 01:12 pm |
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Hartlyboy wrote: It's sly to say the income tax will 'only increase 1%'. When you change the rate by 1% to 6.95%, haven't you actually increased the rate by 16-17%?
Instead of increasing the tax on alcohol, they should increase the deposits on cans and bottles to 25 cents a piece. Then , if the slobs want to throw them out the window when they are empty , at least we can afford our new tax increases by collecting trash.. I'm betting the old habits die hard and the cans and bottles will still be thrown out. The state can claim the unclaimed deposits after 90 days just like an escheat recovery and help their income that way. Now the bottlers are getting away with not having to pay the deposits back or give the money back.
HB -- your math is correct -- 17% increase. Another thing concerning your deposit on bottles. If you will look at the next bottle of Pepsi that you buy, it will tell you that you are paying a 5 cent deposit on that bottle. Why is the law not enforced that would require a retailer to refund the 5 cents to somebody who returns the bottle? This law goes back to the 1980's, but I have never seen any store that would accept returned plastic bottles.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 10:48 am |
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Way to go Mr. Markell!! Like Ruth Ann Minner and the rest of the democrats state and federal. Raise taxes and we stop spending because we can no longer afford products and services we enjoyed before!! Ruth Ann did me a favor when she raised taxes on cigarettes. I quit smoking!!! Now the store I used to buy the nasty things from is wondering where their best customer went. Thanks Ruth Ann!! That was the only good thing you did in office. Looks like Mr. Markell is going to help more people quit. I hope you all do. It is well worth it. I have more money to put in the bank (er more secure location, not the bank) to save up for hard times to com when inflation hits us hard in the near future because the feds just printed up 3 trillion dollars on march 18, to cover the huge dept that was put upon us. Oh you did not hear about that?? Look it up!!!
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 07:44 am |
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| That may be well and good Old Smyrna, but this is devastating to a lot of State workers, particularly those nearing retirement age who don't have those good jobs at the top. Let me tell you what it means. It cuts people back to what they were making 10 years ago. That's half a career. Add to all of this the increase in medical coverage and the drop in Social Security they'll experience because of lost wages, and it's a very, very drastic cut. Not all State workers make a bundle, as a lot of people think. Thank goodness they still have a job, but I know a lot of people, nearing retirement age, who will now have to work til they're 70 and hope they can make up what the government (State and Federal) has poured down the drain using their taxes. Remember, these government workers, most of who don't make a great salary, pay the same property taxes, gas taxes and income taxes everyone else does. They pay the same for gasoline, heating oil, propane and utilities as everyone else. Their food costs the same. Their clothes cost the same and they pay just as much to do everything as the rest of the population does. Knocking someone back a decade in progress and kicking them to boot is inexcusable. I don't know about you, but I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. I'll work to throw out every single incumbent legislator and, as for Markell, just call him "one term Sherm".
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 04:49 am |
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| If you get a check (or a pay "advice") and it has State of Delaware on it, every reduction should be the same regardless of your job. Same for welfare checks, add them into the 8% cut too. Want to be fair, make it an across the board cutback. And the idea of giving lower paid state employees less of a cutback than the upper pays stinks. You take the job at what it pays and work your way up from there, no special treatment for the lower pay grades.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 04:25 am |
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It's sly to say the income tax will 'only increase 1%'. When you change the rate by 1% to 6.95%, haven't you actually increased the rate by 16-17%?
Instead of increasing the tax on alcohol, they should increase the deposits on cans and bottles to 25 cents a piece. Then , if the slobs want to throw them out the window when they are empty , at least we can afford our new tax increases by collecting trash.. I'm betting the old habits die hard and the cans and bottles will still be thrown out. The state can claim the unclaimed deposits after 90 days just like an escheat recovery and help their income that way. Now the bottlers are getting away with not having to pay the deposits back or give the money back.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 03:13 am |
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10sne1 wrote: I'm curious about something. If any of you know the answer please post. When Gov. Markell announced a proposed 8% pay cut for all state employees, I assume that the definition of "all" includes the following:
- Himself (and his cabinet and administration)
- State Senators and Representatives and their staff
- Judges and the State Police
- Teachers and all other public school employees
So, does anyone know? If it doesn't include all of the above, then his words "sharing the sacrifice" ring hollow.
Hope it does, with the caveat that the Governor, Lt. Governor, and all General Assemby members serve at $1.00 per year, with no pension contributions, until we're again operating at a surplus, and state emploees get their benefits restored and a decent pay raise as well. The big shots are independently wealthy - you have to be to run for public office these days - and can afford being stripped of their compensation.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 03:00 am |
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I'm curious about something. If any of you know the answer please post. When Gov. Markell announced a proposed 8% pay cut for all state employees, I assume that the definition of "all" includes the following:
- Himself (and his cabinet and administration)
- State Senators and Representatives and their staff
- Judges and the State Police
- Teachers and all other public school employees
So, does anyone know? If it doesn't include all of the above, then his words "sharing the sacrifice" ring hollow.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 03:00 am |
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HEY! Where's that rainy day fund? I understand there's over $2 billion (with a b, in memory of Paul Harvey) in it. That can cover the current problems, but all levels of government must return to acting only on matters authorized by their constitutions and charters. Anything outside it is for us, the folks on the street, to deal with as we see fit, as long as we don't infringe on the rights of others.
A government big enough to solve all our problems is also big enough to take all we have.
DEMOCRAT = SECULAR PROGRESSIVE = SOCIALIST = COMMUNIST = TYRANNIST = LIAR = IGNORANT = WHINY BEDWETTER.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:40 am |
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:37 am |
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| You must be a state worker
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:31 am |
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out of work wrote: And when was the last time anyone from the state was laid off and they have just about everything paid for. I am out of work and because of MARKELL I guess the only people that will be working are the state people
I don't know that everything is paid for state employees...they still contribute to their medical benefits and such. Plus if you compare salaries in the private sector to what comparable positions pay in the state, you'll note that state employees make much less than their private sector counterparts, not to mention what surrounding state workers are paid. I agree that the state is heavy with employees but they greatly supplement the local economy and a pay slash that deep will undoubtedly have a trickle down effect in a negative manner.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 01:53 am |
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| All of this may be true but the federal government has already increased the taxes on cigarettes. Why doesn't he give back part of his pay. Why doesn't the whole lot in the government give back part of their pay then we wouldn't have to raise anything everytime they need money they hit the little people not the government employees. I think the government is just a bunch of cheaters. The tax on gas is for the roads but they use it for eveything but that
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 01:49 am |
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taxpayertoo wrote: taxing cigarettes, corporate taxes, gross receipts, public utilities taxes - !!
What about putting a freeze on the utilities, rents, prices of goods etc. if you plan to cut employees salaries by 8%? Governor, do you want your employees to be bankrupt, in foreclosure, sick with stress - what are you thinking??? Do what real businesses do - lay off people and rehire when people retire or things improve.
Agreed. He wants everything to be fair, so cut the salary rather than layoff 1500 people...OUT OF 30,000 state employees. What is worse, 1500 unemployed workers drawing unemployment or 30,000 workers less %8 now needing to further drain state welfare and other benefits? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Frankly, find 1,500 people not doing their jobs or whose positions are obsolete (which I am sure there are a few) and axe them or ask them to retire. You can't tell me we don't have 1500 employees who we can buy out or make retire right now and NOT rehire their positions!
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 01:46 am |
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| And when was the last time anyone from the state was laid off and they have just about everything paid for. I am out of work and because of MARKELL I guess the only people that will be working are the state people
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 01:13 am |
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The entire budget could be balanced, by outsourcing DelDOT. The workers would still have jobs with outside companies who contract to do the work. It would get projects accomplished on-time, on budget and without any noticeable difference in service levels.
That would truly stimulate the economy in the region.
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Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 12:17 am |
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| State employees haven't had a pay increase in years and now are expected to take a substantial pay cut as well as put out more for insurance benefits. How about asking our legislators to fore go their salaries till we see daylight? For most of them it is a second income. Cutting salaries that deep will have a ripple effect in the community, belts will tighten because there will be NO expendable income to eat out, go to the movies, shop for anything besides absolute essentials. It will probably put those who are just getting by, down in the hole. What's next? Last edited on Fri Mar 20th, 2009 12:18 am by jdcoven
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