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Posted: Sat May 23rd, 2009 12:43 pm |
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Given as how many other parts there of the budget cuts, I would disagree with the comment that this was Markell's first choice.
Interesting that the Republicans are offering a tax increase to pay for the budget shortfall....while it is a transparent attempt to get the state workers to maybe actually vote Republican, I tend to think that most people (non state workers) have accepted the pay cut as an acceptable solution. They may not be happy about it, but I am not sure they are so unhappy they accept an income tax increase.
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Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2009 03:39 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Del. workers stage rally against cuts
State employees hold vigil to protest proposed decrease in salary
By Leah Burcat
Delaware State News
DOVER — State employees were out once again on Thursday making their voices heard.
The second of their three planned protests, the Unity Rally and Candlelight Vigil, attracted hundreds to Legislative Mall. At the event, state workers heard speakers, listened to music, chanted and registered to vote.
"We are sending a clear message that there shouldn’t be a budget balanced on the state employees’ backs," said Michael A. Begatto, executive director of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.
Gov. Jack A. Markell proposed an across-the-board 8-percent pay cut for all state workers in mid-March, sparking an outcry from state employees.
The group organized its first protest two weeks ago to rally against the pay cuts. On Thursday, state employees were sharing the same message.
"What makes me most angry is that we were his first choice, not his last," said Mike Sampere, of Dover, a teacher at Polytech High School in Woodside.
The proposed 8-percent salary reduction would knock his pay back to what he was receiving 10 years ago, he said.
"And for some it could put them back even further," Mr. Sampere said.
And it was that fact that most bothered another state worker, Gary King of Milford.
This will put some workers below the federal poverty level, he said.
"One thing we don’t need is more people on food stamps," said Mr. King.
Mr. King, who works in the Division of Parks and Recreation, said he has become disillusioned by the governor and other state lawmakers.
"I read Gov. Markell’s book, and it gave me the impression he was going to be a hands-on governor," said Mr. King. "How can he do this?"
"This has been an awakening," he said.
Even local businesses were getting in on the action.
Representatives from Leone’s Loockerman Exchange in Dover were handing out coupons to state workers. "We here at the Loockerman Exchange would like to show our support for our state workers," the coupon stated.
And the state workers are not done yet.
The group plans to rally once more, on June 11, to continue to share its message.
"We’re not easing up," said Mr. Begatto.
Gov. Markell has said that the proposal to cut state employees’ pay was the hardest for him to announce — and the first he would like to reverse.
"This is not something I wanted to do," he has said.
The state’s ever-growing budget shortfall — which has now reached $800 million — was the reason he made the proposal.
The job to balance the budget has now fallen on the Joint Finance Committee. The committee has met all week and will meet next week to craft a budget much smaller than previous years.
To date, the group has found millions in cuts from travel, contractual and employee recognition expenses, but has not yet looked into personnel costs.
The entire General Assembly must vote on a final budget by June 30.
Staff writer Leah Burcat can be reached at 741-8250 or lburcat@newszap.com.
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Posted: Thu May 21st, 2009 08:05 pm |
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| The dress code goes with the territory because in Delaware the dress code is not as professional as other states. I used to live in Maryland and its a big difference here vs. there. Its more laid back in Delaware not just in the schools.
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Posted: Thu May 21st, 2009 08:00 pm |
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Oh, Jeez....this is what you have to complain about? How they are dressed?
What do you think they should wear?
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Posted: Thu May 21st, 2009 07:19 pm |
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Copied below are three letters to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
I was amused and amazed about the photos in todays paper (May 21) of the teachers waiting to leave and leaving their school. They look as if they were going to a park or shopping. Are they trying to emulate the way their students dress? Professionals should take pride in their appearance and, as educators, be an example to their students and fellow teachers. My wife taught school for 26 years and never would have even considered looking as if she was sloppily dressed. Maybe the powers that be should mandate a dress code for teachers and for students.
Mervin C. Ward
Lewes
I have often commented about the poor dress habits, especially among our young people. the picture on the front page of the may 21st Delaware State News, showing the teachers leaving the Nellie Hughes school is a good example of why our kids dress so poorly and have no respect for their teachers or any one else for that matter. Teachers should set an example. This is a motley looking crew. In my day a coat and tie was required, not shorts, tee shirt, and flip flops.
Charles "Skip" Rebar
Smyrna
I read the article, subject as above, and noticed the picture on the front page. One teacher with levies on and toes showing, a man on the left with her short sleeve shirt hanging out, a lady in the right rear in shorts. If this is the way that our professional must dress, I would say they need a raise not a cut in pay. What has happened in our education system?
Bill Morton
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Posted: Thu May 21st, 2009 03:18 pm |
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From the Delaware State News:
Teachers show unity in protest
‘Bell-to-Bell’ action makes feelings known about pay cut plan
By Leah Burcat
Delaware State News
CAMDEN — Many area educators say the governor’s proposed 8-percent pay cut would be devastating.
"For many people this is the difference between being able to pay their mortgage payment or their rent — or not," said Laura McWilliams, a fifth-grade teacher at Nellie Hughes Stokes Elementary School in Camden.
Teachers could even have it worse, if earned incentive pay is cut or reduced, she said.
"There are so many extra hours educators put in, so much extra money they spend in their classes. This pay cut would really hurt them," said Mike Hoffmann, vice president of the Delaware State Education Association.
They aren’t the only ones who feel that way.
Educators from across the state have been saying the same thing — and this week they’ve been trying to make it known by participating in a "Bell-to-Bell" protest.
They are working only their contracted hours, meaning they are walking into their schools at the exact minute they start getting paid every day and are walking out when they stop getting paid.
"It is a show of solidarity and unity," said Mr. Hoffmann.
Organizers said it emphasizes the fact that public school teachers are already underpaid for the work they do.
Typically, many teachers stay later at school to help tutor students or write lesson plans. And while many said they do not mind doing it, they feel as though it is not appreciated.
"This is not a strike. This is nothing against the district," said Mr. Hoffmann. "It is actually really hard for many of them to do this."
Many of the teachers at Nellie Hughes Stokes Elementary were actually going in early to help students and then going outside before the bell to walk in with their fellow workers, said Ms. McWilliams.
"We’re still doing our jobs," she said.
All 19 public school districts in the state are taking part in the peaceful protest. Even Delmar School District, which had initially decided not to take part, joined in on Tuesday and Wednesday after seeing the impact other teachers across the state were having.
"It shows the anger and real concern these folks have," said Pam Nichols, spokeswoman for the DSEA.
"People say ‘Oh, well you’re a state worker, you have great benefits.’ We have good benefits because we give up in other areas," said Mr. Hoffmann. "We want people to know this."
The state’s teachers will continue making their voices heard today, when they join other state workers on Legislative Mall for a rally and candlelight vigil.
The coalition of state workers organized a similar rally two weeks ago in which 1,500 people participated.
"We’re expecting more," said Ms. Nichols. "We’ve been talking to the other unions in the coalition and it seems like more of their members will be coming."
Staff writer Leah Burcat can be reached at 741-8250 or lburcat@newszap.com.
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Posted: Sat May 16th, 2009 12:58 am |
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LOL, so only teachers know about correct grammar? Perhaps I grew up in a better time, since I learned correct grammar in school.
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Fred wrote:
Education, however, does provide value to the community. First, they can use their skills to revive existing entities, or start their own existing businesses. In today's world of working remotely becoming more and more common, they provide some workers that can do their job wherever they are, and it may well be where they grew up.
Point taken. The growth of remote sourcing of non-manufacturing work does make better education valuable in even our semi-remote [business-wise] location.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:22 pm |
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| That isn't the high school that instills that kind of attitude.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:21 pm |
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Hartlyboy wrote: ... so we will end up with outlet malls and fast food places to power our economy and the Delaware high schools produce a suitable graduate for most of those places.
You obviously do not patronize the same fast food places that I have gone to. The high school graduates employed there not only show little interest in actually providing service to their customers, but lack the ability to count change.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:11 pm |
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Hartlyboy wrote: I question the statement that companies have left and aren't coming back because of our education problems.
Delaware isn't great as far as the schools but we are not in the middle of a wilderness that has no talent to draw on. If a company needs engineers or scientists , they recruit them from far and wide and move them where they need them. The reason companies locate where they do has a lot more to do with taxes, transportation and general business climate shown by the state and local government. Skilled workers such as welders and electricians sometimes play a role but generally only in the construction phase if it's a manufacturing concern -and we don't want any of those nasty places that don't use wind power or use chemicals so we will end up with outlet malls and fast food places to power our economy and the Delaware high schools produce a suitable graduate for most of those places.
I tend to agree with you, HB. Delaware is or is not a good place to establish a business for a variety of reasons. The lack of big cities means, rightly or wrongly, that we are somewhat typecast as to what we can offer certain types of workers.
Plus....really how many businesses are out there, really? We've been in an era of contraction for a while, and businesses moves have been, it seems, mainly relocations of call centers and the like when they've used up all that particular community's various tax breaks.
Education, however, does provide value to the community. First, they can use their skills to revive existing entities, or start their own existing businesses. In today's world of working remotely becoming more and more common, they provide some workers that can do their job wherever they are, and it may well be where they grew up.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:29 am |
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| I love it when teachers join in and can only spend their time correcting grammar and spelling. Maybe if they spent more time on substance our system wouldn't be as dysfunctional as it is currently.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:22 am |
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| So "your" part of the problem. You should, at the very least, try and use correct grammar when you are trying to make a snide remark about someones competence.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:06 am |
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| Since when are state employees not part of the real world? This forum is about state employee paycuts... I understand we are not the only ones being affected by the economic tsunami that is currently ruining our country one trillion dollars at a time. I can only hope that by the time my children grow up our country will be at the forefront once more. Creating bigger government is not the right road to take... Does anyone even remember why our forefathers fought for our independence. I think there are way too many people with a sense of entitlement out there, so don't pass judgement on people just because they work for the state.
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 04:12 pm |
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joycems619 wrote: That is the truth. Some teachers don't even care. But I feel that the schools are top heavy. Its all politics and the middle class has to suffer.- Good teachers are starting to hang their heads. That's bad. The bad teachers will continue to be bad with a pay cut. Nothing lost or gained there with this. We need more competition for these jobs if we hope to eliminate the bad teachers. Depressing wages below the average for our region will not create competition. Good teachers cannot carry this load on their own. 1/2 the A students I know from college who chose to teach are out of it already. Schools are a whole different animal than a generation ago and paperpalooza from the gov't doesn't help either. They got tired of fighting so hard to help a system and people who simply aren't ready to help themselves. It gets old.
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I question the statement that companies have left and aren't coming back because of our education problems.
Delaware isn't great as far as the schools but we are not in the middle of a wilderness that has no talent to draw on. If a company needs engineers or scientists , they recruit them from far and wide and move them where they need them. The reason companies locate where they do has a lot more to do with taxes, transportation and general business climate shown by the state and local government. Skilled workers such as welders and electricians sometimes play a role but generally only in the construction phase if it's a manufacturing concern -and we don't want any of those nasty places that don't use wind power or use chemicals so we will end up with outlet malls and fast food places to power our economy and the Delaware high schools produce a suitable graduate for most of those places.
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 03:57 pm |
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| I feel sorry for everyone especially the middle class because we take the brunt of everything. I feel no matter what company that if you are going to cut our pay, cut our time so we can be with family more or maybe get a second job.
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| How is that done?
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 03:53 pm |
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| That is the truth. Some teachers don't even care. But I feel that the schools are top heavy. Its all politics and the middle class has to suffer.-
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 03:49 pm |
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Hartlyboy wrote: joycems619 wrote: I feel like we are not really being heard. If they are going to cut our pay they should give us more time at home or give us the opportunity to look for a second job. Keeping the same hours with less pay is not right. I don't know about everyone else but I work hard and care about my job and I did not cause this deficit. Markell doesn't want to have a sales tax or touch the welfare allotment because he has to keep in mind his political status.
The real world has problems , too. Another company in Wilmington just told their employees today that they were getting a 10% paycut. They work hard and care about their jobs, too, but the money isn't coming in so the pay isn't going out. You all sound so aggreived like you were the only ones feeling the pain.
Frankly, I think the whole pay cut solution is tainted now. Some will seize this opportunity to reduce wages. My money is on the real smarties in this economy. These are the leaders that realize by prioritizing expenses right now, they have the opportunity to pick up some amazing talent by demonstrating that they really value the effect good employees have on their overall success. It's good investment. Some people are buying stocks, some houses, some talent.
I vote education and environment. I think this is an opportunity to come out ahead in the upcoming teacher recruitment shuffle, but alas, we'll blow it by fixating on this moment at the expense of our stated goals. In spite of favorable taxes, companies have left or aren't coming b/c of our education problems. That hurts our economy. Now is the golden opportunity to begin fixing education where it really counts- in the classroom. Right now we could be laying a solid foundation for recruiting and retaining highly skilled teachers. That's a "vision" enacted, and Markell is missing the mark completely. He's proposing a foundation of sand.
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jh62 wrote: I have to agree. I see incompetence each and every day and in the 20 plus yrs I have worked for the state, I have seen it rewarded time and time again by promotion.
So your part of the problem? Incompetency should be reason for removal. Pay cuts are just a drop in the bucket.
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joycems619 wrote: I feel like we are not really being heard. If they are going to cut our pay they should give us more time at home or give us the opportunity to look for a second job. Keeping the same hours with less pay is not right. I don't know about everyone else but I work hard and care about my job and I did not cause this deficit. Markell doesn't want to have a sales tax or touch the welfare allotment because he has to keep in mind his political status.
The real world has problems , too. Another company in Wilmington just told their employees today that they were getting a 10% paycut. They work hard and care about their jobs, too, but the money isn't coming in so the pay isn't going out. You all sound so aggreived like you were the only ones feeling the pain.
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I have to agree. I see incompetence each and every day and in the 20 plus yrs I have worked for the state, I have seen it rewarded time and time again by promotion. the higher up you go it seems the less work there is to do as the serfs generally do all the work. I do my job well and am proud of my work but there are times when I feel like its all a wasted effort as I see others who don't care get the same raises that I do. Its refreshing to have someone say it like it is, but its all for naught really. The reality is that its been this way forever and it will continue to be this way. I sense the legislature is playing games too. First voting down the sports betting and now apparently approving it in the 11th hour (if I heard it correctly on the radio this morning) after Markells assertion that they were killing any chance of modifying the paycut plan. Its all a grand game where in the end it will appear that the legislature did us some great service by softening the initial blow and reducing the initial paycut to 3 or 4 percent versus the 8 percent that was originally proposed. As for the 1500 employees who would be laid off if there were no paycuts, there are easily 1500 employees who at this moment have 30+yrs service and are eligible for retirement but continue to feed at the public trough because they can. If we do not vote out those who support a paycut, then we only have ourselves to blame. Have a nice day.
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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinion by clicking on "Reply."
Education reform as a path to economic recovery is being undermined by a lack of foresight in Governor Markell’s proposal.
I believe the Markell "DE Teacher Tax" will earn our state a poor reputation at a time when even the administration (Lt. Gov. Matt Denn) finally acknowledges an upcoming teacher shortage just around the corner and the need for Delaware to be proactive if we hope to attract the best and brightest to teach for our state. Members of this administration and the Assembly acknowledge a financial need to reward great teachers for choosing to work at a high risk school. Why? Underperforming schools are not only challenging work, but generally are not able to compete with the salaries of other schools. If the administration and Assembly are willing to acknowledge the need for financial incentives to teach for some schools now, what will the "DE Teacher Tax" do for our reputation and recruitment efforts for all Delaware schools? Isn’t this a giant step backwards before a possible small step forward?
Schools are now seeking to recruit the best of Generation X and Y. We grew up with an onslaught of deceptive advertising from the time we were born. The great teachers we hope to recruit do not believe just because you say it is so. They ask questions. They always want to know what the catch is or if you’re honest. We don’t stay put in a job like the previous generation did because we grew up in the era of downsizing. Downsizing happened to our parents and we learned that companies feel no need for loyalty toward their employees. Our generation adapted by learning to take care of ourselves. It’s the world we grew up in. We also know there are many ways to "make a difference" and make a living. It doesn’t have to be an either/or choice.
Is the Delaware plan to recruit teachers during this anticipated time of shortage a gimmick or do we have a serious commitment to education reform? The "Delaware Teacher Tax" will make our state a gimmick in the eyes of the best and brightest. We’re not falling for it, just like we didn’t fall for past gimmicks from other states.
If we truly want the best for Delaware’s children, we’ll get serious now about the real effect of this pay cut. We will save taxpayers precious time and money later by PREVENTING this problem now! Stop the unfair taxation of state workers.
Carla S. Fillman
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| How many people or families actually collect welfare --- and for how long are they permitted to do so??
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I feel like we are not really being heard. If they are going to cut our pay they should give us more time at home or give us the opportunity to look for a second job. Keeping the same hours with less pay is not right. I don't know about everyone else but I work hard and care about my job and I did not cause this deficit. Markell doesn't want to have a sales tax or touch the welfare allotment because he has to keep in mind his political status.
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| I am glad to know that Kowalko and Bonini have come up with alternatives. I support a lot of things in both. I won't be voting for anyone who cuts state worker pay. Anyone who jeopardizes the Assembly's ability to pay workers with these alternative plans will not get my vote either. I will volunteer for your replacement's campaign. I would really like to see what the "No" crowd on sports betting is offering as an alternative for that possible income. Also, I'd like more than a one liner in the paper explaining the no vote. That includes the crew who abstained from voting. Please explain and soon. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt until you have an opportunity to present your case, but I won't wait forever.
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OUT OF TOUCH? OUT OF OFFICE! tspong wrote: Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
Mr. Markell made an appearance at our union meeting last month and referring to us as "YOU PEOPLE" telling us that we ("YOU PEOPLE") need to get behind the sports betting bill, stating that if it doesn’t get passed, the 55 Million will have to come from somewhere, and insinuating that we, "YOU PEOPLE" will be hit harder by deeper cuts. I and others in the room took that as a BIGGER pay cut if his bill doesn’t get passed. Then when a member asked him if he could live on less than 30,000.00 a year he very arrogantly stated "NO" and called on someone else who had their hand up without ever giving anyone a chance to question his answer. His arrogance and holier than thou attitude was very apparent at the meeting.
Now, Mr. Markell, You should’nt be forcing your state workers to endure hardships that you wouldn’t be willing to endure yourself.
Now that his sports betting bill has been defeated, is he going to go thru with his "intimatation" and take it out on state workers even more?
Who’s running this state, You or better yet, who’s running you that you refuse to consider more sensible options?
Elizabeth Ford
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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
Mr. Markell made an appearance at our union meeting last month and referring to us as "YOU PEOPLE" telling us that we ("YOU PEOPLE") need to get behind the sports betting bill, stating that if it doesn’t get passed, the 55 Million will have to come from somewhere, and insinuating that we, "YOU PEOPLE" will be hit harder by deeper cuts. I and others in the room took that as a BIGGER pay cut if his bill doesn’t get passed. Then when a member asked him if he could live on less than 30,000.00 a year he very arrogantly stated "NO" and called on someone else who had their hand up without ever giving anyone a chance to question his answer. His arrogance and holier than thou attitude was very apparent at the meeting.
Now, Mr. Markell, You should’nt be forcing your state workers to endure hardships that you wouldn’t be willing to endure yourself.
Now that his sports betting bill has been defeated, is he going to go thru with his "intimatation" and take it out on state workers even more?
Who’s running this state, You or better yet, who’s running you that you refuse to consider more sensible options?
Elizabeth Ford
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| It is interesting to note that the vast majority of Mr. Kowalko's proposals have to do with raising more revenue, not eliminating the need for it by cutting down on one of the most bloated governments in the country. What is he, a Democrat? Last edited on Wed May 6th, 2009 08:30 pm by Hartlyboy
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Copied below is a guest commentary submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
By Fred Allen Bass
Do we really need the largest per capita state government in the nation that has the largest national government in the world?
Are all of the thirty some thousand state jobs really necessary or could perhaps some 1,500 jobs be illuminated?
Do we relay need to continue to employ bad teachers, incompentent supervisors, do nothing engineers, out of control administrators, unnecessary superentendents and those who only have state jobs because of cronyism, nepotism and corruption?
Do we realy need an “across the board” pay cut for every one in order to save the jobs of the 1500 who should not be suported by the taxpayers in the first place?
The baulk of our state government problems lie with in just three agencies – D.O.E., D.O.T., H.S.S. and with the governors “across the board” proposal nothing will change – our state government will be just as bloted and incompentent and corrupt as ever.
A brief true story:
Some years ago when I was with the Department of Agriculture, some one with time on their hands came up with the silly idea to have state workers “self evaluate.”
Now I know this sounds odd for you foulks who have never worked for government, but in order to understand any of this – first you must set aside things like common sense and simple logic.
Any way – we were given the paperwork with a number of categories and asked to grade our own performance with a score of one to seven.
Suspecting a hoax, I called my personell director “What is the lowest possible score I can get on this and still get to keep my job”?
After a brief moment of silence she said “OK, Fred. I think I know what you are up to here. I think the lowest score would be 3.8 but just to be on the safe side don’t go below 4.0.”
So, in each of the various categories I gave myself a 4.0 – incuding the ability to communicate – then in the remarks section instead of a song and dance about the realy great job I did I simply said:
“I am personally ashamed of the job that I do.” Then I signed it.
Sware to God – true story.
The final results of this waste of time was that I received the same “final score” of five point something as every one else, and, the same pay increase.
It didn’t mean squat.
My point is – with our bogas and corrupt state government system the very best employee will receive the same “across the board” pay cut as the worst employee.
And when raises are given, the worst will receive the same as the best.
Editor’s note: Mr. Bass resides in Dover.
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tspong wrote: What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Kowalko unveils anti-pay-cut alternative plan
Included in those options was a plan to reorganize the personal income tax brackets, increasing fees on corporations, reinstating an inherited-wealth tax, increasing the gasoline tax and imposing three furlough days on state employees.
"One of the things we’re very concerned about is not just coming out against the governor’s proposal, but also offering alternatives," said Lt. Thomas Brackin, vice president of the Delaware State Troopers Association. "We share in this problem and we were looking at other options. It is very interesting that some our ideas mirrored some of his [Rep. Kowalko’s] ideas." ...
Although Rep. Kowalko’s plan included the use of furloughs, state workers said they believed it was a fair compromise.
What I do like is that this budget crisis HAS gotten new people out of the wood work to actually present ideas in the public forum. One can nit pick any of the ideas to death, and ther is a lot of Kowalko's plan I don't like, and a few more that aren't discussed that I'd like to get the details on, such as the incentive plan for state workers to take an early retirement (I suspect THAT is the part that the organizations like), but it might be something worth looking at, as is the 5 district plan that Bonnini wants, along with a (smaller) pay cut.
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Did that awhile ago. Lots of people have. So far, he doesn't care. He thinks he's exempt from the "sharing" he demands of state workers. That's when I started to seriously question his character. Keep going. Write the legislators regarding it too. Let them know that you know and you do not approve! chloe wrote: Born Country wrote: The governor says "we cannot tax our way out of this problem", yet he imposes a 10% income tax increase on all state workers with no commitment for resolving our future budget problems without it. That means he'll be back next year.... and the next... and the next, etc. That many workers losing more than disposable income will negatively affect businesses and the DE economy. I don't trust any politician who will without conscience suddenly grab thousands of dollars out of middle and lower income pockets to pay for their spending. If he lacks the conscience to realize what he's demanding of state employees and their families, then he lacks that conscience for all of us. I'm not fooled. I won't support someone who makes me feel ashamed to look in the mirror for the hell I've stood by and allowed innocent people to go through. I realize that if he gets away with this, he'll be back and he'll reach for more of us next time. Mark my words. He'll want more from more people.
Pay state workers to work. Furlough if you cannot pay. Otherwise, it's taxing by another name.
Contact the Governor: Ask him to take a pay cut. http://smu.governor.delaware.gov/cgi-bin/mail.php?contact
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Born Country wrote: The governor says "we cannot tax our way out of this problem", yet he imposes a 10% income tax increase on all state workers with no commitment for resolving our future budget problems without it. That means he'll be back next year.... and the next... and the next, etc. That many workers losing more than disposable income will negatively affect businesses and the DE economy. I don't trust any politician who will without conscience suddenly grab thousands of dollars out of middle and lower income pockets to pay for their spending. If he lacks the conscience to realize what he's demanding of state employees and their families, then he lacks that conscience for all of us. I'm not fooled. I won't support someone who makes me feel ashamed to look in the mirror for the hell I've stood by and allowed innocent people to go through. I realize that if he gets away with this, he'll be back and he'll reach for more of us next time. Mark my words. He'll want more from more people.
Pay state workers to work. Furlough if you cannot pay. Otherwise, it's taxing by another name.
Contact the Governor: Ask him to take a pay cut. http://smu.governor.delaware.gov/cgi-bin/mail.php?contact
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The governor says "we cannot tax our way out of this problem", yet he imposes a 10% income tax increase on all state workers with no commitment for resolving our future budget problems without it. That means he'll be back next year.... and the next... and the next, etc. That many workers losing more than disposable income will negatively affect businesses and the DE economy. I don't trust any politician who will without conscience suddenly grab thousands of dollars out of middle and lower income pockets to pay for their spending. If he lacks the conscience to realize what he's demanding of state employees and their families, then he lacks that conscience for all of us. I'm not fooled. I won't support someone who makes me feel ashamed to look in the mirror for the hell I've stood by and allowed innocent people to go through. I realize that if he gets away with this, he'll be back and he'll reach for more of us next time. Mark my words. He'll want more from more people.
Pay state workers to work. Furlough if you cannot pay. Otherwise, it's taxing by another name.
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Kowalko unveils anti-pay-cut alternative plan
By Leah Burcat
Delaware State News
CHESWOLD — There are other options available to the government rather than cutting state employees’ pay by 8 percent, Rep. John A. Kowalko, D-Newark, said on Tuesday.
And because of the pay cuts effects on consumer spending, it would be irresponsible not to look into them, he said.
"Aside from the fact that it is not a sustainable revenue resource, it should be considered that the proposed 8-percent across-the-board salary cuts for all state employees negatively distorts the opportunity to grow consumer spending and in fact, so restricts it as to cause harm to the overall economic picture," Rep. Kowalko wrote in the explanation to his proposal.
"In the interest of staying consistent with the Governor’s Office March 2009 report which states, ‘no group will bear a disproportionate burden from this challenge alone,’ I composed a menu of options that can be combined in a myriad of ways to eliminate the need for state employee salary cuts."
Rep. Kowalko unveiled his alternatives to the public at a meeting of the State Workers United for a Better Delaware group, the coalition of state employee unions, at the Delaware State Troopers Association in Cheswold.
Included in those options was a plan to reorganize the personal income tax brackets, increasing fees on corporations, reinstating an inherited-wealth tax, increasing the gasoline tax and imposing three furlough days on state employees.
He already presented his proposal to the Joint Finance Committee, the Markell administration and his colleagues in the legislature, Rep. Kowalko said.
"A lot of people have different views," Gov. Jack A. Markell said. "In the long run, we’re not going to be able to tax our way out of this problem."
But state employees at the meeting seemed encouraged by the representative’s proposals.
"One of the things we’re very concerned about is not just coming out against the governor’s proposal, but also offering alternatives," said Lt. Thomas Brackin, vice president of the Delaware State Troopers Association. "We share in this problem and we were looking at other options. It is very interesting that some our ideas mirrored some of his [Rep. Kowalko’s] ideas."
Although Rep. Kowalko’s plan included the use of furloughs, state workers said they believed it was a fair compromise.
"Furloughs are something we can talk about. Our biggest concern is salary cuts," said Vincent Fiscella, president of the state workers coalition.
State workers at town hall meetings with Gov. Markell over the past month and a half have expressed similar sentiments.
"A pay cut tells us you that you think we’re overpaid. A furlough tells us you just can’t afford to pay us," one woman told the governor at a Dover town hall meeting on April 6.
The budget solution must be fair, equitable and sustainable Rep. Kowalko told members of the State Workers United for a Better Delaware group on Tuesday.
An 8-percent across-the-board pay cut for state employees is none of those, he said.
State workers make up about 6.8 percent of Delaware’s employable workforce, Rep. Kowalko said.
"That means 6.8 percent of the workforce is absorbing 27.5 percent of the reduction," he said.
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Here is why markell can walk around with his head held high:
1. He got a raise. He knows he is more important than us and his actions show it.
2. He intended all along to fix the budget by taxing state workers, never mentioned it and got elected.
3. He does not know what it's like to live with the kind of money most of us have.
4. He thinks the people of Delaware are not as bright as him and will be easily duped. (Boy was he wrong!!!)
5. He doesn't believe that state workers are valuable. In his eyes we are overpaid. Hard to believe.
Govenor Markell you should be ashamed of yourself! How can you walk around with your head held up high knowing full well that what you are doing to the state employees is so wrong?
You have state employees living at or below poverty level and you want to take 8% more from them? How appalling can you be?
Legislators and the Govenor have gotten double digit raises most of the time. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
State Employees have gone several times without any raises. When we get a raise it’s between 1%-3%.
There are many other ways to get extra money. People don’t want to hear about tax increases but increases are necessary to get us up and running.
Sandra Evans
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| could someone make a list of these "essential services" state employees provide to me. Cos I dont see any essential services except maybe policing. fire is done thru the communities and even policing should be done that way IE town cops.
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Playing the Game wrote: As a State Employee I choose to reduce the size of government by laying off unnecessary positions and have stated this regularly. By the way there are slackers in every profession, it is not limited to state employees. I hate it when I am waiting for service in a retail outlet and the staff is laughing, joking and just hanging around.
I agree I usually walk out of those places cos I have the choice to do so. with a say....DMV worker I have to put up with their pissy attitude or risk being arrested is i go off on them the way i would any non state employee who wants my money.
Reducing the size of gov along with no more unconstitutional hands outs would balance this budget in a heart beat. But like someone said our govs are all about spending. the more they get in taxes the more they want to spend
Heres what I wanted to get across to the state employees, people in the private sector dont enjoy half the benefits you guys do. If you were a private sector employee you wouldnt even have the chance at a debate about a pay cut. You would be given no choice and just be laid off without notice.
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| Interesting twist to teachers in Delaware. My wife a tecaher in Delaware was informed by an attorney that "technically" teachers are NOT state employees but district employees. So in essence what the Governor is doing is reneging on contractual obligation to wit the state portion which the state agreed to provide for the districts for the teachers in the said districts.
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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
Govenor Markell you should be ashamed of yourself! How can you walk around with your head held up high knowing full well that what you are doing to the state employees is so wrong?
People did you know that the State Employees didn’t cause this problem — Business did?
State Employees are not laid off but business are laying off. Without state employees the essential public services upon which Delaware residents rely on will be greatly altered.
You have state employees living at or below poverty level and you want to take 8% more from them? How appalling can you be?
Legislators and the Govenor have gotten double digit raises most of the time. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
State Employees have gone several times without any raises. When we get a raise it’s between 1%-3%.
There are many other ways to get extra money. People don’t want to hear about tax increases but increases are necessary to get us up and running.
We have a rainy day fund and if you don’t think it’s for this situation then what is it for? I’m not saying use it all just some. It will be a start. I don’t want to hear about it that it has to be paid Back in one year and the state won’t be able to do that. Legislation can change that very easily and interest can be paid for a couple of years.
How can you be so concerned about the triple A rating when so many more will be put into the poverty level with this 8% cut.
How can this state get out of this?
Wake up and think very serious about what you are doing to the state employees.
Sandra Evans
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Playing the Game wrote: As a State Employee I choose to reduce the size of government by laying off unnecessary positions and have stated this regularly. By the way there are slackers in every profession, it is not limited to state employees. I hate it when I am waiting for service in a retail outlet and the staff is laughing, joking and just hanging around.
Yeah, you are right in that regard. Just my opinion. I've never seen you say that though. Maybe I missed it.
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Playing the Game wrote: As a State Employee I choose to reduce the size of government by laying off unnecessary positions and have stated this regularly. By the way there are slackers in every profession, it is not limited to state employees. I hate it when I am waiting for service in a retail outlet and the staff is laughing, joking and just hanging around.
Agreed. The issue is, though, that certain state employees (legislators) do not want to do this because of the lobbying issues it creates. Most of our bureaucracies are BIG for this very reason. We have employees who are useless for this very reason. The jobs have been created by pork.
Personally, I believe the Dept of Education needs to be eliminated, DELDOT needs to be trimmed to operate more on federal dollars than state funds, so that unnecessary projects are elimnated and DHSS and DNREC need programs cut (especially since both already receive large sums of private funds/donations and volunteer work to begin with). There is your $800 million in a nutshell.
But, spendocrats do not want to consider anything that makes them look good to voters...just pay cuts, which will get them all voted out!
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| As a State Employee I choose to reduce the size of government by laying off unnecessary positions and have stated this regularly. By the way there are slackers in every profession, it is not limited to state employees. I hate it when I am waiting for service in a retail outlet and the staff is laughing, joking and just hanging around.
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I am going to say it cos I know I am not the only one thinking it.
Teachers aside if you state workers put as much effort into your day to day jobs as you are fighting a pay cut maybe the rest of us delawarians would have some sympathy for you. The fact is the rest of us see too many of you not doing anything while we are working our butts off.
the bottom line is this either jobs are lost or some pay is, choose. Thats how cold and hard the private sector is.
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Workers set to protest salary cuts
State employees planning rallies, visits to lawmakers
By Leah Burcat
Delaware State News
DOVER — State workers, still infuriated by the governor’s proposal to cut their pay across the board by 8 percent, plan to make their voices heard over the next few weeks, through rallies, vigils, protests and lots of visits to legislators.
"Our basic message is that 8, 10, 12 percent [in pay cuts] for a family is devastating," said Pamela Nichols, spokeswoman for the Delaware State Education Association. "We think that’s unfair and that there are more responsible ways to set up our revenue system."
Various groups representing state employees announced early last month that they had joined together under the name "State Workers United for a Better Delaware" in opposition to Gov. Jack A. Markell’s pay-cut proposal.
"Asking us to assume health care costs that amount to a 2-percent salary decrease, plus furlough days, and for many, the suspension of professional-development stipends, is already a sacrifice. An 8-percent salary cut on top of that is devastating to many families already living paycheck to paycheck," said Vincent Fiscella, coalition president.
"You can work full-time for the state of Delaware and earn as little as $17,550. For a family of four, that’s already at the poverty level; an 8-percent cut would be $1,404 less. These huge cuts will cause devastation to our state’s already-stretched social services."
The "State Workers United for a Better Delaware" group has been meeting once a week to come up with ways to express their views to state lawmakers and to find alternatives to the proposal.
"As a coalition we are looking at several alternative ways to raise revenue that are actually fair and shared amongst all people in Delaware and not just state employees," said Lt. Thomas Brackin, vice president of the Delaware State Troopers Association.
Such alternatives include adding higher brackets to the personal income tax.
"If you’re making $60,000 or $200,000, you’re being taxed at the same percentage," said Ms. Nichols.
"Those in the upper brackets should pay an additional share," said Lt. Brackin.
In addition, the coalition wants state lawmakers to look into reinstating a tax on inherited wealth and on increasing the corporate franchise tax.
"The owners of the corporations are not Delawareans and they are making millions and millions of dollars," said Lt. Brackin.
And the coalition wants to make sure the governor and legislators hear their ideas. Over the next few weeks they will be making sure their voices are heard.
Each Wednesday, the coalition has been sending members in to Legislative Hall to lobby their legislators.
This week, DSEA members will be wearing red to symbolize bleeding.
On Tuesday, the group will be meeting with Rep. John A. Kowalko, D-Newark, to discuss alternatives to an across-the-board pay cut.
On Wednesday the coalition is planning on holding a rally on Legislative Mall with all state employees. They are hoping to get 3,000 people to attend.
The week of May 18, members are organizing a Bell-to-Bell week, in which state employees are being asked to come in at exactly the time for which they begin getting paid and leaving right at the end of the day.
Organizers believe that this will show that the state workers are already under-compensated for the work they do.
On May 21, the group will be holding a Unity Rally and Candlelight Vigil on Legislative Mall.
They are also asking coalition members to include "community bucks" with all of their payments in local stores. The "community bucks" include a message that says their spending ability may soon be decreased and urges the store owner to contact his or her legislator.
Through these events, they hope to show state lawmakers that the governor’s proposal is not OK, Lt. Brackin said.
"We’re not in favor of any pay decrease when there are any other options available," said Lt. Brackin. "Exhaust them."
He said he hopes their actions will bring attention to how devastating such a pay cut would be and encourage legislators to find other options.
"What are you going to do about next year’s budget?" he asked. "This is a one-year solution to a multi-year problem."
Staff writer Leah Burcat can be reached at 741-8250 or lburcat@newszap.com.
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| I hope the citizens of Delaware will see who supports Markell and take them all out in the next election.
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| Then vote every incumbent out of office and shake it up. The rank and file in government understand, the politicians don't. With all due respect, Colin Bonini is the only long term politician who "gets it".
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But the issue with some of these higher up state agencies is that they will all protect each other. They all get each other the jobs and then ensure that they get to keep them. You have to break up cronyism to accomplish a legitimate restructuring.
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Playing the Game wrote: The Governor said he would need to layoff 1500 workers to get the same bang as he will with the pay reduction. That would be a 4.5% reduction in staff and it would be a start to the reduction of the size of government.
I believe some layoffs should happen too. For one, if you get to know some great teachers, pretty much all of them have a story about numerous self promoters sitting up at DOE crafting policies when they were completely inept in the classroom. That was NEVER acceptable, and I'm okay w/ cutting that department way back. Their time has come. They are why teachers are begging for more local control.
What about signing up for voluntary timed layoffs? Private sector workers do it all the time. Couldn't that be a starting point?
At the end of the day, no pay should mean no work!
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