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  That list of "good" that he did could be written in 16 pt. type on a matchbook cover. Why not start with what this thread is about. List any of your perceived "good" on Illegal Immigration. 
  It's true Clinton's indiscretions were a stain (excuse the choice of words) on the oval office and I would never defend them. That being said if you care to look at Presidential history, far more sinister acts some of them illegal have been carried out in that office. Some by GWB have cost people their lives. Scandal, while humiliating (just ask some of the holier than thou Senators and Congressmen from both parties) has little or no effect on the lives of anyone but those involved.
  If this countries Constitution survived the assault on it by King George little Dicky and their band of henchmen (and that's a big if) it will no doubt survive Obamas.
  I have reached the point where I consider the former King less than nothing and the majority of people in this country already know who is worse.

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Congress is once again trying to deprive us of our fragile and rapidly diminishing Social Security benefits by giving them to illegal aliens from Mexico.

With Medicare in crisis and our country in a depression I am stunned at the depth of irresponsible government. Under direction from the Bush administration, the State Department and the Social Security Administration are considering a Totalization Agreement, in which 345 billion dollars in Social Security benefits would be granted to illegal aliens from Mexico. The Bush White House thought that this would be a low cost favor to get in to, then Mexican President, Vicente Fox’s good graces.

Why would the U.S. government care about being in Fox’s good graces? Mexico could not be a worse neighbor. The Mexican government encourages their sick, their criminals and their poor illiterates to violate our borders. They have overwhelmed our welfare system, our schools, our prisons and our hospitals. Our border states have declared emergencies and are being overrun by drug traffickers, kidnappers and other felons. Mexico is a conduit for terrorists. Their lawlessness made it one of the top ten global risks. Our Homeland Security is diminishing rather than strengthening under the illegal-alien loving Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano’s reign. In my opinion she is one of the most ineffective members of President Obama’s cabinet of rerun Clintonites and misfits.

This agreement would be a significant difference from the 20 or so agreements that are already in place between the United States and other countries because under those agreements, only people legally residing and working in the United States are eligible to receive Social Security benefits. Unlike those twenty other countries, illegal Mexican aliens are unidentifiable. The last amnesty had over a 70% fraud rate. The INS and the SSA knowingly accepted massive numbers of fraudulent rent receipts, earnings records and birth records. Our country is awash with fake I.D.s and other documents generated by American businesses that feasted on the lax requirements.

In December, the press reported on a looming deal between the administration and the government of Mexico which would make hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens eligible for U.S. Social Security benefits. The centerpiece of the agreement would be a so-called "totalization," which would mean that even if a Mexican citizen did not work in the United States long enough to qualify for Social Security, the number of years worked in Mexico would be added to bring up the total and thus make the Mexican worker eligible for cash transfers from the United States. Our government kept this a secret from American taxpayers and sold us down the drain. The entire illegal immigrant system is awash in fraud.

Several years ago the U.S. government built a huge Social Security Administration Office in Mexico City in order to handle the millions of illegal Mexicans that will be lining up to steal our social security; many will steal it under several names. Washington must be pretty certain that is going to happen.

U. S. citizenship should be a mandatory requirement for anyone wanting our tax dollars. The Mexican Totalization Agreement is a devious insult to the millions of Americans who pay their entire working lives into the system and now face the possibility that there may be nothing left when it is their turn to retire.

The proposed agreement is nothing more than a financial reward to those who have willingly and knowingly violated our own immigration laws. Talk about an incentive for illegal immigration! How many more would break the law to come to this country if promised U.S. government paychecks for life? Is creating a global welfare state on the back of the American taxpayer a good idea? The program also establishes a very disturbing precedent of U.S. foreign aid going to individual citizens rather than to states.

Ex-US Ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, said, "This is another traitorous giveaway proposal; work less than two years and get decades of welfare/social security, irregardless of whether they even have a green card. For officials to funnel public funds to the foreigner over the border fits the description of treason. The social security disability system will presumably also be open to hostile foreigners, who will only have to work two years here, get registered as disabled, move to Mexico and live on $800.00 a month for the next fifty years. The social security basic levels of payments are several times the median wage of Mexico. If 20 million sign up, it will only involve traitors shipping out around $200 billion a year."

If all this isn’t enough to make you sick to your stomach or fighting mad the agreement also contains a provision that U.S. taxpayers are supposed to create a major fund to finance 60,000 Mexican students to study in U.S. colleges. "WHY?"

Anyone relying on social security alone is living at poverty levels. Yet members of Congress have a bigger retirement package than the CEO’s of most companies today. Even their 401K’s were covered by AIG. In addition they have given themselves the best health care coverage in the world. Many members who have recently left Congress will draw more than $1 million over their lifetimes. The National Taxpayers Union projects that in the future many will haul in over $2 million. Even those members of congress convicted of major offenses still collect their pensions. Only treason can stop their pensions. Why don’t we use their retirement money to fund social security for illegal immigrants and watch how fast they fix the problem? What is wrong with our government?

William J. Stewart

The Future wrote:  we are giving jobs away that many americans need right now.   By making the "illegals, legal we are rewarding people for knowingly breaking the laws of our country. 

Which jobs exactly are you talking about so I can figure out who exactly is passing on these "rewards" you speak of? If this is the premise of your short story then you should perhapse start with the corporate employer. Jobs and socialism from the template for which you present neglect the corporate socialism which is the driving force behind the puppet show called illegal immigration. Seriously though....which jobs...there are so many to be used as a foundation for the ruse

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Claim: “Illegal immigrants are just hard-working people who want jobs.”

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Claim: “Illegal aliens help keep cost of goods down”

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Claim: “Illegals do not drive down US workers’ wages”

False: As already presented, illegal immigrants from Mexico are working for far less money than US citizen workers and on a regular basis. An 18 April 2006 article in WSJ by Professor of Economics and Social Policy at Harvard University George J. Borjas (“For a Few Dollars Less”) quotes Paul Samuelson: “…an increase in supply [of workers] will, other things being equal, tend to depress wage rates." Although Samuelson’s conclusions were, for years, disputed, recently they have been proving to be accurate.

 

Borjas writes: “My Harvard colleague Lawrence Katz and I recently examined the impact of the 1980-2000 immigrant influx (and particularly Mexican-origin immigration) for U.S. wages. The results are that, in the short run -- holding all other things equal -- immigration lowered the wage of native workers, particularly of those workers with the least education. The wage fell by 3% for the average worker and by 8% for high school dropouts.” He further concludes: “These effects imply sizable reductions in annual earnings for low-skill workers. In 2000, the typical high school dropout earned $25,000, so that immigration reduced his earnings by $1,200, even after all capital adjustments take place. Mr. Katz and I also examined how much was due to Mexican immigration. We calculated what the wage effects would have been had there been no Mexican immigration between 1980 and 2000. We found that Mexican immigration, which is predominantly low-skill, accounts for all of the adverse impact of immigration on low-skill natives.” In NRO (National Review Online), Borjas continues with: “In fact, immigration may have depressed the wages of low-skilled workers by 5 to 8 percentage points.”

 

I will let you be the judge whether or not you think illegal immigrants should be given amnesty!!! 

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I noticed that every time there is a failure of government in the U.S. our president and his predecessor immediately throw money at the problem to cloud the issue and distract Americans from the root cause. President Obama recently requested another 1.5 billion from congress to handle our Swine flu problems. Why would we need to squander billions more of our taxpayer’s dollars? Does the Center for Disease Control not have a budget? Isn’t the reason for exorbitant drug prices a result of the huge costs of research and development incurred by pharmaceutical companies? Where is the World Health Organization when we need it? Is congress going to throw more money at yet another problem that should never have occurred except for their ineptitude?

What do you call it when a country allows three million people a year to cross its borders without any idea of their identity, criminal records or health status; irresponsible, traitorous or anti-American? The people who violate our borders are for the most part Mexicans looking for a better life or to jump on the lifetime welfare wagon or criminals looking for greener pastures. They are predominately poor and illiterate and are from a country where millions die from diseases caused by unmonitored water supplies and where people are compressed in very close proximity to their chickens, cattle and pigs. They live in a culture that pays little attention to personal hygiene and has few standards for disease control.

On a recent trip to Mexico I was shocked to learn that most bathrooms, especially in the south of Mexico, contain a basket for the collection of used toilet paper because overworked sewer systems cannot process it. Third World countries are not keen on washing hands after using a bathroom. And few bathrooms actually contain sink, soap and paper towels to do so. It is no wonder that they arrive in the U.S. with head lice, tuberculosis, A, B and C hepatitis, leprosy, AIDS and several strains of VD that have proven to be very drug resistant. These diseases, especially TB, have been eliminated in the U.S. for many years but are now making a comeback and spreading throughout the U.S. at an alarming rate. Chagas Disease, which destroys heart tissue and other organs, is carried into the U.S. directly from Mexico and Latin America where 18 million people are infected with it. In 2003 the NY Times reported that leprosy carried here by illegal aliens from Brazil, Mexico and the Caribbean, had infected over 7000 people in the U.S.

Our Homeland Security Secretary, Janet Napolitano, is an advocate of open borders and Illegal Immigration. I don’t feel very secure with Secretary Napolitano guarding our country. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has declared a state of emergency in California to help state agencies coordinate efforts to stem the outbreak. California has 3 million illegal immigrants and is also on the verge of bankruptcy. Doesn’t that make any impression on her?

Over 4 million Illegal alien school children, here in America, are not inoculated for the plethora of diseases they bring unknowingly into American schools. So while we are all at risk; our children are usually the first to be contaminated. Congress and the President are well aware of this problem and are the cause of it just as in the latest financial debacle. They will try to spin it into the distribution of more uncontrolled billions to the pharmaceutical companies and the lobbyists just as they are doing with Wall Street. It is especially sad when we realize that this problem was caused by irresponsible government that refuses to control its borders just so a small group of American businesses can make huge profits by laying the cost of so called illegal alien labor on the American taxpayers. I personally, would be happy to wash my own car, mow my lawn and purchase whole chickens and welcome identifiable legal immigrants entering through our front door. Landscapers, restaurants, and cleaning services could automate, raise their prices, or lower their profits until Americans could be paid a fair wage for their services. There is no doubt that our immigration system and the Department of Immigration are seriously flawed. The quotas are skewed and the entire operation inefficient. Many of our other arms of government also need reorganizing and everyone in the U.S. knows the government is responsible for allowing this entire situation to occur. Congress and the last eight presidents caused or ignored this problem and allowed it to reach the disastrous proportions that it has now reached. The time has come to fix it properly. If the US needs more immigrants then Congress should take a break from their affairs with lobbyists and reorganize the Immigration service, set realistic and fair entry quotas and bring in skilled identifiable people from all over the world who can bring something to America rather than just take from it.

America has always welcomed legal immigrants and the majority of us can trace our roots back through Ellis Island. Millions of immigrants entered the U.S. through Ellis Island where they had to undergo a medical and legal inspection. The two main reasons they were refused entry were if they had a contagious disease or were likely to become a public charge. Our country should continue to be a melting pot or mix of people from all over the world not just Mexico because President Calderon wants to unload his unskilled, his sick and his criminals on us.

The last president courageous enough to initiate an aggressive program against illegal immigration was President Eisenhower who deported over a million illegal immigrants and shipped them home. At least he recognized an invasion of his country when he saw one and responded to it.

Presently, there are many laws in the US that are unfair, biased or skewed. Americans still obey them and hope the next Congress will not be as easily influenced by big business as the last one. If Americans must obey the law, then illegal immigrants must certainly do so otherwise we will suffer pandemics much more severe than Swine Flu.

William J. Stewart