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Posted: Wed Jul 29th, 2009 05:05 pm |
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| No matter how hard we try, we cannot legislate common sense. We are fast becoming a nanny state. About a month ago I was on US 13 heading south from Camden and looked over and saw a young girl texting with both hands and driving with her knees while in the left lane. We have become so obsessed with staying connected that we throw common sense and courtesy out the window.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29th, 2009 04:00 pm |
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Copied below is a guest commentary submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinion by clicking on "Reply."
By Reid K. Beveridge
So now we have it.
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has conducted research and found that talking on a cell phone while driving is more dangerous than drunk driving.
Most of us don’t drive if we’re drunk. However, I’d bet that most of us who own cell phones (which is most of us) talk on them at least occasionally when we drive. Some of us talk on them a lot when we drive. And a few of us talk incessantly when we drive.
Worse, some of us text when we drive. This is akin to watching television while we drive. Or reading a book at 60 mph.
A few months ago, a fascinating spot commercial appeared on local stations. It showed a man driving in a car and exclaiming about a driver in front of him who was weaving. The man was highly critical of drunk drivers. The next shot was of the man ramming a stopped 18-wheeler at highway speed. The punch line was something like: "Don’t talk and drive."
But we all do it, right?
But that doesn’t make it right.
Used to be, none of us wore seat belts. When states began to insist that we do for our own good, some people argued it was a violation of their constitutional rights. Some people even argued that just a few years ago when the General Assembly changed the law and allowed the police to stop you solely for that offense.
I don’t think there is any credible argument these days that seat belts don’t save lives and minimize injuries if you are in a crash. A few years ago, a colleague of mine was hit from behind, while stopped at a traffic light, at 60 mph. Not only that, the perp never took her foot off the gas, and proceeded to bounce back and then come right back and hit her again.
My friend was buckled in and suffered a concussion simply from the impact. However, if she had not been buckled, she almost certainly would have been propelled through the windshield and/or crushed against the steering column. Either of which most likely would have killed her.
The NTSB study, which was never published (some assert was suppressed) argues — to me, authoritatively — that talking on the phone is by far the most distracting thing you can do while driving. The study says there is little difference between holding the phone to your ear or using a "blue-tooth" hands-free device. The point is the mental focus required to talk on the phone.
The study further says this is quantitatively different than talking with someone else in the vehicle. It is quantitatively different than listening to the radio or even eating. Such as (to go to the extreme):
Talking on the phone with your spouse, who says he/she is leaving you for another.
Talking with your boss, who says if you aren’t standing in front of him/her in five minutes (you are 20 minutes away and stuck in traffic), you’re fired.
Or talking with the state police, who are telling you to get to the emergency room ASAP because your child is in critical condition.
But everyone does it, right? Even taxi drivers. They may well be the worst. Do we passengers have a right to tell the driver to shut up and drive? Recently, a New York cabbie ran a light while talking on the phone and hit another car, injuring the passengers in it, and his own as well.
From time to time, we are driving at highway speed and note a driver ahead of us who slows down and then speeds up and then slows down and speeds up. Most often, that driver is talking on the phone. They probably are unaware of their erratic ways.
The worst, of course, are the ones who are steering with their knees, holding a phone in one hand and working out of their briefcase on the right. Do you think they are watching the road? Do you think they know how fast they are going? Answer for yourself.
Do you think the General Assembly should do something about this?
Answer that for yourself, too.
Editor’s note: Mr. Beveridge has covered state politics in Texas, Iowa, Wisconsin, Delaware and Washington, D.C. He is now retired at Broadkill Beach.
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 02:13 am |
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If you have an accident, does it matter if you were on the cell phone, texting, eating, drinking, putting make up on, changing the CD player, or any other thing?
It is all distracted driving, and should be treated the same.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 01:49 pm |
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| They are hoping to provide a distraction from their true agenda --- increasing taxes.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 12:16 pm |
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| Our politicians do not need to waste our time inventing laws that are already covered by other laws on the books.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 02:22 am |
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| I agree. It's not just cell phone use, it's also the other things that people do when they drive. A car is a lethal weapon, and a goodly number of drivers don't seem to care.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 12:15 am |
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| There is a law on the books concerning inattentive driving, which, should be applied in regard to cell phone use. If that is found to be unsatisfactory, then the bill should be amended to include all types of distractive behavior, e.g., eating, smoking, drinking, reading, makeup application, or manipulating any other type of electronic device (GPS units, MP3 players, radar detectors, etc.). With the congested environment of our roads and highways any inattentive behavior can result in serious consequences. I was behind a woman a couple of weeks ago, mirror angled to her face as she put on makeup. This on a twisting road with no shoulder. There was more than one occasion her tires were off the road. If our legislators are afraid the original bill didn't go far enough, then they should be concerned that this bill doesn't go far enough.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 05:37 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Bill seeks cell phone ban on roads
Delaware would be first to completely prohibit devices while driving
By Lydia Woolever
Delaware State News
DOVER — As the legislative session nears its end with only two days left, many bills are still waiting under the heavy hands of the clock to be passed.
One piece of legislation in particular, House Bill 229, hopes to get its fair debate in time for approval to ensure safer highways by next year.
This bill would prohibit the use of cell phones in their entirety while operating a motor vehicle on any of Delaware’s highways. It has been passed in the Senate and now goes to the House to be considered before the session’s end on Tuesday.
According to HB 229, no driver shall operate a motor vehicle on any highway while using a cell phone while the vehicle is in motion. Law enforcement officers and emergency personnel are exempt during performance of their required duties.
Earlier this session, Rep. Joseph E. Miro, R-Pike Creek, sponsored House Bill 40 to ban text messaging while operating a motor vehicle. HB 229 will now ban all other uses, including hands-free options.
"Although we made progress, I don’t think we went far enough," said Rep. Darryl Scott, D-Dover, the bill’s sponsor. "I felt we needed to come back at the issue again and try to pass a stricter law eliminating the use of a cell phone while driving.
"Whether you have a hands-free or Blue Tooth or speaker device or not, some studies would characterize that driving while on a cell phone is equal to or worse than driving with a .08 blood alcohol content."
Upon violation, the first offense will be a fine between $50 and $100. For each subsequent offense, the offender shall be fined between $100 and $200. The Division of Motor Vehicles will also allot points to the driver’s license specific to the level of offense.
However, if the driver’s use of a cell phone was necessitated by an emergency, they would be exempt from prosecution.
"There’s a punitive portion to the bill that should get people's attention," Rep. Scott said. "It’s going to affect their ability to drive if they chose to disregard the law time and time again."
According to the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety, simply dialing a phone triples the odds of being involved in a crash or near-crash, while actual cell-phone use nearly quadruples the risk.
Despite these statistics, no state has yet to completely ban cell phones. Many states have prohibited the use of handheld cell phones but still allow hands-free devices.
However, a recent AAA FTS study showed that hands-free and handheld mobile devices were equally dangerous, as both reduce attention and reaction time, effectively increasing risk.
According to the Delaware Office of Highway Safety, cell-phone-distraction-related crashes have increased each year: 100 in 2005, 166 in 2006, 214 in 2007 and 258 in 2008.
"I think if you’re going to be driving a multi-thousand pound vehicle, give all your attention to what’s going on the road and have your conversation later," Rep. Scott said.
"Every time someone almost hits me, I look up to see that they are talking on their cell phone," said Sen. Karen Peterson, D-Stanton, who supports HB 229. "I saw an 18-wheeler on Kirkwood Highway (recently) texting with one hand and shifting with the other and I want to know who was driving."
Out of the American Legion Department of Delaware’s 2,700 ambulance calls a year, approximately 30 percent of the accidents involved cell phones.
"This has been an issue of ours for a while now," Allan Post, chairman of the American Legion Ambulance Post 14 in Smyrna. "It’s definitely a needed bill and the full ban is a good idea.
"It’s a hazard because people don’t pay attention. They don’t even pay attention to ambulances when we’re on the road, no matter how many lights and sirens are going off behind them."
One of the arguments against HB 229 is that of preference as some opponents claim to maintain productivity and full attention while using their cell phones.
"That may be the case, but the evidence would indicate otherwise," Rep. Scott said. "I think that when you look at the facts — the increase in risk, the dangers that you’re introducing while driving, increase in number of accidents — they would indicate we better serve by banning their use while driving than allowing the convenience of letting us maintain them."
Another issue raised is one of enforcement with hands-free devices.
"Enforcement may be challenging, but some colleagues of mine who are police officers think that a larger percent of the population will comply with the law simply because the law exists," Rep. Scott said.
"I don’t see any disadvantages with the bill, but enforcement will be tough enough," Mr. Post said. "How can you tell if people are using a hands-free device?"
"Hands-free regulation will be more difficult," Sen. Peterson said. "But if it comes up in an accident, it would be easy to tell if someone was on a phone or not."
Despite minor opposition, HB 229 has received sufficient support from people willing to put the mobiles down.
"It’s not that they don’t have a place from a business or personal or safety perspective," Rep. Scott said. "It’s just that people are trying to make them an integral part of their every waking moment and it can be distracting and somewhat disruptive.
"Set it aside, enjoy your ride and then return your calls when you stop at your destination."
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| You should have done the world a favor by slamming into her and sending her over the rail.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 08:12 am |
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| I drove over the bay bridge yesterday and the whole time the person in front of me had their turn signal on . When I finally passed her, my son looked down at her and said she had a cup of coffee in one hand and with that one hand she also had a finger on the wheel. In her other hand she had a blackberry and was working on it obviously (email, texting, whatever else). He then said " man she even shifted gears in the middle of texting". Now common sense is that everyone knew that she wasn't going to turn. What was she going to do, turn at the next wave? In everyday traffic situations though, people like this screw up and confuse everybody around them. Sometimes they even kill them as a result of this reckless decision making while driving. Comparable to drunk drivers in the scope of things.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 02:36 am |
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jh62 wrote: For whatever reason, it seems people can't go 5minutes without a cellphone. Just the other day driving south on Rt. 1 in pouring rain a minivan with kids on board blew by me. The driver with one hand on the wheel and the other firmly gripping her c-phone. There would have been no hope had the van hydro-planed at that speed. People just seem to lack common sense, hence the nanny state will probably reign. Of course, on the other hand you can ride a motorcycle all day long without a helmet on your head (as long as its attached to the bike you are legal) but you can't be in a vehicle with front, side, rear curtain airbags, traction control and anti=lock brakes without a seatbelt. Go figure...
You do have a point about the seatbelts.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 02:08 am |
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For whatever reason, it seems people can't go 5minutes without a cellphone. Just the other day driving south on Rt. 1 in pouring rain a minivan with kids on board blew by me. The driver with one hand on the wheel and the other firmly gripping her c-phone. There would have been no hope had the van hydro-planed at that speed. People just seem to lack common sense, hence the nanny state will probably reign. Of course, on the other hand you can ride a motorcycle all day long without a helmet on your head (as long as its attached to the bike you are legal) but you can't be in a vehicle with front, side, rear curtain airbags, traction control and anti=lock brakes without a seatbelt. Go figure...
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 01:41 am |
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Driving while talking on a cell phone, putting on makeup, shaving, eating/drinking while your car is in motion, keeping a handicap placard which it states very clearly that it should be removed when the car is in motion, on & on.
All these activites are things that I have seen. People can't make a correct turn because of some other activity that they seem to think is more important than driving. They don't use signals, they don't use their headlights in the rain, They don't care. They run red light, (unless there is a camera present, they change lanes from 1 side to 3 lanes over, they cross double yellow lines, they cross a solid white line before they should. So yes a nanny is needed. Hope your outrage extends to BO's nanny care from cradle to grave.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 10:00 pm |
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Okay, now we need nannies to tell us what to do with our lives??
I dont need someone telling me I have to buckle my seatbelt, I dont need someone telling me I cant eat transfat, I sure as heck dont need someone telling me I cant eat foie gras & now I dont need someone telling me I can not talk on my cellphone either hands-free or non hands-free.
I think if more people took responsibility for their actions, drove like the road rules say you should by obeying the flipping speed limits, obeying the flipping road markers (dont cross double yellows or solid yellows on your side), obeying STOP SIGNS (they arent blow past them & cut me off signs you stupid tourons).
Anyone can be distracted just as easily by the car radio playing a song they like, by a passenger in their car talking to them, or a nice scene out the window so they rubberneck.
Its called being a grownup & driving a motorized vehicle in a responsible manner, not having a nanny watch out for you.
And yes, I started driving before we had cellphones, car phones or even pagers, so I'm not some punk kid. And I never drove a model T, I'm like most average citizens on the roads nowaday.
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 06:49 pm |
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They already ban the use of hand-held cell phones in NJ and NY and other places. I do not see many people pulling over to the sides of the road. I cannot fathom, what is sooooo bloody important that one must be taking and making calls while driving.
What did you all do before there were affordable cell phones???? I really do not understand. Yes, I have a cell phone, but, if I'm driving, it goes to voice mail. Usually it's turned off. I have it for an EMERGENCY only. 
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 05:23 pm |
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| No doubt that cell phone usage while driving causes accidents. I am not disputing that fact. All I am saying is that motorist will have to pull off on the side of the road in order to make or receive a call. This opens up a whole other can of worms with cars being hit while parked on the sides of the road. On such example is the accident that caused the death of J. Peterman's wife and granddaughter while they were parked on the side of the road watching the fire at the hotel. This law will cause a lot of cars to be temporarily parked on the side of the road which will have the potential to cause as many accidents as cell phone usage will driving.
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Extra Extra Read All About It wrote: If this bill passes, I think that the motorist who will be using cell phones in their cars will be stacked up on the shoulder of the roads. Be prepared for accidents involving cars parked on the shoulders of the road.
Just today I was going East on Route 6 from Millington to Smyrna at 55MPH (a 50MPH zone). A youing girl travelling in the same direction came from behind me, crossed over a double line into oncoming traffic nearly colliding with a car on the other side. Shw swerved left nd right nearly going into a ditch, or at least someone's mailbox. And lo and behold, stuck in her ear was a cell phone.
Not only was she not satisfied that I5 miles over the limit was not fast enough for her, she decides that painted double yellow lines are there just for show and one-handed driving at higher speeds is ok. Compounding all this is the distraction of the cell phone.
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 04:58 pm |
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| If this bill passes, I think that the motorist who will be using cell phones in their cars will be stacked up on the shoulder of the roads. Be prepared for accidents involving cars parked on the shoulders of the road.
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 03:22 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Cell phone bill gets reconnected by legislator
Scott hopes latest proposal will have more success than last one
By Leah Burcat
Delaware State News
DOVER — Although legislation banning the use of hand-held cell phones while driving introduced earlier this year had to be watered down to obtain enough votes to pass, it looks as though a cell-phone ban may still be possible this session.
Rep. Darryl M. Scott, D-Dover, introduced new legislation on Tuesday that would prohibit the use of all cell phones while operating a motor vehicle on the highways of the state.
"I think we all agree it’s important to drive without distractions, and cell phones are a distraction," said Rep. Scott.
House Bill 229 calls for a penalty of at least $50, but no more than $100, for the first offense. For each subsequent offense the violator would be fined at least $100 but not more than $200.
Drivers would not be fined for emergency calls to 911.
In January, Rep. Joseph E. Miro, R-Pike Creek, introduced similar legislation that would ban the use of hand-held cell phones while driving in Delaware.
The legislation, House Bill 40, received tough criticism from some who said it would disrupt businesses trying to connect with their employees.
Last month, it was brought up on the House floor on two separate occasions with lengthy discussions.
During its first appearance, the legislation ran into myriad problems and its discussion quickly escalated into chaos.
Legislators wanted exemptions for the operators of ham radios, for those who use the walkie-talkie feature on their phone and for those using their phone for work purposes.
Lawmakers began to wonder how police officers would be able to enforce the law.
Amendments — and amendments to amendments — started to come out of the woodwork.
A statement made by Rep. Daniel B. Short, R-Seaford, seemed to sum up the confusion in Tuesday’s debate.
"Your amendment to the amendment does not amend anything in the amendment," he said.
Two days later, it was brought back in a new form — a ban on sending text messages while operating a moving motor vehicle.
The legislation passed 39 to 1 and awaits a committee hearing in the Senate.
Despite the problems faced by its predecessor, Rep. Scott believes his bill can weather the storm.
"I’m hopeful," he said of it passing.
Rep. Miro said he had not read House Bill 229 as of Tuesday evening and was unable to comment on it.
The legislation has been assigned to the House Public Safety & Homeland Security Committee. It is scheduled for a hearing at 2:30 p.m. today.
Staff writer Leah Burcat can be reached at 741-8250 or lburcat@newszap.com.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 09:01 pm |
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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinion by clicking on "Reply."
After a couple of years of asking, for someone, anyone in our state legislatures to introduce some kind of legislation to ban the use of "cell phones" while you are driving your car, truck, whatever, has again fallen on deaf ears.
Rep. Joe Mirro has again had to backoff from his bill of "no" cell phone use while driving a vehicle. He had to take a "No texting" while driving ammendment to his bill and allow a driver to read their text messages while driving their vehicles. Some legislatures and a Delaware state trooper have made the statement, how do you enforce a no cell phone use while driving citation? There are a couple of ways, #1 you use the "same eyes" you use to cite seatbelt violators, you can spot sell phone use a lot better than who is not wearing a seatbelt. #2 If all else fails legislatures & state police, try calling the New Jersey State Police, the Philadelphia Police Dept. the New York State Police as they are enforcing this law now.
Have an ounce of guts for one time in your life legislatures, and go with Rep. Mirros original bill and do it sooner rather than later before more are killed or seriously injured. You folks are the worst offenders of this cell phone use, and this is why it will not see the light of day anytime soon. This is another reason why there should be "term limits" in the state of Delaware and the U.S. governments. As a voter and life time resident, I look forward to the next election.
Don George
Harrington
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