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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."

 

Follow-up Observations from an Outlaw


I can no longer legally comment about the column I wrote last week, regarding gay marriage. My comments are now illegal. Biblical views I represented are now "hate crimes" and must be avoided. The Bible must now be censored so that God will not be so politically incorrect. Americans still retain the freedom of speech to burn flags, disparage the military or promote communism, etc. but not to present teachings from the Bible (or Koran, for that matter). People holding such views must be regarded as hateful bigots. We obviously don’t need any more people like George Washington, John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln, or Martin Luther King, Jr.


They obviously did not realize how skewed their beliefs really were. We are now enlightened and God will just have to catch up with us or be dismissed.


God is obviously misinformed.


So I am writing to inform you of my new situation. Exercise caution before associating with me and my kind, for I now stand as an outlaw. And to those reading this response, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey [men] rather than God." "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." (references: Acts 4:19, Joshua 24:15).


Rev. Jeffrey A. Collins


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Copied below is a guest commentary submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."

 

By Eileen B. Beveridge


With the passage of SB 121, is Delaware headed right straight down the highway toward legalized gay marriage?


House Majority Leader Peter Schwartzkopf, D-Rehoboth Beach, says no, at least as it concerns HB5, which was similar to SB121.


But most likely Schwartzkopf is wrong. It is true that neither SB121 or HB5 mention gay marriage. It also is beside the point. Part of the problem here is that legislators didn’t listen to the lawyers who told them about unintended consequences. One suspects, without any polling data, that a big majority of Delaware voters oppose same-sex marriage.


When last November’s voters opted for a liberal Democrat for governor and then upended two decades of Republican majorities in the House, you get a liberal outcome. Further, by increasing the Democratic majority in the Senate by electing a couple more liberals in heretofore Republican districts, the voters diminished the ability of (the late) Senate President Pro Tem Thurman G. Adams Jr., D-Bridgeville, to stop things like HB5.


So what happens. Thurman Adams dies after a long illness one day and just a couple days later, the Senate turns its back on his lifetime of opposition and passes the thing overwhelmingly, though mostly on a party-line vote. Their proponents say they’re not. But if you ask me, this enactment is merely the runup to legalizing gay marriage in Delaware.


Lawyers tell us that this enactment engrains in Delaware law the notion that sexual orientation or preference is somehow on a par with race, gender or physical handicap. Nearly anyone knows that there has been plenty of discrimination over the years on the basis of race and gender. We even had slaves in Delaware before slavery was repealed by the 13th amendment to the U.S. Constitution. But there is no empirical evidence that there is discrimination against a person on account of sexual orientation.


The most immediate danger from this bill is that it will loose a flood of lawsuits against small businesses and landlords. For example, you didn’t get the job you applied for at the XYZ Company, and you say it is because the employer perceived that you are gay. You sue and the business has to prove that you didn’t get the job because the employer perceived you are gay. This is mind-reading.


This sounds like the plaintiffs’ lawyers full-employment act of all time.


Moreover, the real danger, according to a lawyer friend, is that once sexual orientation is engrained in state law, the Delaware Supreme Court may feel impelled to rule as the high courts of Massachusetts, California and Iowa have. This is based on state constitutional provisions concerning equal protection of the laws.


One might even be surprised that this happened in Iowa, hardly a true-blue state. But the Iowa court, with two justices appointed by conservative Republican governors a few years ago, ruled unanimously in favor of gay marriage. Gay and lesbian weddings began there on April 24. And yes, the ruling was on the basis of equal protection of the laws.


In California, it took a ballot initiative to overturn that state court’s ruling. But there is no "initiative and referendum" in Iowa or Delaware.


We have a state law prohibiting same-sex marriage in Delaware.


However, now it may be unconstitutional.


Eileen B. Beveridge is an officer in the Sussex County Republican Women’s Club. She is retired and resides at Broadkill Beach.

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the so called democatic--- Socialist/communist  party. let's them undereducated 18 year old and above keep voting.

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We live in a 1 party Country friend.

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Playing the Game wrote: I think the Sunshine laws had a big part to play and rightly so.  No one man should have the power to decide what Legislation makes it to debate.
True.  Though not much debate despite the opposition. Might as well face the facts, we live in a one party state.

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I think the Sunshine laws had a big part to play and rightly so.  No one man should have the power to decide what Legislation makes it to debate.

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Yes, Mr Adams was a staunch opposer of this legislation. I am sure many people think the same thing. All the accolades from his colleagues are superfluous. Some show of respect. May he rest in peace.

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This just doesnt make a whole lot of sense.For 10 years Senator Adams stuffs this bill in the desk drawer and it does not reach the floor for a vote.

Now,in a real head scratcher,for some reason the bill manages to escape the desk drawer veto,Adams dies on Tuesday and the bill is passed by the Senate and the House on Wednesday.

One hates to look for conspiracy theories under every bed,but it seems odd that no one else finds this baffling.Was Adams so sick he forgot to "file" the bill away? Did he have a deathbed change of heart? Did some liberal slip into his office after his passing and bust open his desk drawer? I have not seen this addressed in any of the State Journal articles.I dont like the outcome of the vote,but the point is why did this get voted on when it never did before.looking for somebody who knows the straight scoop,not just silly speculation like mine above.

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They just don't hear the majority, its a sad day for this state. There were enough laws on the books protecting the rights of all without pandering to, based on some of the dialogue in these forums on this subject, to those who believe that they are somehow entitled to special treatment because they practice deviant sexual behavior. I realize that those who choose to live this lifestyle believe it to be completely relevant and normal but....It makes me want to throw-up. Those who do not agree with what our new "nanny state" government are doing, REMEMBER TO MAKE YOUR VOTE HEARD.

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What do you think?

From the Delaware State News:

Gay rights bill passes in Senate, House


Anti-discrimination legislation approved after long fight


By Leah Burcat and Lydia Woolever


Delaware State News


DOVER — Although some members of the General Assembly tried to delay the passage of the anti-discrimination bill with long-winded discussion and the introduction of various amendments, the legislation cleared both chambers Wednesday evening, ending a decade-long battle.


"Today is a great day," said Rep. William A. Oberle, R-Beecher’s Lot. "This day is long overdue."


For years, Rep. Oberle had championed the issue, which would ban discrimination based on sexual orientation.


The legislation passed on Wednesday, Senate Bill 121, would add the term "sexual orientation" to the already-existing list of prohibited practices of discrimination.


It would forbid discrimination against a person on the basis of sexual orientation in housing, employment, public works contracting, public accommodations and insurance.


And while over the last decade similarly worded legislation would typically pass in the House, it would die by desk-drawer veto in the Senate.


Just a few months ago, it appeared the legislation would once again not become law.


A duplicate bill, House Bill 5, was voted down in the Senate Executive Committee after passing in the House.


After some behind-the-scenes work by Sen. David P. Sokola, D-Newark, the legislation re-emerged earlier this month.


It was released from the Senate Insurance Committee last week and supporters said it had the votes to pass in the Senate.


On Wednesday, although it passed decisively with a 14-5 vote, it encountered a good deal of opposition.


Sen. Robert L. Venables, D-Laurel, tacked on three amendments that bill sponsor Sen. Sokola identified as being unfriendly.


The first amendment would have spelled out that the bill did not allow same-sex marriages, the second would have prohibited schools from acknowledging or teaching about homosexuality and the third would have given an exemption to those whose religious beliefs put them in opposition to the law.


Sen. Venables and Sen. F. Gary Simpson, R-Milford, each called multiple witnesses to the stand to discuss each of those amendments, leading the floor debate to last for more than three hours.


"Certainly in my heart, I have no animosity toward anybody," said Sen. Venables. "These are just guarantees."


After much discussion, all three amendments were defeated.


At 7:30 p.m., the much-awaited and anticipated vote occurred, and the bill passed.


"It was time," said Sen. Karen Peterson, D-Stanton. "Some good things take a long time. I’m delighted."


Those from the other side said they were discouraged by the vote.


"I’m disappointed," said Sen. Colin R.J. Bonini, R-Camden. "Show me where the problem was."


House members, who had finished the rest of their work hours earlier, had waited around so they could take up the legislation after it passed in the Senate. Moments after the vote in the Senate was tallied, the bells signifying the reconvening of the House started to toll.


In the House, similar amendments were once again filed, but the discussion went much quicker.


After less than an hour of debate, the bill had passed.


"I’m very happy," said House Majority Leader Rep. Peter C. Schwartzkopf, D-Rehoboth Beach. "The bottom line is, the bill is going to the governor and when he signs it, it becomes law."


And for those who worked on the legislation over the past decade, Wednesday was the day they had been dreaming about for years.


"When you believe something is right, it isn’t hard to maintain focus and energy," said Drew Fennell, executive director of the Delaware branch of the American Civil Liberties Union. "I’m grateful for the outcome. I know it’s been a lot of work for a lot of people."


The legislation now travels to Gov. Jack A. Markell’s office. He has said he will sign the bill.


Staff writer Leah Burcat can be reached at 741-8250 or lburcat@newszap.com. Lydia Woolever can be reached at lwoolever@newszap.com.

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Guys congress cant make a criminal committing say pedophilia a protected person. that doesnt make sense. they can not be giving such people protection.

what is meant by protected class?

 

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What a strange state of affairs. Congress brings out a bill that will widen the range of permissible sexual acts under the guise of protecting homosexuals and our state lawmakers follow the lead. On the other hand we have a state run website identifying sex offenders that people watch and comment on constantly 'warning' others about such people in their neighborhood. I wonder if the sexual predator website will have to come down under this new law the state Senate is pushing now. Many of those people are apparently on the state blacklist because of consensual acts , too , so......

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In the US Congress the forthcoming S.909 will mirror a House bill H.R. 1913, already passed 249-175 along strict party lines, which makes "sexual orientation," "gender," and "gender identity" into federally-protected classes under the law, and codifies federal protection of up to 547 types of sexually deviant behaviors, including: 

* Incest – sex with one’s offspring (a crime, of course)
* Necrophilia – sexual relations with a corpse, also a crime
* Pedophilia – sex with an underage child, another crime
* Zoophilia – bestiality, a crime in numerous states
* Voyeurism – a criminal offense in most states
* Fronteurism – a man rubbing against an unknown woman’s buttocks
* Coprophilia – sexual arousal from feces
* Urophilia – sexual arousal from urine

Attempts by House Republicans to add amendments stating "pedophilia is not protected as a sexual orientation" were specifically blocked and defeated by House Democrats.  Lesbian Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) expressed opposition to excluding pedophiles from the bill, and Democrats voted with her to strike any child-protection amendment. She claimed that pedophiles would not be defined within “sexual orientation,” but wouldn't put that in writing, and refused to define that phrase "sexual orientation," which according to the American Psychiatric Association includes all 547 sexual deviances listed in their DSM-III manual of clinical psychoses, including pedophilia, so now thanks to most Democrats, child molesters will be protected by federal law.

"Change we can believe in." (Obama campaign slogan)

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Cheryl What do you expect from the brain dead monkeys running this state? A clear and consise bill? :D

first of all Churches should not be renting property unless its wedding related. Is my appartment a public accomodation cos the landlord rented it? NO. Thats a silly leap of legal logic.

Even if it where legally correct that it becomes public accomodations how does that infringe of the religous liberties? it doesnt. If you and your church are so paranoid you might rent to a gay then dont rent at all. You all come up with these ridiculous senarios that somehow infringe on what you think is a religious right.

IT IS NOT NOW NOR WILL IT EVER BE A RIGHT FOR YOU OR YOUR CHURCH TO TELL THE REST OF US HOW WE SHOULD LIVE AND WHAT A MARRIAGE IS. simply put you all are ticked cos the rest of us are saying shut up we are tired or hearing what your views are. And no telling you to shut up is not infringing upon your freedom of speach.

i see you are afraid someone might tell your children that the crap you told them isnt accurate occording to others. Then home school your kids

 

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Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Delaware State News. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."

 

    Why would our government force our churches to do something contrary to their beliefs? This is what SB121 will do. This bill does not protect our churches and religious organizations fully. If a church rents or charges a fee for any part of the property they own it may make the church property considered a public accommodation. This is an infringement of religious liberties and needs to be addressed before SB121 come up for a vote.

In all other civil rights legislation that has been written in the United States, I have never seen such obvious omissions that I have seen in SB121. This is an open door for litigation and nothing more. Are some people of color covered but not others?, Are some handicaps covered but not others? Yet SB121, when it was originally drafted as HB 5, defined sexual orientation as “Sexual orientation” exclusively means heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, or gender identity or expression, whether real or perceived.”? This was a definition provided by the gay community. Why did our lawmakers change this wording? It could be because our lawmakers realized that gender identity is not fixed at birth. Ironically, there is no scientific information that homosexuality or bi-sexuality is fixed at birth either but some of our lawmakers want to make this a protected class. Who foots the legal bill when others come forward and want their sexuality protected?

Lastly, when our legislators want us to agree with a bill they want passed, they will often times quote how many other states in the U.S. are doing the same thing. When constituents go to some legislators and tell them what they are seeing in the surrounding states that have added the words “sexual orientation” to their laws, it falls on deaf ears. Don’t be fooled –our children as young as 5 will be indoctrinated if this legislation passes without an education protection clause. To me, it is one thing to talk to our children about different types of families, but it is another to tell young children about how someone’s sexuality makes their family different.

Cheryl Precourt

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Playing the Game wrote: So if Onanism is my thing, can I get benefits for my right hand?
NOOOOO!:)

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So if Onanism is my thing, can I get benefits for my right hand?

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Lavitakus wrote: no one else wrote: my sexual orientation is towards animals, is that ok?  Some sheep look fine to some people.
:shock: 

Very bad move, Lav.  You left off the very first words of his sentence ... "So if ...my sexual orientation is towards animals, is that ok?" 

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no one else wrote: my sexual orientation is towards animals, is that ok?  Some sheep look fine to some people.

 

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no one else wrote: So if my sexual orientation is towards animals, is that ok?  Some sheep look fine to some people. What if it were towards the dead?  How about NAMBLA and their sexual orientation toward young boys?  The legislation does not distinguish a specific set of prohibitions rather it says "anything goes."goober sexual orientation is either towards males or females. Not animals or underaged persons

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So if my sexual orientation is towards animals, is that ok?  Some sheep look fine to some people. Would I be prohibited from working in a pet store, or a farm or ranch? What if it were towards the dead? Funeral homes pay ok for help.  If that were my preference, would I be banned?  How about NAMBLA and their sexual orientation toward young boys?  The legislation does not distinguish a specific set of prohibitions rather it says "anything goes."  Until you research the possibilities, you will not see the absurdity of this bill.

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What do you think?

From the Delaware State News:

Gay rights bill passes major hurdle


Anti-discrimination legislation approved by Senate committee


By Leah Burcat


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DOVER — There have not been many situations at Legislative Hall in recent months that make people want to jump up and cheer, but that was exactly the case on Wednesday as legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation cleared the Senate Insurance Committee.


"I don’t think there’s anything we do as legislators as important as protecting civil rights," said Senate Majority Whip Sen. Patricia M. Blevins, D-Elsmere.


Senate Bill 121 would add the term "sexual orientation" to the already-existing list of prohibited practices of discrimination.


It would forbid discrimination against a person on the basis of sexual orientation in housing, employment, public works contracting, public accommodations and insurance.


The bill has 24 co-sponsors.


After similar legislation failed to garner support in the Senate Executive Committee last month, it looked like the issue may have died.


But Sen. David P. Sokola, D-Newark, introduced Senate Bill 121 last week and had it assigned to a committee with members who supported the legislation.


Asked how that came to be, Sen. Sokola said it was due to "a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff."


At Wednesday’s committee hearing, individuals on both sides of the issue took center stage.


Those in opposition said it was unnecessary, would cause problems for small businesses and would lead to homosexuality being taught in the public schools.


"By adding sexual orientation as a protected class, my concern is for lawsuits," said Eric Bodenweiser, of Georgetown. "Businesses often have to throw in the towel."


"Because Senate Bill 121, if passed, would change public policy in the educational establishment as it has in other states, why not Delaware too?" asked Nicole Theis, of the Delaware Family Policy Council.


But individuals who supported the legislation said it was crucial and would not affect public education.


Deborah Gottschalk, an attorney with the Community Legal Aid Society, said that in the last ten years she has represented two low-income housing tenants who were evicted due to sexual orientation and one individual facing employment discrimination.


The legislation is important for ensuring equal rights for all, said Bob Martz, of Wilmington.


His mother was born at a time when women could not vote, he said. He was born at a time when African Americans and white Americans could not marry. Children born today should not come into a society of discrimination, he said.


The anti-discrimination legislation has been introduced multiple times over the past 10 years.


At the time it was first introduced, five other states had already instituted similar laws — today more than 20 states have such laws, Sen. Sokola said.


When it was announced that the legislation had been released from committee, much of the crowd stood up and cheered. Those in opposition remained in their seats.


"We’re not home, but we’re pretty close," said Sen. Sokola.


Sen. Blevins said she believed the legislation had the votes to pass the Senate.


"This proves that the most important attribute in getting things done is persistence," she said.


Staff writer Leah Burcat can be reached at 741-8250 or lburcat@newszap.com.


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