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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 07:54 pm |
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I knew that you might say that about the First Amendment Arizonette.
I am aware of what the Bill of Rights entails. Did I say
that I could yell fire? No. I say that home schooling is a right. Prove me
wrong especially in Arizona. Heck, if a parent cannot homeschool because he or she is not a pro, then the following should be illegal:
1. Using a firearm to defend your home against rapists, murderers, and kidnappers.
Just call 911 or State Sponsored Dial a Prayer. Only cops should have guns.
2. Giving CPR to someone suffering from a heart attack. How dare you
try to save your poor mom. Call 911.
3. Giving your kid a hair cut without a license from the state. My cousin just did that yesterday. Call CPS.
4. Pulling someone out of their car after a collision. Some heroes pulled my aunt
and wife out of their cars in two separate incidents before the professionals arrived.
They ought to be punished for acting without professional training and permission
from the god leaders who some seem to worship.
You cannot debate well so your
so you use the old fig leaf known as the tin foil remark. I will not supplicate to
live the way I please so long as I hurt nobody.
You never opined on homeschooling. Should it be legal? Do we need even
more laws?
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Arizonette
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 06:54 pm |
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All rights are not guaranteed. Freedom of speech does not allow one to yell "Fire" in a crowded auditorium. Articles that maliciously slander another are also not protected under Free Speech. Any actions or rhetoric that instigates others to commit crimes will also land you in jail.
Of course if you are of the aluminum tin-foil hat brigade and see a repressive government behind every bush and incident that you do not believe in, none of this makes sense.
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flyrep
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 07:51 am |
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I started this on the premise that home schooling ought to be legal.
All agreed except you, which is fine. Public education is a great
concept, but it has been perverted. I aim to change that legally and turn it
into the system that it once was. I addressed all of your points and
answered your questions. I was civil, but you attacked me instead of debating.
You did admit that homeschoolers often outperform public school students
and that there is a flight of top students from public schools. What would
you expect? Do these students and their parents need permission from
you, state assemblies, judges, and governors to home school? Not in this state.
This is not California if you haven't noticed. Homeschooling is a right
no matter what a majority or minority says. You are in the minority though.
If, however, the majority of Arizonans asserted that home schooling and the Bill of
Rights should be reversed, they would be wrong. Universal truths and natural rights
are bullet proof. I will continue to support and defend the Constitution
as a teacher and citizen. The republic will be restored. I repeat,
many of the nation's most revered Presidents were taught at home
throughout all or most of their childhood years. Many Californians agree
with me, but Arizona will not go in that direction if I can help it.
   class=sqq“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” Sam Adams
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 07:18 am |
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Excuse me flyrep. I misunderstood the purpose of this forum and thought it was a discussion about the relative merits of home schooling versus public schooling. So, I didn't understand why you wanted to obfuscate the issue and not directly address any of my points or answer my questions.
After reading the link you gave me, I now understand this is more of a political crusade with you, and really has nothing to do with home schooling per se. I really am surprised that you can agree with this literature and continue to work in the system that is so abhorent to your beliefs. I guess that old paycheck is more important than your ideals.
I have no fault with Charter schools, public schools, private schools, church schools, etc. As I stated in my first post, I think home schooling by unqualified individuals is nonsense. Actually I should say I think home schooling is a dumb concept that produces individuals who have never learned to interact with their peers on a social level.
Because I have no desire to get into a right wing political discussion with someone who is going to save the republic I will end my participation in this forum.
Good luck with your crusade.
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flyrep
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 05:46 am |
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I like my job and school district, thank you very much. I also earn that paycheck.
I do not like AJ schools and even if I did, no government is going to tell me how
to educate my children certificate or no certificate. I advocate legitimate
government and do not need to apologize for working for my district. I took
an oath to support our founding documents. I don't think that those
judges in CA defend the Constitution. On the contrary, they violate it
and ought to be disbarred in my opinion.
Just because I serve a school district does not mean that they own
me. It would be the same if I worked in the private sector.
Yes, Hitler was against homeschooling so mentioning it is relevant to this
issue. Do you mean to say that if I die and my wife
cannot afford to send our children to a private school, she must send them
to a public school? Do you really think that? It is not going to happen in
this state. We also have charter schools? Do those offend you?
I attended private schools K-12 as per my parents' wishes. I then attended
public universities. One can get a good education in different places, but
too many of the public schools are under federal control and subscribe to
globalist propaganda. I intend to help restore the republic to what the founding
fathers envisioned: less government, more freedom and responsibility.
Washington and Lincoln were both home schooled. Taking that away
is crossing the line and will not be tolerated by free men and women.
It is my way when it comes to my rights and I violate no man's rights by
homeschooling.
If some parents cannot homeschool then, I am sad for their children. Many public
schools cause more damage than the parents you mentioned. I should not
and will not be punished for their incompetence. May I suggest a free
book from an award winning public school teacher with over 30 years
experience? Here is the link and you can download the book if you like.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
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Winterguy
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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 10:50 pm |
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Wow! With an attitude like that you must really be ashamed to pick up your pay check.
Perhaps if you did your job as a public school teacher your students would do better.
You say you and your wife home school your children. As a certified teacher you certainly meet the requirements. And, I see no problem with your wife serving as a teachers aid. But, I ask you again, should any ignoramus who happens to be a parent be allowed to home school? If your answer is yes I must ask why we need certified teachers at all, in or out of school? Your argument seems to say uncertified home school parents are doing a better job anyway.
I would never propose that you have to send your kids to a public school. There are many excellent private schools available.
You say you are not a slave of the state, but I notice you feed at the public trough. Have you ever thought what would happen to your income if everyone home schooled their children?
I do not believe your home schooling does not cost the state anything, but I will give you that point because I am only familiar with the huge amounts that California throws at home schooling.
One aspect of home schooling and private schooling that is seldom discussed is the fact it is often the brightest students who are pulled out of the public schools for these alternative methods. So, it is hardly surprising the home schoolers outperform the average kids. You have in essence dumbed down the very school in which you teach.
Please don't throw the Hitler card at me. I was simply trying to create an intelligent dialogue on the other side of the issue. Perhaps in your classes it's your way or the highway, but where I went to school we discussed, reasonably, both sides of the issues. But hey, what can you expect from a public school graduate? You didn't happen to attend public schools, did you?
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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 08:52 pm |
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I am a public school teacher and my wife and I home school. My wife is not
certified. The state can go to blazes if they think that my wife will stop home schooling. It is not negotiable. We do not cost the state a thing by the way. If any Arizona politician
tries this garbage we have the recall option. You propose using unjust force
to make the parents fill up the schools. That is tyranny sir and a slippery slope.
What else should the parents give up? How about we force them to send the
kiddies to the city parks and recreation since we are too dumb to plan their
free time activities? That will require the hiring of more workers which the
cities cannot afford. If you force us to go to our neighborhood school, the quality
can drop without sufficient choices. Besides, homeschoolers outperform
public school students almost every time.
Nobody will force me to send my children
to the AJ school district as I don't trust their leadership at all. Don't forget that
Hitler banned homeschooling in 1938. I am not a slave of the state and will
not submit to this nonsense in California. This is Arizona and we defend
freedom unlike many other parts of the country.
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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 07:32 am |
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I'm quite happy to hear that someone in California has come to their senses and put a stop to this nonsense.
Think about it - any idiot can become a parent, but it takes training and education to become a qualified teacher. Should any parent, regardless of their ignorance be allowed to teach their children? I think not.
Another aspect concerns the millions of dollars the state spends on home schooling. Oh yes! The taxpayers foot the bill for textbooks, computers, transportation to 'educational' events, zoos, the beach, etc. Perhaps if we can get some of this money back into the public school system teachers won't have to take money out of their own pockets to buy the basic supplies.
Nope, you are wrong. I am not a teacher. Never have had any desire to be one. All my kids went to public schools and are doing very well in life.
Take a look at a dozen of your closest friends with children and ask yourself if you would want them to teach your children. If your answer is no, why on earth should they be teaching their own kids at your expense?
I sure hope this trend spreads across the nation and brings back a little sanity to our educational system.
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Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 07:27 am |
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| I will never understand how or why people feel its okay for the gov. to tell us what to do, how to do it, when and such. People are too use to being taken care of by the Gov.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 09:38 pm |
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| I think california should secede from the union. Those people are so far over the top it's not even funny any more.
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 12:08 am |
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/MNJDVF0F1.DTL
This is a government out of control. What ever happened to the Ninth
Amendment?
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