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Tiomo wrote: Yeah! Ok. I see you for your nonsense. I actually thought , as I said before that you had a spark of intelligence and maybe it could be fanned. Bit no. So I tried again. No more.
Goodbye. Rant on as you will.
Bit what rant are you talking about?
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Yeah! Ok. I see you for your nonsense. I actually thought , as I said before that you had a spark of intelligence and maybe it could be fanned. Bit no. So I tried again. No more.
Goodbye. Rant on as you will.
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Wow . . . Intellectual perverted pedophiles. I am truly amazed that one can justify anything if they try hard enough!
You sound very anti-Christian or anti-religious. Are you an atheist or LDS? Grasping at straws trying to make your universe make sense is very sad.
Look, I am not trying to convert you. I am just telling you what my perception of you and Gfere is based on your posts. You disparage current religion based on the past. You hate government, but have no alternative to provide the services and protections that you gladly accept. And you appear to say the pedophilia was once a necessity and therefore should be understood.
Your right, I don't pray for either or you. I do think you are sick!
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 03:56 pm |
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Then youre ignorant if you think thats what I stand for.
Just curious. How do you feel about that religion that was responsible for the Crusades and Holy Inquisition in order to do away with those who did not accept them. They are still active today, in fact. When you say you "pray" to what ever for what ever, is that the god you pray to?
What about the other religion that comitted genocide of the Canaanites in the name of ethnic cleansing and believed that God gave them the order to do it so that they could kill the inhabitants, slaughter the men, women and children, and then march in and take their possessions and praise God for it.
How about the religion of that guy who said that anything jewish should be burned and what wont burn should be buried? No. Im not talking about Hitler. Im talking about Martin Luther and his followers today who are known as Lutherans.
Or do you condemn the Muslims today who engage in the same practices that were once a part of the others while happily proclaiming your own moral superiority while participating in a religion that has all of that as its legacy?
What about John Calvin who had a man burned at the stake because he wrote a tract against the idea of the trinity. His followers are known as Presbyterians.
There is in fact a great deal that has to do with perception isnt there? It is not as simple as absolute moral issues of today though people today do seem to think that they have arrived at the more civilized stages and that in spite of past errors " thank God we finally got it right" and this is how it always should have been and, if not for the corruption of amoral barbarians like me, should always be.
WAKE UP CALL! Your ancestors were what you would call pedophiles and they were because they had to be. It was not immoral; it was necessary and expected. You wouldnt be here now if they werent!Furthermore, they would be shocked and outraged at your opinion of them for being such barbaric apes!Perhaps not so in America today because it isnt needed but it does have roots that cant be ignored in the present because of pretended moral superiority.
Im not asking you to agree with me. If you did I would know I was on the wrong track. Nor do I claim I have any final answers.I am asking you to acknowlege that there is a bigger picture that this whole thing has unfolded within. Think outside the box. Throw off the Politically Correct crap you are accoustomed to and entertain another possibility for a second, that life extends beyond the present, forward and backward, and that the ideas you entertain ( me as well) are actually, in the scope of human history , new and radical.
I dont support pedophilia and god have mercy on the soul that touches my daughters because I wont show any( and I am fully expecting some dumb comment here). But I can still have enough common sense to know that this issue stands beyond my present view, that until recently, marraige with what we call underage was the norm and for reasons, had I lived then my view would be different than it is now ( as would yours whether you deny it or not because you, especially you, are not able to think outside of your conditioning let alone time frame), and your present so called morals have no relevance to then and how then affects the now.
What will end up happening, as it always does, is that Big Brother will storm in, pretend to be protecting the children, and in the end cause more harm than the FLDS ever could have because Big Brother is INCOMPETENT!
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SayItIsntTrue wrote: ConnecticutKnight wrote: Tiomo wrote: Pray in one hand wish in the other. Its over your head. Good night
Ahhh! Another NAMBA or LDS Polygamy supporter.
LDS has nothing to do with the FLDS. You might want to take a history class. Then explain what the "LDS" on "FLDS" stands for. The need to start some publicity not only disassociating themselves from what is perceived as a splinter group but condemning their practices and excommunicating all who join (if they have excommunication).
I accept what they practice based on freedom of religion as much as I accept a sect that believed in human sacrifice as a part of their religion. Both are barbaric and sick and and need to be stopped.
Other than that, IMO Tiomo and Gefere still come across as pedophiles and supporters of FLDS Polygamist!
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| I am not schooled in the difference between FLDS and LDS but the good one should be very upset with the pedophile one and force it to change its name. IMO
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ConnecticutKnight wrote: Tiomo wrote: Pray in one hand wish in the other. Its over your head. Good night
Ahhh! Another NAMBA or LDS Polygamy supporter.
LDS has nothing to do with the FLDS. You might want to take a history class.
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Tiomo wrote: Pray in one hand wish in the other. Its over your head. Good night
Ahhh! Another NAMBA or LDS Polygamy supporter.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 05:31 am |
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| Pray in one hand wish in the other. Its over your head. Good night
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Fascinating, you believe that perversion is acceptable if many are participating. Most people on the other hand do not have to be told that sex with a child is sick and abnormal, it is something you just know.
The only others that do not accept responsibility or feel guilt are sociopaths. It appears that you are borderline or have crossed over. I doubt if your believes were know, that even the polygamous sect of the LDS would welcome you, as yours is even more perverted. I pray that you will seek help.
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Many historians do not believe that . A few with a Christian aggenda do, unfortunately, hold to that. And it is obvious that you are not a historian.
How did I know you still would not get it?
The thing that is unnerving here is that when I started this conversation I didnt think you could possibly be serious and so I followed it. But Ive come to see that you do believe it.
I owe you an apology. I truly didnt realize when I started this that you were an emotional and intellectual invalid. And I realize that there are a large group of you and I am frankly glad that they are the ones that have you on their side because you would be a liability to the rest of us who can have a thought not generated from raw emotion and Politically Correct Stimulus- Response.
So I wont disturb you further. I will let you be happy to conclude that You Told Me So! You Told Me And Set ME Straight! You really stuck it to me knight! You left me battered. Feel better?
I hope you will read a book or get on medication or something.
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Many historians believe the Roman Empire fell because of corruption and the fact that people either worked for the empire or were on the public dole (which is what the liberals would like to be in place now). But I am not a historian and I fail to see what the revelance is to raid of the FLDS.
Are you saying the polygomy and pedophillia is the small inconsequental small picture and that there is a larger picture, more earth jarring things going on that are more important, or is it just as I said . . . You are OK with that whole scenario.
Somehow your hypothesis has been or is being twisted and to used to justify pedophilia which is what bothers me the most. You may sound somewhat educated, but I would safely bet that you have porno somewhere in your life, but it is just a cultural anomaly for you, and I seriously doubt your children are just fine. . . . Maybe perverted like Dad.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12th, 2008 11:17 pm |
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I've already procreated and my children are doing fine thank you.
Obviously this issue is very emotionally loaded for you and you cant think clearly regarding it. Lets try something else, although it too, might be too highly charged.
Small picture: The Roman Empire fell in large part because of the infiltration of germanic people.
Big Picture: In the 2nd and 3rd centuries a series of migrations began in northern germany and scandanavia that led, to the need for more land and stable food, to movements that toppled an empire and this has and will always happen.
Small picture: We are being over run by illegals.
Big Picture: Same as above. Also, the United States exists as we know it due to a westward expansion triggered by the same factors that set a fire under the ancient germans. Also, discovery of gold, invention of the cotton gin, etc. And as WE moved westward we displaced and enslaved many people. Also, while we screamed andrailed against the nazis we put our own Japanese American citizens in concentration camps. Why? Because history moves the same way as people move. Always has , always will regardless of your morals and the propaganda youve swallowed to the contrary. Examples abound but for now that will do.
Here you are in 21st century America thinking that this is the way you know it, this is how it should be, the idea that is should, could or ever was or will be otherwise, affects you like finger nails on a slate.
Ok. So youre immature and cant fathom this.
But the same factors affect the issues of polygamy and pedophilia in this particular case whether or not you can grasp that. There is a bigger picture you dont seem capable of grasping.
We are floundering and suffering because our technology is mving faster than we can adjust to it. Therefore, when a computer shuts down a whole business may shut down as opposed to the days when we used paper and analogue cash registers. Things change and create problems. This FLDS is one of those situations. There is a big picture that you cant wrap your absolute morals around because of you are culturally myopic.
And that you cant grasp it and need my sympathy ( and you have it whether you want it or not) is made obvious by your silly responses that dont really say or adress anything but reveal a person deeply unaware of history, culture and completly insensitive to anything that cant get through the cerebral density. Thats how the nazis, black enslavement and Indian displacement started too, by the way... absolute morals and no ability to see past their/ your own conditioning.
I'm sorry for you.
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gfere wrote: you said:To date, you are the most revolting member I have had the misfortune to interact with. I always feel the need to wash and shower, do you have that effect on all contacts?
I say Thank you. Ive done well. As John Cleese as the Frenchman said " I fart in your general direction. ..Stay and I'll taunt you some more". I can only hope I have that effect on every one and your comments are ,to me, positive reenforcement.
But the fact remains that there are no absolute moral standards that apply to all times and places. Read it again and youll see thats what I said. Only pompous self delusion and self righteousness will say otherwise.
I guess I and others who see the relativism and historical big picture are beneath your high standards. I'll / we'll get over it.
Wait...hold on...there it goes...Im over it.
Don't pray and moralise around me and I promise not to think around you.
I leave you to your ego.
Don't judge the rest of the world because you and some others have no absolute moral values. You can change and twist them when ever you want, most will see just the evil. I pray to God you do not procreate.
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you said:To date, you are the most revolting member I have had the misfortune to interact with. I always feel the need to wash and shower, do you have that effect on all contacts?
I say Thank you. Ive done well. As John Cleese as the Frenchman said " I fart in your general direction. ..Stay and I'll taunt you some more". I can only hope I have that effect on every one and your comments are ,to me, positive reenforcement.
But the fact remains that there are no absolute moral standards that apply to all times and places. Read it again and youll see thats what I said. Only pompous self delusion and self righteousness will say otherwise.
I guess I and others who see the relativism and historical big picture are beneath your high standards. I'll / we'll get over it.
Wait...hold on...there it goes...Im over it.
Dont pray and moralise around me and I promise not to think around you.
I leave you to your ego.
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Thou dost protest to little. The tenor of one of your earlier post seem to contradict you disavowal. You sound as if old perverts and little girls were a good thing that our culture just stopped believing was good. You cannot straddle the fence, you either find that abhorrent or titillating. Same with polygamy, if you think children are not harmed by being raised in that environment, I would hope that you cleanse your gene pool and never even try and raise kids.
To date, you are the most revolting member I have had the misfortune to interact with. I always feel the need to wash and shower, do you have that effect on all contacts?
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Touche...thats french like Toushay! A well placed shot though sorry to dissapoint you, not a pedo.
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No, I was just going to point out that not once did you deny being a pedophile. Very telling isn't it. Members may not who you really are, but the admins do!
Is it just me, or are the only one who worry about surveillance and big brother are those who would not do their evil in the light of day . . . You do need the cover.
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Well, as simple minded and silly as that response is, you get taken down too. Each time Good Ol Big Brother sam takes away someone elses rights yours become more and more tenuous. It is not BB's job. And I'd bet you are the first to cry foul anytime you dont get what you feel entitled to but are the first to champion the right of the government to trod on anything any one else may hold sacred then wave a flag over it as long as you also, in your self righteousness also do not approve. But you make that flag a door mat when you say such things, a door mat every one including yourself wipes their feet on to suit their needs.
Frankkly, since you cant seem to say much except silly quips I'm not respnding to any more of them.
What will yill you say next? Something silly that begs the question like," if you dont like it here go somewhere else"? Thats what you were going to say wasnt it? How did I know that? Responses such as yours are generally rather predictable.
These few have been fun though as I have watched you take the bait.
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gfere wrote: Children need to be protected. My question is Big Brothers competence to do it. Too many times they have shown their willingness to go in with guns blazing like the inept fools they are.
I am aware of the political realities of today and the micro view of current events. I also know about the fanatic personality. But in the larger view customs are forced upon us before we can adapt and rid ourselves of the old. Wgat we today regard as pedophilia was once regarded as marraige and raising of the young uns whether it offends modern sensibilities or not. Young girls were healthy and strong, it required young healthy girls to have strong healthy babies and it was just how it was. Ok. The dynamics have changed but the beliefs that grew out of them have not necesarily kept pace.
We try to keep OUR kids from becoming pregnant until they were adults but THEIR children in earlier times were adults at that age and they could hardly wait to get them to do what we try so hard to stop them from doing today.
There was a reason for polygamy. The reason is obvious. But as far as I am concerned there is absolutly no reason why consenting adults should not enter into any arrangement they choose, polygamy included...if they are consenting adults.
If children ( by todays standards) are at risk then they should be rescued. I simply dont trust Sammy to get the job done in any way that makes sense and I am not sure that their solutions are any better than the problems they are trying to solve especially if they only serve to make more problems...and they will.
gfere
If the parents won't do it, and perverts have champions like you, I say let Big Brother take you all down!
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I never accused you of anything. I am saying that any 50 year old pervert that has sex with a pre-18 year old girl should be neutered!
Are these 'men' so egotistical to think that their genes are so pure, holy or whatever that they have to be passed on to future generations?
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Hmmmmm. You seem to be under the impression that Im a mormon. You would be mistaken. And you would also be wrong in your statement about polygamy not being healthy. There is nothing inherently more unhealthy about polygamy than monogamy and if you dispute that dispute it with a brick wall because history ,thousands of years of it, proves you wrong and that in the history of mankind monogamy is a relatively new concept, like freedom, that hasnt worked yet because there are still too many kinks in it.
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There is one girl that is 16 years old and has 4 kids by some 50 year old PERVERT!
How people acted in the past, is just that, PAST! This is 2008, please join the world in the 21st century!
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You can rationalize all you want. The bottom line is if you think multiple sex partners/wives creates a healthy environment for children; if you believe it is acceptable to force children into marrige and childbearing against their will . . . .Then you are nothing but perverted pedophille.
Hide behind religion all you want, but clear thinking good people will always see right through you. Are you a member of NAMBA, the child lovers?. Come out and profess your sick beliefs in my neighborhood and expect to leave with fewer body parts.
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You can rationalize all you want. The bottom line is if you think multiple sex partners/wives creates a healthy environment for children; if you believe it is acceptable to force children into marrige and childbearing against their will . . . .Then you are nothing but perverted pedophille.
Hide behind religion all you want, but clear thinking good people will always see right through you. Are you a member of NAMBA, the child lovers?. Come out and profess your sick beliefs in my neighborhood and expect to leave with fewer body parts.
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Children need to be protected. My question is Big Brothers competence to do it. Too many times they have shown their willingness to go in with guns blazing like the inept fools they are.
I am aware of the political realities of today and the micro view of current events. I also know about the fanatic personality. But in the larger view customs are forced upon us before we can adapt and rid ourselves of the old. Wgat we today regard as pedophilia was once regarded as marraige and raising of the young uns whether it offends modern sensibilities or not. Young girls were healthy and strong, it required young healthy girls to have strong healthy babies and it was just how it was. Ok. The dynamics have changed but the beliefs that grew out of them have not necesarily kept pace.
We try to keep OUR kids from becoming pregnant until they were adults but THEIR children in earlier times were adults at that age and they could hardly wait to get them to do what we try so hard to stop them from doing today.
There was a reason for polygamy. The reason is obvious. But as far as I am concerned there is absolutly no reason why consenting adults should not enter into any arrangement they choose, polygamy included...if they are consenting adults.
If children ( by todays standards) are at risk then they should be rescued. I simply dont trust Sammy to get the job done in any way that makes sense and I am not sure that their solutions are any better than the problems they are trying to solve especially if they only serve to make more problems...and they will.
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| Now we are going to have a pedophille with an aluminum hat!
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The thing is, Koresh was clear. His weapons were legal and no charges ever stuck. It was a conspiracy. The FLSD may not have resisted because they know Big Brother sam is ready to shoot them down. Look up John Singer in the old homeschool case.
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I am still learning about what happened in Texas recently, but
Waco was pure tyranny. The BATF did not care a wit about anybody.
They wanted more federal funds so they pulled a stunt that got
four of their own killed. Their comrades cared, but Reno and higher up
BATF leaders could have cared less for the agents or the dead children weeks
later. The sheriff could have arrested David K. anytime as he jogged
off the Davidian property. In fact, the sheriff said that he had nothing
on the Davidians. By the way, a sheriff can tell the feds to do nothing
without his or her say so. Some of them are beginning to tell them
just that.
http://constitutionallawenforcementassoc.blogspot.com/
http://infohack.newsvine.com/_news/2007/02/24/584050-wyoming-sheriffs-put-feds-in-their-place
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gfere wrote: wouldnt want to do that. People might start thinking its a sin
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Maybe we should check and see if there is a Jeffery on the State Pedophille Locator . . . . Is it litlle boys for you or does it make a difference?
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wouldnt want to do that. People might start thinking its a sin
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| Watch out gfer's you polygimist LDS will give pedophilles a bad name!
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gfere wrote: Women obey your husbands
St. Paul
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Women obey your husbands
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FROM http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VV5PIO0&show_article=1
"The discovery of the marriage beds in the temple was revealed Wednesday"
"Court documents said a number of teen girls at the compound were pregnant,"
"Another 139 women left on their own."
"Texas has an outstanding arrest warrant for the man alleged to have been the girl's husband, Dale Barlow, 50. He's a registered sex offender who pleaded no contest to conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor in Mohave County, Ariz., last year. "
Sounds like are real world CLASS religion that subjugates women, like Islam does!
Why does Arizona ignore this up north, is it because of the clout of the LDS church?
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gfere
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Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 12:49 am |
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I could be wrong but I bet Im not. Nothing will come of it nor should it. Just more self righteous American crap about how everyone else should live and fit the mold in a one size fits all world. The Davidians were guilty of nothing yet attacked and burned out anyway. So it will be with these people. Has nothing to do with safety and children. Thats nonsense. The Davidians were justified in shooting back and these people would have been too. But Big Brother Sam has already demonstrated that in the land of liberty and justice for all you'll get burned up quick if you dont fit the mold, if you protest to loudly or do anything unique.
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ajbizowner
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 05:37 pm |
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How come Texas can raid pologamists after just a few years with Jeff's people in the area and Arizona has had them for a lot longer and no raids in all those years? Do children inTexas meanmore that children in Arizona
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