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DesertHawk
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Alan E. Jackson wrote: Yes, I've been saying that for years.
"The guys in white coats will be coming for me,
they will be from the nut house or NASA!
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>"As a matter of fact, there is an instance of someone thinking someone was dead and Jesus specifically says "She is not dead, only sleeping". In that case, Jesus did recognize a misdiagnosis (maybe)."
Thank you. As I study, this is what I'm seeing, more and more.
And this "is" very important to see as having been happening around Jesus.
People really not deceased, but suffering from not having a physician as educated as Jesus.
Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Yes we are "waking people from the dead" when we educate them, or the knowledge is, or God is, but I think I see a cause and effect at play, between what Jesus is recorded as doing, and recorded history since, explaining why it is many of us now find ourselves sleeping in beds. The use of the bed has really spread/been pushed into use by those that didn't use them, by the followers of Jesus.
The Words/The Rules, The Men That Noticed Them, And The Men That Follow Them, Politics Works To Make Invisible.
Politics commits the crimes against humanity, and uses people not following, not educated /aware of, the rules to do the dirty/ignorant work.
>"If Jesus' true message was to get people to use beds, he sure could have said that more clearly."
Did/have people give/given him the chance?
What was he doing, up till the nailed him to a cross?
If we had not nailed him to a cross, would he have had a better chance, more time, at making his massage clearer, to us?
Deuteronomy 4:20 But the Lord hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.
Mark 9:26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.
Proverbs 26: 11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Proverbs 29: 20 Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Isaiah 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
>"I really don't think making a point about giving Jesus credit for making beds and rocking chairs is going gain anyone salvation."
We see that, now. That's where you and I disagree.
Again, I'm focusing on history, not what's relgiously correct.
For what your're parroting, your not being scourged and persecuted, like I am, are you?
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city.
My argument is that when you get the definitions of the words right, the New testament supports history, concerning our/ the Christian traditional usage of the bed, thanks to Jesus.
Is a person suppose to go by what you are saying, or the Christain understanding of the Bible/scripture?
The scripture says people were dead, I agree. But if a person does not get the definition for the word "dead" right, he does not get the story right. His statements will then disagree with the true intentions of the scripture/Bible/author, and be recognized as misleading others astray.
John 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) 3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. 4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
Now, the scripture says his sickness was not unto death, right? The correct understanding of the Bible should take this into account, right?
The Question is; Before learning about what I learned from studying the New Teatament, and have shared with you, would Jesus have had reason to say to you "depart, you knew me not"?
>Why would the sisters be afraid of a sleeping man stinking?
Health problems/conditions will have smells associated with them.
If, "This sickness is not unto death", then why did they bury the guy?
Because when Jesus was out of town, the other so-called doctors were, "Psalm 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.". What could the sisters do, against the will of the leaders of the community? And after Jesus showed that the leaders had been wrong in their diagnosis?
Lazarus was good as deceased, in the eyes of the community, but Jesus showed he had been wrongly accused. Lazarus was only not-conscious, but the other doctors didn't really know what they were doing. They had not really studied. They were leaders in the community because of political reasons, not because they were the best/most knowledgeable. A community suffers under such rule. Politics would rather rule in hell, than serve in heaven. And the Kingdom of Heaven was/is at hand.
Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
The few literate people did have/use the word sleep. But many did not. The word dead, when said a certain way, may have meant sleep. To change to using the word "sleep" instead of the word "dead", could have been like the US changing to the metric system.
What ever the many reasons, many people are using the word dead when a person is discribed as having been not conscious. It makes the stories confusing. But at the same time emphasizing/spot-lighting vocabulary growth. Something most people don't seem to take into account, when getting history from old writtings. Something a person must do to be correct.
I'm saying it fits in time as a "History Book", was first written to teach us history. Religion has since perverted the original intent in an effort to control people politically through the control of education. When facts concerning history are missing as factors in your reasoning, you are more likely to make poor decisions. And you can be taken advantage of more easily. When a most important piece/part of history is missing from your memory/education, your link to humanity becomes questionable, to those in the future comparing the behavior of each generation in the past.
It is there, written down, you should have learned about it in school. Those in the future will. And they will behave diferently because their education was not severely lacking due to polical intervention.
The effects of Jesus working to get everyone in a bed is able to be traced back by/through a study of history, if you are looking for it.
"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple."
"Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression."
Get the poisoned kool-aide out Mr. Jones, I will lead the way!
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 04:25 am |
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Yes, I've been saying that for years.
"The guys in white coats will be coming for me,
they will be from the nut house or NASA!
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>"As a matter of fact, there is an instance of someone thinking someone was dead and Jesus specifically says "She is not dead, only sleeping". In that case, Jesus did recognize a misdiagnosis (maybe)."
Thank you. As I study, this is what I'm seeing, more and more.
And this "is" very important to see as having been happening around Jesus.
People really not deceased, but suffering from not having a physician as educated as Jesus.
Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Yes we are "waking people from the dead" when we educate them, or the knowledge is, or God is, but I think I see a cause and effect at play, between what Jesus is recorded as doing, and recorded history since, explaining why it is many of us now find ourselves sleeping in beds. The use of the bed has really spread/been pushed into use by those that didn't use them, by the followers of Jesus.
The Words/The Rules, The Men That Noticed Them, And The Men That Follow Them, Politics Works To Make Invisible.
Politics commits the crimes against humanity, and uses people not following, not educated /aware of, the rules to do the dirty/ignorant work.
>"If Jesus' true message was to get people to use beds, he sure could have said that more clearly."
Did/have people give/given him the chance?
What was he doing, up till the nailed him to a cross?
If we had not nailed him to a cross, would he have had a better chance, more time, at making his massage clearer, to us?
Deuteronomy 4:20 But the Lord hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.
Mark 9:26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.
Proverbs 26: 11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Proverbs 29: 20 Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Isaiah 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
>"I really don't think making a point about giving Jesus credit for making beds and rocking chairs is going gain anyone salvation."
We see that, now. That's where you and I disagree.
Again, I'm focusing on history, not what's relgiously correct.
For what your're parroting, your not being scourged and persecuted, like I am, are you?
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city.
My argument is that when you get the definitions of the words right, the New testament supports history, concerning our/ the Christian traditional usage of the bed, thanks to Jesus.
Is a person suppose to go by what you are saying, or the Christain understanding of the Bible/scripture?
The scripture says people were dead, I agree. But if a person does not get the definition for the word "dead" right, he does not get the story right. His statements will then disagree with the true intentions of the scripture/Bible/author, and be recognized as misleading others astray.
John 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) 3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. 4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
Now, the scripture says his sickness was not unto death, right? The correct understanding of the Bible should take this into account, right?
The Question is; Before learning about what I learned from studying the New Teatament, and have shared with you, would Jesus have had reason to say to you "depart, you knew me not"?
>Why would the sisters be afraid of a sleeping man stinking?
Health problems/conditions will have smells associated with them.
If, "This sickness is not unto death", then why did they bury the guy?
Because when Jesus was out of town, the other so-called doctors were, "Psalm 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.". What could the sisters do, against the will of the leaders of the community? And after Jesus showed that the leaders had been wrong in their diagnosis?
Lazarus was good as deceased, in the eyes of the community, but Jesus showed he had been wrongly accused. Lazarus was only not-conscious, but the other doctors didn't really know what they were doing. They had not really studied. They were leaders in the community because of political reasons, not because they were the best/most knowledgeable. A community suffers under such rule. Politics would rather rule in hell, than serve in heaven. And the Kingdom of Heaven was/is at hand.
Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
The few literate people did have/use the word sleep. But many did not. The word dead, when said a certain way, may have meant sleep. To change to using the word "sleep" instead of the word "dead", could have been like the US changing to the metric system.
What ever the many reasons, many people are using the word dead when a person is discribed as having been not conscious. It makes the stories confusing. But at the same time emphasizing/spot-lighting vocabulary growth. Something most people don't seem to take into account, when getting history from old writtings. Something a person must do to be correct.
I'm saying it fits in time as a "History Book", was first written to teach us history. Religion has since perverted the original intent in an effort to control people politically through the control of education. When facts concerning history are missing as factors in your reasoning, you are more likely to make poor decisions. And you can be taken advantage of more easily. When a most important piece/part of history is missing from your memory/education, your link to humanity becomes questionable, to those in the future comparing the behavior of each generation in the past.
It is there, written down, you should have learned about it in school. Those in the future will. And they will behave diferently because their education was not severely lacking due to polical intervention.
The effects of Jesus working to get everyone in a bed is able to be traced back by/through a study of history, if you are looking for it.
"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple."
"Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression."
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| AEJ, I'm pretty sure you'll be getting a visit from those nice men in their clean white coats soon. You are either a certified genius or just certifiable....there is a very fine line there!
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 09:42 pm |
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And "He" Shall Rule Over Thee!
Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Just another vote for Bill Clinton?
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Exodus 1:15 And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah: 16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.
Matthew 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
As a young child, I learned about these events that happened in our history. And I thought the adults/parents of the children killed, for political reasons, must have been really upset.
But now, after the way I've seen abortion used today, I'm thinking differently.
Jeremiah 8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the Lord; and what wisdom is in them?
Alan
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> Whoever thought the Bible would become the new PDR?
> (Physicians desk reference)
Whoever really studied the words in the Bible.
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>"Great. Just what need to be discovered...another "sin."
Yes! I agree! The wages of sin is death. And we sin without recognizing it. When we do recongnize a sin, this allows us to avoid a death, that was coming unseen.
If you're going through hell, keep going. - historybuffy
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NEW KNOWLEDGE MAKES US LOOK LIKE FOOLS.
THUS: THE HUMBLE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT FIND IT.
AND POLITICS TRIES TO HIDE IT.
Originally Posted by B_
>Tobit 1:1 "All wisdom is from the Lord God, and hath been always with him, and is before all time."
Originally Posted by alanejackson
In a world/setting of cause and effect, all can be known. I'm just not that good at it, as some may be.
Originally Posted by B_
Wisdom 1:12 "Seek not death in the error of your life, neither procure ye destruction by the works of your hands." I don't see anything here about recognizing sin as being salvation from death.
Originally Posted by alanejackson
What can I say?
Tradition - a historical line of conventions, principles, or attitudes characteristic of a school, social group, movement, etc.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
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