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| WOW !! The way that is worded means no Christmas lights, nativity scenes, Christmas displays, holiday displays, happy any holiday message, NO political signs, no happy birthday signs, no party here for the kids signs, no produce signs, no nothing. What a total infringement on our rights as property owners. A giant F U sign would be appropriate in this case. Wonder who is going to enforce it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 18th, 2009 06:54 pm |
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| Well, certainly it will be grandfathered-in. As well it should be. There are only 2 entities involved in this matter -- the Healys, who desire to make Delaware's roadways safer for everybody and the town of Felton. Nobody else has a vested interest. The town cares because the Healy's sign affects the revenue agents' success and the town treasury in a negative manner. Since the town has no jurisdiction over what is on the Healy's property outside the town boundaries, they have turned to DelDOT in an effort to do the town's bidding. This effort too will fail.
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Posted: Wed Mar 18th, 2009 06:25 pm |
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| If the sign is already up, will it be "grandfathered" as an existing sign and not need a permit?
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Here you go!
http://co.kent.de.us/Departments/Planning/IandE/index.htm
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I can't seem to find that message on the Kent County website. Can someone provide a link?
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I guess if you have a housing development sign that counts too? Love to see them recycled into landscape mulch.
Also, I take it that it's only "state" highways that deldot has purview over. I take that to mean that if you live on say Turkey Point Rd. that they cannot do anything about that?
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Posted: Wed Mar 18th, 2009 02:40 pm |
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Kent County has a message on their website that effective April 1st DELDOT is enacting new sign permitting requirements. All free-standing outdoor advertising signs will require permission from the state in addition to a county building permit. It refers you to Title 17 chapter 11 and that states:
(9) "Outdoor advertising" or "outdoor advertising signs, displays and devices" shall include any outdoor sign, display, device, picture, emblem, trademark, figure, painting, drawing, message, placard, poster, billboard, light or other thing which is designed, intended or used to advertise, to inform or to attract the attention of the traveling public, which is within 660 feet and visible or beyond 660 feet and visible and erected with the purpose of being read from the main traveled way of any state highway.
Interesting!!!!!!!!!!!
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thinktank wrote: That's a good thing, realizing that opinions are not facts. 
How Do You Separate Fact from Opinion?
According to Webster's Dictionary a fact is "anything that is done or happens; anything actually existent; any statement strictly true; truth; reality."
Three examples of facts that are concrete and that could be documented include: 1.The house was painted on November 18, 1999.
2.Today is Saturday.
3.My son had a temperature of one hundred and two degrees this morning. Whereas an opinion is defined as "indicating a belief, view, sentiment, conception."
Obvious indicators of opinion are when sentences include words such as: "Generally, it is thought" , "I believe that", "It is a sad day when." For example, how the three facts above can be changed to opinions would be to add a belief or view. For example: • The house was painted recently on November 18, 1999, so it looks as good as new.
• Today is Saturday and Mark always sleeps in on Saturdays, so that is why he is late for the game.
• There was no way for me to go to school because my son had a temperature of one hundred and two degrees this morning.
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CitizenUSA wrote: And that is your opinion. My opinion is that you are going to disagree with everyone elses opinion so .......
That's a good thing, realizing that opinions are not facts.
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He had to speed up to catch the lead-foot.
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rescue48 wrote: I asked one of our officers yesterday what was his highest speed for the day. The answer was 88mph.
Did you tell him that he needs to slow down? 
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Posted: Tue Mar 10th, 2009 02:02 pm |
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| And that is your opinion. My opinion is that you are going to disagree with everyone elses opinion so .......
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CitizenUSA wrote: But apparently many of our opinions are very similar, so I would seem to think that when many people agree with such statements, they become facts.
they become Facts?
Seems like "gossip" to me.
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rescue48 wrote: I asked one of our officers yesterday what was his highest speed for the day. The answer was 88mph.
Did you tell him that he needs to slow down?
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| I asked one of our officers yesterday what was his highest speed for the day. The answer was 88mph.
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| I think that everyone realizes that what they write in a blog is their opinion. Just as you stated "the ugly pink sign....". is your opinion, not a fact. But apparently many of our opinions are very similar, so I would seem to think that when many people agree with such statements, they become facts. And it is a fact that people are bothered by police officers that don't follow the same laws as the rest of us. There are "opinions" on 6 pages of this forum that would seem to imply that. But that is just my opinion.
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CitizenUSA wrote: What has been lost is the trust in uniformed officials with badges who break the law to enforce it on others. It used to be that a police officer commanded respect because he and his fellow officers were law abiding, honest, and were doing a job to uphold the law. Now their job is to do what ever it takes regardless of the law to generate money for small towns. The true "officers of the law" are few and far between these days.
Obviously, we each have an opinion, and I respect the opinions of others.
I have not lost trust in uniformed officials. The quote above is a generality and a personal opinion, not fact.
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What has been lost is the trust in uniformed officials with badges who break the law to enforce it on others. It used to be that a police officer commanded respect because he and his fellow officers were law abiding, honest, and were doing a job to uphold the law. Now their job is to do what ever it takes regardless of the law to generate money for small towns. The true "officers of the law" are few and far between these days. That I find disturbing. And as stated before, no one has bad mouthed the personal reputations of the police, just their tactics as the towns fundraisers, their own acts of law breaking while in police cars, and some rather unknowledgeable info as far as the law regarding the sign and peoples rights are concerned.
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Interesting, but disturbing thread.
What ever happened to respect for the law? I can't imagine life without laws i.e. no traffic lights or speed limits. We should thank our lucky stars we have free speech. Only in America. So, somebody broke the law and he/she is mad? 
As far as the ugly pink sign that keeps blowing over, it conveys something other than the 'speed trap' message.
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If you don't like what is written, wouldn't it just be easier to QUIT READING THE FORUM????? I actually have to type it into my browser and then click on Felton. Alot of work to go thru just to complain of the repitition or anything else for that matter.
And for as far back as I can recall on this blog, the Healys have been nothing but nice in spite of the stupid and sometimes outright nasty comments that have been made. Other posters, not the Healys, have drug this thing out for what, 3 months and 6 pages. So again, if you don't like it , MOVE ON to another forum. I myself have enjoyed hearing that there are more than a few people who are concerned with the way the FPD do business. No one has spoken about them in regards to their personal lives, but as ambassadors of our town, they should be examples and not be breaking the same laws they enforce on others.
Long Live the Sign
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corn wrote: I believe the Healys need to grow up. All of this is because you were too lazy to go get your tags renewed.
Now she is going to yell at you for failing to identify yourself. She is also going to say that Kurt wasn't lazy, but that the car wouldn't pass inspection and needed to be fix. He couldn't fix it because he had no money. He had no money because he was laid off. I have read the story over and over. The bottom line is. He operated the vehicle knowing that the registration was expired. If you make a decision to do that, as an adult, you know there will be consequences. Kurt was upset about his consequence so he made a sign. That makes everything ok. And people like you are bad for posting mean things and not identifying yourself.
Believe it or not, I am actually a fan of the sign and the Healys. I am just TIRED of the excuses and repetition. Either move on in life or stop getting upset at people for posting. They are doing the same thing you are by putting that sign in your yard.
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coophealy wrote: Kurt and I don't expect everyone to like us. That's okay, there were people out there that didn't like us before the sign and won't ever like us. We can live with that.
You know, if you give it some thought, only the people who are related to or have close relationships with the felton police officers like them. So in all probability, more people like you than like the police.
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corn wrote: I believe that the more tickets they get the better for the town. Felton has not had a decrease in tickets because of the sign. People are still gettting ticketed.
Sure more tickets is better for the town -- because it is a revenue generator. If the state would do for felton what it did for frederica when it stopped their town police from generating funds from radar on route 1, the felton police would almost certainly be disbanded -- just like frederica. That would be a good thing.
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Lisa
I know that was a loaded question. The point I was trying to make was the fact that most people do sit behind a computer screen and make rude and immature comments. Comments that they would never say to someones face, because they are cowards, who hide behind a computer screen.......just MHO.
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Bluesman wrote: Lisa how many newszap members who have made comments in this thread have actually taken time to stop to introduce themselves to you, Kurt, and your family?
How many have made any cmments pro or con to either of you face to face?
Blues,
You are the only one that we have met from this forum. Kurt and I already knew fllbb, jerseagirle, and marihog. No one has ever made negative comments to us. All have been supportive. I have written to a few through PMs. I have had a few say that they don't believe in the words "speed trap". On the other hand, I have also had a lot of people tell me that the sign has saved them from getting a ticket because they slowed down and then saw the police officer.
We have had a lot of people stop by, but you are the only one that we know is from this forum. We have had a lot call us. We have also had people offer to buy us a new sign when the old one was damaged. Kurt and I don't expect everyone to like us. That's okay, there were people out there that didn't like us before the sign and won't ever like us. We can live with that.
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Lisa how many newszap members who have made comments in this thread have actually taken time to stop to introduce themselves to you, Kurt, and your family?
How many have made any cmments pro or con to either of you face to face?
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corn wrote: The sign is making you the laughing stock of Felton.
Good, everyone needs a good laugh now and then. Laughter is good medicine, but I'm still crying. I'll laugh with you when I feel better. 
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coophealy wrote: I believe that you are trying to tell me to stop crying?  The only thing I'm crying about is the pain in my back and that my cat is dying, but thanks for worrying about me.
Hey, I never said a thing about crying. But in certain times, shoes do fit. I am surely sorry to hear about your back (hope that it heals) and your dying cat (I do love animals). And it is the same as the sign in your yard, freedom of speech. You should have known that name calling would come along with it. People are immature and can not express their distain properly. You CHOSE to let people know who you are. If there would have not been an article I would still be passing the sign every day saying... I wonder who lives there? Some people choose not identify themselves because they are cowards and it is easy to be tuff behind a computer screen, I get that.
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Radford.Highlander wrote: Believe it or not, I am actually a fan of the sign and the Healys. I am just TIRED of the excuses and repetition. Either move on in life or stop getting upset at people for posting. They are doing the same thing you are by putting that sign in your yard.
I believe that you are trying to tell me to stop crying? The only thing I'm crying about is the pain in my back and that my cat is dying, but thanks for worrying about me. I totally agree with you and I am too tired of the repetition. I have quit explaining about Kurt's tags. I'm done with that. I have never been upset about people posting. I do, however get upset with name calling. It is immature and against the TOS. The sign in my yard is not the same as people posting on here. Everyone knows where I live and my name.....definitely not the same. I'm moving on....to my crying...
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corn wrote: I believe the Healys need to grow up. All of this is because you were too lazy to go get your tags renewed.
Now she is going to yell at you for failing to identify yourself. She is also going to say that Kurt wasn't lazy, but that the car wouldn't pass inspection and needed to be fix. He couldn't fix it because he had no money. He had no money because he was laid off. I have read the story over and over. The bottom line is. He operated the vehicle knowing that the registration was expired. If you make a decision to do that, as an adult, you know there will be consequences. Kurt was upset about his consequence so he made a sign. That makes everything ok. And people like you are bad for posting mean things and not identifying yourself.
Believe it or not, I am actually a fan of the sign and the Healys. I am just TIRED of the excuses and repetition. Either move on in life or stop getting upset at people for posting. They are doing the same thing you are by putting that sign in your yard.
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| For the life of me I cannot understand the sign or why everybody is facinated by it. I think it is very childish. I do not live the Felton town limits; however I do live outside of Felton. In my job, I do work with the police agencies. Although I agree with Ms. Healy that State Troopers usually are better trained you have to realize that not all Felton cops have been Felton cops there whole lives they come from other agencies. I know she is partial to State Troops as her dad was one but the Felton Police Officers are great people who do a fine job for the town. I totally agree with stopping speeder.s If you cannot see the sign and chsose not to slow down pay the ticket. I believe that the more tickets they get the better for the town. Felton has not had a decrease in tickets because of the sign. People are still gettting ticketed. I believe the Healys need to grow up. All of this is because you were too lazy to go get your tags renewed...........I guess because your father is a retired state trooper you think you are above the law. The sign is making you the laughing stock of Felton.
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| Thanks..wasn't sure if it was mind or eyes, but I liked mind, I just hope the sign opens more eyes and minds Last edited on Fri Mar 6th, 2009 12:20 am by CitizenUSA
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Hi Lisa
Good point it sures seems suspicious. Hope everyone is doing well.
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Number1 wrote: the_great_one wrote: Long live the Lawn Darts!!! Ha ha ha ha ha 
Can you let me on on that one "great one"?
Number1, I think that he's trying to imply that they should be thrown at the sign. A "lawn" chair was used to damage the sign. Makes you go "hmmmm".  
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Here it is.
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
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CitizenUSA wrote: Don't ya just love it!!!
I saw the sign, and it opened up my mind, I saw the sign.... I think that's how the song goes...LOL
Long live the sign
amen brotha...
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Don't ya just love it!!!
I saw the sign, and it opened up my mind, I saw the sign.... I think that's how the song goes...LOL
Long live the sign
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magna wrote: Bluesman wrote: note the "guest" status under the forum members name they are deleted.
I noticed "Guest" under your name too before.
Old news magna...old news...
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Bluesman wrote: note the "guest" status under the forum members name they are deleted.
I noticed "Guest" under your name too before.
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Instead of deleting "parts of" a comment due to Member Pledge violations, why not just delete the offender?!?!
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AND AGAIN>>>> no one has a problem with the police doing their job.... HOWEVER, the police should not be breaking laws themselves to enforce them. Their motto is to protect and serve, not generate town revenue while they themselves break the laws they ticket others for. Example>>>Law requires headlights be on during inclement weather, which means that if you drive in rain lights are to be on. Maybe someone should tell that to the officer driving the blue impala down Main Street in the rain with his off and then he made a turn without signaling. Thats two violations right there that I would be ticketed for. And by the way I have a clean record, didn't apply to be a cop although I hear they have lowered their standards and accept anyone who can pass the test after 4 or 5 tries, think your above mentioned comments of legalizing prostitution or marijuana for kids is stupid. I just don't believe some people are above the law because they have a badge. And obviously some police officers are not quite clear on what the law is as was made clear by the statements made about the sign AND their actions . I wish the sign had been there long ago, by who cares who or their reasoning. Just happened to work out this way.
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Number1 and Two Cents,
Do you ever get on here and complain when the police get a drunk off the road and arrest them and prevent them from hitting an innocent person on the way home? Do you get on here and complain if they pull someone over and take drugs off the street or a gun off someone? I doubt it, and do you know how most of the time they get those types of people off of the street? By pulling them over for traffic violations and discovering the more severe issues. Those traffic violations could be failing to signal, speeding, EXPIRED REGISTRATION, an equipment violation, etc.. The bottom line is he got a ticket for his expired registration that was expired THREE MONTHS and he didn't like it. Its the morons like you folks that keep these Felton officers employed. I applaud the Felton Police for enforcing the laws not only to folks from different areas of the state or out of state, but also to the locals. The locals are not above the law either. You guys must have applied to be cops and got rejected or have also received tickets. You probably want them to legalize prostitution and Marijuana for the kids. Here it is again: Long live the Lawn Darts! Ha ha ha ha ha ha
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rescue48 wrote: Sure; let me get the police report from last months meeting. Or, you can attend next Monday night and get the police report read to you live at the meeting.
I am willing to accept your offer to provide the information, although I have some doubts as to whether any single month's data is representative of the other months. I would think that 12 months worth of data -- or at a minimum 3 consecutive month's worth of data would be fairer. But, I will accept what you are wiolling to provide.
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| Sure; let me get the police report from last months meeting. Or, you can attend next Monday night and get the police report read to you live at the meeting.
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| I am far less concerned with the identities of who is ticketed than I am with the notion that small village police who sit on route 13 with radar to support their employers. That is the essence of the reason the felton and cheswold police departments can and do exist. If that statement is completely untrue, perhaps as a council member you would be willing to enlighten us as to the annual revenue generated by the felton police dept. You might also enlighten us as to the number of criminal complaints responded to by the felton pd and the number of arrests made and cases closed during the same twelve month period.
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| No "victimizing" going on. Slow down, or get ticketed. As I mentioned previously, even my daughter was ticketed.
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rescue48 wrote: Yeah, like Cheswold. We were there for an auction at the firehouse recently. From 13 to the firehouse we saw two cruisers working in tandem, and a third before we parked. Talk about a revenue generator!
A council member from Felton has absolutely no room to talk about police victimizing ordinary motorists elsewhere. Even cheswold -- as much as I disdain them -- doesn't begin to equal Felton for traffic tickets, visited on drivers simply driving past -- not through -- the town. I wonder how many speeding tickets cheswold PD issued in November 2008 and in the same month of 2007??? They too sit with their radar alongside the southbound lanes of route 13.Last edited on Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 03:06 pm by Two Cents
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Yeah, like Cheswold. We were there for an auction at the firehouse recently. From 13 to the firehouse we saw two cruisers working in tandem, and a third before we parked. Talk about a revenue generator!
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Posted: Sat Feb 28th, 2009 03:58 pm |
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Mr. Healy's motive has never been the issue. The issue is the behavior and motive of the local police. Prior to the sign, one might write off the FPDs motive as one that generates revenue. Now it can be argued that the FPD must focus more on Public Safety, because the knucklehead that exceeds the speed limit is truly an accident risk.
Long live the sign...and may many more crop up in small towns and communities all over the state!!
Last edited on Sun Mar 1st, 2009 01:40 am by Number1
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Posted: Sat Feb 28th, 2009 01:33 pm |
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| Who cares, it became a rights issue and they won. That's what is important. And considering the FPD went on public record stating "facts" that turned out to be WRONG, maybe they should be questioned on their "expertise" of the law before they hand out the tickets. Who knows, maybe there was a wrong interpertation of the law when Mr. Healy was given that ticket. He may have been innocent after all!!
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Posted: Sat Feb 28th, 2009 04:43 am |
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| The man obviously violated a traffic law and received a ticket just like anyone would have got. To bad, would it not have been cheaper to tag your car? Now you got a ticket to pay and still have to pay register your car before you can drive it. It took a ticket for expired registration before the speed trap sign came out?
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