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ShannonFlynn
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 Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 02:26 am
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I'm not against the city looking into this. Time has moved on, they voted the way they did and now let's leave it be. OR have someone from our community flip the bill for a court finding. There is a ton of talk on this issue and no action.  I went to the meeting. I didn't know what to think with a 2 to 4 vote! I have to say I wasn't surprised though.
 
 
The city attorney told me myself that it appears that Severs lives within the limits of Apache Junction. I would think he would be the one to know IF this issue should be taken to court or not.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 01:06 am
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Great.  Let's try this, one question at a time.  Share with me why you think the city shouldn't look into the residency issue?

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 Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 05:30 am
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I was trying to lighten the air. Did not mean to be upsetting. I see well past my own point of view. What would u like to talk about? :D smile!

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 Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 03:33 am
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Young lady why are you so disrespectful?  Because I don't agree with your opinions?  We all have our own beliefs, thoughts and opinions and I thought this was a place to share them.  And sticking your tounge out is a childish thing to do.  Let's talk as adults and maybe we will find one thing that we can agree on.  Can you agree to that?

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 Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 03:25 am
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Rude? No. That is just your view of it. :P

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 Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 02:55 am
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This must be some type of extremist place.  Everyone is over the top with their rants.  Guess I don't need to be polite any more.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 12:10 am
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                  As a veteran, do you not support freedom of choice ? How about freedom of speech ? :shock:

                  There are alot of us who do not wish to pledge any allegiance to a flag that represents a corrupt government , corrupt leader with only a double digit IQ  ,  a nation over-run with idiots , and dictated by people who think the only religion should be the Christian religion.

                   When someone  dislikes the way this country has become, it does not mean that we do not respect veterans ! We dislike the leader(s), the pointless wars and the facade that is used to create war ! (Except WW2  and prior wars that ACTUALLY WERE defending our freedom) But I do support the TROOPS because they are doing what THEY believe is RIGHT. Like I said FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 11:10 pm
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You must not get out much if you think a few people are talking about this or other things about him.  Every where in town, there is talk.  Grocery stores, restaurants, barber shop.  Now the talk is about him not saying the pledge of allegiance.  That is really getting people po'd.  Plenty of us old veterans really take that personally.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 06:18 am
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"If you ask me , this whole arguement is a waste of time and valuable tax money."

You took the words right out of my mouth. The more I'm learning the more I see certain people just can not stop. Yet, they have no issue with spreading lies and half truths.

At this point these few people need to hush up or pay for a court finding.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 03:37 am
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 If you ask me , this whole arguement is a waste of time and valuable tax money. The money could be used to look into other things ; like getting some kind of small mass transit system or even just an AFFORDABLE cab service for the seniors here who can't see well enough to drive ( believe me there's alot of them).                Or how about strengthening the police force to tighten down on the meth addicts. You can't go anywhere in AJ without seeing at least 1 or 2 a day.                   Or how about using more tax money to have the pool at the rec. center open a liitle longer than just when school's out ? It's annoying knowing that every day you go down there to swim ; there's a bunch of unruly unsupervised kids running wild.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 11:47 pm
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You don't have to call them, you can look it up online under the AJ City page.  It's there in black and white

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 Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 01:49 pm
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So if you have a po box you can be a council person?  Which means that any tom, dick or harry or the little old lady from pasidena that lives any where can be.  And you don't have to live in AJ.  Im calling the city to find out if that is true.  I will let you know what they say. 

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Actually, if you look at the rules when AJ was incorporated as a city it had a lot of rural areas where there was no postal delivery, so the outlying areas had to pick up their mail in town.  So it was legal to be on the city council if you had a post office box in AJ.  That rule is still on the books, and that is how he is getting around it.  It's legal, and until the rule is changed there is nothing that anyone can do.  Is it right?  No!  But he is able to get around not living here by having a P O Box only.  The city council knows this and can do nothing until they change the rules.

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How is this city ever going to recover from this mess?  We have a bad enough reputation as it is.  Now we have more stuff to add to the resume.

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This is outrageous!!!!  How did this happen?? Someone explain this in plain english.  If you only stay in AJ part of the time that means that you are not a full time resident.  Or am I missing something?  So the people who stay here for the winter can be on council?  Or will that be a discrimination law suit?  Again, someone explain this please!

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 Posted: Mon Mar 24th, 2008 09:26 pm
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Council denies Severs probe


4-2 vote shoots down
official investigation


By Terrance Thornton


Independent Newspapers


The Apache Junction City Council has voted to squash an investigation into the residency of Apache Junction Councilman Joseph Severs.


The council voted 4-2 at its March 18 meeting against furthering the investigation, with some council members believing the debate is having a "negative effect" on the community.


The debate involving Mr. Severs isn’t the first time a member of council’s residency has been questioned.


Former Apache Junction Council member Virginia McClain resigned her political seat in 1998 because she was found to be living outside city limits.


She vacated her post May 5, 1998.


Ms. McClain spoke with the Independent last week about the residency controversy.


She says it should be "fairly simple" to determine if Councilman Severs is an Apache Junction resident.


"He is either living here or there (Gilbert)," she pointed out. "That was the same problem I had. Either he is or he isn’t."


Vice Mayor R.E. Eck, who was appointed to council in early 1997, compared Ms. McClain’s resignation circumstances to Councilman Severs’ current predicament.


The vice mayor asked March 3 that Councilman Severs’ alleged Gilbert residency be put on a city council agenda. Mayor John Insalaco followed that request with a motion to have the residency issue put on an agenda during the council’s March 18 regular meeting.


"I asked for it ... because of the complaints we had from citizens about Councilman Severs," the vice mayor said. "I was doing it so Joe could prove his residency and bring this to some type of a closure."


Mr. Eck believes the controversy is having a "negative effect" on the community.


"There has been public outcry. Every council member is affected by it," he explained. "I believe Joe, in his mind, believes he is a resident. But residents are pretty sharp."


The council turned down a motion last Tuesday to probe the matter further.


The only way Mr. Severs’ residency can be challenged now is by a private resident. No one has come forward as of press time.


The city council is having a difficult time passing "positive agenda items," due to issues surrounding Councilman Severs, Mr. Eck said.


He said he wanted to see the situation come to a close one way or another.


"It is very difficult, because somebody has to really challenge it," he said. "We are fighting a lot of things we shouldn’t be."


Mr. Severs admits his wife and daughter are living in Gilbert with his mother-in-law and his home in Apache Junction has been for sale for five months, but contends he will maintain a residence within city limits.


He defended himself at last week’s council work session by providing certain items he believes define his "intent" to remain a resident of Apache Junction.


"I have a couch, a bed, table and chairs, glasses, alcohol bottles, clothes, jewelry and a refrigerator," he pointed out. "There is not much a single person needs to live in a house."


In addition to his indoor amenities, Mr. Severs brought several documents that he claims prove his Apache Junction residency.


They include his driver’s license, Salt River Project bill, miscellaneous mail, a cell phone bill, AJ landfill receipts, a video card and utility bills.


He says every item has an Apache Junction address on it.


"If that is not enough, (then) they look at the intent of the councilman," he said. "There is no definitive answer of residency. It is handled on a case-by-case basis."


The councilman says his wife and daughter’s privacy are being violated on a daily basis because of issues "certain people" have with him.


"I find it really disturbing that certain people are looking in my wife’s windows to try to see me there," he said. "This is an absolute invasion of privacy."


Despite Mr. Severs’ alleged invasion of privacy the councilman says he is ready for the community of Apache Junction to "get back on its feet."


"I feel like it is finally over," he said. "It was pretty clear that everyone wants this issue dropped."


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