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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 04:52 pm |
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I see you have just recently joined the forum.
First of all you are violating the forum rules by making personal attacks and your blog will probably be removed.d
Secondly, No matter whether or not you agree or disagree with Mrs. Flynn, ( and I do not agree with her on recalling certain of the members. Did not agree at all, when the recall was first started) you cannot deny that she is gutsy, and passionate about her cause. I think that it is remarkable that a young mother will even take a stance in what is wrong with our local government. I know when I was that age, I certainly wasn't thinking about government, and even if I did, the old adage " You can't fight city hall" was thrown if my face. Maybe Mrs. FLynn has just show the citizens of this valley, that yes, maybe you can fight city hall.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 07:23 am |
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I now know who Im talking with....
"Maybe you forgot to honor that truth that is within yourself and maybe you are punishing those in "control" since the person who raped you had "control" over you."
That is a nasty thing to say to someone. But then again...
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 07:02 am |
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| And what makes u ASSume you know what or what I don't want to hear?
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 06:57 am |
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| I see you can't take your own medicine
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 06:55 am |
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| No matter what I say it will not be what you want to hear. One should not waist time with such.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 05:40 am |
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Maybe the ones that do show up at the meetings are not the ones who expressed that opinion. I can understand that many of them do have an interest in AJ as what happens here often affects them also. And coupled with the fact that many of them shop here in AJ (No Walmart in Gold Canyon) probably give them the feeling they have a vested interest in what is happening here. Annexation has been kicked around before and probably will be again.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 04:10 am |
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Mike L,
If they don't want to be associated with AJ City City Govt., then why do they show up at the meetings to express their views???????
If they really want a say, then they need to be annexed into the city.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 01:09 am |
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Stick around Watchingyou. I have a feeling that the fun
and surprises have only just begun. Gee, I wonder if the city clerk and city attorney
have found enough invalid petition signatures to void the recall?
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Posted: Thu Jul 10th, 2008 10:20 pm |
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Please do keep watching me. I'll ask you do it with an open mind. No I was not always " happy", no I did not commit on how they could change. You are right. I did not stay at the last meeting. But I do most meetings and have attended every meeting since Nov last year. Wait, I missed one. I have been in the hospital 3 time due kidney stones and one of my children has been ill and landed in the hospital twice. I also had a recall to run. Recall is not a "happy" thing. The members that may be facing recalling could have totally played this whole recall in a better light. They could have asked supporters to sign and bring it to ballet.
"you spoke so much about YOUR rights"
My rights are everyone's rights.
"You caused more interuption and circus atmosphere. Gee, camera was overkill when you took the video of Mr. Walp. You couldn't download the video from the site"
I took the video for a reason. Yes, I have used the download.
"Of course your supporters clapped for you as you encouraged them to do before you went up. "
Seems I have power I didn't know I had.... People clap because they want too not because I say too.
"You came to only the call of the people, as your supporters while a small handful stayed to the very end. So you are interested in City business??? IS your group really interested in the city business. I heard after each point during the business section, opening to the public for discussion".
I have stayed to the end of most of the meetings. Yes, I am very very much interested in what's happening within our city. While doing the recall I have been educating myself on city matters, talking with other cities and learning about the budget for our city along with others. You have not seen this I understand.
You say I point fingers. I may. I have been the 1st to say I'm not a great public speaker. I'm working on this. Though it seems to me you are pointing fingers as well.
PLEASE keep coming to the meeting, get informed. If we get this recall to vote. GO vote. Please! Just because you and I may have different thoughts on MANY different items doesn't mean we can not use this to better our city. Maybe not one member will get recalled. If so then so be it. I will be there watching to ensure I know what's happening in my city. I will continue to have my voice.
Only about 1500 people went out to vote out of about 36,000 people living in Aj.
If this recall go to ballet it will make me smile. I have worked hard to get people like yourself to get to the meetings, to learn about what is happening. If I can get people to educate themselves on what's going on here in the city EVEN if they do not share my points of view then so be it! We all need to know what's happening and do something about it.
"peanut gallery"
Well. If many different kinds of people coming together to better our city then so be it. I'm not casting names.
"shut up to someone"
Never have never will.
"Why don't you take all this energy of circumventing council and find constructive ways to make changes".
This is coming. I had to do what I said I would do. That was to get my recall in. I have done that now on to bigger items.
Thank you for stating your thoughts! We can all talk and educate each other in a manner that can help all of us! Did I say that right? Let's see.... There is a person that gets up and speaks at the "call to the public". We think very much alike. Though this person does not like recall and does not support it. Our styles are different. However I have learned a great deal from this person's talks. I enjoy hearing what this person has to say, even if I might want to say it differently.
I say I invite all good conversations. I truly mean this. Thank you for watching me and giving me your ear. I hope to meet you at one of the coming meetings.
"A test of someones integrity is they do the right thing no matter how unpopular it makes them".
Shannon Flynn
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I am relatively new to AJ, so I have nothing prior to go on. I have listened to a few people talk about the council, city issues, and a variety of political views. I have attended other council meetings in other places but not been able to go on a frequent basis. I have watched the council meetings and listened to what all the people have said. I have watched people pointing fingers at each other. I have seen both sides guilty of what they accuse the other side for.
I attended my first AJ city council meeting because I wanted to really be there and see for myself. You cannot hear all the comments from the people talking in their own circles from the city tapes.
I am going to share with you my newcomer observations with you since most of you are locked into your walled up boundaries. Remember these are MY unbiased observations of the meeting. I got there early and saw a newtruck from channel 15. Hmmmmmmmmm I thought. Interesting.
( After the meeting, I did go back and relisten to the video and noted things from all people. )
At 31.25 minutes into the tape, the Mayor stated in clear words for each person who had signed up to speak, to state their name and address; if there were more than one person on the same issue to pick a spokesperson. Each person had 3 minutes to speak. At 3 minutes to speak, that meant over an hour of call to the public. I thought that was reasonable. He also said that because of time constraints, that there was to be no interuption (I felt that was so each person could be heard and not take time side talking to others to derail the persons intended point.) and no clapping ( alot of the clapping is during the 3 minutes and that takes time away from what you wanted to say.) I thought all those were reasonable. The city council takes care of city business after the call to the public. I thought maybe some of these people would make comments about current city business or upcoming business. Silly me.
I won't go in order. It was difficult hearing the names since there was alot of talk in the peanut gallery. Geez, I would have been thrown out of the theatre for that stuff and that loud. Wow, they allowed all that freedom of speech out there. kewl.
I worked in a city run business and ALL department heads we required by vote of city to live in that city. If you live there, then what you do should benefit that place and there would be no conflict of interest. A person is more vested into making their communites better.
The speakers started off staying in time limits. Some had a couple words going over and i just heard a buzzer. So it was not strictly enforced.
When I originally wrote out my notes, I was going to pick at specific points as all the speakers had their say. Over a week has gone by, so my emotional outburst has cooled somewhat, which could be a good thing.
Mrs. Flynn, you spoke so much about YOUR rights. What I saw from you was this. I will do what I want , and WHEN I want. Only what you say is correct (NOTTTTTT!!) and what I accuse you of doing...........I am going to do it . You caused more interuption and circus atmosphere. Gee, camera was overkill when you took the video of Mr. Walp. You couldn't download the video from the site??? YOU demanded that people listen to you, I kept waiting for you to say someting. oh yes, when you went to the podium, you looked kinda behind you and said shut up to someone. Person you spoke too was chewing gum. Maybe you have had issues with him in the past........but I saw this as a play for you. You asked members of council questions and I know if I am asked question I try and reply to that question........but you reminded that you were gonna have your full 3 minutes. Of course your supporters clapped for you as you encouraged them to do before you went up. And as the nite progressed, I heard you encourage your supporters to continue the disruption. Now, Mrs. Flynn.........What about my freedom to hear in a timely manner the council meeting which I listened to the final dismissal which was long after you left. YOu came to only the call of the people, as your supporters while a small handful stayed to the very end. So you are interested in City business??? IS your group really interested in the city business. I heard after each point during the business section, opening to the public for discussion.
Your complaints with the council appeared to start even before the ink was dry and the last vote counted. Give council a chance? You are quick to point out one councilpersons "merits". And yes, they for the most part are ok. I see members of the council that don't flaunt what they do...........who are talking to people and getting things done..........and not asking for a pat on the back. We should all be doing things for our community. Why don't you take all this energy of circumventing council and find constructive ways to make changes.
I can tell you right now, that I will be watching you.
Mr. Walp, you said the corruption was there before you got there. Well, you must not have done alot if you say it is still there. For whatever the reason the city did not renew your contract............there are 49 other states and many, many places that would like to have you. Move on. I had experiences with your officers. While I was irritated that I felt he didn't believe what I was saying........he was looking for a person who had lived in my house who was a violent person. He did not bully his way inside my house. I realized that he had my welfare as concern. This was done under your administration. I also have had police drop off another person who was intoxicated to the place where my son lives. He had just moved in. The man they dropped off came in the house, used the toilet (since he had lived there prior) went back outside knowing it looked different. Officer was told by my son that the man did not live there anymore. Officer, to be rid of him, pushed him thru the door and left. I called the non emergency number , was told call was being recorded, then told person that they had not ever bring him back here again. Was this what you encouraged your officers to do MR. Walp? Then I am glad you are gone. I had to get rid of him. There is no detox facility for them to dry out? Shame on AJ.
I watched after the call, the council replying back. This was interesting because what the speakers accused the council of doing, they did back and nastier.
In my experience, How you treat someone 1. reflects how you wish to be treated and 2. how you will probably be treated back.
I know some of the remarks made by a couple of the members of council were not the best but if I was continually attacked like that, my composure would be thin, but Shannon, I know that was what you were trying to accomplish..........I heard the smile in your voice and you had more ammunition.
How the council has done so far..........I don't have complaints on them so far. Those that need to be looked at more closely, probably should be recalled and maybe can't. Maybe we need to get laws passed so that all are held accountable not just a few in front. Maybe we need to pay attention to all the city employees who work for us. Kudos go to parks and rec. YOu are awesome. Animal control........you are awesome.
I wish to thank all the city employees I have come in contact with. You have always been helpful and understanding. Thank you. I enjoy coming in and doing business with you.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10th, 2008 06:02 am |
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you are about to open a pandoras box. This has been around before, and seems to me most of the people in Gold Canyon would prefer not to be associated with AJ or it's governmaental policies.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10th, 2008 05:50 am |
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I don't live in AJ, but I was wondering; If people from Gold Canyon want their opinions to account for something in the AJ council meetings, then why don't they annex into the city i.e the village of Gold Canyon, similar to Awahtukee as they are a part of Phoenix? Is this not an option? They would not only receive resources of city services, but, most importantly, have a voice in AJ city govt. Just a thought.
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 09:39 pm |
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Walmart sales are up and the stock is up. God knows their parking lot in AJ is never empty even now.
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Rumor is that that Walmart store will be closed in one year and three months. The owners of the Dog Park want to start racing out there again and plan to upgrade and put parking where the store was.
Remember this is just rumor. Anyone else heard anything along this line?
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I wonder if it was even asked of Wal-Mart to build it SW style. In the grand scheme of things, it wouldn't have cost that much more. Especially to a corp that big.
Joe
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Probably... I always think they should have made the building look like a large general store - you know like something you would see in a western - it would have been interesting to see how they might have used the space under the "porch" roof along the front facade... wish I could figure out how to post images on here!!!
I also think they should have flipped the building north to south such that the grocery section was closest to Apache Trail. They could have provided short-term parking on the north end along the Trail with convenient access in the store to those frequently purchased items such as bread and milk. Putting this end closest to the trail would also have promoted the pedetrian friendly environment we need to encourage within our community.
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In Virginia the stores MUST have a colonial motif, You should see a colonial gas station!! I am sure that Walmart would have changed the facade to a southwest theme if they were pushed a bit.
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I'm sure the Walmart is generic because we needed the sales tax revenue from that store more than Walmart needed to build a store in Apache Junction.
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I AGREE, we do not want to look like any other town.
I questioned former mayor Coleman as to why Walmart did not have a SW facade and got no answer.
No matter what the council does, not everyone will be happy.
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MWW85220 wrote: This council has developed:
NW corner Delaware and the Trail, stores and restaurants
Across from Wal-Mart, new shopping center, 10 stores?
New planned shopping center at Idaho and 60
THESE THREE MEAN MORE TAXES FOR AJ!!!!!!!!!!
Cleaned up of NE corner Ironwood and the Trail
Working on Focal Point
Beautifying highway on ramps
Roads being paved in east part of town
But this is just 'corruption' to some that don't want the Girl's and Boy's Club or other community services to get any money from the city!!
Sayitisnttrue
You might be as wrong about me as you are about the council.
I don't know if I'd call it corruption, but I certainly don't look at it as welcome progress. Then again, one of the things that drew me to live here was the fact that AJ did NOT look like every other part of the valley. Apparently I'm in the minority.
The Grand Hotel, Basha's Plaza, The Cactus Club and yes, that "dilapidated" little shop on the corner of Ironwood and the Trail. All these places that had a little character... gone or soon to be. And replaced with Walmarts, Starbucks and stuccoed strip malls.
Progress? Yeah, that argument could be made. But, is it the progress we want?
I'd rather see AJ stay a little different as opposed to becoming another Chandler, Gilbert, etc.
Just my two cents and worth every penny you paid for them!
Joe
hey... at least the council meetings aren't boring!
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There is no doubt that the inspections could be abused. When and if that happens, we will have to deal with the offending officer and change the law or the inspections. As I have read the law it is not meant to offend any one person, but insure our animal friends are protected.
If you think the laws in AJ are tough, DON'T move to New Jersey! They have been making laws since the early 1600's and some are draconian. Driving through the state with a weapon will leave you in prison for up to five years.
"Additionally, the inspections only apply to those who abide by the law. The guy who is improperly caring for his animals, abuses, or hordes them will not voluntarily seek an inspection. imho, this is a "feel good" law."
very possibly, but the new law decriminalized aspects of the old law and made them civil offenses. Seems like a plus to me.
We currently have inspections for how a home or any building in constructed, wiring, plumbing, AC etc. Is this type inspection a search or is it a way to provide for the public safety?
Recently, tomatoes were pulled off store shelves. Was my right to enjoy them infringed or was it an act to insure public health?
The Congress is talking about a national speed limit again, If I can afford to burn the fuel, why am I restricted to a speed and fined if I violated the speed limit?
LAW ABIDING CITIZENS KNOW WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO ACT, but some people will not abide by a rule unless it is codified
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I do understand your point of view on the animal control inspections; however...
The founding fathers warned us against allowing the government at any level to erode our rights and freedoms. It becomes a slippery slope. If one generation accepts the government inspecting their home for animal welfare, what might the next generation accept???
Additionally, while animal control limited their inspections to bowls and kennels as you witnessed, can you guarantee that these inspections would not be abused at some future time???
We were given the Constitution and told to protect it because the founding fathers recognized that any government could become corrupt - even the government they were creating.
Additionally, the inspections only apply to those who abide by the law. The guy who is improperly caring for his animals, abuses, or hordes them will not voluntarily seek an inspection. imho, this is a "feel good" law.
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No child should be abused for one second let alone 8 years! There is a special place in hell for pedophiles!!
NO OFFENSE is meant but please ask yourself, if it took 8 years for someone to report your abuse, how long will it take someone to report the abuse of an animal?
The inspections are very far from palatable but they are at least a step forward. Maybe, Vet records can be used, we have to prove that the animals have had shots, possibly a general health certificate from the vet? I don't know.
I have been blessed, my wife and I have been able to rehab biters to the point they left our house for a loving home and were not put down. I dealt mainly with abused animals that no one wanted.
I have seen and done too much in my life to wantonly cause unnecessary pain. If I live to be 150 years old I can NEVER repay dachshunds for what they have given me!!!
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I am a victim of rape for 8 years during my childhood. I understand your thoughts on this. I do. HOWEVER I cannot justify any officers entering a citizen's home without probable cause and a warrant. You do not make everyone the criminal for a small % of persons. CPS had probable cause to enter my parents home they did and without my given " yes he is raping me" they could do nothing.
You stated at that same meeting that the officer did not see half as many dogs as was out back. I do not care how many dogs you have. I feel your home ownership gives you the right to pet ownership. Only a problem when someone states it is and there is probable cause, warrant.
The way this "law" was passed is demeaning to all persons who own a pet.
Administrative law gives the right to the officer to come in as sees fit. That is a NO GO in my book.
My thoughts on this matter will not waver. I know and understand your thoughts and views and respect them.
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Flyrep
there are laws about child abuse but it was not very long ago that there was a boy that weighed less than 15 lbs, mom & dad were vegans.
How about the two kids kept in caged cribs.
Abuse of children and animals happens everyday. Without some type of laws, and inspections, abuse would be more rampant.
It is a fact that murderers usually start with small animals. MAYBE, saving one animal today spares a victim tomorrow.
Are the home inspections the best way to handle it, NO but it is a starting point.
Also the persons that will comply with the new law are not the ones that will neglect their animals.
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85220,
I remember that you said those words to the council. We don't agree on
that issue more than 50% as I see it. I cannot justify these well meaning
officers entering a citizen's home without probable cause.
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I agree with you about the animal control inspections.
I have rescued dachshunds for 25 years. I have saved dogs from places you would not want to walk into, let alone live.
The Animal Control Officer was in my house about 5 minutes, she wanted to see where the water bowls were and where their food was kept. Zip, zap, done and out the door. It was in no way a SEARCH.
My personal feelings are that I don't want anyone in my house but if my residence being inspected saves one animal from a life of deprivation or hurt, it is worth it to me.
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Yes, 85220 I have served in the Army as well and I am proud of it. Some vets would
be in your camp while others would agree with my "group" or whatever one wants to
call us. I didn't want to mention it, but I have served on a board. I served
three years on the library board and resigned on good terms. As with my
military service, why should I serve on a board again? I may or may not so
we will see. Alternatives do not need to be presented all at once. I say we
have already started to do so. If you disagree, then that is fine too. Inteesting.
I never recall you agreeing with any of our points, but then, I guess, I never asked.
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Everyones civil rights stop at the end of their noses. Common sense, decency and law should handle it from there.
I am a veteran and respect peoples rights but I get tired of hearing the same thing month after month. Little kids whine until they get what they want or get told to be quiet, whereas an intelligent person that has a legitimate gripe will bring it to court.
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To disagree is fine but what, if anything, positive have you or your group offered? None of you has volunteered to be on a board during this last cycle. Have you attended the Citizens Leadership Academy? If you don't know the process, you can't disagree intelligently. We have heard lots of things that you dislike but you have not offered any alternatives other than a recall.
Our council has brought new businesses to AJ, to increase the tax base.
A dilapidated building on the NE corner of Ironwood & the Trail was been torn down.
This council is working to improve the city, not working just for the interests of one or two residents.
You have had some viable points in the past 8 months, but people are so tired of your complaining that they don't listen to what you say any longer.
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85220,
I have spoken against John Insalaco's clapping ban. It is positive to
point out the truth. He didn't seem to care if one of his supporters clapped for
the council. He only threatened to have recall supporters removed. I know how
it is. Agreeing with the council is positive. Saying that you disagree once and
shutting your mouth is still positive. Disagreeing over and over with the
council on many points is negative.
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| Funny thing about civil rights; many people could care less about yours, or your cause, or how much you have researched the constitution, or how many Americans have died or been maimed fighting for our rights. But as soon as their toes get stepped on listen to them cry about their civil rights!
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Are you saying flyrep and his group wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights?
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| Can you not read? The man just told you. Does the Constitution and Bill of Rights mean nothing to you? People need not reply to your noise any longer. 1st starting with me.
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flyrep
PLEASE explain how and where your group has been productive in and for AJ. TANGIBLE items please.
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Well cacomistle, recall being part of the AZ Constitution can be constructive.
The mayor sure thought so when he and his wife backed Joe Sever's recall as
is their right. How is asking your elected public servants to follow
the Constitution and Bill of Rights unproductive?
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If you know about me, bring it out! Your veiled threats are ignorant at best!
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| Nope. We all know about you.
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This council has developed:
NW corner Delaware and the Trail, stores and restaurants
Across from Wal-Mart, new shopping center, 10 stores?
New planned shopping center at Idaho and 60
THESE THREE MEAN MORE TAXES FOR AJ!!!!!!!!!!
Cleaned up of NE corner Ironwood and the Trail
Working on Focal Point
Beautifying highway on ramps
Roads being paved in east part of town
But this is just 'corruption' to some that don't want the Girl's and Boy's Club or other community services to get any money from the city!!
Sayitisnttrue
You might be as wrong about me as you are about the council.
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SayItIsntTrue wrote: Mike L Im with you! I too go to the meeting and have been going for years. The woman that spoke about person is right on. Even when Colman was in office they had trouble with him talking out and being rude. 85220 you can say all you want about the Flynn's. At least they are productive you on the other hand seem to to only care about what u have to say.
PLEASE - someone tell me EXACTLY what the Flynns have done that is PRODUCTIVE? All I hear is allegations of corruption, defending the Constitution and "violation of rights" - everything seems to be about what's WRONG with AJ. IMHO, there hasn't been a darn thing CONSTRUCTIVE as a solution to the problem, except an implied "nyah, nyah - we've got our recall - so there!" They've done more harm than good, as there will be fewer persons likely to run for office, if they know that failing to "listen to the people" (aka vote the way *I* want or else) will set them up for recall as soon as the statutes allow. How does THAT equal "productive" or "positive"? I want the mayor and council to act for the best of ALL citizens of AJ. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - isn't that how it SHOULD work?
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| You talk out all the time so whats good foryou isnt for others. You are everything that is wrong with AJ> Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2008 10:44 pm by SayItIsntTrue
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The call to the public was over, the comments from the audience were out of line and uncalled for.
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| Mike L Im with you! I too go to the meeting and have been going for years. The woman that spoke about person is right on. Even when Colman was in office they had trouble with him talking out and being rude. 85220 you can say all you want about the Flynn's. At least they are productive you on the other hand seem to to only care about what u have to say.
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SHUT UP is always rude! Butting in and making comments on someonelses time is always rude. Leaving your manners at home is always rude! Do you have any idea of how much that turns people OFF? Do you expect them to side with you if you act like a heathan? or the spoiled child?
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Facts are never rude.
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I know what I heard and what I heard was rude. Clearly people have heard the same from him. The woman that spoke at the last meeting about his actions is a very active and is respected individual in our community. She has YEARS of attending city meetings and is highly educated on city matters. We can disagree and still be able to speak our thoughts. I have never called you or Mr. Weller names. I will never be quoted as doing such in our city council meetings or for that matter anywhere else. I have and will continue to try to " get along " with the both of you while standing my ground if being attacked by him again.
http://apachejunction.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=158
Please forward to 43:40 on player.
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I was also at that meeting. The woman "tapped" Mr. Weller once and shoved him several times. The police officer in attendance at the meeting WITNESSED the assault and asked Mr. Weller if he wanted to press charges and in fact, several people urged him to do so. He can press charges as long as a year after the incident. Anyone hear a clock ticking???
If you heard anything as you approached the podium on July 1, it was in your imagination. The only outbursts I heard during that meeting were from you and your friends. Mr. Weller barely said a word the whole evening.
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As for Mr. Weller, seems to me his rudeness pretty much brings the attacks on himself, just as this councils lacklustre performance brings the attacks on them. I notice you did not say anything in defense of Mr. Eck and his performance.
I never said I despised the Mayor, I just said I thought his performance last meeting, and come to think of it several meetings has been unprofessional and biased towards his own likes. And you are correct about the person he was arguing with had no right to be talking at the time. However when someone states something in public that is an untruth (in this case I don't have any idea if it was or not, but John sure seemed to think so) it is hard to keep quiet. This council could learn a lot from viewing Tempe's city council meetings where at the call to the public, the mayor actually ask questions of the person and has verbal intercourse, often solving the problem on the spot.
You are also right about the 3 minute rule, but if he is going to enforce it against one he should be just as vigilant about the rest, and really what does it hurt to let the person finish the sentence and at least get the punch line in. It always amazes me how fast 3 minutes pass when trying to get a point across.
If they enforce the rule of having one spokesperson for a group, they should allow him 3 minutes for each person in the group. 3 persons = 9 minutes. Or, they sould allow the spokesperson to put on a presentation as Mr. Barr did with dialouge and questions from the council.
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Yes, you are right. I did say I would ask to have him be removed. He stated his rudeness before I made it up to talk. I heard his words as I was getting up to talk as I was sitting behind him. I do and will continue to stand up for myself and my family when it comes to this man. I have never been rude to him during his time to address the council nor have I started any kind of talk with him.
cacomistle:
"I've also seen Mr. Weller assaulted physically and verbally by persons at and after Council meetings and that's never been mentioned at a "Call to the Public". Apparently, because he's a big guy, he's a perfect target and not allowed to defend himself."
I was at that meeting and a woman tapped him and asked him to retain for his rudeness.
Defend himself form what?
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