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Ed Dison wrote: Ed Dison wrote: P&Z Standards of Practices
Ethical Behavior and Conflicts of Interest
Conflict of Interest
No member of the board shall participate in any case in which he/she has a financial and/or personal interest in the property or action concerned, or will be directly affected by the decision, or has or believes he/she has any other conflict of interest as defined by applicable law. No staff member of the board or any agency serving the board shall prepare or present arguments or reports, or attempt to influence decisions of the board, in any case in which he/she has similar interest.
Self Dealing and Financial Disclosure
Arizona conflict-of-interest laws apply to all elected officials and advisory board members who must consistently be aware of any potential issues which may appear to be self-dealing. Officials must not be involved in discussing or deciding any issue over which they have jurisdiction as a Council or board member which may impact the member, or the member's family, financially.
Ethics
It is the policy of the city to uphold, and demand the highest of standards of ethics from all of its officials, whether elected to City Council or appointed to advisory boards. Accordingly, all members or City boards, commissions, committees and the City Council("elected officials and advisory board members") shall maintain the utmost standards of personal integrity, truthfulness, honesty and fairness in carrying out their public duties, avoid any improprieties in their roles as public servants, comply with all applicable laws, and never use their city position or powers improperly or for personal gain.
General Character
Elected officials and advisory board members are often called upon to make decisions that effect various groups and individuals adversely. Balancing diverse constituent interests is a difficult task. While someone will always be disappointed in decisions, officials shall adhere to ethical standards that eliminate disappointment borne of dishonesty, conflicts of interest, unfairness, or illegality. Preservation of public trust is critical for the preservation of democracy.
Procedures
Questions about a conflict of interest, or other ethical problems should be presented to the City Attorney's Office. Requests related to conflicts of interest, A.R.S. 38-507 must be kept confidential, however, official opinions of the City Attorney are required by this law to become a public record.
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Christa_Rizzi wrote:
Continue on with your rediculous accusations. I have nothing to hide, defend, gain, prove or lose...
You're welcome to take up with my husband where our vehicle is and when since I never get to drive it..I asked if you'd like to compare notes, our vehicles where abouts is very well documented..
How do you or anyone else even know what vehicle we own..are you following my husband
We made appointments with the Boading facilies my husband, granddaughter and I visited, we weren't about to just show up.
Spread what you like, anyone who knows me knows better....
As for me, I plan to continue doing what I can to help preserve our rural life style and keep this community one that embraces it's western heritage..and to help others
Christa Rizzi
Are you in the running for the P&Z Board?
This sounds like a political grandstand with a not-so-hidden agenda.
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Ed Dison wrote: P&Z Standards of Practices
Ethical Behavior and Conflicts of Interest
Conflict of Interest
No member of the board shall participate in any case in which he/she has a financial and/or personal interest in the property or action concerned, or will be directly affected by the decision, or has or believes he/she has any other conflict of interest as defined by applicable law. No staff member of the board or any agency serving the board shall prepare or present arguments or reports, or attempt to influence decisions of the board, in any case in which he/she has similar interest.
Self Dealing and Financial Disclosure
Arizona conflict-of-interest laws apply to all elected officials and advisory board members who must consistently be aware of any potential issues which may appear to be self-dealing. Officials must not be involved in discussing or deciding any issue over which they have jurisdiction as a Council or board member which may impact the member, or the member's family, financially.
Ethics
It is the policy of the city to uphold, and demand the highest of standards of ethics from all of its officials, whether elected to City Council or appointed to advisory boards. Accordingly, all members or City boards, commissions, committees and the City Council("elected officials and advisory board members") shall maintain the utmost standards of personal integrity, truthfulness, honesty and fairness in carrying out their public duties, avoid any improprieties in their roles as public servants, comply with all applicable laws, and never use their city position or powers improperly or for personal gain.
General Character
Elected officials and advisory board members are often called upon to make decisions that effect various groups and individuals adversely. Balancing diverse constituent interests is a difficult task. While someone will always be disappointed in decisions, officials shall adhere to ethical standards that eliminate disappointment borne of dishonesty, conflicts of interest, unfairness, or illegality. Preservation of public trust is critical for the preservation of democracy.
Procedures
Questions about a conflict of interest, or other ethical problems should be presented to the City Attorney's Office. Requests related to conflicts of interest, A.R.S. 38-507 must be kept confidential, however, official opinions of the City Attorney are required by this law to become a public record.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 03:58 pm |
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Ed Dison wrote: P&Z Standards of Practices
Ethical Behavior and Conflicts of Interest
Conflict of Interest
No member of the board shall participate in any case in which he/she has a financial and/or personal interest in the property or action concerned, or will be directly affected by the decision, or has or believes he/she has any other conflict of interest as defined by applicable law. No staff member of the board or any agency serving the board shall prepare or present arguments or reports, or attempt to influence decisions of the board, in any case in which he/she has similar interest.
Self Dealing and Financial Disclosure
Arizona conflict-of-interest laws apply to all elected officials and advisory board members who must consistently be aware of any potential issues which may appear to be self-dealing. Officials must not be involved in discussing or deciding any issue over which they have jurisdiction as a Council or board member which may impact the member, or the member's family, financially.
Ethics
It is the policy of the city to uphold, and demand the highest of standards of ethics from all of its officials, whether elected to City Council or appointed to advisory boards. Accordingly, all members or City boards, commissions, committees and the City Council("elected officials and advisory board members") shall maintain the utmost standards of personal integrity, truthfulness, honesty and fairness in carrying out their public duties, avoid any improprieties in their roles as public servants, comply with all applicable laws, and never use their city position or powers improperly or for personal gain.
General Character
Elected officials and advisory board members are often called upon to make decisions that effect various groups and individuals adversely. Balancing diverse constituent interests is a difficult task. While someone will always be disappointed in decisions, officials shall adhere to ethical standards that eliminate disappointment borne of dishonesty, conflicts of interest, unfairness, or illegality. Preservation of public trust is critical for the preservation of democracy.
Procedures
Questions about a conflict of interest, or other ethical problems should be presented to the City Attorney's Office. Requests related to conflicts of interest, A.R.S. 38-507 must be kept confidential, however, official opinions of the City Attorney are required by this law to become a public record.
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Ed Dison wrote: P&Z Standards of Practices
Ethical Behavior and Conflicts of Interest
Conflict of Interest
No member of the board shall participate in any case in which he/she has a financial and/or personal interest in the property or action concerned, or will be directly affected by the decision, or has or believes he/she has any other conflict of interest as defined by applicable law. No staff member of the board or any agency serving the board shall prepare or present arguments or reports, or attempt to influence decisions of the board, in any case in which he/she has similar interest.
Self Dealing and Financial Disclosure
Arizona conflict-of-interest laws apply to all elected officials and advisory board members who must consistently be aware of any potential issues which may appear to be self-dealing. Officials must not be involved in discussing or deciding any issue over which they have jurisdiction as a Council or board member which may impact the member, or the member's family, financially.
Ethics
It is the policy of the city to uphold, and demand the highest of standards of ethics from all of its officials, whether elected to City Council or appointed to advisory boards. Accordingly, all members or City boards, commissions, committees and the City Council("elected officials and advisory board members") shall maintain the utmost standards of personal integrity, truthfulness, honesty and fairness in carrying out their public duties, avoid any improprieties in their roles as public servants, comply with all applicable laws, and never use their city position or powers improperly or for personal gain.
General Character
Elected officials and advisory board members are often called upon to make decisions that effect various groups and individuals adversely. Balancing diverse constituent interests is a difficult task. While someone will always be disappointed in decisions, officials shall adhere to ethical standards that eliminate disappointment borne of dishonesty, conflicts of interest, unfairness, or illegality. Preservation of public trust is critical for the preservation of democracy.
Procedures
Questions about a conflict of interest, or other ethical problems should be presented to the City Attorney's Office. Requests related to conflicts of interest, A.R.S. 38-507 must be kept confidential, however, official opinions of the City Attorney are required by this law to become a public record.
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 11:34 pm |
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Christa_Rizzi wrote: Ed Dison wrote: Christa_Rizzi wrote: Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:57 pm Ed Dison
Has anyone read the rules for this forum? NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! Dalley007, Mr Messina, Peanutshims, if you CONTINUE I WILL PERSONALLY CONTACT THE WEBMASTER AND HAVE YOU REMOVED FROM THIS BOARD. Peanutshims, you state Mr Messina has or is in the process of cleaning up his place, LEAVE IT ALONE! If you have a concern about it go here, ajcity.net, voice all your concerns and be happy your contributing to your community. Let's hope you have a violation free, happy homestead. As soon as I sort all these pictures out by address, I'll let you know. Dalley007, you should, and will be removed from this forum, you brought the personal attacks to this forum, complete with someone's location, that's a big NO, NO HERE! The webmaster keeps track of your ip address, well, he will tell you the rest. Mr Messina, clean and organize your place, be happy, and don't let the few people here get to you. Returning personal attacks lowers yourself to their level, and you would have to apply for a city permit, and go through P&Z, to dig a hole that deep. You and I both know how long that would take! EVERYONE, if you have something PERSONAL, take it to the person, or to the proper city department. Ya'all have a nice evening.
Ed Dison
(laughing hysterically) REPORTS ..are you now the police
You do realize that the one vehicle we own is used for a mobile business and the where abouts of this vehicle is very well documented.
Care to compare notes?
If you don't know by now that my husband nor I have interest in spying on others there's nothing left to discuss.
"My wish to meddle?".. We are members of SHA that speaks for itself..now you associate learning with meddling..very odd coming from you (unless we had you all wrong)
The false accusations you casually toss out are not intimidating in any way..but it works well for someones agenda to spread hysteria and divide the community..
Christa Rizzi
Ms Rizzi, Thank You, well put. Looks like your the webmaster today. Let me change my statement to read as follows, a few stable owners have contacted myself and stated they spotted someone who resembles Ms Rizzi driving by their property.
Some stated that shortly after the sightings, they received visits by city officials about anonymous complaints. They suggested to me that they assumed the complaints came from you. With the information you have provided here I can contact those who contacted me with their concerns, and explain to them that you were just out "learning".
Ed Dison
Continue on with your rediculous accusations. I have nothing to hide, defend, gain, prove or lose...
You're welcome to take up with my husband where our vehicle is and when since I never get to drive it..I asked if you'd like to compare notes, our vehicles where abouts is very well documented..
How do you or anyone else even know what vehicle we own..are you following my husband
We made appointments with the Boading facilies my husband, granddaughter and I visited, we weren't about to just show up.
Spread what you like, anyone who knows me knows better....
As for me, I plan to continue doing what I can to help preserve our rural life style and keep this community one that embraces it's western heritage..and to help others
Christa Rizzi
Ms Rizzi, sharing information and accusations are two different subjects. I don't care about what vehicles you or anybody else drives, where you live, ect. With your posts here, you have made yourself look this way to others, the Shannon stuff, ect. I personally know you to be for the rural lifestyle as all of us are. With everything going on in this city (never seen anything so blatant like this before, and those involved are not very good at hiding it) it seems there are sides, and your on one or the other. Everyone reads everyone else's post and puts them on the side they feel they belong on. This city is known for retaliatory tactics, and these words come from officials in other towns and counties. I am questioning some of the most recent actions by city officials, so are some, more "authoritative officials".
Ed Dison
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 10:14 pm |
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Ed Dison wrote: Christa_Rizzi wrote: Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:57 pm Ed Dison
Has anyone read the rules for this forum? NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! Dalley007, Mr Messina, Peanutshims, if you CONTINUE I WILL PERSONALLY CONTACT THE WEBMASTER AND HAVE YOU REMOVED FROM THIS BOARD. Peanutshims, you state Mr Messina has or is in the process of cleaning up his place, LEAVE IT ALONE! If you have a concern about it go here, ajcity.net, voice all your concerns and be happy your contributing to your community. Let's hope you have a violation free, happy homestead. As soon as I sort all these pictures out by address, I'll let you know. Dalley007, you should, and will be removed from this forum, you brought the personal attacks to this forum, complete with someone's location, that's a big NO, NO HERE! The webmaster keeps track of your ip address, well, he will tell you the rest. Mr Messina, clean and organize your place, be happy, and don't let the few people here get to you. Returning personal attacks lowers yourself to their level, and you would have to apply for a city permit, and go through P&Z, to dig a hole that deep. You and I both know how long that would take! EVERYONE, if you have something PERSONAL, take it to the person, or to the proper city department. Ya'all have a nice evening.
Ed Dison
(laughing hysterically) REPORTS ..are you now the police
You do realize that the one vehicle we own is used for a mobile business and the where abouts of this vehicle is very well documented.
Care to compare notes?
If you don't know by now that my husband nor I have interest in spying on others there's nothing left to discuss.
"My wish to meddle?".. We are members of SHA that speaks for itself..now you associate learning with meddling..very odd coming from you (unless we had you all wrong)
The false accusations you casually toss out are not intimidating in any way..but it works well for someones agenda to spread hysteria and divide the community..
Christa Rizzi
Ms Rizzi, Thank You, well put. Looks like your the webmaster today. Let me change my statement to read as follows, a few stable owners have contacted myself and stated they spotted someone who resembles Ms Rizzi driving by their property.
Some stated that shortly after the sightings, they received visits by city officials about anonymous complaints. They suggested to me that they assumed the complaints came from you. With the information you have provided here I can contact those who contacted me with their concerns, and explain to them that you were just out "learning".
Ed Dison
Continue on with your rediculous accusations. I have nothing to hide, defend, gain, prove or lose...
You're welcome to take up with my husband where our vehicle is and when since I never get to drive it..I asked if you'd like to compare notes, our vehicles where abouts is very well documented..
How do you or anyone else even know what vehicle we own..are you following my husband
We made appointments with the Boading facilies my husband, granddaughter and I visited, we weren't about to just show up.
Spread what you like, anyone who knows me knows better....
As for me, I plan to continue doing what I can to help preserve our rural life style and keep this community one that embraces it's western heritage..and to help others
Christa Rizzi
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 09:01 pm |
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Christa_Rizzi wrote: Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:57 pm Ed Dison
Has anyone read the rules for this forum? NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! Dalley007, Mr Messina, Peanutshims, if you CONTINUE I WILL PERSONALLY CONTACT THE WEBMASTER AND HAVE YOU REMOVED FROM THIS BOARD. Peanutshims, you state Mr Messina has or is in the process of cleaning up his place, LEAVE IT ALONE! If you have a concern about it go here, ajcity.net, voice all your concerns and be happy your contributing to your community. Let's hope you have a violation free, happy homestead. As soon as I sort all these pictures out by address, I'll let you know. Dalley007, you should, and will be removed from this forum, you brought the personal attacks to this forum, complete with someone's location, that's a big NO, NO HERE! The webmaster keeps track of your ip address, well, he will tell you the rest. Mr Messina, clean and organize your place, be happy, and don't let the few people here get to you. Returning personal attacks lowers yourself to their level, and you would have to apply for a city permit, and go through P&Z, to dig a hole that deep. You and I both know how long that would take! EVERYONE, if you have something PERSONAL, take it to the person, or to the proper city department. Ya'all have a nice evening.
Ed Dison
(laughing hysterically) REPORTS ..are you now the police
You do realize that the one vehicle we own is used for a mobile business and the where abouts of this vehicle is very well documented.
Care to compare notes?
If you don't know by now that my husband nor I have interest in spying on others there's nothing left to discuss.
"My wish to meddle?".. We are members of SHA that speaks for itself..now you associate learning with meddling..very odd coming from you (unless we had you all wrong)
The false accusations you casually toss out are not intimidating in any way..but it works well for someones agenda to spread hysteria and divide the community..
Christa Rizzi
Ms Rizzi, Thank You, well put. Looks like your the webmaster today. Let me change my statement to read as follows, a few stable owners have contacted myself and stated they spotted someone who resembles Ms Rizzi driving by their property.
Some stated that shortly after the sightings, they received visits by city officials about anonymous complaints. They suggested to me that they assumed the complaints came from you. With the information you have provided here I can contact those who contacted me with their concerns, and explain to them that you were just out "learning".
Ed Dison
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 07:57 pm Ed Dison
Has anyone read the rules for this forum? NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! Dalley007, Mr Messina, Peanutshims, if you CONTINUE I WILL PERSONALLY CONTACT THE WEBMASTER AND HAVE YOU REMOVED FROM THIS BOARD. Peanutshims, you state Mr Messina has or is in the process of cleaning up his place, LEAVE IT ALONE! If you have a concern about it go here, ajcity.net, voice all your concerns and be happy your contributing to your community. Let's hope you have a violation free, happy homestead. As soon as I sort all these pictures out by address, I'll let you know. Dalley007, you should, and will be removed from this forum, you brought the personal attacks to this forum, complete with someone's location, that's a big NO, NO HERE! The webmaster keeps track of your ip address, well, he will tell you the rest. Mr Messina, clean and organize your place, be happy, and don't let the few people here get to you. Returning personal attacks lowers yourself to their level, and you would have to apply for a city permit, and go through P&Z, to dig a hole that deep. You and I both know how long that would take! EVERYONE, if you have something PERSONAL, take it to the person, or to the proper city department. Ya'all have a nice evening.
Ed Dison
(laughing hysterically) REPORTS ..are you now the police
You do realize that the one vehicle we own is used for a mobile business and the where abouts of this vehicle is very well documented.
Care to compare notes?
If you don't know by now that my husband nor I have interest in spying on others there's nothing left to discuss.
"My wish to meddle?".. We are members of SHA that speaks for itself..now you associate learning with meddling..very odd coming from you (unless we had you all wrong)
The false accusations you casually toss out are not intimidating in any way..but it works well for someones agenda to spread hysteria and divide the community..
Christa Rizzi
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Ms Rizzi, Please tell me the reports I'm getting on drive-bys at a few of the stables are not you. Please tell me your not the one filing the anonymous complaints. This is not the recall, this has nothing to do with you other than your your wish to meddle. Or is it "the Circle". The descriptions match you and your vehicles Ms Rizzi.
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Ed Dison wrote: Kathie wrote: Katy, I too received a flyer, but it was given to me by a person handing them out. It said to show up at meeting if your property was important to you, and to speak up. I was not comfortable speaking up, so I left. But after reading what's going on, I think it's time to speak up.
Kathie, If you are going to be around the house today, I would like to come pick up the flyer. Give me a call (480) 233-3965
Ed Dison
A "BIG THANK YOU" TO Kathie.
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Kathie wrote: Katy, I too received a flyer, but it was given to me by a person handing them out. It said to show up at meeting if your property was important to you, and to speak up. I was not comfortable speaking up, so I left. But after reading what's going on, I think it's time to speak up.
Kathie, If you are going to be around the house today, I would like to come pick up the flyer. Give me a call (480) 233-3965
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P&Z Standards of Practices
Ethical Behavior and Conflicts of Interest
Conflict of Interest
No member of the board shall participate in any case in which he/she has a financial and/or personal interest in the property or action concerned, or will be directly affected by the decision, or has or believes he/she has any other conflict of interest as defined by applicable law. No staff member of the board or any agency serving the board shall prepare or present arguments or reports, or attempt to influence decisions of the board, in any case in which he/she has similar interest.
Self Dealing and Financial Disclosure
Arizona conflict-of-interest laws apply to all elected officials and advisory board members who must consistently be aware of any potential issues which may appear to be self-dealing. Officials must not be involved in discussing or deciding any issue over which they have jurisdiction as a Council or board member which may impact the member, or the member's family, financially.
Ethics
It is the policy of the city to uphold, and demand the highest of standards of ethics from all of its officials, whether elected to City Council or appointed to advisory boards. Accordingly, all members or City boards, commissions, committees and the City Council("elected officials and advisory board members") shall maintain the utmost standards of personal integrity, truthfulness, honesty and fairness in carrying out their public duties, avoid any improprieties in their roles as public servants, comply with all applicable laws, and never use their city position or powers improperly or for personal gain.
General Character
Elected officials and advisory board members are often called upon to make decisions that effect various groups and individuals adversely. Balancing diverse constituent interests is a difficult task. While someone will always be disappointed in decisions, officials shall adhere to ethical standards that eliminate disappointment borne of dishonesty, conflicts of interest, unfairness, or illegality. Preservation of public trust is critical for the preservation of democracy.
Procedures
Questions about a conflict of interest, or other ethical problems should be presented to the City Attorney's Office. Requests related to conflicts of interest, A.R.S. 38-507 must be kept confidential, however, official opinions of the City Attorney are required by this law to become a public record.
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Well let's get back on track. This was about the misuse of power by a P&Z Commissioner. Let's keep it on track. Ms Rizzi, do you have any comments on THIS subject? On this one I will be more than happy to present the EVIDENCE to you "like a prosecutor in a court of law would", complete with printed matter, audio tapes, and plenty of witnesses, but you will need to EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS AND OPINIONS, and no dancing, I just waxed the floors.
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johnnyk597 wrote: Christa, just answering a few questions and a few statements on my part. What I believe what happened at the Flynn's and or what is going on there is mute. Do I believe you reported her is also mute, but my personal opinion knowing you for at least a few years, no I do not. I think you would be like the rest of us "Live and let Live" unless it involved animal welfare or a child's welfare or real safety issues not a vendetta grudge, hated for, again use what ever phase seems suitable. Then and only then would I turn someone in, and that would have to be the last resort. Same as you, I believe. Not against you Christa but also disagree with some of the philosophy just like you do with mine. What every American has fought to keep in this country since before, during and since the revolution back in the 1700's. Just here sometimes quotes are taken different than they were said, no tone or facial expressions here just perceptions and sometimes like I said they are wrong. Stay safe girl.
Thank you John and I agree we disagree on some things..
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Ms Rizzi, johnnyk, the election is over, the Flynn's don't seem to be interested in the "boarding issues", so PLEASE, take this stuff to the PM level, I'm sure the people here are not interested.
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ARS 13-1504
U.S.C. title 18 sec 241 & 242, U.S.C. Title 42 SS 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985 and 1986.
Before anyone goes out to start complaining about code issues, understand the potential ramifications of taking it upon your selves to deprive folks of their property rights.
This is why this issue is so much more than just fences, horses and trailers.
Today it is fences, horses, trailers, and hay stacks.
Tomorrow it is rental properties.
Who is next? Will anyone be left to stand up and tell these committees, councils, and agencies to target the real problems?
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| Christa, just answering a few questions and a few statements on my part. What I believe what happened at the Flynn's and or what is going on there is mute. Do I believe you reported her is also mute, but my personal opinion knowing you for at least a few years, no I do not. I think you would be like the rest of us "Live and let Live" unless it involved animal welfare or a child's welfare or real safety issues not a vendetta grudge, hated for, again use what ever phase seems suitable. Then and only then would I turn someone in, and that would have to be the last resort. Same as you, I believe. Not against you Christa but also disagree with some of the philosophy just like you do with mine. What every American has fought to keep in this country since before, during and since the revolution back in the 1700's. Just here sometimes quotes are taken different than they were said, no tone or facial expressions here just perceptions and sometimes like I said they are wrong. Stay safe girl.
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johnnyk597 wrote: Posted: Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 11:30 am
"No you and a citizens committe on the streets looking for non compliance is witch hunting, them on the street doing their JOB while volunteers do the paper work in the office who are interested in city government is called VOLUNTEERISM. You shpuld know that you won an award from the Prez on that. Congrats by the way. Hope that cleared things up."
John,
Let's set the record straight..Do you honestly believe I reported or have any clue who reported the Flynns fence?
Do you honestly believe I have or would go hunting for violations and then report them?
And thank you, it was a great honor to be nominated and recieve such an award. I was humbled..
Ed Dison wrote: Posted: Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 03:01 pm
"Ms Rizzi, "safe generalized" views are good for campaigning in the "political arena", but this is not that arena. With the concern you have expressed here, one can only assume you came here with a well formed personal view on the issue. This is the view I would like you to express, your's, not from those of "the circle".
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Mr Dison, To my knowledge no campaigning is currently taking place here in Apache Junction.
I am by no means any form of expert on horses and have therefore decided to educate myself through numerous forms of reasearch on the various boarding issues at hand.
I appreciate you recognizing that I would have an informed view, however I am continuing the learning process on the subject.
As stated I will make appointments with local facilities and continue to speak with other more knowledgeable citizens in the community.
I have answered truthfully from my heart how I feel about the stables and have nothing further to comment specifically on stables at this moment.
I'm not clear on the "circle" you speak of. I am a "people person" and choose to socialize with those from all walks of life not any particular group. I can strike up a conversation with a stranger in the grocery line, it's just my nature..and I tend to use humor whenever possible..
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Christa_Rizzi wrote: johnnyk597 wrote: Ed doesn't take much training to file, type, address concerns at the desk, that type of work to help out in the office. That way we could get our high price pay check code compliance people out in the field doing the job they wee trained to do. How would you address the problem of not enough people to handle the load in code compliance? the city does not have the resources to hire more employee's and the people that went thru the CLI at least have a willingness to get involved, unfortunately we do not have enough board positions to give them all one, so this might keep their interest up rather than just say thanks se you later.
But isn't that, how did you say it, "witch hunting" John"?..
Until recently few graduates have applied to boards..
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"Ms Rizzi, I would like to hear your views on the stable issues."
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Mr. Dison,
I stated my, as you say "safe generalized", views on the othe thread when Gina addressed me on the subject.
However I plan to schedule appointments with local facilies to further my self education on the matter and may offer a second response..
Christa Rizzi
Ms Rizzi, "safe generalized" views are good for campaigning in the "political arena", but this is not that arena. With the concern you have expressed here, one can only assume you came here with a well formed personal view on the issue. This is the view I would like you to express, your's, not from those of "the circle".
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No you and a citizens committe on the streets looking for non compliance is witch hunting, them on the street doing their JOB while volunteers do the paper work in the office who are interested in city government is called VOLUNTEERISM. You shpuld know that you won an award from the Prez on that. Congrats by the way. Hope that cleared things up.
There are no positions open for them to apply, I said it before the council should look at board members who have 2-3 appointments and thank them for the service to the city but pick one you would like to serve on and get some new talent and ideas in there. What's the use of applying if you have to wait for 2-3 years to be appointed and the talent blank is only good for a year. Just an idea. Last edited on Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 07:35 pm by johnnyk597
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johnnyk597 wrote: Ed doesn't take much training to file, type, address concerns at the desk, that type of work to help out in the office. That way we could get our high price pay check code compliance people out in the field doing the job they wee trained to do. How would you address the problem of not enough people to handle the load in code compliance? the city does not have the resources to hire more employee's and the people that went thru the CLI at least have a willingness to get involved, unfortunately we do not have enough board positions to give them all one, so this might keep their interest up rather than just say thanks se you later.
But isn't that, how did you say it, "witch hunting" John"?..
Until recently few graduates have applied to boards..
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"Ms Rizzi, I would like to hear your views on the stable issues."
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Mr. Dison,
I stated my, as you say "safe generalized", views on the othe thread when Gina addressed me on the subject.
However I plan to schedule appointments with local facilies to further my self education on the matter and may offer a second response..
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| Ed doesn't take much training to file, type, address concerns at the desk, that type of work to help out in the office. That way we could get our high price pay check code compliance people out in the field doing the job they were trained to do. How would you address the problem of not enough people to handle the load in code compliance? the city does not have the resources to hire more employee's and the people that went thru the CLI at least have a willingness to get involved, unfortunately we do not have enough board positions to give them all one, so this might keep their interest up rather than just say thanks se you later. Last edited on Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 07:36 pm by johnnyk597
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johnnyk597 wrote: Christa, the talk was about taking citizen leadership graduates and having them to volunteer to help code compliance since they are short handed and the city is not going to hire any ones soon. help them with their back logs and paper work not go out on witch hunts. Hope the clarification helps. It would free them up from the paper work to do their jobs not to flood the streets with my neighbors and friends to go out and create enemies or hard feelings between them. Seems to me the city was Salem that did that years ago, whitch hunting.
What type of qualifications would a "citizen leadership graduate" have that would qualify them for this type of position over any other person?
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| Sorry Mr. Dison, I just couldn't help myself, I'll get back on thread now.
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| Christa, sorry girl we can't start our little hierarchy, their is a P&Z commissioner already doing that supposedly, so thanks for the thought. Hey I wonder if he has a neat arm bands we could wear? Has to say AJ on them with BIG letters tho.
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Ms Rizzi, I would like to hear your views on the stable issues.
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| Christa, the talk was about taking citizen leadership graduates and having them to volunteer to help code compliance since they are short handed and the city is not going to hire any ones soon. help them with their back logs and paper work not go out on witch hunts. Hope the clarification helps. It would free them up from the paper work to do their jobs not to flood the streets with my neighbors and friends to go out and create enemies or hard feelings between them. Seems to me the city was Salem that did that years ago, whitch hunting.
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johnnyk597 wrote: A citizens committee to scout violations, WOW, Hiel Christa auctum to the fuhuer , maybe we can start up a youth group too with little arm bands, Yeh instead of SS put on them we can really sell the city, we'll put big AJ arm bands on them. Then we can go after everyone that doesn't adhere to city policy instead of just a race or nationality. Hey I'm part German, I can dig that. let's do it girl. What shall we call this committee let's see, I know, how about the Shanonnites. That way we can get them all at one address. WOW great idea man when we going to start?
Come back to earth John,
I heard you talk about volunteer "scouting" in refference to A frame sign violations..
I don't think scouting should be done, but you keep saying the city can't/dosen't enforce it's codes and they use selective enforcement. So would you prefer a group go out to scout so every violation is nabbed or have the city act off complaints as other cities do?
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Christa_Rizzi wrote: I agree, turning in your neighbor is ridiculous and was a lousy thing to do..
That being said unfortunately most cities respond to complaints, they're not out scouting for violations. Maybe we need a committee of volunteers to "scout" all violations.
I feel the show of force "gang mentality" isn't going to be as effective as bringing facts and stating your cases respectfully..do you listen when someones voice raises?
Maybe it is political maybe it isn't but I will say citizens are fed up with those who threaten law suits every time they don't get their way..
I'd bet if someone approached you and right off tried intimidating you'd dig in your heels ..
All I'm saying is think about how it appears to come across. I have the feeling a reasonable agreement will be reached that the majority can live with if everyone (myself included) were to just take a deep breath..
Let's work together so it doesn't turn into an unnecessary, community dividing war..
Peace
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Scouting for violations? The boarding facilities, and every other business, have plenty of folks that are scouting for violations. They are called customers.
If individual citizens begin to "scout" for violations, on private property, then they will have opened up a very rotten can of worms. Maybe some of us should install cameras, just in case. Read those ARS carefully kiddies, especially before starting a code compliance war.
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| A citizens committee to scout violations, WOW, Hiel Christa auctum to the fuhuer , maybe we can start up a youth group too with little arm bands, Yeh instead of SS put on them we can really sell the city, we'll put big AJ arm bands on them. Then we can go after everyone that doesn't adhere to city policy instead of just a race or nationality. Hey I'm part German, I can dig that. let's do it girl. What shall we call this committee let's see, I know, how about the Shanonnites. That way we can get them all at one address. WOW great idea man when we going to start?
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Christa_Rizzi wrote: Ed Dison wrote: I personally do not take issue for "those who have tied their personal agenda in with what many have worked on for over a year", the reason? This has been an issue long before someone decided to turn someone in who was running for a political position with the city. I look at the situation as "dirt in politics". See what you can get on the other guy. It's pretty cut and dry considering no one before, or after the election has been cited. So how does this "personal agenda" have anything to do with this? I would think the person that filed the complaint on said fence is the one with an agenda, not the one who had to remove/shorten their fence.
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I agree, turning in your neighbor is ridiculous and was a lousy thing to do..
That being said unfortunately most cities respond to complaints, they're not out scouting for violations. Maybe we need a committee of volunteers to "scout" all violations.
I feel the show of force "gang mentality" isn't going to be as effective as bringing facts and stating your cases respectfully..do you listen when someones voice raises?
Maybe it is political maybe it isn't but I will say citizens are fed up with those who threaten law suits every time they don't get their way..
I'd bet if someone approached you and right off tried intimidating you'd dig in your heels ..
All I'm saying is think about how it appears to come across. I have the feeling a reasonable agreement will be reached that the majority can live with if everyone (myself included) were to just take a deep breath..
Let's work together so it doesn't turn into an unnecessary, community dividing war..
Peace
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Ms Rizzi, "gang mentality"is a term I personally take offense to! I have fought cities, and even the state of California on issues that were were not in the best interest to all. Believe me, I am not intimidated by anyone! As you well know, I represent a group of horse people that you also belong to. I am not a resident of Apache Junction City, but reside just out side of the city limits in Pinal County. I have a business that is licensed in Apache Junction, and try whenever possible to do all of my shopping in the city. Some people including certain city officials have a problem with this, are you in that group? You are right, I will and do dig my heals in deeply when the issues concern horses, maybe this is why I was elected to serve as Chairman of SHA, and have their full support. As far as a committee to"scout out violations", isn't this already in place? But you state "that was a lousy thing to do"? It's sometimes hard to figure where you stand on issues. I know my son has caught someone taking pictures of my front fence. And, no offense, but does your property meet all the city codes?
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Ed Dison wrote: I personally do not take issue for "those who have tied their personal agenda in with what many have worked on for over a year", the reason? This has been an issue long before someone decided to turn someone in who was running for a political position with the city. I look at the situation as "dirt in politics". See what you can get on the other guy. It's pretty cut and dry considering no one before, or after the election has been cited. So how does this "personal agenda" have anything to do with this? I would think the person that filed the complaint on said fence is the one with an agenda, not the one who had to remove/shorten their fence.
Ed Dison
I agree, turning in your neighbor is ridiculous and was a lousy thing to do..
That being said unfortunately most cities respond to complaints, they're not out scouting for violations. Maybe we need a committee of volunteers to "scout" all violations.
I feel the show of force "gang mentality" isn't going to be as effective as bringing facts and stating your cases respectfully..do you listen when someones voice raises?
Maybe it is political maybe it isn't but I will say citizens are fed up with those who threaten law suits every time they don't get their way..
I'd bet if someone approached you and right off tried intimidating you'd dig in your heels ..
All I'm saying is think about how it appears to come across. I have the feeling a reasonable agreement will be reached that the majority can live with if everyone (myself included) were to just take a deep breath..
Let's work together so it doesn't turn into an unnecessary, community dividing war..
Peace
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Christa_Rizzi wrote: Posted: Sun May 17th, 2009 06:13 pm
Ed Dison wrote: "This is an issue that is totally separate from this, and although some have tried to tie them together for enforcement/ personal gain reasons,"
Why has the fence issue become so critical to decide right now when other "horsey" issues being looked seem more important?
Do you not take issue with those who have tied their personal agenda in with the what you've worked on for over a year now?
Why is it that the fence issue must be on 3 separate agendas under current review?
Shouldn't the fence be pulled off the 3 agendas and stand alone, especially since it's appears so controversial?
Christa Rizzi
I personally do not take issue for "those who have tied their personal agenda in with what many have worked on for over a year", the reason? This has been an issue long before someone decided to turn someone in who was running for a political position with the city. I look at the situation as "dirt in politics". See what you can get on the other guy. It's pretty cut and dry considering no one before, or after the election has been cited. So how does this "personal agenda" have anything to do with this? I would think the person that filed the complaint on said fence is the one with an agenda, not the one who had to remove/shorten their fence.
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| Sorry folks, I should have put my most recent comments under the "Fence" post. :-) Last edited on Sat May 30th, 2009 09:20 pm by katy8520
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| Ok, Christa - I thought I had the fence issue agendas all straight in my mind but maybe I don't. :-) Please clarify for me the "3 separate agendas" that you are referring to. Maybe I've missed something along the way. Thanks.
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There is a difference in commercial and residential, and the codes in the city of Apache Junction separate the two. Mobile home parks in residential areas are required to have a higher fence, and we are talking about "commercial horse boarding" as defined by the city. So should this be looked at as an issue with residential? My feeling is higher fences should be allowed in rural areas, for everyone, horses or not. Should the issue be decided on one agenda? Higher fences should be added in the stable codes just as it is for mobile home parks, as a stand alone set of codes just for stables.
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Posted: Sun May 17th, 2009 06:13 pm
Ed Dison wrote: "This is an issue that is totally separate from this, and although some have tried to tie them together for enforcement/ personal gain reasons,"
Why has the fence issue become so critical to decide right now when other "horsey" issues being looked seem more important?
Do you not take issue with those who have tied their personal agenda in with the what you've worked on for over a year now?
Why is it that the fence issue must be on 3 separate agendas under current review?
Shouldn't the fence be pulled off the 3 agendas and stand alone, especially since it's appears so controversial?
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P&Z Commissioner, stables almost next door to said commissioner's home, using position to try to intimidate neighboring stable, comments made at P&Z meeting(recorded), comments made in THIS public blog (printed), and YOUR question was?
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Ed Dison wrote: How can a person in this position make decisions that effect the whole city if it also effects one's property investments and their own neighborhood? These commissioners have a very hard job to do as it is, but throw in having to make a decision that effects them personally spells disaster.
Aren't there residency requirements?
If so, then pretty much EVERYONE who serves on the P&Z would fall into that category, no?
Granted, a realtor may have a higher level of personal interests involved, but any other resident is also making decisions that might affect them directly.
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Ed Dison wrote:
Everyone, johnnyk597 is correct.There are too many people in the Apache Junction City government, on the Boards and commission level that should not be there for whatever reason. A Realtor sitting on P&Z, and the chairperson to top it off! How can a person in this position make decisions that effect the whole city if it also effects one's property investments and their own neighborhood? These commissioners have a very hard job to do as it is, but throw in having to make a decision that effects them personally spells disaster. I sat and watched the interviews and appointments for these positions, and it seemed the city counsel had a very small pool to choose from. Some people hold more than one appointment. I guess what I'm trying to point out to everyone here is GET INVOLVED! EVERYONE, GO TO ANY CITY MEETING YOU CAN! IT"S BETTER THAN TV, complete with comedy and drama acts at the end. APPLY FOR THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, I DID! JUST REMEMBER, if you are appointed, and something comes up that effects YOU or YOUR PROPERTY, do the right thing and excuse yourself, don't make the same mistake 'Madam Chair' made. Let's do everything we can to make sure our great grand kid's can still ride a horse freely about town in the future.
Ed Dison
Lemme get this straight. Ms Evans is not allowed to sit on P&Z because she's a realtor? But, a former councilman did not excuse himself from voting on an issue that directly affected him (his non-residence in the city). He was allowed to beg for special favors from the council for his employer. A councilmember attends every P&Z meeting about the horse boarding issue, visibly angry and fuming every time the discussion seems to go against his wishes, but THAT doesn't give the appearance of impropriety?
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Now in contact with the state of Arizona's Attorney General.
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johnnyk597 wrote: One more thing. When I was on P&Z Council had a retreat for them and staff It was open to the public and 3 people showed up for the 2 days of the retreat. The gentleman that was running it, no matter what the retreat was about right now, said something to all present when council said they wanted to keep AJ equestrian friendly and it has been ringing in my ears ever since. What he said was" GOOD LUCK, no other city has been able to do that in the valley. Words of advice to us that do own horse. I almost forgot, according to our city Attorney when I was on the commission, you may try to represent yourself as not to be a P&Z member, but being on the board people will always see you as a member and you represent the city at all times. This is what I was told on a matter that I tried to handle a a private citizen of of AJ. Even going to call to the public I was told was not illegal but unethical because it was taking a second shot at a subject and you could not separate the 2, being a citizen and a P&Z member at the same time. I responded that was poppy cock (nicer word than I used) but that's the way the city feels about it. WOW I got a dimes worth this time.
Everyone, johnnyk597 is correct.There are too many people in the Apache Junction City government, on the Boards and commission level that should not be there for whatever reason. A Realtor sitting on P&Z, and the chairperson to top it off! How can a person in this position make decisions that effect the whole city if it also effects one's property investments and their own neighborhood? These commissioners have a very hard job to do as it is, but throw in having to make a decision that effects them personally spells disaster. I sat and watched the interviews and appointments for these positions, and it seemed the city counsel had a very small pool to choose from. Some people hold more than one appointment. I guess what I'm trying to point out to everyone here is GET INVOLVED! EVERYONE, GO TO ANY CITY MEETING YOU CAN! IT"S BETTER THAN TV, complete with comedy and drama acts at the end. APPLY FOR THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, I DID! JUST REMEMBER, if you are appointed, and something comes up that effects YOU or YOUR PROPERTY, do the right thing and excuse yourself, don't make the same mistake 'Madam Chair' made. Let's do everything we can to make sure our great grand kid's can still ride a horse freely about town in the future.
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| One more thing. When I was on P&Z Council had a retreat for them and staff It was open to the public and 3 people showed up for the 2 days of the retreat. The gentleman that was running it, no matter what the retreat was about right now, said something to all present when council said they wanted to keep AJ equestrian friendly and it has been ringing in my ears ever since. What he said was" GOOD LUCK, no other city has been able to do that in the valley. Words of advice to us that do own horse. I almost forgot, according to our city Attorney when I was on the commission, you may try to represent yourself as not to be a P&Z member, but being on the board people will always see you as a member and you represent the city at all times. This is what I was told on a matter that I tried to handle a a private citizen of of AJ. Even going to call to the public I was told was not illegal but unethical because it was taking a second shot at a subject and you could not separate the 2, being a citizen and a P&Z member at the same time. I responded that was poppy cock (nicer word than I used) but that's the way the city feels about it. WOW I got a dimes worth this time.
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Well that's what the first step is in all Cities that used to have horses abound and now they have either none or very little. Have them start arguing and dissent between themselves and then WHAMMO reg's and fee's and we move on to someplace else. This time there is no place else, AJ is it for the east valley. Their agenda is to divide and conquer, we MUST stick together or equestrian life in AJ will soon disappear. What a shame with all the beautiful trails and so close to the mountains and wide open spaces. But of course there is the flat desert country to ride in if we don't stay, stick, join forces, hey use any ajective or adverb you please within any phrase you pick and it all boils down to UNITY in the horse community. There's my nickels worth, stay safe and have a nice day.
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Posted: Wed May 20th, 2009 07:44 am |
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And now we see the true agenda.
By drawing the members of the horse community out into a long repartee on the blog or in the council chambers, the ruling class will be able to further hammer down the boarding facilities. All it takes is one rude attack from a horse boarder or boarding facility owner and they relegate them to the neo-groundling section of the council meetings.
With all due respect councilman...err...horseracer, Burger King is more aromatic than the boarding facilities and your facts are questionable, at best. This town isn't for everyone and if you find the town to be objectionable in some deeply personal way, perhaps the best course of action for your own health would be to locate a town that is more in-tune with your philosophical alignment.
So, a proper facility is going to be determined by "the officials"? And you don't see an issue with that? "The officials" have made up their mind. There is a growing sentiment that the P&Z committee has taken up sides and is using their position and influence to effect an outcome that best suits their own personal and financial gain.
I hope I am wrong, but fear I am right.
James
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Posted: Wed May 20th, 2009 07:28 am |
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horseracer wrote: Hey Ed you are the one with your information out of wack, apparently you would not know a Barn if you rode a horse out of it. ANd Officals need to really step up on what a proper facility is.
horseracer, having owned a few barns( the structures, not the facilities you abuse race horses at), having built quite a few barns, still building barns, your right I probably wouldn't know one if I rode a horse out of one, but I can assume that your going to tell me on these here blogs what a barn really is( I'm eagerly awaiting, this way I can build em right). Blogs, the place where you can use a silly name (we know who you are), slam people in type (I use my real name, as do the other "straight up people" here), slander cities (apache "junk"tion,shows your mentality) make yourself look great (only in your own mind), run around here with a giant chip on your shoulder(I would be glad to remove for you), and interject your knowledge after the fact(in this case it seems to be stupidity), and slander people's hard work (boarding stables in AJ). This is about a Planning & Zoning Commissioner's misuse of their authority(missed the boat, are you mad?) Maybe you could start your own topic on "barns, the advantages of my(legend in my own mind) expertise interfering with what you may know and are doing now". I'm sure you could find other people that would see your point of view(there's plenty of idiots on these blogs that will argue about anything with you, and I'm sure it will be a natural attraction). And you know how to contact the city officials about your concerns, just remember to use your real name(sorry! almost slipped and gave you away), as i doubt they will reply to horseracer (horse racing, kind of an abuse is it not). Anyways, I'm really sorry I'm just not getting your point(already heard your ramblings before), but I'm sure "you'll be back". Ya' all have a nice night, and let me know about that "chip", you have my numbers. FYI, and all others concerned, the wheels are in motion on this matter, so I'm pretty much done here, thanks for all the blogs, both good and bad, and thank you horseracer, for letting me "get to you", good luck in your crusade, I wish you the best of luck".
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Posted: Tue May 19th, 2009 11:17 pm |
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| Hey Ed you are the one with your information out of wack, apparently you would not know a Barn if you rode a horse out of it. ANd Officals need to really step up on what a proper facility is.
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