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J&JFarms
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 06:32 am |
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Crime and Punishment wrote: Now and then I scan the blogs to see what may be new that may have some real importance to the humanity of AJ. Not meaning to be cruel or disrespectful, but if you would all just step back a bit and just look at and read what you are talking about, and most the time arguing about, is, in my opinion, clearly unimportant when looking at the big picture.
Horses; horse people, not horse people; keeping a western feel in AJ because that is the way it has always been; how high or how low a fence is; who is grandfathered in and who is not; and on and on. I guess this chit chat on what appears to me to be nothingness, means something to a few, because it is the same people, maybe 15-20 out of a city of 40,000 that seem do all the talking.
Iran is killing citizens who are fighting for democracy, N. Korea says they are going to wipe U.S. off the face of the earth, our soldiers are dying in Iraq, America is in dire $ straits and on and on. What I see, is that what we fight and argue about in this little city of ours, just doesn't seem to be that important when looking at the big picture of humanity.
Just maybe it is the leaders of this city that set this course of mediocre discussion, because of their inability to lead as twenty-first century thinkers. We can benchmark quality leadership by observing the mayor of Mesa. Now there is a leader, and it shows not only in his and the council's performance, but their professionalism is contagious and ultimately reflects in the performance and actions of their citizens.
You must understand that the incremental restriction of private property rights is a major concern. The destruction of a lifestyle and revenue stream is a valid issue.
I disagree with your premise, when the citizens of AJ stand up in defense of our rights we are doing EXACTLY what those in Iran are doing. We are standing up for our rights and against any restriction of them.
Myself and many others support our soldiers and we should know that they are defending our rights and the rights of others around the world from those that would kill to keep power.
It is our duty to stand up for our rights, for what we believe in. What is more important than that?
Perhaps we can join hands and have a sit-in in protest of the killing of African Elephants. That'll show 'em.
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J&JFarms
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 06:27 am |
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flygad1 wrote: J
Again I will say as I have for years- I have always been willing to help people change the status quo in Apache Junction. I have been attacked by all of the usual pawns including the AJNEWS etc.
I also have learned some very valuable lessons that have been instrumental in some minor change.
If you guys would take a few minutes to be civil you may make important discoveries.
EF
Curious that you would propose civility.
Understand that not every parcel within the city limits, not every person, business, or activity is equal. We have zoning laws, public safety considerations, and common sense.
I too have learned a thing or two, lived in a couple towns in my life and I have seen firsthand what happens when City Councils head down this path.
Generally, this is the period in time that is generally considered the tip-point. Of course it often is realized until the decline has started.
Whenever the topic of restricting private property rights is addressed, any restrictions should be applied with the utmost caution.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 03:17 am |
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Crime and Punishment wrote: .... N. Korea says they are going to wipe U.S. off the face of the earth, .....
WHERE did you see this??
Just curious,
Joe
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:46 pm |
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Now and then I scan the blogs to see what may be new that may have some real importance to the humanity of AJ. Not meaning to be cruel or disrespectful, but if you would all just step back a bit and just look at and read what you are talking about, and most the time arguing about, is, in my opinion, clearly unimportant when looking at the big picture.
Horses; horse people, not horse people; keeping a western feel in AJ because that is the way it has always been; how high or how low a fence is; who is grandfathered in and who is not; and on and on. I guess this chit chat on what appears to me to be nothingness, means something to a few, because it is the same people, maybe 15-20 out of a city of 40,000 that seem do all the talking.
Iran is killing citizens who are fighting for democracy, N. Korea says they are going to wipe U.S. off the face of the earth, our soldiers are dying in Iraq, America is in dire $ straits and on and on. What I see, is that what we fight and argue about in this little city of ours, just doesn't seem to be that important when looking at the big picture of humanity.
Just maybe it is the leaders of this city that set this course of mediocre discussion, because of their inability to lead as twenty-first century thinkers. We can benchmark quality leadership by observing the mayor of Mesa. Now there is a leader, and it shows not only in his and the council's performance, but their professionalism is contagious and ultimately reflects in the performance and actions of their citizens.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:46 pm |
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Now and then I scan the blogs to see what may be new that may have some real importance to the humanity of AJ. Not meaning to be cruel or disrespectful, but if you would all just step back a bit and just look at and read what you are talking about, and most the time arguing about, is, in my opinion, clearly unimportant when looking at the big picture.
Horses; horse people, not horse people; keeping a western feel in AJ because that is the way it has always been; how high or how low a fence is; who is grandfathered in and who is not; and on and on. I guess this chit chat on what appears to me to be nothingness, means something to a few, because it is the same people, maybe 15-20 out of a city of 40,000 that seem do all the talking.
Iran is killing citizens who are fighting for democracy, N. Korea says they are going to wipe U.S. off the face of the earth, our soldiers are dying in Iraq, America is in dire $ straits and on and on. What I see, is that what we fight and argue about in this little city of ours, just doesn't seem to be that important when looking at the big picture of humanity.
Just maybe it is the leaders of this city that set this course of mediocre discussion, because of their inability to lead as twenty-first century thinkers. We can benchmark quality leadership by observing the mayor of Mesa. Now there is a leader, and it shows not only in his and the council's performance, but their professionalism is contagious and ultimately reflects in the performance and actions of their citizens.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 01:00 pm |
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Again I will say as I have for years- I have always been willing to help people change the status quo in Apache Junction. I have been attacked by all of the usual pawns including the AJNEWS etc.
I also have learned some very valuable lessons that have been instrumental in some minor change.
If you guys would take a few minutes to be civil you may make important discoveries.
EF
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J&JFarms
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 06:14 am |
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flygad1 wrote: If you horse association folks have so much support why don't you create a Initiative and put it to a vote in November. All your desired needs spelled out!
Your fearless leader of your association has such a terrific influence on people i'm sure he can get about one signature.
I am sure Doug and his pawns would file suit as usual !
We may be forced to do so.
I guess you are in the ranks of folks that don't see an issue when the city is incrementally applying additional undue regulations upon legal businesses.
I guess when it happens to something you hold near and dear you'll understand.
Hopefully you will have as many folks that come to your aid.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 10:42 am |
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If you horse association folks have so much support why don't you create a Initiative and put it to a vote in November. All your desired needs spelled out!
Your fearless leader of your association has such a terrific influence on people i'm sure he can get about one signature.
I am sure Doug and his pawns would file suit as usual !
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 06:45 am |
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Not only does P&Z have the authority over the issuance of Conditional Use Permits, there is a substantial cost associated with the request to obtain one. Since they can rescind them as well, the requirement of a CUP presents any and all horse boarding facilities that obtain one to remain under the thumb of the P&Z forever.
If this doesn't concern folks, it should.
The data that suggests a 6' fence to contain an Equine is sound, but it should be left to the property owner of the horse boarding facility, not the City, or worse a committee driven by a series of members with an agenda.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 05:19 pm |
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J&JFarms wrote: I can understand the frustration and apathy that comes with politics. Between the personal attacks, the large amount of time required, and the never ending assaults on our rights, it would seem that only a fool would become involved in the political actions of any city.
Unfortunately the time to become involved has arrived. I know that many have little or no opinion on the horse boarding issue, but in reality the incremental erosion of private property rights could face you too someday soon. Horse boarding, horsemanship, the traditional and romanticized Old-West lifestyle is integral to the mystique of Apache Junction.
We should all recall the famous poem by Martin Niemoller. Right now it is the Horse Boarding Facilities. Who is next?
Stand up for Private Property rights. After all, if you don't stand up now, who will be left to stand up for you?
I keep hearing, over and over again, that some of those who sit on the bench would prefer that hardly anyone speak, and not cause a "disturbance" in the upcoming meeting as well as the last meeting. I was under the impression that these were "public meetings", as required by law. I don't recall any meeting involving the "stable issues" getting out of hand. I can understand the bench wanting to bring back the order that was, and should be present, before the elections, but not at the cost of citizen's rights. Public hearings are for the bench to hear the public views and opinions, do they not want to listen? Are they trying to silence those that oppose their agendas?
Did anyone notice the push to pass the fence issue by council at the 06-16-09 meeting? One council member present only by phone, with every other word not being heard, looking at item 12 on case AM-6-08, that is misleading in its wording. What is going on here? Why would they want to separate this from the rest of the items?
In the case of item 12 on case AM-6-08, it states that a conditional use permit would be required to have a six foot fence on the front property line, but no permit would be required to build the fence. Is this so it has to go back to P&Z, where we know certain commissioners will oppose it based on personal reasons. Remember, P&Z has the final decision in regards to conditional use permits.
Should an invitation to all the local news channels be sent by the citizens of Apache Junction? Would this help insure the citizens are heard? Would this help protect everyone's rights? Media is a very powerful tool in the political arena, maybe this tool needs to brought out of the toolbox.
An invitation has been sent and accepted, to a law professor, that specializes in administrative law. His opinions should prove to be interesting.
Ed Dison
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 08:59 am |
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I can understand the frustration and apathy that comes with politics. Between the personal attacks, the large amount of time required, and the never ending assaults on our rights, it would seem that only a fool would become involved in the political actions of any city.
Unfortunately the time to become involved has arrived. I know that many have little or no opinion on the horse boarding issue, but in reality the incremental erosion of private property rights could face you too someday soon. Horse boarding, horsemanship, the traditional and romanticized Old-West lifestyle is integral to the mystique of Apache Junction.
We should all recall the famous poem by Martin Niemoller. Right now it is the Horse Boarding Facilities. Who is next?
Stand up for Private Property rights. After all, if you don't stand up now, who will be left to stand up for you?
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