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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 12:03 am |
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| @ 220 of the flippin' retards got caught! Yahoo!! Keep up the good work!
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:24 am |
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Stanley,
You mentioned the drug problem here. I'm not sure if you know this, but
check points for illegal drugs have been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme
Court. I don't know why this is the case since drugs are illegal and being drunk
in many cases is perfectly legal. Then again, the Supreme Court ruled
that slavery was legal a century and some decades ago. My favorite check point
story took place in Colorado. They were stopping vehicles and pressuring
the drivers to volunteer to give a blood sample. There were idiots in blue
jump suits who just happened to be private contractors. Worldnetdaily
reported this in 2007. Totally criminal.
http://blog.puppetgov.com/2007/09/20/highway-checkpoint-asks-drivers-for-blood-saliva-travelers-outraged-by-private-research-groups-request/
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 05:37 am |
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We don't pay property taxes to the city, are you sure Coleman said property taxes?
It should be on the video archives at city the website, lets have look..
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 02:52 am |
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| I happened to be at that meeting and the truth of the matter is that the esteemed Mr. Coleman missed the point completely! If you remember, his specific statement was, "We have two methods of creating revenue; impact fees and property taxes." I reminded him he left out (which is is of utmost importance) Sales Tax all together.
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 02:31 am |
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Donaldhere wrote: It seems the basis of my post has been skewed. I was more interested in the neighborhood rumblings of The Hitching Post potentially being politically targeted versus the ethics of police operations.
I don't know why the Hitching Post would be targeted any more than any other establishments in town. They had a disagreement with the city, it was resolved, they got what they wanted. I doubt that anyone associated with the city government even gives it more than a passing thought.
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 02:23 am |
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Stanley wrote: DUI checkpoints aren't going to do a thing to stop the rampant growth of 'Tweekerville' (this is the teenagers and young adults nickname for our dear city). Unfortunately, the police and council in this town are not at all concerned about the drug issue here. It may be that a drug bust doesn't pay the quick and easy $$$$ like a DUI, or it isn't as easy to do as a DUI (the police can spend their time watching the bars for easy DUIs, or it may be that a drug bust may have the added risk of having weapons involved. I don't know what the reason is but I do know that the drug situation here is very out of control and seemingly isn't being addressed at all.
Stanley
Not trying to get of topic but as an active member of Apache Junction Guardian Angels and Apache Junction Drug Prevention Coalition I can assure you the number of areas of our community known as "drug areas" are shrinking rapidly. In the past 3 years our police department has made a drastic impact on this in our community.
What we have in the areas that still exist is high concentration of use and activity but again the number and size of locations have been greatly reduced and our problem is nothing compared to what Casa Grande, Superior and Queen Creek are currently faced with.
Thank you AJPD!!
and Donaldhere,
I don't believe the city is "mad as hell". Mr Coleman pointed out an error and it was corrected. They're not targeting The Hitching Post, for hevens sakes the city gains from tax revenue from the business. Actually I've noticed quite often more patrons parking horses than cars, can someone get a DUI on horseback..
We're short handed officers but the city is going to send them out to watch one location ..not logical imo
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 06:44 pm |
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| ok, lets all agree we jumped before looking, and we were all taken not the way we wished.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 06:28 pm |
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| It seems the basis of my post has been skewed. I was more interested in the neighborhood rumblings of The Hitching Post potentially being politically targeted versus the ethics of police operations.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 06:11 pm |
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Don't worry, no offense taken, as I was quick to judge, too. This happens when you post in forums; you just cannot tell the tone/attitude behind a written post. And please accept my apologies, as well.
I still say KUDOS to AJPD.
Stanley Kupecki
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Stanley wrote: Kudos to the Apache Junction Police Department for their DUI checkpoints this last weekend. My wife and I live nearby Filly's and we are appalled at the amount of drunk drivers that pull in and out of there. The police are never watching the establishment and the drunks leave the bar going straight down Tomahawk or out the rear of the bar down Vista to avoid the main roads. They run in ditches, take out trees and cacti and are generally a hazard. My wife and I have watched this for years and, although it is long overdue, we are looking forward to the police department finally stepping up their DUI patrol in this area for the safety of our neighborhood and our streets. Stanley and Patricia Kupecki, Apache Junction
ok, you read anger in my statement, which there was none. I was trying to speak with you on what you wrote. You accuse me of drug use.?.
I do apologize has I did mix you and donaldhere up. sorry. But I did not mean to sound like an attack. If you know me, that is not me. And on some things, it might have sounded like, but did not mean, things do not happen (as in officers poaching and what ever), just that it is not wise to do so. I really do not believe either is "easy" I was just trying to point out that DUIs are not liked by alot of officers due to the time that they take and the frustration of seeing a drunk get away due to a technicality, again not saying they wont do them (dui). it is hard to communicate by type. the emotions are read into it, may not by the ones we are tying to pass on. again, I did not mean to offend. just like you stated in your first line "i did not mean" i too will say it. We are on the same side. I just do not like to hear we do something to avoid doing something else.
also officers do gravitate towards things they like. I am into traffic collision investigations, others will spend their whole career investigating frauds, forgeries, narcotics, burglaries, crimes against persons (assaults, rapes and homicides). we do a general of them all, but will gravitate towards training into something we enjoy or are drawn too.
Again, sorry about the mix up, it was my error and I read donalds and then yours and put them together, we all make mistakes and I made one. hope you accept this.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 04:26 pm |
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"To talk about how easy a DUI is, has to be from one who has never attempted to do one."
I didn't mean that a DUI was 'easy', what I meant was I would assume that it would be easier to find and spot a DUI then to find and spot a drug user/seller. As you state, there is the odor of alcohol and the other obvious signs/tests. But a drug dealer, for the most part, isn't going to have any 'telltale' signs such as this. He isn't going to stagger, smell of 'drug sales', or sing the "I Just Sold Drugs" alphabet. I would assume it would take a lot more investigation and police leg work to find, stop, and arrest a drug dealer. But if you say it is easier to do than a DUI I will believe you. I have no reason not to.
"oh, and one other things, if we poach, just sit there and watch a bar for DUI's, Juries do not like that. Look at the bars and see if we are sitting there watching them, not happening."
Um, yes you do. I can see Superstition Skies from my son-in-law's backyard and it is perfectly obvious how the police hide and stalk the drivers leaving there. As I said, I have nothing against that, I just wish they would watch Filly's the same way as I believe by my years of observance that those drivers leaving there are far too drunk to drive.
"Stanley, have you looked into our stats? to see how many drug arrest we make compared to DUI's? or are you just mad at the police?"
What the Pete's Bleep are you talking about? When did I say I was mad at the police? You are off your rocker!
"If we were ever ordered to do what you implied, stalking a business because somebody in council doesn't like them, one of us would say so, more then likely myself. "
I did not imply that, another poster did. I do believe you are either extremely overworked, bitter at a society that you secretly hate, or [this unfair statement {accusation} has willingly been removed by me and I apologize for stating such a thing to begin with], because your post was all over me and without provocation or just cause. I'm starting to really regret praising the Apache Junction Police Department. You have shown me a whole new side to the department. A side that many people have implied to me but one that I have never believed.
"One last thing, Stanley, call MAD and tell them about how you feel about DUIs."
As for me calling MADD and telling them how I feel, perhaps you did not read my original post supporting getting the DUIs off the road and praising the police department!? You seem to jump to a mighty defensive stance without reading the true facts. Unfortunately, a person who could so easily jump to such a quick and wrong assumption would make a very poor police officer in my opinion.
Good day. Get some rest.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 03:37 pm |
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Stanley wrote: DUI checkpoints aren't going to do a thing to stop the rampant growth of 'Tweekerville' (this is the teenagers and young adults nickname for our dear city). Unfortunately, the police and council in this town are not at all concerned about the drug issue here. It may be that a drug bust doesn't pay the quick and easy $$$$ like a DUI, or it isn't as easy to do as a DUI (the police can spend their time watching the bars for easy DUIs), or it may be that a drug bust may have the added risk of having weapons involved. I don't know what the reason is but I do know that the drug situation here is very out of control and seemingly isn't being addressed at all.
Stanley
This would be funny if not sad. It's called a grant, these started when walp was chief, how long ago was that? When you get a grant, money, you agree to do certain things, these are one of those, check points. It is funny when we make an arrest, we are told of other crimes we should be doing other then the one who is getting arrested for. To talk about how easy a DUI is, has to be from one who has never attempted to do one. They are difficult and time consuming. They go to court more then just about any other crime, for example, if you see a man climbing out of a window with a tv in his arms, we don't have to ask him if he has any injuries to his legs or what kind of shoes he is wearing. We don't have to do a breath test if we find an ounce of meth in someones pockets or draw blood, unless they are driving and then we do a DUI drugs. just for fun, pull a police report for a drug arrest and pull a report of a DUI. the DUI will be at least 4x as thick as the drug bust. why? if you find drugs in someones pocket, you just have to say you found drugs in someones pocket. kinda hard to defend. do you know what a drunk looks like? can you tell if someone is drunk while driving? then why do we have to have you touch your nose, walk a line, count on your fingers, say the alphabet (drunks usually sing it). can you tell me? most likely not, because you don't work to try to make the roads safe and protect peoples rights, it's a fine line. How many people are killed while driving drunk compared to people driving on drugs? Stanley, have you looked into our stats? to see how many drug arrest we make compared to DUI's? or are you just mad at the police? If we were ever ordered to do what you implied, stalking a business because somebody in council doesn't like them, one of us would say so, more then likely myself. We are not a private security force, we are police officers. oh, and one other things, if we poach, just sit there and watch a bar for DUI's, Juries do not like that. Defense attorneys will jump all of it. Look at the bars and see if we are sitting there watching them, not happening. The best way not to get a DUI is don't do it, get a ride. Did you know the bar will call us if someone who is really drunk refuses their offer to get them a ride? Drive throughs will call us to tell us there is a drunck at their window. Why is that? most people do not want drunks on the road, they kill people. One last thing, Stanley, call MAD and tell them about how you feel about DUIs. Most of them have lost a loved one to a drunk driver, they would love to speak with you on this, I'm serious, call them.
MrsK, sry you were offended by the question. He more then likely really didn't care where you were going, he just needed you to talk so he could hear you speak and smell your breath. he was looking for slurred speech and the odor of an alcoholic beverage. I don't think he meant to offend, but I'm sorry if you were. and thank you for defending your police department.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 05:50 pm |
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Patrolling does more than just look for DUIs.
While I was getting water at the standpipe on Ocotillo Friday night and Saturday I was surprised to see a patrol car pass by not once, but several times. That's one of those neighborhoods that has turned into a rough one. Friday night I thought maybe something was going on, but when I also observed this on Saturday morning I thought maybe something is changing.
People on this board who don't like cameras have been saying that cameras can't take the place of an officer on patrol and I agree with that.
There are some areas of town that need more police presence. It does seem that for a few years there was not much being done about the drug problem but I think maybe the current chief is trying to change that.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 05:43 pm |
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DUI checkpoints aren't going to do a thing to stop the rampant growth of 'Tweekerville' (this is the teenagers and young adults nickname for our dear city). Unfortunately, the police and council in this town are not at all concerned about the drug issue here. It may be that a drug bust doesn't pay the quick and easy $$$$ like a DUI, or it isn't as easy to do as a DUI (the police can spend their time watching the bars for easy DUIs), or it may be that a drug bust may have the added risk of having weapons involved. I don't know what the reason is but I do know that the drug situation here is very out of control and seemingly isn't being addressed at all.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 02:49 pm |
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Donaldhere wrote: Not really. They have stepped up check points and patroling only as of late. I know, I drive by several times a day and have lived up her for nearly 15 years.
Well, I have been caught up in a couple of them. Once at SR88 and Superstition Blvd, on a holiday weekend, and another time on Apache Trail at Ocotillo (also a holiday weekend).
Now, I do resent being asked where I am going, as was the case at Apache Trail and Ocotillo. That was several years ago and was the first time I remember seeing a check point in town. The cop asked me where I was going, as if that was any of his business, and I said "Wal Mart." Then he asked me if I had had anything to drink.
The more recent one, they were much more friendly. They told me it was a sobriety checkpoint and I replied that I was pretty sober.
I am glad to see more patroling. It is needed. I have lived here for nearly 41 years, and have seen some areas of town turn into tweeker slums.
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lets get some cameras over there!
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ok
lets look into this anyone who thinks this is harrassment let me know
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 06:01 am |
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| Not really. They have stepped up check points and patroling only as of late. I know, I drive by several times a day and have lived up her for nearly 15 years.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 05:36 am |
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| These checkpoints have been going on for quite awhile, and I mean several years. I don't think they have anything to do with the Dash Inn or the Hitching Post.
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I see you do not understand the reality of what is going on here. This action has nothing to do with boaters coming back from the lake or drinkers leaving Philly's! The city is mad as hell at the owners of Dash In and their sister business, the Hitching Post for winning the argument against them related to the usurious $66,000 impact fee they attempted to impose! I would love to know who is behind this scam. The owners are concerned and will testify to the fact during these raids, there has been an officer standing across the street from their establishment for hours at a time watching customers come and go! Many patrons have already expressed their fear of doing business here. Where's the Sheriff now? I pray he is not involved in this travesty. I highly suspect someone very close to the city council. You know, the person who LOST THE CASE! You know who you are and so do we. If this gestapo action continues, beware, for there may be some surprise law suits. I call for our Sheriff to look in to these allegations immediately. This has become the talk of the entire Superstition Mountain community.
Don Holsten, The Superstition Finger Neighborhood
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 01:53 am |
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| Kudos to the Apache Junction Police Department for their DUI checkpoints this last weekend. My wife and I live nearby Filly's and we are appalled at the amount of drunk drivers that pull in and out of there. The police are never watching the establishment and the drunks leave the bar going straight down Tomahawk or out the rear of the bar down Vista to avoid the main roads. They run in ditches, take out trees and cacti and are generally a hazard. My wife and I have watched this for years and, although it is long overdue, we are looking forward to the police department finally stepping up their DUI patrol in this area for the safety of our neighborhood and our streets. Stanley and Patricia Kupecki, Apache Junction
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