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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 11:50 pm |
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SCG owns several vehicles that are used by Chaps, Standards and other entities. It would not be too much of a stretch to have a 15 passenger van for those folks who cannot get out. I would rather see monies spent for that purpose than some of the other things I have seen mentioned.
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| You are right Biker Dude. But when I bought here 10 years ago this was an Active Adult Retirement Community. It was then and is today and will be in the future an Active Adult Retirement Community. There may be a day that you will become disabled and not able to drive yourself, and will be in need of a van like that. Anyone who has a disability knows what you have to do to get the Surprise Dial a Ride. It is not always convenient and is not available the time you need it. God be with you if you never need this service but there are others who do. You don't see them or hear from them asking for it either, because they know that they are a minority and can't get things just for them when it doesn't benefit the entire community.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 09:26 pm |
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I doubt very much that we will ever see a Sun City Grand shuttle. That would not be in keeping with the active adult lifestyle and would brand us as a retirement community.
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| Great idea Cindisue. Every time that Dwig and Andyman speak for the board we should notify Mitzi and the Board of their antics. After all we are all entitled to our opinions but we are not supposed to represent some one else. These are supposed to be our thoughts, ideas, and opinions. If they can't speak for themselves without representing someone on the board then we should just disregard them as if they are dead space. Last edited on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 06:22 pm by ninuchy2
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Thank you Big Guy, no I won't respond anymore.
As far as the statement about Ms. Bails being the odd man out. I can’t imagine that it would be because of her experience, her fiscal responsibility as far as the city was concerned or the fact that she is a woman; if that would be the case that would be totally illogical and unprofessional and totally not in the best interest of the community. I did hear a comment at one meeting that you had to part of some social club to be included, but don’t really have any information other than what one lady said and just so you know it was recorded and played back on channel 22 as part of the meeting in case anyone wants to challenge the information.
I’m sure that dwig222 could tell you why she made this knowledgeable statement and believe me what ever her comments are, I will make sure that it is sent over to the board and Management (since she seems to be speaking for them) with questions as to why they would make Ms. Bails or any other resident the odd man out if they were to be elected by the residents to represent them on the board.
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Right on ninuch. A shuttle is a great idea. There are lots of people that don't have cars. Probably going to be a lot more as the Depression starts ramping up....
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| Boy after reading all the wants and desires of everyone out their I think that we as individuals should all send in our own personalized wish list of the things that we would like to see in this community. Since the board wants to spend money foolishly on Pickle Ball Pavilions and needless things like that, that will only benefit the few hundred people who play pickleball instead of the other 19,000 people that live here then I think that if we come up with 2 or 300 people who want a air conditioned dogie area we should get that too, and what a great idea that we put in an inline skate area for the50 or 60 people that inline skate. See how silly it sounds to spend money on the minority instead of the masses who live here. There will be a day when that money could have spent on something that would support and be for the interest of everyone in the community. I think a bus should be gotten to drive some of the shut ins who are not able to drive to the store and Drs. appointments. Other retirement communities have them and we could get volunteers who have their chaufers license to drive it. What a benefit that would be to some of the residents who live here. In fact one of the board members bought this up at the candidates forum about how she helps to take some of her neighbors these appointments. Why can't we think about this community as a whole instead of pieces that each group wants to benefit themselves. Last edited on Mon Feb 11th, 2008 02:34 pm by ninuchy2
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Cindy be the better person and don't respond this time. And thank you for copying the comments about Martha Bales. I'm sure if you did not the next thing we would hear from that poster would be how honest and straight forward Martha is.
Why would Martha be the odd woman out if she were elected to the board? From what I observed she was very good on the city council and always seemed to look out for what the city was spending.
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big guy wrote: Cindy, Cindy, Cindy when will you ever learn. Don't replay to idiotic comments.
I would like to request and in-line skating track. It is impossible to skate on the sidewalks here at SCG too many dogs. The cost would be around $50,000.
So lent Cindy the money for her dog park shelter..then few dogs chasing you around.
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cindisue_g wrote: Remember I already asked the question as to you saying I was disingenuous when you again incorrectly referred to what my positing said?
Yes--cindysue--that's very clear, uh-huh--sure, right. You write like the President speaks.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 03:18 am |
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dwig222 wrote: I have no problem with having a debate where everyone expresses his or her opinion. I have a huge problem when someone describes our board of directors as a “group of drunken sailors in port for the first time”. That’s unfair and inaccurate and I will be nasty to anyone who wants to play that nasty.
Our board has done a remarkable job in the last ten years. They don’t deserve that kind of insult. As far as the future, I think everyone should remember that these are conceptual ideas, they have not been approved. I’m not sure about the pickle ball pavilion. That may have been approved, but everything else is just a suggestion.
As far as not seeing the color as you enter SCG, that’s a rabbit problem that has been explained at numerous meetings and certainly we all can relate to. The rabbits have taken over and it is much more cost effective to find other types of plants to use at the entrance such as the Lantana. It’s sad, as I have enjoyed the beautiful, colorful plants myself, but we have to do what is most cost effective for the community.
The “new’ board is not really going to be a “new” board unless Martha Bails gets elected. I would not like to see her on the board, as she is deceptive and dishonest. She was on the City Council in Hawthorne, California and was asked to step down or was recalled, yet she doesn’t mention that on her resume’. If she does get elected she will see the same results she saw with the Surprise City Council being the odd man out.
You know, dwig, you have some gall. First you continue to lie about what I have posted. I never described our board as drunken sailors - what I said is that the community is spending like drunken sailor in a port. I guess you are not as knowledgeable as you pretend otherwise you would know that that means that sailors when they go to port have a lot of money to spend and spend it very readily. Then, you said that this was an insult and then you turn around and say that Martha Bails is deceptive and dishonest. Well, how insulting is your comment about Martha? I'll use your words I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if it is very derogatory, unfair and inaccurate and I will add insulting. Then you stated that Martha will be the odd man out if she gets elected, how do you know? Are you on the board. If you are we are in big trouble. Your character has shown through on other posts, but this time I am truly amazed. And talk about nasty, how nasty is it to call people deceptive and dishonest - now that is nasty.
I guess it is alright for you to voice an opinion or insult someone one, but not okay for anyone else to voice their opinion without being attacked by you.
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Great comments NLH. Finally someone has signed onto the blog with some intelligence to read the comments that are written and not put words into the other bloggers statements, or change their statements. You will find that Andyman, Dwig are two of the rudest bloggers out there. They cannot read without changing the facts to what they want them to be. I mostly agree with Cindisue and wish that she would not respond to Dwig or Andyman anymore either but I get it when she can't stop herself. I have been in that same position. Sometimes you just can't help but to respond to their nonsense. If anything it just gives you a little chuckle to read their idiocy and to call them out on it. Cindisue couldn't have said it better when they said she didn't have a life, well neither do they if they are constantly on this blog trying to humiliate and criticize everyone's statements and opinions because they do not agree with theirs. I for one think that they are idiots and will not respond to them.
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Since in essence you called me a liar, I will respond to your rudeness. Some facts: They have already allocated $17,000 for the pickleball pavilion's plans. The colours that I am referring to is not the plants at the entrance. It is the oleander and the other plants that are within the community. I did not make the comment about the board being drunken sailors, but I do go back and look at it. No one said the board was drunken sailors; I believe the sentence was something to the affect that the community has been spending like drunken sailors in a port for the first time with the CARE fund, the comment was made on February 4th. I'm not defending anyones comments, but it is really unfair of you to make a statement that someone did not say. I believe you owe the original poster an apology for misquoting the statement since you are so into fairness. You say that it was an insult to say something rude about the board, but you then turn around and say that Ms. Bailes is deceptive and dishonest; maybe you should take your own advice and not say things that are malicious about someone else. Posters like you are one of the main reason that I have not made any comments in a long time, your rudeness and misinformation is atroucious.
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| Since in essence you called me a liar, I will respond to your rudeness. Some facts: They have already allocated $17,000 for the pickleball pavilion's plans. The colours that I am referring to is not the plants at the entrance. It is the oleander and the other plants that are within the community. I did not make the comment about the board being drunken sailors, but I do go back and look at it. No one said the board was drunken sailors; I believe the sentence was something to the affect that the community has been spending like drunken sailors in a port for the first time with the CARE fund, the comment was made on February 4th. I'm not defending anyones comments, but it is really unfair of you to make a statement that someone did not say. I believe you owe the original poster an apology for misquoting the statement since you are so into fairness. You say that it was an insult to say something rude about the board, but you then turn around and say that Ms. Bailes is deceptive and dishonest; maybe you should take your own advice and not say things that are malicious about someone else. Posters like you are one of the main reason that I have not made any comments in a long time, your rudeness and misinformation is atroucious.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 11:52 pm |
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I have no problem with having a debate where everyone expresses his or her opinion. I have a huge problem when someone describes our board of directors as a “group of drunken sailors in port for the first time”. That’s unfair and inaccurate and I will be nasty to anyone who wants to play that nasty.
Our board has done a remarkable job in the last ten years. They don’t deserve that kind of insult. As far as the future, I think everyone should remember that these are conceptual ideas, they have not been approved. I’m not sure about the pickle ball pavilion. That may have been approved, but everything else is just a suggestion.
As far as not seeing the color as you enter SCG, that’s a rabbit problem that has been explained at numerous meetings and certainly we all can relate to. The rabbits have taken over and it is much more cost effective to find other types of plants to use at the entrance such as the Lantana. It’s sad, as I have enjoyed the beautiful, colorful plants myself, but we have to do what is most cost effective for the community.
The “new’ board is not really going to be a “new” board unless Martha Bails gets elected. I would not like to see her on the board, as she is deceptive and dishonest. She was on the City Council in Hawthorne, California and was asked to step down or was recalled, yet she doesn’t mention that on her resume’. If she does get elected she will see the same results she saw with the Surprise City Council being the odd man out.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 08:39 pm |
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How about a mechanics hobby shop. I would like a place to maintain the toys and meet others without having to worry about who is putting a scratch in the paint.
I mean as long as we are wishing here.
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| I think a room at both rec centers should be dedicated to and have a large screen tv and a Wii. We could have bowling and boxing tournaments.
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I don't post to this site very often, because of the continued rudeness. I still come on and read the comments. But I felt I had to comment on this subject:
I also feel that the SCG board should look at things more carefully, cost analysis for not only building but maintaining, before they make a decision to add another building to our property. The amenities are very nice, I'm sure that is why we all moved here, but we have to be cognizant of how the economy is going and make adjustments to our spending. Before we build a pickleball pavilion or other large ticket items, I would rather see more money spent in the upkeep of the community. One of the reason I purchased my house was because of what they call the "wow" factor when I drove in the main gate and throughout the community, the colours were magnificent. I don't really see that as much anymore. There is certainly not as much colour as there was when I purchased, I have to guess that the builder put much more money and effort into maintaining the common areas than we do since we are community maintained. I'm sure we would all like to add our favorite amenity, which is currently not included, mine would be an equestrian center, but we all know our thoughts are not realistic and it sounds to me that some people are having a lot of fun naming theirs. Just as with the City Council, having new members is a good thing, otherwise the terms would have been made indefinite. Getting new eyes and experiences is a good thing. Mr. Noteboom has done a good job, but the CC&R's state that someone can not be on the board forever. I enjoy reading everyone's opinions, except for those that feel they have to be rude to the other posters.
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| You know Andyman, no one wants to hear what you have to say either, but you have the right to make a comment and make a fool out of yourself, I enjoy it so much. It's funny you say I don't have a life, but you are on the same blog, so obviously you don't have a life. Have a good day. Last edited on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 03:46 pm by cindisue_g
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I love this thread. I love watching you old geezers make fools of yourselves. I used to have channel 22 and watched you do it at the Age Initiative meetings.
When are you going to realize that no one cares what you think CindiSue. You must not have much of a life.
Where's Ninuchy2 today? She's always good for a laugh.
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| Sorry Big Guy, I just can't resist. These kind of comments usually have no substance, since I'm guessing they can't debate a subject only attack and, after all, it is sure a lot of fun trying to get their goat!
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Cindy, Cindy, Cindy when will you ever learn. Don't replay to idiotic comments.
I would like to request and in-line skating track. It is impossible to skate on the sidewalks here at SCG too many dogs. The cost would be around $50,000.
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Milo.....It's a blog, I'm free to state my opinion - agree or disagree, it really doesn't matter to me.
You seem to feel that you are the only one allowed to voice an opinion - wrong. And if you have such a problem with someone voicing an opinion, why must you complain!!! If you don't like other people voicing an opinion, maybe it is time for you to stay off the site or only respond to those that were responding to you, which I was not.
And by the way, if you had a million dollars, I would be more than gracious and happy to take the gift from you
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Cindisue.......has anyone ever asked you if you ever shut up? If someone said they were giving you a million dollars you would complain or say they did not understand.
Oh I know! This is a blog and you are free to state your opinion. I bet I get a lot of people that will agree with me.
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As usual something rational, you only took a portion of the statement, here it is: "Why are these clubs not required to fund their own projects. I understand the pickleballers did put in $20,000 (but we are also told we can use this, but remember they put in xxx amount, so I guess that means they will be the only ones using the pavilion), which is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the costs. I would personally like to see a building in the pet park. We need a place for not only the dogs, but us to go inside when it is hot. It would be nice to have a fridge to store items for the dogs and ourselves. And of course, based on how everything else has been happened, I'll be willing to put $100 in the coffer for it, as I am sure the rest of the people that use the park regularly and then the association can pick up the tab for the rest." I was making the point that everyone wants something, does it make it right for the community, no - but at the rate the board is going, just about everything gets approved, so I put my request in on this blog (to my knowledge I don't think I ever remember the CARE committee requesting any money for a building for the pet park). Noticed in my post, I only used the word "I" with the requst. But the point being, why would one group over another not get their request, you want to continue to enhance the amenities of the community, is this not an amenity? I would bet more people use the dog park than the woodshop (that they paid over $170,000 for something that only approximately 200 residents use).
There has to be a line drawn, what is considered enhancing the entire community and what is not - do they take the number of the residents using the amenity into consideration (or could a club of roughly 200 get $200,000 and a club of 1,000 get nothing) or is on a first come first served basis until the money is completely gone? There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why dollars are spend, other than how successful the presentation to the CARE committee and board was or personal agendas.
By the way something rational, you have it incorrect again; I never said that all my neighbors agree with me, I said a lot of my neighbors agree with me. Remember I already asked the question as to you saying I was disingenuous when you again incorrectly referred to what my positing said?
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dwig222 wrote: cindisue_g wrote: I would personally like to see a building in the pet park. We need a place for not only the dogs, but us to go inside when it is hot.
So you want a dog park building??? You think that would "enhance the entire community" of Sun City Grand??? There are ten houses in my cul de sac. Only one has a dog. They never even use the dog park. What kind of logic is that?
DWIG: you totally miss the point. if Cindysue wants it, it's justified...it wouldn't matter if she owned the only dog in SCG...shed write back and tell you all her neighbors, frends and most of SCG agree with her.... If it involves an expense for something in which she has no interest, like pickleball, it's a waste of money. Let's just be grateful she is NOT on the board. It's called intolerence and it's an epidemic at SCG...all of my neighbors agree with me on that, so does most of SCG...don't ask me how I know, i just do...so there.
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cindisue_g wrote: I would personally like to see a building in the pet park. We need a place for not only the dogs, but us to go inside when it is hot.
So you want a dog park building??? You think that would "enhance the entire community" of Sun City Grand??? There are ten houses in my cul de sac. Only one has a dog. They never even use the dog park. What kind of logic is that?
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Pat, you are correct, there is nothing wrong with looking to the future. There is also nothing wrong with an infusion of new blood into the board. I was at one meeting and they were putting together a committee to look at staff salaries. They nominated I believe two board members and one not nominated spoke up (this was a newer board member) and said that maybe they should look at the qualifications of those that they are nominating. This person had been in HR and obviously very knowledgeable, but was not nominated for the committee - I really didn't understand this logic; here you have an expert in the filed you are researching and you don't use their expertise. Why?
I realize that it might be difficult to change their spending patters, but it can be done; it just takes some hard work. This is the same thing that many of the population of the United States is doing, to make sure their future is rosy. All they have to do, is to stop spending money on things that do not enhance the entire community. They have had the $'s coming in like gangbusters, especially for the CARE fund, but today's dollars are not the same as they were in 2004 and 2005, due to the housing market, but it seems as thought their spending remains the same. Last edited on Sat Feb 9th, 2008 05:40 pm by cindisue_g
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Cindisue: It doesn't pay to debate folks arguing with no real tools at their disposal.
Here is why some of us should be concerned about spending the next few years:
I submit a few facts from the latest US News & World Report, Feb. 11, 2008 Editorial from"Preventing a Panic" that arrived this week:
The financial community itself is bewildered and the Country's problems are so complex that nobody can give the right answers, because nobody understands the right questions to ask. Merrill Lynch, for example, holds mortgages that exceed it's net worth.
The Federal Reserve said this week that if things continue as they are, the dollar will be worthless in 5 years.
We have yet to see the problems emerging from securitization of credit cards, auto loans, and consumer debt.
Many banks are insolvent on paper throughout the Country.
Some 23 states are currently in recession.
"Quite simply, this financial crisis is the worst since the panic that led to the Great Depression."
So the rest of you arguing through rosy glasses we all adopted in past years simply don't see the outlines of the next couple years. Reserves and assessments depend on residents being able to pay them. It clearly is a time for caution. Many residents get it and expect our Board members to do so too.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind.
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big guy wrote: Cindy
Please don't respond to this kind of stupidity. This person is the neighborhood know-it-all and is probably the one we all roll our eyes about when they get up to talk at the board meetings.
Great advice BIG GUY. Take it Cindy. It is useless to try to talk to these people or to waste your time responding with them. You must have the feeling by now that everything you say is getting back to the board from these people. They are all friends of the board and would defend their actions with their last breath. Nothing you can say or anyone else can say will make these people think for themselves. They have been led around for so long and have been so deep in pockets that they are oxygen deprived. I said it before and I will continue to say it, they do not have a thought process left unless someone tells them the idea. They can not read without twisting your words. You might already have a reputation of being a grenade throwing terrorist, like I do, so nicknamed by Harvey and the board because I disagree with them and agree with thought thinking people like you.Last edited on Sat Feb 9th, 2008 02:42 pm by ninuchy2
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cindisue_g wrote: I think the community has been spending like drunken sailors in a port for the first time
I think this is a very irresponsible statement given the fact that we have a very healthy community. But I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if it is very derogatory, unfair and inaccurate.
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| The development that my friend lived in had a reserve that was well within the norm, but do to an unexpected replacement (something this community did not think had to be done for another 10 years), they were not prepared. In your words "chill out, sheesh", let others voice their opinions. If you disagree, that is fine, but I for one at my age will be here 25 or 35 years from now and I want to be prepared...those that are well into their senior years might not want to look to the future. If that means raising the fees by double, that would be okay with me - if it means to charge more for golf and other items, that is also okay as well. I have no problem spending money maintaining our current amenities, I just disagree with spending money foolishly; like on the possible pickleball club house, that is not needed, etc. Last edited on Sat Feb 9th, 2008 01:12 pm by cindisue_g
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Posted: Sat Feb 9th, 2008 03:04 am |
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Our reserves are in very good shape and within the accepted tolerence...of course we'll need cash for future special maint. --that's exactly why we have reserves in the first place...the communities in trouble are the ones who knuckled under to the cheapskates who never approved of the fees going up..that resulted in no reserves, which resulted in special assessments. Our fees are going up 4% this year to at least maintain our present amenities..chill out, sheesh.
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 02:50 pm |
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big guy wrote: Cindy
Please don't respond to this kind of stupidity. This person is the neighborhood know-it-all and is probably the one we all roll our eyes about when they get up to talk at the board meetings.
You know..............I had the same feeling.
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 01:52 pm |
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Cindy
Please don't respond to this kind of stupidity. This person is the neighborhood know-it-all and is probably the one we all roll our eyes about when they get up to talk at the board meetings.
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 12:14 pm |
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cindisue_g wrote:
Time will tell if we are fiscally responsible or not - I sure hope that years from now, we don't get hit with a high assessment like a friend of mine did ($17,000) to make major repairs. Her complex was only 18 years old and yes, they were in good shape until the day they had to replace all their siding (which they did not anticipate for another 10 years).
Maybe you're right Cindisue. I heard there was a big tornado in Tennessee. That's not too far from here. We better take the money and build a big shelter. It could happen to us.
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 02:01 am |
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Can someone tell me what blog these people are reading, because they are certainly not reading what is being said here. What I said was: "We voiced our opinion on the financial future of Sun City Grand. I am sorry to have to tell you this but we all have the right to voice our opinions, on this blog or to the board. You have no idea, unless you have spoken to all 20,000 residents who is the majority and who is the minority." I never said that the majority or minority agrees with me - Dwig was the one who said in a post previous to my comment that she was in the majority, here is her comment: "But you must accept the fact that the majority of the residents don't agree with you and the majority of residents will rule this community." - I guess you would surmise that she has spoken to everyone in the community and that is how she got her information. I also said: "by the way, my neighbors and a lot of people I meet in the community have the same opinion as I do, doesn't make mine anymore right than yours and if 19,999 agree with you, it does not make yours more right than mine."
Now sometimes rational, after re-reading the post how was I disingenuous? Did I say the majority agreed with me anywhere? Nope, didn't say it.
And you brought up the people that I am concerned about. Those that have a mortgage (even though I do not understand why anyone would have a mortgage in their senior years) or those that have to take out a reverse mortgage to live or those that make comments like this about a measly amount of money like $750: "Instead he gave us $750!!!! How could we refuse that kind of money???" Those are the people I'm worried about, in 10 or 20 years from now, if something were to happen what would they do?
I guess I have always looked to the future and a lot of people only look at what is going to happen today.
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 01:29 am |
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cindisue_g wrote: What is wrong with you dwigg - no one said anything about a battle...no one is fighting anything, except possibly you. We voiced our opinion on the financial future of Sun City Grand. I am sorry to have to tell you this but we all have the right to voice our opinions, on this blog or to the board. You have no idea, unless you have spoken to all 20,000 residents who is the majority and who is the minority.
Disengenius of you to diss dwigg on this...how come it's Ok for you to tell us most residents agree with you unless you've polled all 20,000 residents...those who either do not agree with the trend to maintain and expand amenities or who cannot afford to pay the fees are free to move to a less expensive communtiy, and i know several who have.
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 01:19 am |
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| dwigg, you are the one that needs to chill, baby. You seem to want to battle and fight all the time. If you want to debate, please do so with opinions without making up things that others have said.
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 12:49 am |
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Chill baby chill
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 12:29 am |
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What is wrong with you dwigg - no one said anything about a battle...no one is fighting anything, except possibly you. We voiced our opinion on the financial future of Sun City Grand. I am sorry to have to tell you this but we all have the right to voice our opinions, on this blog or to the board. You have no idea, unless you have spoken to all 20,000 residents who is the majority and who is the minority.
You must be reading an entirely different blog, since you are coming up with the wild hairs about a battle or fighting. No one said they were in bad shape today, we were talking about the future when major items will need to be replaced or repaired, you need to go back and re-read the posts, so that you can comment on what was being said, instead of making up items. Who said anything about a battle or fighting - you, only you. Why are you so angry, is it that someone has an opinion other than yours; by the way, my neighbors and a lot of people I meet in the community have the same opinion as I do, doesn't make mine anymore right than yours and if 19,999 agree with you, it does not make yours more right than mine. Why do you always think there has to be a battle or fight (this tells me a lot about you).
Time will tell if we are fiscally responsible or not - I sure hope that years from now, we don't get hit with a high assessment like a friend of mine did ($17,000) to make major repairs. Her complex was only 18 years old and yes, they were in good shape until the day they had to replace all their siding (which they did not anticipate for another 10 years).
Milo, I personaly feel that Mitzi's CI's are a great idea - what is wrong with more eyes and ears around the community -- you never can tell, a resident could come up with a great idea!
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Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 12:17 am |
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SCG is just like any other company. They have budgets and try to spend accordingly. Most managers are reviewed annually on plus or minus from budget. All you have to do is look at the financials for 2007 and it will clearly tell you that SCG is indeed in very good shape. Our reserve is a model for most retirement communities.
I see nothing yet that would qualify for over or unusual spending. Yes, times are trying for some right now but no need to panic. Mitzi is doing an exceptionally good job of communicating with the residents. Maybe some see her conceptual ideas as people wanting to spend......no it isn't, they are only ideas sent in from home owners. There is nothing wrong with "wishing".
Good luck to everyone throughout the year.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 11:07 pm |
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BB35 wrote: Cindisue: Good post and you are right on. No the Grand is not in good shape.
The grand is in great shape.
You can say you think that they need to be more fiscally responsible. But you must accept the fact that the majority of the residents don't agree with you and the majority of residents will rule this community. It's not 51% against 49%. All votes must pass at 68% or more. What does that tell you? You are fighting a losing battle. When the board tries to tell the people who oppose the issues that they don't have enough support they accuse the board of being rude.
I'm glad you have this forum to vent your frustrations.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 10:34 pm |
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| No one said they were in bad shape - we all just said we think they have to be more fiscally responsible. Which in our opinion, they are not.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 09:37 pm |
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I did not say they couldn't afford anything. I said IF they couldn't afford it OR if they didn't agree with it they will be facing a choice of accepting it or moving.
It is very irresponsible to say Sun City Grand is in bad shape. It is quite the opposite.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 08:48 pm |
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| How could you assume that someone can't afford more, if you do not know their financial picture, because they want the community to be fiscally responsible.. Last edited on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 08:55 pm by cindisue_g
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 08:28 pm |
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BB35 wrote: Good post and you are right on. No the Grand is not in good shape.
You better check your facts BB35. Sun City Grand is very much in the black. The majority of residents want to continue to see more amenities for the various clubs and the majority of residents are willing to pay higher association dues to make that happen. If you don't agree with that direction or you can't afford that direction then you have to do what is best for you. But I don't see us moving backwards or saving every penny we can. I see us moving forward and making Sun City Grand an even better place to live as the years go by.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 08:11 pm |
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| BB35--so it seems you'd favor pulling out all the landscaping which needs water and leveling all the amenities so we won't need to maintain them...just make me a promise you'll never run for Bd of Directors.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 05:57 pm |
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Cindisue: Good post and you are right on. No the Grand is not in good shape. The money markets and the value of the dollar is going down like a rock...
This will lead to high inflation and high prices for services.
People with retirement funds in the market are losing their shirts. The one thing I fear is we start to see abandoned homes around the Grand due to foreclosures.
We need to save every penny of cash we can. No more spending on silly things like pickle ball or other hobbies. Maintainance on the golf courses is going out of sight..
I is going to hard to just pay for normal maintenance.
There needs to be a committe appointed to see how we can cut expenses. The first place I would look at is to see how many plants we could cut from the common areas. Water and plant maintenance is going to be very expensive.
The Market newsletters I subscribe to are saying we are heading into a major Depression and several large Banks are on the edge of closing.
I remember the last one. I was just a very young kid and it was very bad. My parents were Okies. I noticed that "Hoover" villes are poping up around the country as people loose their homes.
I guess we could call them "Bushie" villes today...
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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| ninuchy, I believe you missed the point. I don't think anyone is a spy or do I care if anyone is a friend of anyone else or do I care what anyone thinks of this blog or any other, I simply feel that it is my right to disagree with something that the board does without insinuations that I do not have sense. I did not in my post say anything about any of the board members, their dedication or that they are not appreciated. I find it very interesting how people on this blog put words into other's mouths.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 03:45 pm |
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| Very well said Cindisue. I think all the people who are so quick to be critical of others are friends of board members. They read this blog to keep the board informed on what we the residents are saying and thinking. The board on several occasions have said that these blog and vent columns are useless but yet here they are with their little spies checking on all of us other residents who do not agree with their every action. When did the United States become communist to where we the people do not have a right to our opinions and our right to think for ourselves instead of being led around like a herd of lost sheep. I for one will continue to excerise my rights to be a free thinking opinionated person. That is my God given right and no one and I mean NO ONE will take that from me. They can be has critical has they like they can't hurt me, I won't let them. They need to get off of this blog sight and let us have our opinions without being called CAVE people or worse. Last edited on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 03:46 pm by ninuchy2
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