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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 02:13 pm |
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I don't think I said anything derogatory about the board in my post, just that I do not agree with the kind of spending that is being done. Sun City Grand has been a cash cow, especially for the CARE Fund for many years with the amount of houses that have been sold between 1997 and probably the first or second quarter of 2005 and it was basically an open check book. Now with the way the economy has been going it is time to sit back and really research the decisions that are being made. Not only would a pickle-ball club house cost a lot of money to build, there are utilities, cleaning, not to mention maintenance. Sun City Grand is an aging in place community - major (and very expensive things) are going to have to be replace in the coming years. The board did recognize this with their decision to raise what is in the reserve, but I don't feel that it is enough, we are just getting into the years where major replacement and/or repairs will have to happen.
I am sorry that you feel that if someone disagrees with the board that they are somehow being derogatory toward the individuals that serve on the board - I don't feel that is most people's intent. Do residents sometimes treat the board less than civil, yes. Does the board sometimes treat people less than civil, yes. The difference is that the board represents all of the residents of Sun City Grand in their position and the rude resident only represents themselves.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 01:32 am |
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dwig222 wrote: Milo wrote: What the hell are these people griping about? Everyone that has any sense at all knows that this is a well run community with few problems. Yes, we do have a few issues that may come up, but that's business folks! Financially we are in good shape and have planned well for the future.
What is wrong with improving upon what we already have? Our pickleball club, wood shop, softball club, etc. continue to grow and why shouldn't we spend a little money to upgrade. You knew when you bought in SCG that this is an active adult community. Take a close look at other adult communities and compare.
Those that sit back and want to watch grass grow have nothing better to do than chastise our Board of Directors. I offer congratulations to our Board and the other employees that make SCG an absolute fantastic community to live.
My suggestion is to live life happily and quit complaining.
Geez!
Well said, Milo!
Second that....it costs money to fund amenities...and the Bd. puts in a lot of hours for little respect nor appreciation...I hope following the next election, we don't get what we deserve.
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Milo wrote: What the hell are these people griping about? Everyone that has any sense at all knows that this is a well run community with few problems. Yes, we do have a few issues that may come up, but that's business folks! Financially we are in good shape and have planned well for the future.
What is wrong with improving upon what we already have? Our pickleball club, wood shop, softball club, etc. continue to grow and why shouldn't we spend a little money to upgrade. You knew when you bought in SCG that this is an active adult community. Take a close look at other adult communities and compare.
Those that sit back and want to watch grass grow have nothing better to do than chastise our Board of Directors. I offer congratulations to our Board and the other employees that make SCG an absolute fantastic community to live.
My suggestion is to live life happily and quit complaining.
Geez!
Well said, Milo!
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| Sorry you don't feel that because we do not agree with you that we don't have any sense....you sound like a board member. Why not just say, I don't agree with what some have said; I'm very satisfied - instead of saying people with any sense would agree with your perceptions. I totally disagree with you as do a lot of my neighbors, but I would not be as rude as you were and question your senses. Last edited on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 11:56 pm by cindisue_g
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 05:53 pm |
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What the hell are these people griping about? Everyone that has any sense at all knows that this is a well run community with few problems. Yes, we do have a few issues that may come up, but that's business folks! Financially we are in good shape and have planned well for the future.
What is wrong with improving upon what we already have? Our pickleball club, wood shop, softball club, etc. continue to grow and why shouldn't we spend a little money to upgrade. You knew when you bought in SCG that this is an active adult community. Take a close look at other adult communities and compare.
Those that sit back and want to watch grass grow have nothing better to do than chastise our Board of Directors. I offer congratulations to our Board and the other employees that make SCG an absolute fantastic community to live.
My suggestion is to live life happily and quit complaining.
Geez!
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ninuchy2 wrote: They can name who ever they wish as his sucessor like John Such but he is a Harvey clone so it will be the same old same old
Isn't that wonderful to know!! 
Harvey and his boys will still rule and the MAJORITY of the residents will be happy!
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I heard that it had something to do with the new library.
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| Did anyone read in the Surprise Independent that was released today about Harvey resigning his position on his own free will, it was his decision. Does anyone ever remember hearing Harvey say at any of the board meetings that he does not respond to anything written in the Vent columns or on the blog because we shouldn't be airing our dirty laundry out there for everyone to see, and it is a waste of time. Isn't it strange that he quoted statements that were made in the blog. I will still contend he did not resign his post on his own free will, there is something else behind it, he can sugar coat it all he wants but there are people out there that knows what the truth is. It really doesn't matter anyhow, because regardless if he is president or not he will still rule the roost as long as he serves on the board. They can name who ever they wish as his sucessor like John Such but he is a Harvey clone so it will be the same old same old until this entire board has been put out.
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 04:46 pm |
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| Dwig, you are an idiot and I will no longer waste my time responding to your rants. You are so deep in the pockets of the board it is no wonder that you cannot think for yourself, you are oxygen deprived.
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 12:48 pm |
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ninuchy2 wrote: I for one am tired of being disrespected by these board members.
Actually it's the other way around.
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ninuchy2 wrote: I for one am tired of being disrespected by these board members.
I have the feeling that this is becoming a growing trend in SCG.
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| Good for you Pat. Martha was the only fiscally responsible person we had on City Council. She is a very strong woman and will help to keep the arrogance of the other board members who are all men with the exception of one other woman in check. She will not be bowled over. She is the only one that I am supporting. Mr. Sullivan thinks that he did the community a great service with the Age Inititive, and always toots his own whistle. Has it done anything for us. I haven't seen anything remarkable come of it. Not all of us thought that it was such a great idea in the first place, and he was very arrogant in the way he treated people who was in opposition to it. I for one am tired of being disrespected by these board members.
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 11:48 pm |
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Pat, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I think the community has been spending like drunken sailors in a port for the first time with the CARE fund. What everyone has to realize is that we are not a "new selling community", we are a "sold community" and the CARE fund is dependent on the resale of houses. We spend $170,000 plus on an addition for the woodshop, which benefits how many people, possibly around 200 to 300. To me that particular decision was not fiscally responsibility. Now every other club wants something (pickle-ballers want a club house, soft-ballers want a equipment room, theater group wants a theater, etc. and why not everyone else has gotten things throughout the years; look the sewing group not only got new digs, but new machines as well. Where do we draw the line. There are no parameters set other than a group of residents making the decisions, who some might have agendas with regard to some of the clubs. We should have had a plan in effect that the group has to come up with 1/2 the money that they are asking for. They could do this by fund raising, donations from club members, sales, etc. But how do we change this know without pissing off a large amount of residents...we made our bed and now we have to lay in it....unfortunate.
As far as gating the community, I do not feel this will happen...the cost is astronomical to say the least. Not only is there the upkeep of the roads, but the cost of buying and installing the gates as well as maintenance of the gates. I don't think the residents would want to pay another $100 or more a month to pay for this.
Also, if we have lasted 10 years without a comfort station at one of the golf courses, why spend that amount of money for it now. The golfers should do what they have been doing, go before or go after...pretty easy to figure out.
I personally think that listening to the community on these items is the way to go, with past management, someone would say something and it was just blown off and now at least they will be listened to. But I firmly believe that we have to be fiscally responsibly with what we are doing. To spend $50,000 to $80,000 a year to clean the tennis courts; maybe if there are 1,000 members they can each pay an additional $50 to $80 in their club fees to pay for this. Same with the pickle-ballers, they can pay X amount more to pay for their new club house. Why not charge the golfers additional dollars for tee times to pay for the comfort station. What is wrong with each of the clubs paying for some of their amenities?
My vote will only go to those that understand the community and what it will take to keep it in a great shape without spending on things that do not benefit the entire community.
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 07:45 pm |
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Thanks Cindisue. Right now I am only supporting Martha. Too often a long serving Board develops a "go along to get along" culture. You also see that in Corporations, School Boards, golf boards, and most especially boards made up of retirees. Only Bill Sullivan displayed sensitivity on the need to hold costs in line in the year ahead.
Here are some of the "conceptual Ideas" that Mitzi Mills has solicited from residents:
Cleaning golf courts using new hires, estimated costs : "the addition of two full time people would cost approximately $50,000 in wages, taxes and benefits. If we go with an outside company for daily service it would cost $90,000 per year."
A golf course "Comfort Station" at the 14th hole, estimated costs "Preliminary Cost Estimates: $72,000 to $83,000...would require the addition of the comfort station requires water, sewer, and electricity" When one of our valley cities added similar facilities in a park with utilities available, the actual cost ran around $150,000.
CI)-008-2007-Gated Community -- It has been requested that we look into the costs and feasibility of gating the community. "The study will include the City of Surprise requirements for us to take over the maintenance of the streets, new personnel to man the gate"(s), ... and then there will be the costs of gating all entrances, the gate repairs which runs around $25,000 annually in another Del Webb community, excepting the incidents when trucks and cars push through the gates resulting in replacement. Ok yes, the incident of deliberate or accident push through is significant in all gated communities. They would also need to add replacements to reserve requirements for obsolescence. Then there is the costs associated with providing gate openers and/or electronic cards to each resident and their household memebers, the costs of issuing new ones until perhaps reimbursed by user fees, and cost of daily record keeping for such a large data base.
I agree with the idea of letting residents put forth ideas since that sometimes produces the best ideas, but why not balance that with talk about the need for controlling expenses when fuel costs, power bills, insurance, benefits and other variable costs are soaring?
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 04:53 pm |
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Pat, I'm with you the spending is way out of control. Even considering the pickelball club house with the way the economy is going is the stupidest thing I have heard.
Which candidates did you feel were more into being fiscally responsible?
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 04:12 pm |
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Goldrush: The current election will result in replacement of only one member from the list below. The rest are current Board members, with the exception of Martha Bails.
Martha Bails
Jan Kroesen
Rosemary Murphy
John Such
Bill Sullivan
I attended "Meet the Candidates" on Friday and found only 2 or 3 that I could support. No one talked about two of the big issues on my neighbors minds----security cameras operational at all entrances to SCG, and a Board willing to hold down spending in a severe recession. Instead, they all referred to a list of 20+ expensive projects they are currently entertaining, many which will cost thousands.
Goto GrandInfo.Com to read about these proposals. The Board also announced another 4 % increase in assessments and unknown increases in fees such as the CARE fee and a long list of fees associated with selling your home and using our facilities.
I sent in questions as did those sitting beside me, but it seemed they were discarded in favor Board friendly policy questions, often repetitive.
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Posted: Fri Feb 1st, 2008 03:48 am |
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| Unfortuntely only one will be able to get replaced. Hopefully everyone will want to see a new face on the board and not just re-elect the clones of Harvey
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. . . Noteboom is stepping down as chairman of the board, but wants to retain a seat on the board. The forthcoming election will permit residents to replace current board members through the power of the ballot box.
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| Yes Cindisue, They should be dismissed immediately. But our board people are special. They get away with alot. Most of them are unethical. I am sure that alot of people are starting to find out about Harvey and his group of clones. Hopefully we can get rid of at least one of them this election.
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| i have no idea how long harvey has been on the board...the first few years i didn't pay much attention to them until they decided they didn't like my wok pots....that got my attention....i have been under the impression it was 2 2 year terms....apparently i was wrong or it got changed.....and i really started paying attenion when the age initiative came up. whatever the reason for him stepping down mid-term, had to be a good one...he doesn't strike me as the type that would relinquish power readily
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Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 11:47 pm |
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| azsu, say it ain't so - no board member would defy the bylaws would they? If it is true, shouldn't they be dismissed immediately? Last edited on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 11:49 pm by cindisue_g
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cindisue_g wrote: I do not believe that all the residents of Sun City Grand feel the same way you do.
that's a safe conclusion...it's unusual that 10,000 ppl would feel the same way about anything.
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nope, thats not it
3.5 Election and Term of Office. Annual elections for directors shall be held in the first three
months of each calendar year. Directors elected at such annual elections shall take office on
April 1 of that year. Each director shall be entitled to serve a two-year term, provided that
directors shall serve until their successor is elected or appointed as the case may be and take
office. Directors may serve up to three consecutive terms.
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Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 09:48 pm |
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hmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!! mitzi, the reason for harvey stepping down as president.
now, thats a possibility..........she is doing a cc&r 101. maybe she found a part that said only 2 terms per board member. i shall have to read that part of the cc&r's.
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| I also suspect, that Harvey has trouble dealing with a strong woman who will not step aside to his antics.
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| Hey DWIG22 you should not be blaming the CAVE people for Harvey leaving the presidency. He has no one to blame but himself. Again as usual you are wrong. He will not be hard to replace. He should never have been president of the board for a 3rd term. Everyone else has to leave after serving 2 terms. What made him think he was so SPECIAL. Only his own ARROGANCE.
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| All of my neighbors agree, big thumbs up for Mitzi if she is the reason for Harvey stepping down. She probably did her homework and wondered how Harvey could serve 3 terms as President. Isn't it amazing how many of Harvey's friends read this blog and respond by trying to make us believe that he was so fantastic. What Bull. Unfortunely John Such is just a Harvey CLONE. But we'll see if he will at least try to treat the rest of us homeowners with some respect.
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| All of my neighbors give Mitzi an unanimous thumbs up! Her changes have all been for the betterment of Sun City Grand.
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I suspect Harvey Noteboom has stepped aside because of Mitzi. She has made too many changes too fast. He is still a board member.
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| he is still on the board....just not president
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Harvey is GONE AT Last..... He did a lot of damage.... I wonder if he is going to work for Pulte now???
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| I do not believe that all the residents of Sun City Grand feel the same way you do.
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cindisue_g wrote: No need for God's help yet and no need to worry, Harvey is still on the board (he just stepped down from President). Anyone that knows Roberts Rules of Order will be able to run the meeting. I believe Mr. Such will do a fine job.
Such is nowhere nearly as reflective or diplomatic as Harvey..this is a loss.
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| No need for God's help yet and no need to worry, Harvey is still on the board (he just stepped down from President). Anyone that knows Roberts Rules of Order will be able to run the meeting. I believe Mr. Such will do a fine job.
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azsu wrote: does anyone have a clue as to why harvey resigned as board president
I just found that out today and it makes me worry. He will be hard to replace. I can only think it's because of all the CAVE people. Now they will see what happens without him. God help us.
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goldrush wrote: "But...absolutely noting (sic) to lose (sic) by joining the suit..." and, in this case, nothing to gain. But it does keep idle minds busy.
If you took a computer class, Goldrush, you might be able to learn to cut and paste...so you wouldn't need to waste your valuable time correcting typos....talk about an idle mind being kept busy!
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| does anyone have a clue as to why harvey resigned as board president
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"But...absolutely noting (sic) to lose (sic) by joining the suit..." and, in this case, nothing to gain. But it does keep idle minds busy.
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| But...absolutely noting to lose by joining the suit...pulte flat out told me they won't fix what's not warrented...where did I get the crazy idea that a house should last a lot more than 2 years before needing repairs?
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 08:47 pm |
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S Stevens wrote: BikerDude, the law firm always takes their cut (anywhere between 20 and 30 percent or so) off the top. That is common practice.
Not only that, but they will abandon the effort if it doesn't generate enough absolute #'s to make it worth their while. And, it's not a forgone conclusion that the courts will grant them class action status if it ever gets that far.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 06:39 pm |
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| BikerDude, the law firm always takes their cut (anywhere between 20 and 30 percent or so) off the top. That is common practice.
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BikerDude wrote: Well I had my house "inspected" by a paralegal from the class action attorney's office last week.
This week I received a letter saying that my house makes me eligible to participate.
Now I get to see some of the fine print, which tells me some of the expenses that will be deducted before I get anything. Interesting.
. . . . were you expecting anything less? This is NOT a scam, but it is a fishing expedition. As P.T. Barnum said . . . .
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Biker
I have lived in Arizona all of my adult life. We have built five brand new homes in that time. Each time we were contacted and/or our neighbors were contacted by a law firm trying to put together a class action law suit against the builder. It's a common scam here in AZ and I would be careful if I were you.
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Well I had my house "inspected" by a paralegal from the class action attorney's office last week.
This week I received a letter saying that my house makes me eligible to participate.
Now I get to see some of the fine print, which tells me some of the expenses that will be deducted before I get anything. Interesting.
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BB35 wrote: I heard that one of the tricks the crooks are using to find unoccupied homes is they turn off some switches in the outside power box. Then they check back in a few days to see if the switches are still off..
I put padlocks on my outside boxes....
I padlocked my breaker box also, right after I found an electrician with the box open.
Said he had to change defective breakers. I told him he was lucky that the dogs didn't see him first.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2007 09:58 pm |
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. . . purchased a taser in case I encounter one the SOB's. Kinda pricey, but lots of piece of mind.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2007 07:28 pm |
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I heard that one of the tricks the crooks are using to find unoccupied homes is they turn off some switches in the outside power box. Then they check back in a few days to see if the switches are still off..
I put padlocks on my outside boxes....
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Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 10:00 pm |
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The open enrollment period for Medicare is here.
Most private insurers that provide the drug benefit (stand alone plans only) are raising premiums. The average premium for the top three plans (by enrollment) is set to rise 27%. This is according to an analysis from the federal government and private insurers. Some 90% of beneficiaries will have access to at least one plan with lower premiums than what they pay in 2007. Some examples: AARP MedicareRx, renamed AARP MedicareRx Preferred, is increasing 16%. PacifiCare Select, renamed AARP MedicareRx Saver, is increasing 65%. SilverScript, offered by CVS Caremark Corp, will be 24% lower. Universal American Financial Corp.'s Community Care Rx will decrease its average premium 12%. Additionally, some plans have increased their co-pays. The "doughnut hole" gap begins after the beneficiary and their plans pay $2,510 in drug costs at which point plans aren't required to pay benefits until the enrollee has spent $4,050 out-of-pocket.
Source: WSJ 11.13.07
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 08:31 pm |
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Information from Sergeant Ortega regarding one of the recent burglaries in the Willow Grove area. Please keep your eyes open for these suspects and call the police immediately if you see any suspicious behavior.
The suspects that may be involved in these burglaries may be driving an older gray pickup possibly a Nissan. The first suspect is described as a white female 5'5" 125 pounds, with brown shoulder length hair. The second suspect is described as a Hispanic male approximately 5'6" 20 to 30 years old with baggy clothes.
I have received a few requests for information on a few burglaries that occurred on Sterling Drive.
- [size=Between 10/16 – 10/27 burglars entered by breaking bathroom window and stole jewelry, computer and vehicle.]
- [size=Between 10/22 – 10/30 burglars entered through small sliding rear window and stole various items. Finger prints were located and sent to the lab.]
- [size=On 11/03 burglars entered via front door kick and stole various items.]
*Note: After the last burglary, numerous neighbors on Sterling Drive reported to the responding officer that they had seen several suspicious vehicles and persons (now these were great leads), but unfortunately no one called the police. In one incident, a resident on Sterling Drive said he came into contact with some suspicious subjects at his rear door after they had knocked on his front door. (he did not answer the front door so they walked to the rear). We need everyone to CALL THE POLICE when they see something suspicious.
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