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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 03:14 am |
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| shall have to look next time I go out that way....read somewhere that the stoplights were going in there soon
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| On Mountain View,near Sequoia Crest is where I first noticed them. I live further down Mountain View and didn't notice more of them until today. They are huge!! Last edited on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 03:12 am by cindisue_g
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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 03:00 am |
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| didn't see any new street signs...where are they? all I saw was they were tarring the cracks on goldwater ridge
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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 02:39 am |
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Is it just me, or are there a lot of wacky things going on in SCG.
First, yesterday I left the neighborhood and came back early evening and I almost drove off the road. There were these new street signs that were so big, you could see them about a mile away. It reminded me of a trailer park. It has turned a classy neighborhood into a trashy neighborhood.
Second, my neighbor told me that we are spend $15,000 for an architectural plan for a club house for the pickleball people. Even though we will be paying to build it and paying for utilities, etc., we can rent it, but don't forget the pickleball people are paying $20,000 (meaning don't believe for a minute that anyone else is going to be able to use it) - Oh big deal. Does the board realize that housing sales are down, where exactly are they going to get all of this money. The CARE fund doesn't have that much and isn't garnering much because of sales.
We need to get smart. We need to spend smart. Building a club house that is not need is not spending smart. And you can bet your bottom dollar you will not be able to use this building that is not needed. This is not smart spending. The community is 10 years old and things are starting to break *we just had to spend approximately a half million dollars in replacements), painting has to be done, etc., the money is not always going to be there without raising our association fees. Again, we need to spend smart, not spend because our friends want something.
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Posted: Fri Aug 24th, 2007 05:23 pm |
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| I almost forgot to respond to the couples issues. They now have to save face and use whomever wishes to volunteer. I would guess that they got a lot of heat from the people of this community by only wanting to use couples and not single people. I as a single person was very angry for them to think that my time could not be put to use as a volunteer as well as a couple as if I am inadequate just because I do not have a partner.
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Posted: Fri Aug 24th, 2007 05:23 pm |
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| I almost forgot to respond to the couples issues. They now have to save face and use whomever wishes to volunteer. I would guess that they got a lot of heat from the people of this community by only wanting to use couples and not single people. I as a single person was very angry for them to think that my time could not be put to use as a volunteer as well as a couple as if I am inadequate just because I do not have a partner.
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Posted: Fri Aug 24th, 2007 05:20 pm |
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The minutes are probably not not the website because they probably dont want you to know what is happening with it right now.
I suspect that something is going on about the new theater. Awhile back the board said that they had no meetings with the Drama people in regards to the theater but I went to a meeting where there was a presentation and the drama people told us that they had a meeting with the board. I don't know about dates. If the board had a meeting after they made that statement or before they made the statement.
The rumors issue I'm sure is directed at me because I outed Ignorance is Bliss.
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Am watching channel 22 this morning and it was said some time ago about the welcome center that they wanted couples, nice to see that someone got a little more politically correct; this time they said they would like individuals or coupes that would like to volunteer, qualifications would be that you are very positive about the community and that you know about your community.
On another subject: Rumors are Tumors. That is the new term for rumors that the board has come up with. Kind of feel like we are in school again using terms like this, but then that is just my opinion. Are we not all grown ups and can just use the word rumors?
Also, does anyone know why the CARE committee minutes are not on the website?
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 09:41 pm |
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You gotta love it! Posters attacking each other and loosing site of the topic at hand.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 07:41 pm |
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| Up to your tactics again I see. Not only due you take bribes but you like to mislead by not directly quoting. I said you have to trust them to an EXTENT. Lieing by omission is still a lie.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 06:37 pm |
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ninuchy wrote: We elect these people to do a service and we have to trust them.
Yes, we do.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 04:41 pm |
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All of the things I am telling you are things that I have first hand knowledge of because they happened to me. I was involved. These are the facts that I feel are the truth. The other side sees their side as the facts and the truth.
Any member of this association, if honest with themselves, if they have attended any meetings will notice the disdain in the voice and the answer to a member of this association that disagrees with them. You are reading these blogs, isn't it obvious that one such person really dislikes me. I am a thorn in their sides, I am watching them, it makes them nervous, because I will always state the truth and the options that I feel we as a community deserve to hear. They do not want you to hear both sides because it would alter their plans for your money. I for one like to keep some money in my pocket.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 04:32 pm |
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Here is more food for thought.
If you are an employee of a company and you are not doing your job should you expect to be corrected or fired.
If you are the Manager of that company and were made aware of an employee and decided not to do anything about it, that is considered misappropriation of funds.
That has happenend here. The board WAS TOLD of an EMPLOYEE that was not doing his/her job and got away with it quite a while. That is misappropriation of your assessment dollars. Not only did they keep the employee they made a new position for them still at our expense. This did happen a couple of years ago. The board then is still the board we have today. I for one am concerned about how they are spending my dollars. They tell you at one meeting about the marketing that money hasn't even been discussed and not a week later it shows up in some newspaper that they are spending $1,400.00 on marketing just to get it started. This is a item that I feel should have been put to a vote, since the board knew that there were alot of people that stood up and voiced the opinion that this should be left up to the realtors. The board knows that if this issue went to the people it probably would not pass. So they did it there way again.
We elect these people to do a service and we have to trust them to an extent, but when it starts effecting our pocket books we should be entitled to vote.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 07:25 am |
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| Keep giving us your information, I for one will keep it in the back of my mind and if we ever have to pay for these items, will bring up the fact that it has been know about for sometime. It is not being for or against anyone it is wanting information and yes we do not know who is telling us the real skinny, but I think we need to be prepared.
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This logic escapes me. If two or three or more people disagree with you or a subject, they are all the same person. Does that mean that if two or three or more people agree with you on a subject that you are all the same person. I am beginning to think so. I don't have a problem listening to what anyone posts here. But lets face it we have no idea who is telling us the real skinny.
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If you don't know me then how do you know which meetings that I have attended. I have lived here since 1998 and I have attended alot of the meetings. I do not stand up and say something at each and every meeting because maybe I don't disagree with any thing at that meeting. So it is obvious, I've caught you in another misleading statement.
Some of what I have said did happen 5 years ago and they are still a problem today and will continue to be a problem tomorrow, because the board refused and refuses to deal with it. One such problem should have been dealt with prior to Pulte getting ready to sign off. There is still time but will anything happen. I doubt it. When it hits you in the pocket book don't then come crying and say why didn't the board react. I tried to tell you so but you were not going to be told anything bad about the board. They seem to be your best friends.
I also am sorry that this had to become such a heated debate between you and I but you brought it on yourself by putting my name out there. That was a mistake. I don't take being called a terrorist lobbying gernades lightly. I don't take being called a liar lightly. You started this war of words.
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I think it is time to exit this site and stop posting. But first, I want to apologize to those who got dragged into this recent squabble. You do not deserve to be exposed to this type of ridicule. Also, a couple people are being given credit for my posts and it is not fair to either of them to be mentioned. I do not know who the JS or LS is that has been chastised but as an apparant employee of the association it is grossly unfair and I believe an apology should be made directly to that individual. I do know who the other person is and quite frankly, I consider it a compliment being accused of being that person. But, I am not.
It is obvious I attend a lot of the association meetings and I think this association is well run. I only wish more residents would take advantage of the information available - many of the misconceptions discussed here would be unnecessary. If you can't attend many of the meetings, watch them on channel 22. The board meeting is taped, as well as the CAM JAMs and the Chats with the Board. You have heard how anyone who attends these meetings and talks with the Board is put down and ridiculed. Watch the meetings and judge for yourself. You have been told this by someone who claims to attend the meetings and who is put down. As someone who is at most meetings, I can't remember seeing this person at a Board meeting. I also cannot remember ever seeing this person at a Board workshop. I may have seen this person at one Chat with the Board and I do know this person was at a CAM JAM a couple months ago. I have lived here since 2001 and if people are being put down on a continual basis as is suggested, I have not witnessed this.
Several of you have asked for facts to support the accusations. Continue to do so. And ask for current facts, not something from five years ago. And, anyone who has a problem with the association or the Board should ask questions or attend meetings. I would suggest the Chat as it was started for one reason - to give residents direct access to the Board. As association wishing to NOT listen to residents would never have such a meeting.
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My goodness--->there are a few people in here that should take a "time-out"...yikes! 
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| You are a poor accuse of a human being. You don't know anything. I have only one name on this forum. I don't need another one. So you are dead wrong just like everything you have ever said on this forum.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 01:04 am |
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| Its is how things work. Go to a board meeting and see how the board treats people who disagree with them. Regardless of the issue.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 12:52 am |
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Nancy wrote: I think most of us on the blog like getting information, exchanging ideas, debating; but you two are taking it a little to far - this is not the place to have a personal war. You should either take it off line or have at it at a board of directors meeting. If you want to give information or debate what is given that is fine, but not sense in threatening, etc.
I don't see where Ignorance is threatening anyone - on this forum. He/she is just defending the board with factual information. I don't really care what happened at a meeting or another forum. She said she had all this "secret information" but it has all proven to be an inaccurate opinion.
You can't deal with these kind of people at a meeting. They won't let up. Mr. Noteboom does an excellent job of listening to them and trying to have a discussion with them. There are tiimes when I feel sorry for him. At some point, he has to end the discussion by just dismissing them. He is tactful and kind, but he has to move on to other discussions. I give him a lot of credit, I would just tell them to shut up and sit down. Maybe the next time we have an issue like the age inititive we should just give each person a time limit like at the city council meeting.
There are only a couple of people on this thread who have a problem with our association. I think they are all the same person! I know the names now and I've noticed they are never on the board at the same time.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 12:44 am |
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ninuchy has having trouble being heard on, presumeably, important issues. Is that a delivery issue, the wrong forum, or really how things work?
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| Yes Nancy, I would love to stop this war of words with Ignorance. I would love to be able to go to a board meeting and present some things, but they will tell me that the board meeting is not the proper forum for it either. They would not give a person enough time anyway without talking over you. I am sure that if you have gone to a board meeting you know that this is true. I will from this point on try not to have to respond to Ignorance if I can avoid it. No promises, but I will put in the effort, I know how disgusting it must read to you and others. I am sorry for that. Sometimes things need to be said to get people off the pedestal that they think that they are on. I just want to be able to state my opinions without being ridiculed and called names.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27th, 2007 10:49 am Quote Reply
Public Notification of Recent Purse Snatchings.
Surprise, Ariz. (July 26, 2007)… Surprise Police Officers responded to three (3) separate incidents of purse snatchings Two (2) on Tuesday the 24th between 9:00-9:30 pm and one (1) on Wednesday the 25th at approximately 8:30 am. The first occurred in the Safeway parking lot located at 13828 West Waddell Road, the second in the Target parking lot at 13731 West Bell Road and the third in the Albertson’s parking lot at 14551 West Grand Avenue. All three victims were female. In the two incidents of the 24th, the women were pushed to the ground, with one being kicked until she let go of her purse.
The reports of the 24th indicate that three (3) suspects were involved in these incidents. The suspects are described as (1) White Female, 5’05" medium build, dark shoulder length hair (1) Black Male, 5’08" to 6’00" of thin build and (1) Black Female. The suspect vehicle is described as a black Ford Explorer or Expedition with custom chrome wheels.
The incident of the 25th at Albertson’s involved two white females between 18-20 years of age in a white SUV who attempted to forcibly remove a purse from a 78 year old woman.
Surprise Police Officers are encouraging the public to be vigilant when walking to and from their vehicles. Please report any suspicious persons or activity to store personnel or the Surprise Police Department. Anyone with information regarding these crimes is encouraged to contact the Surprise Police Department at 623-222-4000.
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I read on the Grand web site that three women were also mugged last week. One in the Safeway parking lot, one in Albertsons and one at Target. They were pushed down and kicked until they let go of their handbags. It is not just one person. These three ladies were all mugged by different people. A white girl, a black girl and a black man. I was going to post the descriptions and vehicles, but the info has been taken down.
Be careful!
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Posted: Mon Jul 30th, 2007 06:19 pm |
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I recieved this email this morning
Please pass the word.
I learned this morning at our church that one of our volunteers/parishioners was mugged and assaulted this past Friday.
This happened in front of Linen n' things on Grand Avenue next to Michael's. It was during the daylight hours. She was getting out of her car, when three men with scarves covering their faces, pulled her from her car, punched her in the head, face and body, pushed her to the ground and ran off with her pocketbook.
She was able to identify the car, but not the license number.
PLEASE BE ALERT WHEN SHOPPING ALONE. CHECK WHO IS NEXT TO OR CLOSE TO YOU WHEN PULLING INTO A PARKING SPACE.
PLEASE PASS ON TO FRIENDS, FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS.
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| I think most of us on the blog like getting information, exchanging ideas, debating; but you two are taking it a little to far - this is not the place to have a personal war. You should either take it off line or have at it at a board of directors meeting. If you want to give information or debate what is given that is fine, but not sense in threatening, etc.
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| If your are speaking of the Board of Directors, they are covered by an INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE..
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| Hey Ignorance, remember when you stated that I should be careful and let me quote your words "I would be careful what you say about whomever this "LS" is, as he/she may not have the desire to be spoken about as you have decided to do." Well why is it then that you shouldn't be as careful when you used my name and again I will quote "The $1000,000 figure was brought up by a resident, Linda Lieber, at the Chat on May 16 and soundly denied by the Board as no budget had been discussed (see the narrative of the meeting on grandinfo). Linda accomplished what she wanted, and what she is known for, lobbing a grenade and seeing how much damage she can cause." I did not appreciate being called a terrorist. Lobbying grenades, isn't that what you do best. So now, what fair for the goose is definetely fair for the gander. If the heat is to much for you I strongly advise that you start considering telling everyone the facts and all of the facts just not the facts that you want to present, we the public deserve to hear everything involved with an issue so you and the board do not come across sounding so one sided. That is all this community has ever been presented one side, your side. I will always be there to try to present both sides of every issue. You may continue to try to humilate me, ridicule me, talk over me I don't care, most every person in this community believes everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it doesn't agree with theirs and the people don't show the kind of disrespect to people that you do.
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In the same vain, they may be covered by an E&O policy.
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Perhaps they are bonded and insured.
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S Stevens wrote: Shouldn't we at least be doing a background check to make sure that someone has not been convicted of a felon, wanted by the law, etc. before they are placed on a committee or run for a board seat?
This is an excellent question...Do we want a convicted, for example, thief, in a fiduciary role handling money ? The same applies to clubs..anyone can be a treasurer and we wouldn't know if the person handling dues, income, expenses, etc might have had a past issue with the justice system....I wonder what other HOA's do to screen.
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ninuchy wrote: As I said before it is very hard for one person to solve all these issues. It takes the community at large to stand up and do the right thing. We live in a community that sits back and lets other people do the work. That is evident by how many volunteers there are considering the population of this community. Someday we will all pay the price. Maybe you are right, it may not be to late, it wasn't to late for the residents of Sun City West, they took action after their buildout.
It is very hard for one person to solve all the issues "they" are unhappy about. You are obviously a disgruntled former committee member who didn't get everything changed your way. You don't seem to be able to comprehend that these are your issues and not SCG as a whole. You have to go with what the community as a whole wants. The first time I heard about the age initive I was outraged. I moved here because I only wanted to live with seniors. I thought the very same things you did. I didn't just sit back and let the board do whatever they wanted. I went to many meetings and watched everything on channel 22. It was then that I changed my mind. So just because we are not getting up at meetings and presenting our side of the story, doesn't mean we don't care about the issues.
As far as volunteering goes, I might be able to explain that to you. I recently decided to volunteer with SCG. I called the person who handles the activities department. She said she would love for me to volunteer and told me to go to the desk where we purchase tickets. She said she would let the receptionist know I was coming. I was there 10 min. later. I expected someone to sit with me for a few minutes, tell me about the department and the kinds of volunteers they were seeking. I expected someone to take my name, phone number, ect. I expected to be invited to meetings so we could all plan things out, etc.
The receptionist had no idea who I was. After I told her I wanted to become a volunteer, she handed me a three ring binder and told me to sign up for whatever I wanted. I explained that I didn't know what I was doing and she said "just pick a time when you want to sit at the card table and hand out Grand Times". That was it. She even made it sound like it was a thankless job and was surprised I wanted to do it.
So if everyone gets treated like that when they volunteer to work for free, maybe that's why we don't see too many people volunteering. I'll take my valuable time and efforts elsewhere.
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| Hey HN hows it going. Are we having fun yet
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| It was brought to the forefront. I stood up and spoke about it at alot of meetings. I fell on deaf ears. As I said before it is very hard for one person to solve all these issues. It takes the community at large to stand up and do the right thing. We live in a community that sits back and lets other people do the work. That is evident by how many volunteers there are considering the population of this community. Law suits require money, lots of money and when you start to dip in peoples wallets they suddenly become unconcerned. Someday we will all pay the price. Maybe you are right, it may not be to late, it wasn't to late for the residents of Sun City West, they took action after their buildout. It took one man to bring a lawsuit and he is in a wheelchair. Everyone should be concerned about this issue because you never know when you are going to become disabled in some faction. I pray that it never happens to anyone. I was a caregiver for the past 15 years of my life. My husbands every need was meant by me. He could not go anywhere in this community without assistance. Here is an example for you. ADA states that all doors must be under 5-7 lbs of pressure. All of our doors were tested, they are at 14 lbs of pressure. Now this is my knowledge that I know to be true but only when I served on the committee. This issue may be fixed now but I don't think so. Ask anyone who is walking with a cane or in a wheelchair what kind of difficulty they have trying to get thru these doors everywhere in this facility. All outside doors should have a handicap door for access this is at a cost of approx. $1,700.00 a door about 6 years ago who knows what the cost is today. Everyone should have access to every building here with ease. Some handicap people have to wait for someone to come along to open doors for them. In this day and age isn't that shameful. Doesn't anyone care about mankind anymore. I do. That is why I am sticking my neck out and getting ridiculed and called names. They really need to think about it, it I am such a nut case, why have I been the one who was invited to join a committee, I did not volunteer for that position and if I am such a nut case why then was I allowed to run for the board. I happen to state the facts as I see them and the truth as I see it, it may not be your truth or your facts and if it isn't then you are whacko, nut case, told to move, get out, shut up that is out the board deals with you and that is how the boards friends see you. The friends of the board always feel that their friends would not mislead them in any fashion. All of us should remember, it is unfortunate but at sometime in our lives our best friends or our siblings or a family member has a one time mislead them or told an untruth be it large or small, so no one is not quilty of this. Even I have told something in my past that I probably should not have but I care about this community, I care about property values and I for one would like to keep Grand the super community that it is without misleading the residents. I think that people deserve the truth no matter how bad it hurts.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 05:43 pm |
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A couple items need to be clarified. Actually, both shouldn't need clarification as they were discussed at several meetings over the past few years.
- Pulte corrected a list of ADA issues a number of years ago including adding or changing handicapped parking spaces, putting in curb cuts, adding door openers, etc. etc. The number requiring updating was nowhere near the figure stated in another post. During the transition process back in 2005, Pulte corrected a couple remaining issues. This was all discussed at meetings and listed in written material made available to residents. Everyone had access to this information. Attending a few meetings and reading available material can be very enlightening. There is a resident who has actually kept up on these issues and who has been an strong activist on ADA issues. He attends meetings and knows what is going on in the association - Jim Olmstad.
- Again, attending some meetings or carefully listening to the taped meetings on 22 can clarify issues. For example: It was said at one meeting that 15 people had picked up application packets necessary to apply to be a candidate for the Board. Almost immediately there was a rumor that there were 15 people running for the board. What some people are forgetting is this is only an application packet. Only those who complete the forms and return them can become a candidate. This past election eight filled out and returned the forms and eight were candidates. No conspiracy here - sorry.
I find it interesting that there is a belief anyone who is knowledgeable about the association must be an employee, board or committee member. There are many who take the time to be informed and they are not on any of the above. They are simply interested in the community where they have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested and where they will probably spend the rest of their lives.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 04:54 pm |
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| If someone knew of these violations, then why didn't they bring them to the forefront prior to the residents taking over management, so that the builder would have to pay not the residents. If it was brought the builder's attention and nothing was done and if the law states that they had to be compliant, it would have been very easy to get the legal system involved...it still might not be too late to go back to Pulte or to file a lawsuit since the residents should not have to pay for the mistakes of the builder.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 04:13 pm |
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| There was once a group called the Special Needs Committee. I was asked to be a participant in this committee by Ed Harold. When it was originally formed it was to help Del Webb make this community Handicap Assessible. They have never been since day 1. Why, because the City of Surprise did not have a ADA Complliance person working for the city so they allowed the developement to go forward. You must remember Del Webb also built Sun City West and they were also not ADA compliant and they were eventually sued by the homeowners and won. Del Webb had to go back in a make things right at a considerable cost. They then built Sun City Grand in the same manner. This committee was formed to help correct issues. We got the handicap doors put in the Sonoran Plaza. Other things have since been corrected. There are still violations. When things started to get a little heated in the manner in which this group was headed they disbanded it. They wanted it to become a social group. No social group can solve the problems that lie here. Eventually, these corrections will be at each and every homeowners expense to correct. The Board knew and knows of this situation. They were told years ago. I first hand seen a list of the violations and after Pulte took over they agreed to correct about 70 or 80 of them. There are more, more costly repairs to be done. They hid that list, after several people tried to get the list to see how many violations there were and how many had been repaired. One of the big wigs told Jeff Kanig that if there is nothing on that list that a homeowner could not see that we should see the list. Well where is the list. Why did not the Board get it. This issue may not effect you today but in the future as we age and have knee replacements, hip replacements, heart problems etc this will effect you. You do not have to be in a wheelchair to be handicapped.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 04:05 pm |
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| perhaps words are being parsed........"work" denotes being compensated and I understand the board are volunteers
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 04:00 pm |
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| Isn't it amazing that to volunteer to be on a committee that you are interviewed. Yes there has to be some sort of process to make sure that the candidates who are running are compliant, homeowner and up to date with assessements. Ignorance is Bliss seems to be very well informed for someone who does not work for the association in some manner. She/he wants everyone to believe that I am a nut case, but I went thru the process. I know first hand. They also screen all your material that you put out and it must be signed off on before you can distribute. Unless things have changed so radically that they no longer do this. But here is a question to ponder. Why is it that if you get 15 applicants for a position on the board do we only end up with 4 or 5 candidates to hear if there is not some sort of screening. Isn't screening checking your background for compliance, homeowner, dues. It would seem illogical that the remaining 15 candidates all were in violation of some issue, dues in arrears, or were not a homeowner. They need to check on you to make sure you are not some whack job but because you disagree with them does not make you a whack job.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 03:20 pm |
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| Shouldn't we at least be doing a background check to make sure that someone has not been convicted of a felon, wanted by the law, etc. before they are placed on a committee or run for a board seat?
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 03:13 pm |
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Sorry ninuchy I'm going to have to go with Ignorance Is Bliss on the screening. How could any HOA get away with the board appointing the members of an election committee, not to mention a sitting member of the board on it and then they would be screening and approving candidates to run for board seats. That would mean that they would only approve people that thought their way. Don't think that would ever fly. If anyone even though that was being done they would have yelled it from the nearest rooftop and my guess is that there would be hell to pay by whoever set up the system, most likely a lawsuit would ensue for obvious reasons.
The only thing kind of weird I do remember and don't know if I was told, saw it on a board meeting or it was mentioned on this site, that one woman stood up and complained that the board and committees was a social club and she was not allowed to participate on a committee because she was not part of the social club. That is all I remember, don't know if it is true or not. For all I know she was a nut case and for that reason was not allowed on a committee.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 03:03 pm |
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I can only speculate but here is my take on the difference:
The committees are appointed by the Board to help them formulate policy for the association. If on the Board, I would certainly want people who were reasonable, showed true interest in the area they are applying for, were indeed pro association and not trying to create problems. In business I would never hire someone who wants to destroy or harm the business. The Board is charged with protecting the assets of the association - not putting those assets in jeopardy.
The Board is different in that the residents choose who they want to protect those assets. The only time the Board can choose their own members is in the case of a resignation or death and the process for replacement is described in the by-laws.
The by-laws allow the Board the right to set some requirements to be put on the ballot but no such regulations have ever been established. Section 3.4 states "Such policies may include, but are not limited to, requirng a specified number of signatures as a precondition to appearing onthe ballot or permitting nomination through an Election committee." Signatures have never been required and the Election committee only conducts the election - they do not nominate or screen any candidates.
It has been stated that it is odd having candidates who all seem to think the same way. That person did not follow the last election very well. There was great divergence of ideas easily recognized, although a majority felt the same - probably because they felt the association is operating quite well and they don't want any changes. It appears the homeowners/voters felt the same way.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 01:29 pm |
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| Ignorance Is Bliss - why does one have to go through a 20 minute interview to be on one of the advisory committees, but no interview (screening if you will) to be a board member? Is it because the residents vote for the board member and the advisory committee individuals are not voted on?
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 12:51 pm |
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Ignorance Is Bliss wrote: Anyone who has ever checked into running for the Board, or read the flyers encouraging residents to run, knows there is not a screening committee or process. The only "screening" requirements are: (1) you must be a homeowner (2) you must not be in arrears in your annual dues and (3) you cannot have any outstanding noncompliant issues with the design guidelines.
The real screening is done by the homeowners when they either vote for you on the ballot or fail to vote for you. I would enjoy hearing how this person was screened and by whom - as it would be a first.
I think you are right Ignorance. I'm going to check on this Monday. Ninuchy, can we ask who screened you?
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 04:08 am |
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| Thank you for clarifying.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 03:45 am |
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Anyone who has ever checked into running for the Board, or read the flyers encouraging residents to run, knows there is not a screening committee or process. The only "screening" requirements are: (1) you must be a homeowner (2) you must not be in arrears in your annual dues and (3) you cannot have any outstanding noncompliant issues with the design guidelines.
The real screening is done by the homeowners when they either vote for you on the ballot or fail to vote for you. I would enjoy hearing how this person was screened and by whom - as it would be a first.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 03:33 am |
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| I guess I don't understand, can't anyone who wants to run for the board do so? Why would someone have to be screened? Has anyone ever been screened and not been allowed to run? That seems a little unfair and undemocratic to me.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29th, 2007 03:05 am |
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Thank you so much for the credibility alert. I have not stated anything that has not been truthful. I will not try to defame anyone either. Sometimes the truth is painful.
Let me throw out a little tidbit of info for you in the form of a question.
Hasn't anyone ever noticed that the people who run for the board always sound just like the board members we already have. They never seem to disagree with the board members during their speeches. They are always on the same wave length. Could this be because of the way people are screened. Who is doing the screening. Who is on the election committee and who is allowed to sit in on the screenings. I know, cause I have been screened. If I wanted to run for a position for the board I can almost guarantee that I would not get past the screening committee. I disagree with the board to much and I try to present the facts.
A person that is willing to take a bribe, doesn't stand for much in my book. I will not waste my time or anyone else's time by responding to her rhetoric. Nothing anyone can say or do will ever make them see the light of their misdeeds. These people only hurt everyone else. This is so sad.
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