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| You know Andyman, no one wants to hear what you have to say either, but you have the right to make a comment and make a fool out of yourself, I enjoy it so much. It's funny you say I don't have a life, but you are on the same blog, so obviously you don't have a life. Have a good day. Last edited on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 03:46 pm by cindisue_g
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I love this thread. I love watching you old geezers make fools of yourselves. I used to have channel 22 and watched you do it at the Age Initiative meetings.
When are you going to realize that no one cares what you think CindiSue. You must not have much of a life.
Where's Ninuchy2 today? She's always good for a laugh.
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| Sorry Big Guy, I just can't resist. These kind of comments usually have no substance, since I'm guessing they can't debate a subject only attack and, after all, it is sure a lot of fun trying to get their goat!
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Cindy, Cindy, Cindy when will you ever learn. Don't replay to idiotic comments.
I would like to request and in-line skating track. It is impossible to skate on the sidewalks here at SCG too many dogs. The cost would be around $50,000.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 12:36 pm |
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Milo.....It's a blog, I'm free to state my opinion - agree or disagree, it really doesn't matter to me.
You seem to feel that you are the only one allowed to voice an opinion - wrong. And if you have such a problem with someone voicing an opinion, why must you complain!!! If you don't like other people voicing an opinion, maybe it is time for you to stay off the site or only respond to those that were responding to you, which I was not.
And by the way, if you had a million dollars, I would be more than gracious and happy to take the gift from you
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Cindisue.......has anyone ever asked you if you ever shut up? If someone said they were giving you a million dollars you would complain or say they did not understand.
Oh I know! This is a blog and you are free to state your opinion. I bet I get a lot of people that will agree with me.
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As usual something rational, you only took a portion of the statement, here it is: "Why are these clubs not required to fund their own projects. I understand the pickleballers did put in $20,000 (but we are also told we can use this, but remember they put in xxx amount, so I guess that means they will be the only ones using the pavilion), which is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the costs. I would personally like to see a building in the pet park. We need a place for not only the dogs, but us to go inside when it is hot. It would be nice to have a fridge to store items for the dogs and ourselves. And of course, based on how everything else has been happened, I'll be willing to put $100 in the coffer for it, as I am sure the rest of the people that use the park regularly and then the association can pick up the tab for the rest." I was making the point that everyone wants something, does it make it right for the community, no - but at the rate the board is going, just about everything gets approved, so I put my request in on this blog (to my knowledge I don't think I ever remember the CARE committee requesting any money for a building for the pet park). Noticed in my post, I only used the word "I" with the requst. But the point being, why would one group over another not get their request, you want to continue to enhance the amenities of the community, is this not an amenity? I would bet more people use the dog park than the woodshop (that they paid over $170,000 for something that only approximately 200 residents use).
There has to be a line drawn, what is considered enhancing the entire community and what is not - do they take the number of the residents using the amenity into consideration (or could a club of roughly 200 get $200,000 and a club of 1,000 get nothing) or is on a first come first served basis until the money is completely gone? There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why dollars are spend, other than how successful the presentation to the CARE committee and board was or personal agendas.
By the way something rational, you have it incorrect again; I never said that all my neighbors agree with me, I said a lot of my neighbors agree with me. Remember I already asked the question as to you saying I was disingenuous when you again incorrectly referred to what my positing said?
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dwig222 wrote: cindisue_g wrote: I would personally like to see a building in the pet park. We need a place for not only the dogs, but us to go inside when it is hot.
So you want a dog park building??? You think that would "enhance the entire community" of Sun City Grand??? There are ten houses in my cul de sac. Only one has a dog. They never even use the dog park. What kind of logic is that?
DWIG: you totally miss the point. if Cindysue wants it, it's justified...it wouldn't matter if she owned the only dog in SCG...shed write back and tell you all her neighbors, frends and most of SCG agree with her.... If it involves an expense for something in which she has no interest, like pickleball, it's a waste of money. Let's just be grateful she is NOT on the board. It's called intolerence and it's an epidemic at SCG...all of my neighbors agree with me on that, so does most of SCG...don't ask me how I know, i just do...so there.
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cindisue_g wrote: I would personally like to see a building in the pet park. We need a place for not only the dogs, but us to go inside when it is hot.
So you want a dog park building??? You think that would "enhance the entire community" of Sun City Grand??? There are ten houses in my cul de sac. Only one has a dog. They never even use the dog park. What kind of logic is that?
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Pat, you are correct, there is nothing wrong with looking to the future. There is also nothing wrong with an infusion of new blood into the board. I was at one meeting and they were putting together a committee to look at staff salaries. They nominated I believe two board members and one not nominated spoke up (this was a newer board member) and said that maybe they should look at the qualifications of those that they are nominating. This person had been in HR and obviously very knowledgeable, but was not nominated for the committee - I really didn't understand this logic; here you have an expert in the filed you are researching and you don't use their expertise. Why?
I realize that it might be difficult to change their spending patters, but it can be done; it just takes some hard work. This is the same thing that many of the population of the United States is doing, to make sure their future is rosy. All they have to do, is to stop spending money on things that do not enhance the entire community. They have had the $'s coming in like gangbusters, especially for the CARE fund, but today's dollars are not the same as they were in 2004 and 2005, due to the housing market, but it seems as thought their spending remains the same. Last edited on Sat Feb 9th, 2008 05:40 pm by cindisue_g
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Cindisue: It doesn't pay to debate folks arguing with no real tools at their disposal.
Here is why some of us should be concerned about spending the next few years:
I submit a few facts from the latest US News & World Report, Feb. 11, 2008 Editorial from"Preventing a Panic" that arrived this week:
The financial community itself is bewildered and the Country's problems are so complex that nobody can give the right answers, because nobody understands the right questions to ask. Merrill Lynch, for example, holds mortgages that exceed it's net worth.
The Federal Reserve said this week that if things continue as they are, the dollar will be worthless in 5 years.
We have yet to see the problems emerging from securitization of credit cards, auto loans, and consumer debt.
Many banks are insolvent on paper throughout the Country.
Some 23 states are currently in recession.
"Quite simply, this financial crisis is the worst since the panic that led to the Great Depression."
So the rest of you arguing through rosy glasses we all adopted in past years simply don't see the outlines of the next couple years. Reserves and assessments depend on residents being able to pay them. It clearly is a time for caution. Many residents get it and expect our Board members to do so too.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind.
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big guy wrote: Cindy
Please don't respond to this kind of stupidity. This person is the neighborhood know-it-all and is probably the one we all roll our eyes about when they get up to talk at the board meetings.
Great advice BIG GUY. Take it Cindy. It is useless to try to talk to these people or to waste your time responding with them. You must have the feeling by now that everything you say is getting back to the board from these people. They are all friends of the board and would defend their actions with their last breath. Nothing you can say or anyone else can say will make these people think for themselves. They have been led around for so long and have been so deep in pockets that they are oxygen deprived. I said it before and I will continue to say it, they do not have a thought process left unless someone tells them the idea. They can not read without twisting your words. You might already have a reputation of being a grenade throwing terrorist, like I do, so nicknamed by Harvey and the board because I disagree with them and agree with thought thinking people like you.Last edited on Sat Feb 9th, 2008 02:42 pm by ninuchy2
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cindisue_g wrote: I think the community has been spending like drunken sailors in a port for the first time
I think this is a very irresponsible statement given the fact that we have a very healthy community. But I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if it is very derogatory, unfair and inaccurate.
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| The development that my friend lived in had a reserve that was well within the norm, but do to an unexpected replacement (something this community did not think had to be done for another 10 years), they were not prepared. In your words "chill out, sheesh", let others voice their opinions. If you disagree, that is fine, but I for one at my age will be here 25 or 35 years from now and I want to be prepared...those that are well into their senior years might not want to look to the future. If that means raising the fees by double, that would be okay with me - if it means to charge more for golf and other items, that is also okay as well. I have no problem spending money maintaining our current amenities, I just disagree with spending money foolishly; like on the possible pickleball club house, that is not needed, etc. Last edited on Sat Feb 9th, 2008 01:12 pm by cindisue_g
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Our reserves are in very good shape and within the accepted tolerence...of course we'll need cash for future special maint. --that's exactly why we have reserves in the first place...the communities in trouble are the ones who knuckled under to the cheapskates who never approved of the fees going up..that resulted in no reserves, which resulted in special assessments. Our fees are going up 4% this year to at least maintain our present amenities..chill out, sheesh.
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big guy wrote: Cindy
Please don't respond to this kind of stupidity. This person is the neighborhood know-it-all and is probably the one we all roll our eyes about when they get up to talk at the board meetings.
You know..............I had the same feeling.
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Cindy
Please don't respond to this kind of stupidity. This person is the neighborhood know-it-all and is probably the one we all roll our eyes about when they get up to talk at the board meetings.
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cindisue_g wrote:
Time will tell if we are fiscally responsible or not - I sure hope that years from now, we don't get hit with a high assessment like a friend of mine did ($17,000) to make major repairs. Her complex was only 18 years old and yes, they were in good shape until the day they had to replace all their siding (which they did not anticipate for another 10 years).
Maybe you're right Cindisue. I heard there was a big tornado in Tennessee. That's not too far from here. We better take the money and build a big shelter. It could happen to us.
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Can someone tell me what blog these people are reading, because they are certainly not reading what is being said here. What I said was: "We voiced our opinion on the financial future of Sun City Grand. I am sorry to have to tell you this but we all have the right to voice our opinions, on this blog or to the board. You have no idea, unless you have spoken to all 20,000 residents who is the majority and who is the minority." I never said that the majority or minority agrees with me - Dwig was the one who said in a post previous to my comment that she was in the majority, here is her comment: "But you must accept the fact that the majority of the residents don't agree with you and the majority of residents will rule this community." - I guess you would surmise that she has spoken to everyone in the community and that is how she got her information. I also said: "by the way, my neighbors and a lot of people I meet in the community have the same opinion as I do, doesn't make mine anymore right than yours and if 19,999 agree with you, it does not make yours more right than mine."
Now sometimes rational, after re-reading the post how was I disingenuous? Did I say the majority agreed with me anywhere? Nope, didn't say it.
And you brought up the people that I am concerned about. Those that have a mortgage (even though I do not understand why anyone would have a mortgage in their senior years) or those that have to take out a reverse mortgage to live or those that make comments like this about a measly amount of money like $750: "Instead he gave us $750!!!! How could we refuse that kind of money???" Those are the people I'm worried about, in 10 or 20 years from now, if something were to happen what would they do?
I guess I have always looked to the future and a lot of people only look at what is going to happen today.
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cindisue_g wrote: What is wrong with you dwigg - no one said anything about a battle...no one is fighting anything, except possibly you. We voiced our opinion on the financial future of Sun City Grand. I am sorry to have to tell you this but we all have the right to voice our opinions, on this blog or to the board. You have no idea, unless you have spoken to all 20,000 residents who is the majority and who is the minority.
Disengenius of you to diss dwigg on this...how come it's Ok for you to tell us most residents agree with you unless you've polled all 20,000 residents...those who either do not agree with the trend to maintain and expand amenities or who cannot afford to pay the fees are free to move to a less expensive communtiy, and i know several who have.
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| dwigg, you are the one that needs to chill, baby. You seem to want to battle and fight all the time. If you want to debate, please do so with opinions without making up things that others have said.
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What is wrong with you dwigg - no one said anything about a battle...no one is fighting anything, except possibly you. We voiced our opinion on the financial future of Sun City Grand. I am sorry to have to tell you this but we all have the right to voice our opinions, on this blog or to the board. You have no idea, unless you have spoken to all 20,000 residents who is the majority and who is the minority.
You must be reading an entirely different blog, since you are coming up with the wild hairs about a battle or fighting. No one said they were in bad shape today, we were talking about the future when major items will need to be replaced or repaired, you need to go back and re-read the posts, so that you can comment on what was being said, instead of making up items. Who said anything about a battle or fighting - you, only you. Why are you so angry, is it that someone has an opinion other than yours; by the way, my neighbors and a lot of people I meet in the community have the same opinion as I do, doesn't make mine anymore right than yours and if 19,999 agree with you, it does not make yours more right than mine. Why do you always think there has to be a battle or fight (this tells me a lot about you).
Time will tell if we are fiscally responsible or not - I sure hope that years from now, we don't get hit with a high assessment like a friend of mine did ($17,000) to make major repairs. Her complex was only 18 years old and yes, they were in good shape until the day they had to replace all their siding (which they did not anticipate for another 10 years).
Milo, I personaly feel that Mitzi's CI's are a great idea - what is wrong with more eyes and ears around the community -- you never can tell, a resident could come up with a great idea!
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SCG is just like any other company. They have budgets and try to spend accordingly. Most managers are reviewed annually on plus or minus from budget. All you have to do is look at the financials for 2007 and it will clearly tell you that SCG is indeed in very good shape. Our reserve is a model for most retirement communities.
I see nothing yet that would qualify for over or unusual spending. Yes, times are trying for some right now but no need to panic. Mitzi is doing an exceptionally good job of communicating with the residents. Maybe some see her conceptual ideas as people wanting to spend......no it isn't, they are only ideas sent in from home owners. There is nothing wrong with "wishing".
Good luck to everyone throughout the year.
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BB35 wrote: Cindisue: Good post and you are right on. No the Grand is not in good shape.
The grand is in great shape.
You can say you think that they need to be more fiscally responsible. But you must accept the fact that the majority of the residents don't agree with you and the majority of residents will rule this community. It's not 51% against 49%. All votes must pass at 68% or more. What does that tell you? You are fighting a losing battle. When the board tries to tell the people who oppose the issues that they don't have enough support they accuse the board of being rude.
I'm glad you have this forum to vent your frustrations.
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| No one said they were in bad shape - we all just said we think they have to be more fiscally responsible. Which in our opinion, they are not.
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I did not say they couldn't afford anything. I said IF they couldn't afford it OR if they didn't agree with it they will be facing a choice of accepting it or moving.
It is very irresponsible to say Sun City Grand is in bad shape. It is quite the opposite.
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| How could you assume that someone can't afford more, if you do not know their financial picture, because they want the community to be fiscally responsible.. Last edited on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 08:55 pm by cindisue_g
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BB35 wrote: Good post and you are right on. No the Grand is not in good shape.
You better check your facts BB35. Sun City Grand is very much in the black. The majority of residents want to continue to see more amenities for the various clubs and the majority of residents are willing to pay higher association dues to make that happen. If you don't agree with that direction or you can't afford that direction then you have to do what is best for you. But I don't see us moving backwards or saving every penny we can. I see us moving forward and making Sun City Grand an even better place to live as the years go by.
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| BB35--so it seems you'd favor pulling out all the landscaping which needs water and leveling all the amenities so we won't need to maintain them...just make me a promise you'll never run for Bd of Directors.
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Cindisue: Good post and you are right on. No the Grand is not in good shape. The money markets and the value of the dollar is going down like a rock...
This will lead to high inflation and high prices for services.
People with retirement funds in the market are losing their shirts. The one thing I fear is we start to see abandoned homes around the Grand due to foreclosures.
We need to save every penny of cash we can. No more spending on silly things like pickle ball or other hobbies. Maintainance on the golf courses is going out of sight..
I is going to hard to just pay for normal maintenance.
There needs to be a committe appointed to see how we can cut expenses. The first place I would look at is to see how many plants we could cut from the common areas. Water and plant maintenance is going to be very expensive.
The Market newsletters I subscribe to are saying we are heading into a major Depression and several large Banks are on the edge of closing.
I remember the last one. I was just a very young kid and it was very bad. My parents were Okies. I noticed that "Hoover" villes are poping up around the country as people loose their homes.
I guess we could call them "Bushie" villes today...
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| ninuchy, I believe you missed the point. I don't think anyone is a spy or do I care if anyone is a friend of anyone else or do I care what anyone thinks of this blog or any other, I simply feel that it is my right to disagree with something that the board does without insinuations that I do not have sense. I did not in my post say anything about any of the board members, their dedication or that they are not appreciated. I find it very interesting how people on this blog put words into other's mouths.
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| Very well said Cindisue. I think all the people who are so quick to be critical of others are friends of board members. They read this blog to keep the board informed on what we the residents are saying and thinking. The board on several occasions have said that these blog and vent columns are useless but yet here they are with their little spies checking on all of us other residents who do not agree with their every action. When did the United States become communist to where we the people do not have a right to our opinions and our right to think for ourselves instead of being led around like a herd of lost sheep. I for one will continue to excerise my rights to be a free thinking opinionated person. That is my God given right and no one and I mean NO ONE will take that from me. They can be has critical has they like they can't hurt me, I won't let them. They need to get off of this blog sight and let us have our opinions without being called CAVE people or worse. Last edited on Thu Feb 7th, 2008 03:46 pm by ninuchy2
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I don't think I said anything derogatory about the board in my post, just that I do not agree with the kind of spending that is being done. Sun City Grand has been a cash cow, especially for the CARE Fund for many years with the amount of houses that have been sold between 1997 and probably the first or second quarter of 2005 and it was basically an open check book. Now with the way the economy has been going it is time to sit back and really research the decisions that are being made. Not only would a pickle-ball club house cost a lot of money to build, there are utilities, cleaning, not to mention maintenance. Sun City Grand is an aging in place community - major (and very expensive things) are going to have to be replace in the coming years. The board did recognize this with their decision to raise what is in the reserve, but I don't feel that it is enough, we are just getting into the years where major replacement and/or repairs will have to happen.
I am sorry that you feel that if someone disagrees with the board that they are somehow being derogatory toward the individuals that serve on the board - I don't feel that is most people's intent. Do residents sometimes treat the board less than civil, yes. Does the board sometimes treat people less than civil, yes. The difference is that the board represents all of the residents of Sun City Grand in their position and the rude resident only represents themselves.
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dwig222 wrote: Milo wrote: What the hell are these people griping about? Everyone that has any sense at all knows that this is a well run community with few problems. Yes, we do have a few issues that may come up, but that's business folks! Financially we are in good shape and have planned well for the future.
What is wrong with improving upon what we already have? Our pickleball club, wood shop, softball club, etc. continue to grow and why shouldn't we spend a little money to upgrade. You knew when you bought in SCG that this is an active adult community. Take a close look at other adult communities and compare.
Those that sit back and want to watch grass grow have nothing better to do than chastise our Board of Directors. I offer congratulations to our Board and the other employees that make SCG an absolute fantastic community to live.
My suggestion is to live life happily and quit complaining.
Geez!
Well said, Milo!
Second that....it costs money to fund amenities...and the Bd. puts in a lot of hours for little respect nor appreciation...I hope following the next election, we don't get what we deserve.
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 01:10 am |
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Milo wrote: What the hell are these people griping about? Everyone that has any sense at all knows that this is a well run community with few problems. Yes, we do have a few issues that may come up, but that's business folks! Financially we are in good shape and have planned well for the future.
What is wrong with improving upon what we already have? Our pickleball club, wood shop, softball club, etc. continue to grow and why shouldn't we spend a little money to upgrade. You knew when you bought in SCG that this is an active adult community. Take a close look at other adult communities and compare.
Those that sit back and want to watch grass grow have nothing better to do than chastise our Board of Directors. I offer congratulations to our Board and the other employees that make SCG an absolute fantastic community to live.
My suggestion is to live life happily and quit complaining.
Geez!
Well said, Milo!
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 09:02 pm |
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| Sorry you don't feel that because we do not agree with you that we don't have any sense....you sound like a board member. Why not just say, I don't agree with what some have said; I'm very satisfied - instead of saying people with any sense would agree with your perceptions. I totally disagree with you as do a lot of my neighbors, but I would not be as rude as you were and question your senses. Last edited on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 11:56 pm by cindisue_g
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 05:53 pm |
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What the hell are these people griping about? Everyone that has any sense at all knows that this is a well run community with few problems. Yes, we do have a few issues that may come up, but that's business folks! Financially we are in good shape and have planned well for the future.
What is wrong with improving upon what we already have? Our pickleball club, wood shop, softball club, etc. continue to grow and why shouldn't we spend a little money to upgrade. You knew when you bought in SCG that this is an active adult community. Take a close look at other adult communities and compare.
Those that sit back and want to watch grass grow have nothing better to do than chastise our Board of Directors. I offer congratulations to our Board and the other employees that make SCG an absolute fantastic community to live.
My suggestion is to live life happily and quit complaining.
Geez!
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 05:10 pm |
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ninuchy2 wrote: They can name who ever they wish as his sucessor like John Such but he is a Harvey clone so it will be the same old same old
Isn't that wonderful to know!!
Harvey and his boys will still rule and the MAJORITY of the residents will be happy!
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 05:02 pm |
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I heard that it had something to do with the new library.
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 04:52 pm |
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| Did anyone read in the Surprise Independent that was released today about Harvey resigning his position on his own free will, it was his decision. Does anyone ever remember hearing Harvey say at any of the board meetings that he does not respond to anything written in the Vent columns or on the blog because we shouldn't be airing our dirty laundry out there for everyone to see, and it is a waste of time. Isn't it strange that he quoted statements that were made in the blog. I will still contend he did not resign his post on his own free will, there is something else behind it, he can sugar coat it all he wants but there are people out there that knows what the truth is. It really doesn't matter anyhow, because regardless if he is president or not he will still rule the roost as long as he serves on the board. They can name who ever they wish as his sucessor like John Such but he is a Harvey clone so it will be the same old same old until this entire board has been put out.
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 04:46 pm |
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| Dwig, you are an idiot and I will no longer waste my time responding to your rants. You are so deep in the pockets of the board it is no wonder that you cannot think for yourself, you are oxygen deprived.
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 12:48 pm |
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ninuchy2 wrote: I for one am tired of being disrespected by these board members.
Actually it's the other way around.
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 03:33 am |
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ninuchy2 wrote: I for one am tired of being disrespected by these board members.
I have the feeling that this is becoming a growing trend in SCG.
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 02:18 am |
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| Good for you Pat. Martha was the only fiscally responsible person we had on City Council. She is a very strong woman and will help to keep the arrogance of the other board members who are all men with the exception of one other woman in check. She will not be bowled over. She is the only one that I am supporting. Mr. Sullivan thinks that he did the community a great service with the Age Inititive, and always toots his own whistle. Has it done anything for us. I haven't seen anything remarkable come of it. Not all of us thought that it was such a great idea in the first place, and he was very arrogant in the way he treated people who was in opposition to it. I for one am tired of being disrespected by these board members.
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 11:48 pm |
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Pat, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I think the community has been spending like drunken sailors in a port for the first time with the CARE fund. What everyone has to realize is that we are not a "new selling community", we are a "sold community" and the CARE fund is dependent on the resale of houses. We spend $170,000 plus on an addition for the woodshop, which benefits how many people, possibly around 200 to 300. To me that particular decision was not fiscally responsibility. Now every other club wants something (pickle-ballers want a club house, soft-ballers want a equipment room, theater group wants a theater, etc. and why not everyone else has gotten things throughout the years; look the sewing group not only got new digs, but new machines as well. Where do we draw the line. There are no parameters set other than a group of residents making the decisions, who some might have agendas with regard to some of the clubs. We should have had a plan in effect that the group has to come up with 1/2 the money that they are asking for. They could do this by fund raising, donations from club members, sales, etc. But how do we change this know without pissing off a large amount of residents...we made our bed and now we have to lay in it....unfortunate.
As far as gating the community, I do not feel this will happen...the cost is astronomical to say the least. Not only is there the upkeep of the roads, but the cost of buying and installing the gates as well as maintenance of the gates. I don't think the residents would want to pay another $100 or more a month to pay for this.
Also, if we have lasted 10 years without a comfort station at one of the golf courses, why spend that amount of money for it now. The golfers should do what they have been doing, go before or go after...pretty easy to figure out.
I personally think that listening to the community on these items is the way to go, with past management, someone would say something and it was just blown off and now at least they will be listened to. But I firmly believe that we have to be fiscally responsibly with what we are doing. To spend $50,000 to $80,000 a year to clean the tennis courts; maybe if there are 1,000 members they can each pay an additional $50 to $80 in their club fees to pay for this. Same with the pickle-ballers, they can pay X amount more to pay for their new club house. Why not charge the golfers additional dollars for tee times to pay for the comfort station. What is wrong with each of the clubs paying for some of their amenities?
My vote will only go to those that understand the community and what it will take to keep it in a great shape without spending on things that do not benefit the entire community.
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 07:45 pm |
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Thanks Cindisue. Right now I am only supporting Martha. Too often a long serving Board develops a "go along to get along" culture. You also see that in Corporations, School Boards, golf boards, and most especially boards made up of retirees. Only Bill Sullivan displayed sensitivity on the need to hold costs in line in the year ahead.
Here are some of the "conceptual Ideas" that Mitzi Mills has solicited from residents:
Cleaning golf courts using new hires, estimated costs : "the addition of two full time people would cost approximately $50,000 in wages, taxes and benefits. If we go with an outside company for daily service it would cost $90,000 per year."
A golf course "Comfort Station" at the 14th hole, estimated costs "Preliminary Cost Estimates: $72,000 to $83,000...would require the addition of the comfort station requires water, sewer, and electricity" When one of our valley cities added similar facilities in a park with utilities available, the actual cost ran around $150,000.
CI)-008-2007-Gated Community -- It has been requested that we look into the costs and feasibility of gating the community. "The study will include the City of Surprise requirements for us to take over the maintenance of the streets, new personnel to man the gate"(s), ... and then there will be the costs of gating all entrances, the gate repairs which runs around $25,000 annually in another Del Webb community, excepting the incidents when trucks and cars push through the gates resulting in replacement. Ok yes, the incident of deliberate or accident push through is significant in all gated communities. They would also need to add replacements to reserve requirements for obsolescence. Then there is the costs associated with providing gate openers and/or electronic cards to each resident and their household memebers, the costs of issuing new ones until perhaps reimbursed by user fees, and cost of daily record keeping for such a large data base.
I agree with the idea of letting residents put forth ideas since that sometimes produces the best ideas, but why not balance that with talk about the need for controlling expenses when fuel costs, power bills, insurance, benefits and other variable costs are soaring?
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 04:53 pm |
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Pat, I'm with you the spending is way out of control. Even considering the pickelball club house with the way the economy is going is the stupidest thing I have heard.
Which candidates did you feel were more into being fiscally responsible?
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 04:12 pm |
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Goldrush: The current election will result in replacement of only one member from the list below. The rest are current Board members, with the exception of Martha Bails.
Martha Bails
Jan Kroesen
Rosemary Murphy
John Such
Bill Sullivan
I attended "Meet the Candidates" on Friday and found only 2 or 3 that I could support. No one talked about two of the big issues on my neighbors minds----security cameras operational at all entrances to SCG, and a Board willing to hold down spending in a severe recession. Instead, they all referred to a list of 20+ expensive projects they are currently entertaining, many which will cost thousands.
Goto GrandInfo.Com to read about these proposals. The Board also announced another 4 % increase in assessments and unknown increases in fees such as the CARE fee and a long list of fees associated with selling your home and using our facilities.
I sent in questions as did those sitting beside me, but it seemed they were discarded in favor Board friendly policy questions, often repetitive.
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Posted: Fri Feb 1st, 2008 03:48 am |
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| Unfortuntely only one will be able to get replaced. Hopefully everyone will want to see a new face on the board and not just re-elect the clones of Harvey
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