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Sunny Surprise
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We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families and they face adversity all day every day...
I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans,
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all
kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening
to cut funding for them?
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Lets face facts, the majority of illegal aliens (at least in AZ) come from Mexico. Latino groups get upset because they are being 'profiled'; I don't remember any huge uproar when African-American's are stopped for 'DWB' (driving while black). When muslims face extra scrutiny at an airport, or are taken off planes we applaud 'you can't be too careful, we are waging war on terrorism'. Well, illegal's are economic terrorists; they apply for and are given almost unlimited benefits that people who are here legally have to fight for, they commit crimes and are afforded legal representation and interpreter services, which WE pay for!
I'm sick of the argument that they 'just want a better life' well get in line!! I want a better life for my children, so if I go and rob a bank, just remember, I'm just trying to make life better for my family who happen to be in this country LEGALLY.
I totally agree that this country was built by immigrants, but they came in through the front door, they didn't sneak in.
One more thought, why is it if you disagree with someone breaking the law by entering the country illegally, you're branded a 'racist'?
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GEM, if you are going to post on this topic, start a new thread. This one has been corrupted.
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This government is a real joke when it comes to immigration. First they don't try to stop these cockroaches from entering this country. Then when they get here we give them everything they want. now we are giving them even more.
There is something really wrong with the thinking of the elected ones.
Unfortunately our Sheriff Joe can't do much about this.
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HR2608 (passed by the House)
SSI Extension for Elderly and Disabled Refugees Act (Effective October 1, 2008) - Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to extend for two years (through FY2010) the eligibility of certain refugees, asylees, and other immigrants with pending applications for naturalization for supplemental security income (SSI) benefits.
The maximum Federal benefit changes yearly. Effective January 1, 2008, the Federal benefit rate is $637 for an individual and $956 for a couple. (Doesn't include children's benefit or Arizona's supplemental benefit).
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GEM127
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You are so right there. LL
Cemex Concrete is owned by Mexico and refuses to bid or supply any concrete to the building of the border fence.
...... WOW .....
What a unique concept they are doing, maybe we as a country should do the same to them and not buy any of their concrete. Last edited on Sun Mar 16th, 2008 01:05 am by GEM127
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GEM127 wrote: CHEERS to Our Governor. She wants to keep the National Guard at our borders.
I would rather see them there then in Iraq.
Yeah Gem, but in Iraq they are allowed to defend those borders.
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CHEERS to Our Governor. She wants to keep the National Guard at our borders.
I would rather see them there then in Iraq.Last edited on Fri Mar 14th, 2008 12:57 am by GEM127
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Yea Craig has got it right:
"I dont think those of you who think the quality will get better and the ethics of the workers will be better are not involved in business. I can tell you that the work ethic in america is rapidly changing from what it used to be to employees who are only interested in what the employer can do for me. Then ask them to work for it and they act like your crazy.."
Our work ethic has slipped after our companys sold out our cash retirement funds, sent the bulk of out jobs over seas and accross the border. Dell can't find customer service reps that will work for $2.00 us dollars, but East Indians will. Lucent Technologies, (old at&t manufacturing) continues to take away retirement benfits.
The Federal Government had to step in to save some retirement benefits
(ERISA)
Here's some goodies: http://www.enron.com/
Yep the American worker developed a bad attitude just like that!
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| There was about 6 different ones. So he must do this on a regular basis.
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| If he would have answered the question he would have spent less time there.
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Check this guy out, he is a total a** towards the Border Patrol Agents
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/110208_b_Checkpoint.htmLast edited on Sun Feb 17th, 2008 03:18 pm by GEM127
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You are so right. I think they should check any and all people who fit the description of a possible illegal alien. Not just the ones who commit serious crimes. But I guess you have to start somewhere. Now I know this might seem very harsh to some, but 300 billion dollars is a lot of money we spend keeping them. Does anyone realize how much person body amour our soldiers could afford to have, if we didn't support Mexico.
And if anyone wants to call me a racist, I guess it's true. All I want is this country back.Last edited on Sun Feb 17th, 2008 12:26 am by GEM127
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. . . would that be the PHX PD change in policy which allows officers to ascertain the legal status of individuals apprehended for misdemeanors and felonies?
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Finally the law enforcement agencies are going to start asking if the person they are arresting is illegal or not. They might not be their job to the fullest, like the Sheriff's Office is, but it's a start..
Congratulations to all our law enforcement agencies. And Thank You.
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None of the candidates have any answers to the immigration problem in this country. They can double talk the situation to death And you hear things like it is going to be hard to deport all of them or they will probably leave by themselves. Do these politicians think the US citizens are that stupid. Maybe if someone in Washington started do something about the problem all the legal citizens would join in and rid our country of all of these illegal aliens.
At a cost of over 300 billion dollars a year we could use that money to start deportation. I say put a $100.00 bounty on every illegal aliens head in this country. I bet the illegals will be turn each other in for the $100.00. Maybe that is not the answer but at least it is a suggestion, and that is more then we are getting out of Washington.
$1000.00 per head of each Illegal Alien would probably cost the tax payers least then what we are paying to keep them here. I know where I could make about $25,000.00 myself. And I would be willing to pay taxes on that money.Last edited on Wed Feb 6th, 2008 02:43 am by GEM127
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Read through some of these things, it really gives you an understanding as to wich way "Immigration" is heading. lots of good info here.
Trinational Call for a North American Economic and Security Community by 2010
http://www.cfr.org/publication/7914/
http://www.american.edu/ia/cnas/ed/courses.cfm
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Building a North American Community
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Building a North American Community. comprised of policy practitioners, scholars, and business leaders from. each of the three countries. ...
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Toward a North American Community: Lessons from the Old World for the New
http://www.american.edu/ia/cnas/pubs/pastornac.cfm
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John McCain is lying through his teeth. His assertion of illegals paying back taxes is a joke. How would the amount of back taxes be determined? Most illegals paying taxes receive a check under the earned income credit. How would a determination that an individual has "learned" English be made? By whom? Pay a fine? How much? Over what period of time?
McCain Teamed with ultra -Liberal Ted Kennedy In pushing the last amnesty program. McCain is now trying to sell himself as a conservative. Don't be suckered in by him. If he becomes president, he'll be right back in bed with Ted.
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As the Senate prepares to publicize its proposal for comprehensive immigration reform and the parties prepare for the presidential nomination process, we thought it would be interesting, if not useful, to track the current candidates opinions and statements on immigration issues and immigration reform.
We have been tracking the deep divisions within the Republican party which led to inaction on a Senate-backed immigration proposal last year. These divisions in the Republican party are mainly due to business and industry on the one hand demanding more low-wage workers, while on the other grass-roots conservatives are demanding that those workers be shipped home. Recently, we have seen Republican candidates speaking on border security and deemphasizing proposals for pathways to legalization and/or citizenship – even though those proposals would be supported by President Bush. Republican candidates are now also taking a tougher stance on how to deal with the issue of the approximately 12 million immigrants estimated to be living in the United States illegally.
On the other side, Democrats currently hold a 12-point advantage over Republicans on a generic 2008 Presidential ballot. Among the Democrats, the key is to keep a united front on the immigration issue, as anti-illegal sentiment may not matter much in the primaries. However if in November 2008 the Republicans nominate a candidate who takes a more popular stance on this issue than the Democratic candidate, this issue could cause serious trouble for the Democrats.
Below is a summary of current Republican and Democrat candidates’ stance on immigration issues.
Below is a summary of current Republican candidates’ stance on immigration issues:
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani: He is said to be “open” to conferring legal status to undocumented immigrants, if they are or become proficient in English. Most recently, he has said that the emphasis should be on security, now more than ever due to the terrorism threat. Yesterday, he was highly criticized for stating that Republicans are better equipped to battle terrorism than Democrats.
Senator John McCain of Arizona: Sponsored a 2006 immigration proposal allowing undocumented immigrants to stay in the U.S., work and apply to become legal residents after learning English, paying fines and back taxes and clearing a background check. However, Senator McCain said last month he would consider making them go home before they could apply for citizenship. Recently, he has also said that the need to secure our borders should be the first priority.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney: Currently running fourth in popularity for the GOP’s nomination, he has stated that he opposes Senator McCain's immigration bill even though he was quoted as calling it a reasonable proposal in 2005. Gov. Romney supports building a border fence with Mexico and stationing National Guard troops there. He also favors penalties for employers who knowingly hire undocumented immigrants. As governor of Massachusetts, he agreed to allow state troopers to enforce federal immigration law, including arresting undocumented immigrants and seeking their deportation.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee: Favors allowing undocumented immigrants to legalize their status if they pay penalties, obtain guest worker permits or visas, and register with the authorities. However, he believes undocumented immigrants should be made to wait in the ‘back of the line’ behind those who are currently seeking permanent residency. As governor of Arkansas, he opposed banning state services for undocumented immigrants.
Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas: Voted for the 2006 immigration proposal that included a path to legalization to undocumented immigrants subject to conditions, including English proficiency and payment of back taxes. He also voted for construction of a border fence between the U.S. and Mexico and has recently stated that more enforcement is necessary.
Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado: Opposes any immigration proposal that would include a path for legalization and/or citizenship for undocumented immigrants. However, he has said that he does not support or call for mass deportations but believes that undocumented immigrants will “self-deport" if businesses are penalized for hiring them and jobs are unavailable for them here. He also favors a cut or reduction in the current quotas of legal immigration.
California Congressman Duncan Hunter: He is a long shot Republican candidate who – similar to Tom Tancredo - has a get-tough record on immigration. He received loud applause at a Republican county convention in South Carolina last weekend when he spoke about quickening the pace on the construction of fencing along the border with Mexico.
Former Wisconsin Gov. and former Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson: He has stated that undocumented immigrants currently in the U.S. should all be deported, and then should all have to wait at the end of the line behind people seeking to enter the U.S. or become citizens legally.
Below is a summary of current Democrat candidates’ stance on immigration issues:
Senator of New York Hillary Rodham Clinton: She has, up to the present, taken a conservative position on illegal immigration which is probably a strategy to shake her "liberal" label and appeal to traditionally Republican states. However, she led efforts for the Immigrant Children's Health Improvement Act, championed the Access to Employment and English Acquisition Act, and co-sponsored the DREAM Act and, joined Senator Larry Craig (R-ID), Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA), and 60 other senators to cosponsor the Agricultural Job Opportunity Benefits and Security Act of 2003.
Senator of Illinois Barak Obama: Voted to extend welfare and Medicaid to immigrants(July 1998), voted in support of establishing a Guest Worker program (May 2006), voted in support of allowing undocumented immigrants to participate in Social Security. (May 2006), and voted to support including a path to legalization and/or citizenship for Guest Workers as long as they meet some established criteria (May 2006).
Former Vice President Al Gore: He has not made any recent statements either in favor or against comprehensive immigration reform. In November of 2000 he stated that while English is our national language, the policy of “English-Only” would divide the nation. In March of 2000 he stated that allowing more immigrant workers into the U.S. would alleviate our labor shortages, and in April of 1999 he acknowledged that immigration leads to diversity and cultural tolerance.
North Carolina Senator John Edwards: In 2004, he stated that he would support a proposal for the reform of our immigration system so there is a clear road map to legalization and citizenship for undocumented immigrants who work hard and follow the law. He also stated that the U.S. should work closely with Mexico to better control the border and stop illegal trafficking.
Senator of Massachusetts John Kerry: Since October of 2004, Senator Kerry has supported a Temporary Worker Program and an earned legalization program, especially for family unity, while acknowledging that a Guest Worker Program alone will not solve our current immigration problems. In May of 2006 he supported the Senate’s proposal for immigration reform which included a path for legalization and/or citizenship for Guest Workers. He supports the restoration of some benefits for immigrants which were lost in 1996 welfare reform. He supports expedited citizenship for members of the Armed Forces.
Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee: Voted to support allowing more foreign workers into the U.S. in the agriculture industry (July 1998), supported additional work visas for skilled workers (May 1998) and also supported limiting welfare for certain immigrants (June 1997).
Other Democrats whose names have been floating around as potential 2008 Presidential candidates have so far failed to make a national impact. In a Wall Street Journal poll published today, Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich and former Sen. Mike Gravel of Alaska all receive support of 3% or less.
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This is from SunnyLaker on the AZ Public Forums
It's time we wake up. Boy am I confused. Listening to the partisan "politicals," I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that are bankrupting us. I now find that to be ridiculous.
Now ... I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URLs for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally -- and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 million dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 billion dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S. http://transcripts.cnncom/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens who crossed our southern border, also as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute estimated that "the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five-year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States." http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
Are we THAT stupid??? Last edited on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 03:46 pm by GEM127
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American Freedom Riders still need your support. They have a lot of information on their web site. americanfreedomriders.com
Thank you and God Bless America and All Legal U.S. Citizens
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| Contact me and I will prove that there is still good quality. Good east coast quality at affordable prices. Last edited on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 04:03 pm by GEM127
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Maybe the younger generation doesn't have the work ethics that is loved by all but they do have a need to learn. I think and hope the future will see many changes with the youth of America. We should help mold the younger generation, help them make the right chooses when it comes to the future of America. Maybe they should study how the Native Americans believe life should be when you get to be an elder.
And from what I have heard from some people. The employer who has these illegals working for him has just added so much work, these illegals can't do the work assigned to them. and the only way to get the job done is to cut as many corners as possible. Last edited on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 04:37 am by GEM127
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Craig,
I will give you that the work ethic in America is slipping downward drastically. However, don't you think that if people are getting paid more for a job an employer will have a right to expect more from their people? If not, there are others who will take this better-paying job.
I'd hate to think that we are stuck with poor work ethics and it will only get worse. I don't know where this awful work ethic is coming from, but I do see it in the generation of teens and twentysomethings.
Try actually getting service from someone in the service industry and you will be met with rolled eyes, blank stares, or a shrug of "I don't know". Sure, there are exceptions, but it's sad that the rule is the opposite entirely too much these days.
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| Craig is right on here! Todays worker is only interested in what he can get out of the employer. They want to come in at the top a get top salary, but are they willing to work for it? Heck no!
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| I dont think those of you who think the quality will get better and the ethics of the workers will be better are not involved in business. I can tell you that the work ethic in america is rapidly changing from what it used to be to employees who are only interested in what the employer can do for me. Then ask them to work for it and they act like your crazy..
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You are so right. The only people who have a problem with the new law are the owners of these companies who once or still do employ illegal aliens. They are now having to hire employable legal people. They have to pay better wages to get help. The workmanship will raise because of the type of worker who is now going to be employed will have some ethics in the work they are doing. Yes they will try to raise the cost but there will be a lot of competition out there and they will have to fight to stay competitive. Their profits will fall. I would say that some of these companies will fold within 6 months.
It is a Win for everyone. The illegals get to go home and straighten out the problems they have in their own country and we get rid of them from our country. WIN.... WIN.... This is just a small part of the solution on immigration in this country, but I must admit it is a start.
Do Not Hire Illegal Aliens It's Against The Law!
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Prices will go up, but so will quality. I don't think prices will exactly go "sky high", but I don't mind paying a little more if the money is staying here in the U.S. and supporting the American worker. This also means that their wages will be taxed and they will be contributing fairly to the system. Maybe we can do away with some welfare programs if these unskilled and skilled labor jobs become available to citizens.
Illegals have been giving us a false economy all along anyway. Sure, prices will go up a bit, but so will wages. It will all balance out in the end. Besides, if it doesn't work out, then we can still institute a guest worker type program if it is necessary, but even that wouldn't keep prices low. It will just give us a bigger work force.
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As long as you are ok with prices going sky high and nearly unavailible in certain areas and not complain about it later than I say your viewpoint is fine.
If you however want it both ways (cheap prices and illegals out) then you are dreaming.
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But why is it okay for people to pick up the illegals and give them a day's work because they are cheap labor? I'm not getting that at all, it's not good for the illegal and it's not good for us. The illegals are breaking their backs for a pittance and they don't claim any income therefore pay nothing in taxes and yet utilize all of our resources.
That's a lose - lose if I ever saw one. They need to stay in their own country and fight for jobs there or things will never change in Mexico or any of the other countries they come from. We aren't helping them, we are hurting them.
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Back to the topic at hand.........
I was watching the news last night on the protests going on at Pruitt's in Phoenix. This man going there to find day labor was met with protests and angry people and I do believe he ended up leaving empty handed.
When the news reporter asked him, "What do you think of all these angry protesters not wanting to you to be able to get day laborers" ([paraphrasing here I don't recall the actual quote)
The man turned and said, "I just need help do any of them want to hop in my truck and work today?
touche
Now, I'm really on the fence here I can see the pros and con and I am a bit more learning toward the fact that if they are here illegally they shouldn't be however I think this guy hit the nail on the head.
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Ahh the 90's were fantastic werent they
2009 -2014 is gonna be so much better. (I think you're a legend, too).
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| Ahh the 90's were fantastic werent they
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| You sure can, and when your done you can get a pardon...And pretend it never happened.
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Craig wrote: Get a room LL
Yeah there we go maybe can get a room in the white house with Bill when Hillary is elected. That would be hilarious.....
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sometimes rational wrote: GEM127 wrote: sometimes rational wrote:
GEM127 wrote: You are so right. I know when my forefathers came here, they were proud just to be in this country and learning a new language was very important to them. They had PRIDE and they knew it would be a long hard road they would have to travel. They didn't ask for anything. What they got they earned.
The illegals that we are dealing with now want us to just give and give more and more. They have no pride and they are just looking for the easy way in.
More racist drivel..yawn.
Not racist at all. I hate anyone who comes into this country illegally. I don't care what color, race, sex or religion they are. You are the one who is always playing the racists card on this site. If we are not racists, then we are democrats or terrorists. You always find a name to call somebody you disagree with. And like I said before "you and only you are right about everything." You are a legend in your own mind.
LOL--funny..I'm a legend but you're the guy who quotes himself.
I think you are a legend SR 
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GEM127 wrote: sometimes rational wrote:
GEM127 wrote: You are so right. I know when my forefathers came here, they were proud just to be in this country and learning a new language was very important to them. They had PRIDE and they knew it would be a long hard road they would have to travel. They didn't ask for anything. What they got they earned.
The illegals that we are dealing with now want us to just give and give more and more. They have no pride and they are just looking for the easy way in.
More racist drivel..yawn.
Not racist at all. I hate anyone who comes into this country illegally. I don't care what color, race, sex or religion they are. You are the one who is always playing the racists card on this site. If we are not racists, then we are democrats or terrorists. You always find a name to call somebody you disagree with. And like I said before "you and only you are right about everything." You are a legend in your own mind.
LOL--funny..I'm a legend but you're the guy who quotes himself.
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sometimes rational wrote:
GEM127 wrote: You are so right. I know when my forefathers came here, they were proud just to be in this country and learning a new language was very important to them. They had PRIDE and they knew it would be a long hard road they would have to travel. They didn't ask for anything. What they got they earned.
The illegals that we are dealing with now want us to just give and give more and more. They have no pride and they are just looking for the easy way in.
More racist drivel..yawn.
Not racist at all. I hate anyone who comes into this country illegally. I don't care what color, race, sex or religion they are. You are the one who is always playing the racists card on this site. If we are not racists, then we are democrats or terrorists. You always find a name to call somebody you disagree with. And like I said before "you and only you are right about everything." You are a legend in your own mind.
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| I am still giggling over the prostitutes...... If they were American citizens or legally documented vistors or workers then they have the right to assemble as long as the prostitutes were not providing services during th protest then they were not breaking the law at that time you have to be caught in the act of prostitution. If you are assembled in a group proclaiming you are here undocumented or illegally then you are retarded because that is illegal and that is the crime.....
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Posted: Tue Jan 1st, 2008 09:53 pm |
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GEM127 wrote: You are so right. I know when my forefathers came here, they were proud just to be in this country and learning a new language was very important to them. They had PRIDE and they knew it would be a long hard road they would have to travel. They didn't ask for anything. What they got they earned.
The illegals that we are dealing with now want us to just give and give more and more. They have no pride and they are just looking for the easy way in.
More racist drivel..yawn.
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You are so right. I know when my forefathers came here, they were proud just to be in this country and learning a new language was very important to them. They had PRIDE and they knew it would be a long hard road they would have to travel. They didn't ask for anything. What they got they earned.
The illegals that we are dealing with now want us to just give and give more and more. They have no pride and they are just looking for the easy way in.
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| What ever happened to something called "naturalization"? Isn't that what every other immigrant has dealt with? Ask other recent immigrants and they will tell you that they worked long and hard to get through the legal process. They learned the language, took classes in U.S. history/government, secured steady jobs and are tremendously proud of their accomplishments. Is it the world-wide sense of entitlement that drives this immigration issue? Last edited on Tue Jan 1st, 2008 07:59 pm by clarz007
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SR happens to be one of those B.H.L.'s. Sometimes he has some well thought out points, but most of the time I think he just talks to hear himself talk.
We have a major problem in this country with the illegal aliens. People like that would just like to keep their blinders on and maybe the problem will go away. They make up excuses or praise for the way the country is doing or not doing anything about the situation depending on their feelings about the subject. They will do anything, even if it means reading between the lines to make someone believe what they are saying is the truth.
Yes, I might have a lot to say about this subject but at least you know where I stand. Send all illegals aliens back. Send them back NOW!
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MrsF wrote: sometimes rational wrote: MrsF wrote: First of all, they don't have a Constitutional Right to anything in this country because the Constitution applies to CITIZENS. Citizens are defined clearly as all people BORN OR NATURALIZED in the United States. Therefore, they are being ballsy in their demands, of which they are not entitled to. I think you're confused...unless their protests violate federal, state or local law or ordinance, they without doubt have a right to protest anything they want to. The constitution gives 'us' the right to mass but it does not exclude non-citizens.. Wow! You really think that ILLEGAL people in this country have any right to redress their grievances against OUR government according to the First Amendment?! Sure, they may be able to say what they want, but do you really think they have a right to any form of entitlement from our government? It's possible you will never understand this, but I'll try one more time...the first amendment is irrelevent in this situation...unless illegal's are in violation of a specific law or ordinance, they have every right to protest whatever they wish to. To my knowledge, there is no specific law or ordinance which targets illegals so they have the right to protest ...the First Amendment, while pertaining to citizens, does not exclude non-citizens. You may not like that they are you equal in this regard, but that's the way it is..otherwise..Arpaio would have arrested them for illegal massing or some such thing.
Second of all, what dignity are they demanding? They are demanding that they NOT be considered criminals. They broke the law and are blatant about it. Again, you are in error. They are not 'criminals' until they have been convicted of breaking a law....have you never speeded or did not come to a full stop and not been caught? If your answer is 'yes', you are admitting you are a criminal.
And when our police officers try to go after them to turn them into criminals, they have every right. These people are basically protesting the police officer's right to enforce the law. I have yet to find any other group of lawbreakers who are banding together to protest police action against their attempts at making a living. Where are all of the prostitutes and drug dealers who are demanding that police not harrass them? Off the top of my head, I recall that prostitutes have banded together in the past to oppose crack-dwons..they were allowed to as they broke no laws. Nowhere, because they realize police must do their job. Why have we as a society allowed this to happen? Why didn't the police officers round them all up when they marched in the streets? I don't know, but it would have been a perfect opportunity for them to clear a whole bunch of ILLEGALS out of here. Our police officers are using due process by asking for their proof of citizenship (asking for proper I.D.) when people are loitering around outside of businesses pestering customers for "work". Pruitt's is private property and they have a right to conduct business without harrassment, and their customers have a right to enter and exit the store without being harrassed by people, legal or otherwise.
Trust me, I don't want to shut down people with opposing views. I love that people discuss and debate issues from both ends. I just really HATE that people are coming into this country ILLEGALLY and making all sorts of demands and actually getting away with it. Debate and discussion is healthy. Coming out of the woodwork and demanding things people aren't entitled to by the very nature of their being here illegally is very offensive to me. You can call me intolerant if you want. I am intolerant of such behaviors. It's not the people themselves, it's the attitude they display - like they are entitled to something. Basically, they sneak into this country, are "treated without dignity" (I haven't figured out how, exactly), and then are upset about the LEGAL citizens being fed up and demanding change.
I have a right to be upset. It seems to me like you are intolerant of my right to be upset. You absolutely have a right to be upset...as long as your upsetedness (is that a word?) does not infring upon the rights of others. How would it do that? That doesn't even make sense! Mrs. F...same concept that freedom of speech does not allow you the right to yell 'fire' in a theater if there is no fire...same concept that the right to bear arms does not give you the right to threaten or imtimidate others with a firearm. I actually have a constitutional right to be upset. I also am represented by Senators, Congressmen and a President, which gives me a right to protest their actions, or lack thereof. You see, the right to protest applies to The U.S. Government. I don't think people who don't legally belong here should have a right to protest OUR OWN government.
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MrsF wrote: sometimes rational wrote: MrsF wrote: First of all, they don't have a Constitutional Right to anything in this country because the Constitution applies to CITIZENS. Citizens are defined clearly as all people BORN OR NATURALIZED in the United States. Therefore, they are being ballsy in their demands, of which they are not entitled to. I think you're confused...unless their protests violate federal, state or local law or ordinance, they without doubt have a right to prote |