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Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 04:46 pm |
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rvukanovich wrote: The level of transparency is, which is required by law when conducting business, thus the open meeting law.
. . . no quarrel from me, but your expectations go well beyond complying with the Open Meeting Law as evidenced by your posts. It's unfortunate you don't have a seat on the Council . . . or is it?
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The level of transparency is, which is required by law when conducting business, thus the open meeting law.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 09:00 pm |
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rv . . . seems that your looking for a level of transparency in the conduct of the City's affairs that is unrealistic. Being kept informed is one thing; questioning everything the Council does is a fools errand which is not likely to be very productive; but it can be a cathartic experience for you.
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| Dang rv, you missed a great chance to blast them. Some old lady got on the council's case for their lack of puctuation skills. It was a tense second or two but they took it like pros. Ya shoulda been there to back her up. Sheesh! Last edited on Fri Feb 29th, 2008 08:04 pm by odds_are
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| I will not be at the meeting tonight, but it will be interesting to see if we can determine the method how this individual was chosen for this position.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 06:51 pm |
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The City should evaluate the company they hired to replace our City Manager to see how effective they are.
How was the last Community Development Director hired and why hasn't this position been filled yet.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 04:02 am |
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| Will the City Council address the issue why our Assistance City Managers will not accept the interum position.
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| Oh that website
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 03:46 pm |
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It is not on the head hunter's web site.
It has been on the ICMA website since Feb.4, 2008.
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| http://agency.governmentjobs.com/surprise/default.cfm?action=viewjob&JobID=96869&hit_count=Yes&headerfooter=1&promo=0&transfer=0&WDDXJobSearchParams=%3CwddxPacket%20version%3D%271%2E0%27%3E%3Cheader%2F%3E%3Cdata%3E%3Cstruct%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27FIND%5FKEYWORD%27%3E%3Cstring%3E%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27TRANSFER%27%3E%3Cstring%3E0%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27PROMOTIONALJOBS%27%3E%3Cstring%3E0%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3C%2Fstruct%3E%3C%2Fdata%3E%3C%2FwddxPacket%3E
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 02:56 pm |
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| The city council voted to hire a head hunter to find a city manager on Feb. 14, 2008, the position is not on their web site.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 11:53 pm |
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. . . why would you expect anything less, gadfly.
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When we elect our Mayor and Council we hope that they will be fiscally sound, so when we hire a new City Manager lets hope that he too will be fiscally responsibly and before he hires more employees that they do an efficiency audit on the department wanting more employees.
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razenkn wrote: inthewings wrote: Why does thought, reason and logic seem to scare and offend some of you...and why does it always feel like Mama is yelling at everyone?
It's more like screeching.  Sometimes it hurts my ears just looking at it.  Yep, you do have a mama complex -- Does she know??? But ya love me, don't ya?
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inthewings wrote: Why does thought, reason and logic seem to scare and offend some of you...and why does it always feel like Mama is yelling at everyone?
It's more like screeching. Sometimes it hurts my ears just looking at it.
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inthewings wrote: Why does thought, reason and logic seem to scare and offend some of you...and why does it always feel like Mama is yelling at everyone? Just giving Barney a little advice from the ol' raz himself. And why do you sound like raz? And, do you have a mama complex?
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| Why does thought, reason and logic seem to scare and offend some of you...and why does it always feel like Mama is yelling at everyone?
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raz said (amongst other drivel)
I'm flattered you care so much, but trust me I'm not worth an ulcer.
Barney, take it from the horses mouth!
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Barney wrote: Raz... Back in December I stated on this blog that Truitt was GOING to hire 2 positions that were not budgeted. You replied I was spreading rumors. Apparently I wasn't. Now you still seek proof about the rumors concerning hiring another "friend" as city manager. Again, you refuse to see the light your guy is shining.
Another bit of news for you. The second bowling alley I spoke about is about to hit you right between the eyes. You didn't buy the story then, but I will be be interested in your response when the second one is announced this week.
You don't know everything you profess to know. Some of us actually know more then you want to believe.
Speaking of "friends" what about your "friend" that works for the City that you claim to get all this inside knowledge from? But idle gossip isn't fact, it's just gossip, then you repeat it on here and then it really gets blown out of proportion. That is shameful for your "friend" to do so and it's shameful for you to do that. These are good, honest people you are trying to smear. You obviously do not have what is best for the City in mind when you do that, it's more of a "I'm gonna getcha mentality even if I have to make stuff up". Very bad for everyone concerned.
No, you weren't correct about the hiring of a "friend" then and you still aren't correct about "hiring" of another friend. In other words Barn, you still don't know what you are talking about. If you did, you would present your proof, but as usual you don't have any. The City hired Ms Gutier who wasn't a "friend" of Mayor Truitt's, he knew of her professionally. Big, big difference. My comment to you about spreading rumors was the fact you said she worked on his campaign and it was payback for getting him elected. That was just an out and out lie.
Now as far as the bowling alleys go, I'm not recalling how that conversation went for sure because I'm not all that interested in a bowling alley, but if I remember right you were the one saying that the AMF wouldn't build for at least two years maybe longer and that the other one would be coming in very soon. I do remember questioning why we would be getting two bowling alleys and someone else questioned the fact they are going to be fairly close together in location which we thought was weird.
Other than that, I don't recall your "story" but it is obvious with your "hit you between the eyes" comment it must be very important to you that you were right and I was wrong about something, so hey, you can be right this time ok? I didn't mean to bruise your ego if I said I didn't believe you, I just don't recall the conversation, sorry. You sound as though you've been obsessing over this issue with me, that's not healthy Barn, let it go.... it'll give you an ulcer. I'm flattered you care so much, but trust me I'm not worth an ulcer. 
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In reponse to IT's statement of:
"I thought King Truitt had it all figured out...didn't he say that it would only take 2 weeks to hire a new city manager? Now, he decides that it may be wise to hire a national search company? I think that he is in for a big surprise when he finds out that NO ONE is going to want to move to Surprise and run this city...but then again, he has his friends waiting in the wings...I'm sure he can give this job to one of them for helping him get elected"
What I am finding on these threads is that one can say anything they like, relevant or not, without proof or merit, just to malign the name of someone they do not like or agree with. It's always easier to toss out malicious accusations or call people names when you cannot debate or get your point across intelligently. The funny part, is that they always invoke their "right to speak freely" (whether it is true on not) and to state their own opinion. Heaven forbid if you disagree. Can the source of this vitriol and bitterness be ignorance or are they just still sulking like children?
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Raz... Back in December I stated on this blog that Truitt was GOING to hire 2 positions that were not budgeted. You replied I was spreading rumors. Apparently I wasn't. Now you still seek proof about the rumors concerning hiring another "friend" as city manager. Again, you refuse to see the light your guy is shining.
Another bit of news for you. The second bowling alley I spoke about is about to hit you right between the eyes. You didn't buy the story then, but I will be be interested in your response when the second one is announced this week.
You don't know everything you profess to know. Some of us actually know more then you want to believe.
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IT wrote..
I think that he is in for a big surprise when he finds out that NO ONE is going to want to move to Surprise and run this city...but then again, he has his friends waiting in the wings...I'm sure he can give this job to one of them for helping him get elected.
What proof do you have of that statement? Unless you have absolute information to substantiate that, then this is just another attempt at smearing the new council. Shameful. Don't you think the King Truitt stuff sounds just a little petty? The sore loser manta?
Just as an FYI, despite the last council's constant bad press, Surprise is still an attractive City for many reasons. Attracting smart and experienced applicants won't be the problem, the problem will be having so many to choose from. Your pessimism is totally unwarranted.
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New City Manager
Wonder what changed their mind to go nationally.
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| Independent Thinker: A record of contributors to Mayor Truitt's successful campaign is available at the City Clerk's office. I believe if you examine that public record you will find no contributor has received a regular city job. If I'm proven wrong, I shall apoligize on this site. If none is found , erroneous allegations should cease. Isn't that fair to Mayor Truitt and participants on this site?
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| I thought King Truitt had it all figured out...didn't he say that it would only take 2 weeks to hire a new city manager? Now, he decides that it may be wise to hire a national search company? I think that he is in for a big surprise when he finds out that NO ONE is going to want to move to Surprise and run this city...but then again, he has his friends waiting in the wings...I'm sure he can give this job to one of them for helping him get elected.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 11:03 pm |
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| I talked to the Human Resource Director at the last meeting, he said that the city managers position was on all of the web site's, that were available.
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| DUH...ya think?
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. . . understand Truitt is trying to get support for retaining a seach firm to conduct a national search. The current search approach is self-limiting and not likely to surface the best candidates.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 09:43 pm |
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Knowing that we have knowledgeable blogger’s on this web site, would somebody tell us how we stand on the search for a new City Manager?
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From all appearances, it looks like Mayor Truitt and the council are following appropriate protocol to recruit for the City Manager position. Council serves as the appointing authority. The Assistant to the Mayor and Council does not have the qualifications to fill the manager position. Seem her role is to solicit and accept applications. Simply a task assigned to her.
Based on the high quality conduct of the entire council at last night's meeting, we should have confidence the council will recruit, and ultimately employ a well-qualified person to become City Manager. Since it is not in the best interests of the council, why would they do otherwise?
The council already has an outstanding Attorney and City Clerk. Filling the manager position with a person of the same quality and diligence will complete the team of appointed officials necessary to expedite the council's "New Day for Surprise".
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Independent Thinker wrote: To apply, submit cover letter, resume, salary history, and four work-related references to Miryam Gutier, Assistant to Mayor and Council, City of Surprise, 12425 W. Bell Rd., Surprise, AZ 85374 or e-mail with MS Word attachment to miryam.gutier@surpriseaz.com. First review of applicants on March 7, 2008.
Salary: market competitive DOQ/E. Attractive benefit package included. EOE.
Are they by passing the Human Resource Director?
Have they hired a seach company?
Apparently this woman is running the city now...I wonder if it will be announced that she is the new city manager...It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Since when does a city contractor take precedence over the director of human resources...stay tuned folks, this is going to be an interesting 4 years.
It does no one any good to throw out false statements and innuendos everytime the council makes a move. It's shameful actually. Questions and concerns such as these could easily be answered by emailing anyone at City Hall so it would appear the truth isn't really the objective, it's just another chance to try to slime. Very counterproductive and useless.
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I would say it looks like the Mayor and Council are the hiring authority.
Sec. 2-145. Office created.
The office of city manager is created.
(Code 2007, § 2.08.010)
Sec. 2-146. Appointment.
The city manager shall be chosen by the council solely on the basis of his executive and administrative qualifications with special reference to his actual experience in or his knowledge of accepted practice in respect to the duties of his office set forth in this chapter. He need not be a resident of the city. No councilmember shall receive such appointment during the term for which he has been elected.
(Code 2007, § 2.08.020)
A.R.S. 9-303
9-303. City or town manager
A. The governing body of a city or town, in addition to the officers already specified by law, may, by ordinance, create the office of city or town manager, and appoint a person thereto to be known as the city or town manager.
B. The city or town manager shall have and exercise the powers and perform the duties relating to the affairs of the city or town as shall be specified by the ordinance creating the office of city or town manager.
C. The person appointed to the office of city or town manager shall serve at the pleasure of the governing body of the city or town and may be removed without cause by a majority vote thereof.
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To apply, submit cover letter, resume, salary history, and four work-related references to Miryam Gutier, Assistant to Mayor and Council, City of Surprise, 12425 W. Bell Rd., Surprise, AZ 85374 or e-mail with MS Word attachment to miryam.gutier@surpriseaz.com. First review of applicants on March 7, 2008.
Salary: market competitive DOQ/E. Attractive benefit package included. EOE.
Are they by passing the Human Resource Director?
Have they hired a seach company?
Apparently this woman is running the city now...I wonder if it will be announced that she is the new city manager...It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Since when does a city contractor take precedence over the director of human resources...stay tuned folks, this is going to be an interesting 4 years.
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City Manager. Surprise, AZ (104,000)
Reports to Mayor and six-member Council. $452M budget. 900 employees. Three City Managers since 1990. Third fastest growing suburban city in America, located in the northwest quadrant of the greater Phoenix metropolitan area; current population projected to grow to 179,000 by 2020.
Seeking candidates with:
extensive experience in long-term fiscal planning
strong intergovernmental relations
excellent interpersonal communication skills
The ideal candidate is a visionary leader who is able to engage City Council, staff and the community to achieve the Council’s top strategic goals: capital improvements, community visioning and meeting challenges of rapid growth. Thorough understanding of business development and retention, project management, budget, capital improvement, revenue enhancement and policy development required, plus ability to work successfully in fast-paced, rapidly changing environment.
To apply, submit cover letter, resume, salary history, and four work-related references to Miryam Gutier, Assistant to Mayor and Council, City of Surprise, 12425 W. Bell Rd., Surprise, AZ 85374 or e-mail with MS Word attachment to miryam.gutier@surpriseaz.com. First review of applicants on March 7, 2008.
Salary: market competitive DOQ/E. Attractive benefit package included. EOE.
Are they by passing the Human Resource Director?
Have they hired a seach company?
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razenkn wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: They know and knew they would be watched like a hawk and NO sniveling will earn them any respect from citizens. The Mayor has made these claims and has made his first boo boo. I disagree with giving them time to adjust, if they have made a mistake then they need to know so it does not happen again. Do you walk away from a smoldering ashtray and hope they figure it out before the fire??? I think not.
As for selecting qualified candidates for positions it should be interesting if the are actually hired on their merits of skills and not on their ability to know the right person.
What qualifies as a mistake by you LL doesn't necessarily mean that it actually is one. Just because he made a decision you don't agree with doesn't make it wrong. He is the Mayor and he is entitiled to make decisions without calling to see if you agree with it first. I don't see any "sniveling" from anyone. What I do see is a focused stellar group who is moving forward by placing the most qualified and experienced people in place to implement the goals and visions that were promised.
Raz, I apologize for the misunderstanding. I have underlined what I really said.
Also a campaign promise can so easily broken so I would imagine a reminder now and then wouldn't be a bad thing. As I stated they knew what they were getting into and accountability can be considered a very broad word to run your campaign under. I also believe our mayor was also part of a very destructive group called S.O.S.which was very political in nature and he also lost a bid for mayor before and did not fade away but remained very active ( if I am wrong please let me know because I will retract it)
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razenkn wrote:
As far as your last statement, don't you think that is a cheap shot? How do you reconcile that it's ok to make unfounded accusations attempting to destroy someone's professional reputation?
razenkn wrote:
Mama, I have heard that you don't even live within the boundaries of Surprise, but I don't always listen to rumors but I have to ask why you and your band of three or four believe that Doc was the best thing for the City? Did he share with you, was that the deal?
Maybe you should answer the question first raz...
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| Goldrush: I have only posted expressing a desire for the new council to follow rules.No accusations of misconduct have been made. My concern centers on the undeniable fact the old council ignored procedural and fiscal restraint on a routine basis. I support the new council. One of the best ways the new group can destroy their own credibility is to fall back to the old council's contempt for appropriate conduct. Hopefully, you and others support that value.
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Several posters talk about playing by the rules, following the manuals, adhering to the regs, etc. I've not seen nor heard of anthing that would indicate that the Mayor is not conducting the city's business in accordance with established city policies, city council resolutions, statutory authority, etc. What I am seeing is posters who have their own set of rules and expect others to play by them. As for political patronage, it's a common and accepted practice at all levels of government and within the private sector. What we are seeing is the exercise of strong leadership which was not a hallmark of the previous mayor.
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Reactor said:
This council needs our support while the work to get the job done. They also need to play by the rules.
Bottom line!
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During the last year work was started on new content for the city council booklet of policies and procedures, a revised code of ethics(recommended by a private law firm employed by council) and other subject matter related to council accountability. For reasons known to themselves, the outgoing council opted to leave responsibility for implementation of these particulars to the newly seated council.
This council was hit immediately with having to recruit a new city manager and working out a resolution to the $800,000 problem with American Water. No outside observer is aware of all other problems the new people are facing. We do that JJ and Foro are not going to be ofsubstantial assistance. As reported, JJ and foro where whining because neither was selected as vice-mayor.
This council needs our support while the work to get the job done. They also need to play by the rules.
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LucifersLandlord wrote: They know and knew they would be watched like a hawk and NO sniveling will earn them any respect from citizens. The Mayor has made these claims and has made his first boo boo. I disagree with giving them time to adjust, if they have made a mistake then they need to know so it does not happen again. Do you walk away from a smoldering ashtray and hope they figure it out before the fire??? I think not.
As for selecting qualified candidates for positions it should be interesting if the are actually hired on their merits of skills and not on their ability to know the right person.
What qualifies as a mistake by you LL doesn't necessarily mean that it actually is one. Just because he made a decision you don't agree with doesn't make it wrong. He is the Mayor and he is entitiled to make decisions without calling to see if you agree with it first. I don't see any "sniveling" from anyone. What I do see is a focused stellar group who is moving forward by placing the most qualified and experienced people in place to implement the goals and visions that were promised.
As far as your last statement, don't you think that is a cheap shot? How do you reconcile that it's ok to make unfounded accusations attempting to destroy someone's professional reputation?
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Posted: Tue Jan 15th, 2008 01:52 am |
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We concur and we love you!
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Ok I hope your all sitting down!!! I agree with Bob ( don't panic) on the claims of accountability and transparency. Each and every person just elected has had plenty of time to make sure they cross their T's and dot their I's since deciding to run. They know and knew they would be watched like a hawk and NO sniveling will earn them any respect from citizens. The Mayor has made these claims and has made his first boo boo. I disagree with giving them time to adjust, if they have made a mistake then they need to know so it does not happen again. Do you walk away from a smoldering ashtray and hope they figure it out before the fire??? I think not.
As for selecting qualified candidates for positions it should be interesting if the are actually hired on their merits of skills and not on their ability to know the right person.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 05:42 pm |
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Thanks Reactor for the information!
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 03:55 am |
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Postings are being made about Surprise city government using several headings. We will soon have authentic knowledge concerning each topic. Tony ,Monica, Tim and others will inform the masses. Rumors are not a reliable source of information and only serve to harm the image of Surprise at a critical time . A mostly new group of leaders is in place attempting to steer the USS Surprise on a productive course.
My hope is that those leaders follow the manuals. That is what the reg's are for.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 03:35 am |
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razenkn wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Oh my God, I guess I better tell my family they don't live in Surprise!
And as far as John, yes that is how democracy goes. Hopefully he can give Truitt a run for his money. It can keep things lively -- and that's a good thing!
And as far as Doc, 'did he share with you' -- share what raz?
And your Truitt statement: Mayor Truitt didn't come in with anything other than attempting to put a highly respected management team in place to conduct City business.
No one will argue with the premise. It's the way he started out attempting to do it -- Good thing eyes were watching!
Yes Mama, perhaps you should mention that to them if they aren't already aware. (that is code for wink, wink)
You say, "hopefully John Williams can give Mayor Truitt a run for his money"?? Aren't they on the same team, like doing what is best for the City? Why do you feel the need to have an adversary against the Mayor on the Council? Isn't that counterproductive? and/or childish??
Good thing whose eyes are watching -- Yours?? Again, I heard for the second time just this weekend you don't live within the City limits so perhaps your opinion isn't relevant. When I heard it the first time I didn't pay a lot of attention, but when you hear something twice and from two different sources then perhaps it's time to pay attention. We don't need outsiders butting into our business, we have enough to deal with.
It is my understanding Mayor Truitt only wants to put a top notch management team in place to focus on his goals and vision that he promised the constituents. Nothing out of the ordinary. These people are highly qualified and came unquestionably recommended by some very influential people not only in the valley but at state level. Do we have to pay for these qualified people, one would only assume so. We aren't Mayberry RFD as someone has pointed out in the past, we need to be progressive and highlight what we have to offer or we will never get anywhere. Mayor Truitt will take us there if we allow him to do so, but you can't continue to fight the fight of those who aren't interested in what is best for the City and expect us to move forward.
Oh where to begin, where to begin.
Let's see, to bring together para 1 and 3, my mail comes from the same Surprise post office in the same type little white postal truck as yours with the same Surprise, AZ on the bottom line of the address. Only difference would be the zip (unless you live in my zip) since Surprise has gained so many in recent years. Now, if you have people other than my blog buds telling you far fetched stories of knowing me, I'd sure like to know who. I guess I could ask the same question, do you live in Surprise? (wink, wink) Believe me, my opinion is very, very relevant. Besides that, wasn't there something stated just a short while back where everyone's opinions and concerns were to be heard? Are you becoming the Council police in an attempt to keep people out? Not good, not good -- you better check with the city attorney.
And yep, John and Truitt are on the same Council as are the others. I do prefer a thinking Council though with minds of their own in the event someone tries the runaway train trick. The last Council had their own minds though and some people out there didn't like it.
As I stated before, a top notch team is fine. You don't have to repeat yourself. It just needs to be done according to laws, rules, guidelines, etc., and is probably the type thing the new improved version of CAVE people will be watching for. If this crew can get it together, I don't think you'll hear too much complaining.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 02:56 am |
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Mamazoyd wrote: Oh my God, I guess I better tell my family they don't live in Surprise!
And as far as John, yes that is how democracy goes. Hopefully he can give Truitt a run for his money. It can keep things lively -- and that's a good thing!
And as far as Doc, 'did he share with you' -- share what raz?
And your Truitt statement: Mayor Truitt didn't come in with anything other than attempting to put a highly respected management team in place to conduct City business.
No one will argue with the premise. It's the way he started out attempting to do it -- Good thing eyes were watching!
Yes Mama, perhaps you should mention that to them if they aren't already aware. (that is code for wink, wink)
You say, "hopefully John Williams can give Mayor Truitt a run for his money"?? Aren't they on the same team, like doing what is best for the City? Why do you feel the need to have an adversary against the Mayor on the Council? Isn't that counterproductive? and/or childish??
Good thing whose eyes are watching -- Yours?? Again, I heard for the second time just this weekend you don't live within the City limits so perhaps your opinion isn't relevant. When I heard it the first time I didn't pay a lot of attention, but when you hear something twice and from two different sources then perhaps it's time to pay attention. We don't need outsiders butting into our business, we have enough to deal with.
It is my understanding Mayor Truitt only wants to put a top notch management team in place to focus on his goals and vision that he promised the constituents. Nothing out of the ordinary. These people are highly qualified and came unquestionably recommended by some very influential people not only in the valley but at state level. Do we have to pay for these qualified people, one would only assume so. We aren't Mayberry RFD as someone has pointed out in the past, we need to be progressive and highlight what we have to offer or we will never get anywhere. Mayor Truitt will take us there if we allow him to do so, but you can't continue to fight the fight of those who aren't interested in what is best for the City and expect us to move forward.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 02:23 am |
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Oh my God, I guess I better tell my family they don't live in Surprise!
And as far as John, yes that is how democracy goes. Hopefully he can give Truitt a run for his money. It can keep things lively -- and that's a good thing!
And as far as Doc, 'did he share with you' -- share what raz?
And your Truitt statement: Mayor Truitt didn't come in with anything other than attempting to put a highly respected management team in place to conduct City business.
No one will argue with the premise. It's the way he started out attempting to do it -- Good thing eyes were watching!
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 01:29 am |
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Mamazoyd wrote: Some of us are giving the new council room in ways you couldn't imagine raz, and unfortunately you'll never know. I guess my perception is that if people hadn't complained, Truitt would have come blasting in with a fulltime Council or Mayor assistant and never attempted to pass it the way it was supposed to be. Thank God for the people. IMO when I look back at your postings and your approval rating of Truitt, it lead people to believe that he'd come in with perfection. Let's face it: your boys are not as perfect as you tried to lead on. They've got a lot to learn.
Hey, don't I get credit for saying Kudos to John Williams?
Mama, I have heard that you don't even live within the boundaries of Surprise, but I don't always listen to rumors but I have to ask why you and your band of three or four believe that Doc was the best thing for the City? Did he share with you, was that the deal?
Mayor Truitt didn't come in with anything other than attempting to put a highly respected management team in place to conduct City business. People who would make us shine and have the utmost respect from not only the entire valley but also from our state political leaders such as Max Wilson and as high up as our Governor.
Do I give you kudos for John Williams disagreeing with the Mayor on an item, no. Why would anyone? Mayor Truitt is not the enemy, he is our MAYOR. He represents our CITY. If John Williams disagrees with anyone on the council, isn't that how democracy works? Climb out of that tit for tat and gottcha mentality Mama, and if you don't really live in our City and are just a friend of Doc's then go mind your own business, stay out of ours.
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