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Mamazoyd
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 01:15 am |
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Some of us are giving the new council room in ways you couldn't imagine raz, and unfortunately you'll never know. I guess my perception is that if people hadn't complained, Truitt would have come blasting in with a fulltime Council or Mayor assistant and never attempted to pass it the way it was supposed to be. Thank God for the people. IMO when I look back at your postings and your approval rating of Truitt, it lead people to believe that he'd come in with perfection. Let's face it: your boys are not as perfect as you tried to lead on. They've got a lot to learn.
Hey, don't I get credit for saying Kudos to John Williams?
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 12:57 am |
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Goldrush: You have the roles right, but you have not recognized the rules. Start with state law governing city's having a council-manager form of government. Next go to Surprise's municipal code for additional context. Then, at the local level, we have ordinances and resolutions stipulating specific regulations. Last,council conduct during meetings is - at least in theory-controlled by Robert's Rules of Order. None of these regulations are onerous and certainly the average adult that desires to follow the regulations should have no problem complying. Individuals may circumvent the rules to suit their own ends. Personally, I've had enough of that type behavior.
I hope this new council has been not only briefied on their legal roles, but their relationship with the city manager.
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razenkn
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 12:43 am |
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Mamazoyd wrote: Oh whoa there raz. rvucanovich and Reactor both make great points. You were absolutely relentless with every single little point made or not made by previous council and you NEVER failed to come on here and berate. This current mayor promised a New Day and thus far I have to say I've read "same-o, same-o" as with former Mayor Shafer. Do not attempt to belittle these posters for their remarks. Remember, you and the new council were promised new CAVE people to take your places. I will add here, however, I was impressed by Craig's comment about Mr. Williams NOT being a Truitt mimic -- Good for him!
Go back through my posts Mama, you will see I only posted in direct response to what had already transpired, do you really want me to list them all out again, because I can. 
What I am seeing on here is a lot of assumption, surmising and predictions that may or may not happen and it's wrong, and it's bad for our City.
Yes, I came down hard on Doc Sullivan because he proved to the majority of his constituents he couldn't be trusted and did not make good decisions "allowed his campaign manager to go to jail????" do you people just overlook this stuff?
I don't think anyone has done anything seriously aggregious yet on the new council seeing how they have only conducted two meetings. Don't you think that it is in the best interest of the City, supposedly that is what you want right? to allow this new council to get their bearings and give them some time to move through the process? Isn't that the fair thing to do?
This isn't an election any longer, this is what we have. Time to put those hard feelings away. We don't have another election for four more years, so perhaps it would be in everyone's best interest to give these guys a chance. I don't think paybacks have any place in this, and shame on your for going in that direction.
Very small of you Mama and the rest of Doc's friends. He's out of there, gone, caput, nada. If he is running around telling people he is going to do a recall and come back and run the show, that is a farce. He for some reason doesn't seem to understand as Mr Vukanovich isn't getting the message, they weren't high on the list of Surprise voters. They were voted out, voted down, and just not relevant now by the majority of voters in Surprise, what part of that aren't they getting?
We have a great group of community leaders in place that want nothing more than to move the City forward. They need to put critical management personnel in place to achieve the goals and vision they campaigned on. Give them the opportunity to be successful, don't try to destroy their efforts before given a chance to succeed. I truly don't understand that type of thinking, it is very petty and very small townish.
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goldrush
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 10:39 pm |
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City Council = Board of Directors
Mayor = Chairman of the Board and CEO
City Manager = COO
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Reactor
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 08:31 pm |
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I am absolutely in favor that our elected officials manage the city. We do have rules our officials are mandated to follow as the management role is executed.I will not yield on either of those points. MANAGE BUT FOLLOW THE PERSCRIBED RULES. If any poster has a better management principle, let's see it posted for all to observe.
Waiting.
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Mamazoyd
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 08:12 pm |
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Oh whoa there raz. rvucanovich and Reactor both make great points. You were absolutely relentless with every single little point made or not made by previous council and you NEVER failed to come on here and berate. This current mayor promised a New Day and thus far I have to say I've read "same-o, same-o" as with former Mayor Shafer. Do not attempt to belittle these posters for their remarks. Remember, you and the new council were promised new CAVE people to take your places. I will add here, however, I was impressed by Craig's comment about Mr. Williams NOT being a Truitt mimic -- Good for him!
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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What I'm hearing on this blog is that somehow the public has determined they are the elected officials and are running the city. Is it just me or do they have that backwards? Didn't WE ELECT the officials to run the City? Past councilmembers need to back off, they didn't have that issue when they were elected. Outgoing councilmembers Allen, Smith and Villaneuva was never heard from when they left the council. They showed proper decorum and allowed the new council to make their own way as it should be.
Bob, nobody has elected you to micromanage the city, it's not your job and it takes valuable time away from the City staff. Your tendency to micromanage was one of the reasons you were recalled successfully - remember the "Wrecking Crew" title you earned? Now you are on here constantly trying to promote your website by trying to stay relevant in the decision making processes, you are not a part of that anymore.
Unless there are some huge self promoting items as we have had in the past, I think it is in our best interest to stand back a little and let some processes make their way before jumping to conclusions and making unfounded innuendo. If we continue to beat the drum for every single decision, the Community is going to stop listening. I say save the nitpicking for the major items that may or may not come up. Give it a rest guys. The election is over, let's make some attempt at supporting our new council by giving them a chance.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 06:53 pm |
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BOB, You make agreat point. The information should have been in the packet AND available to the public with reasonable lead time for members to pose questions and/or make comments at the council meeting. Item #26, as it appeared on the agenda provided insufficient information for educated public evaluation or input. This action was reminiscent of what we have witnessed for the past few years.
We can only trust recurrence does NOT take place!
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 02:37 pm |
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At the council meeting of Jan. 3rd
Council Member Johnson made a motion to form a 3 member committee consisting of Mayor Truitt and Council Members Johnson and Villanueva to bring back suggestions and a recommendation to the January 10, 2008 Council Meeting for the City Manager Replacement Process. Seconded by Council Member Longabaugh. 7 yes votes. Motion carried.
Council Meeting Jan. 10th
Item #26
Ms. Miryam Gutier presented the plan for the options for the City Manager recruitment process to the City Council, the public did not have this information until after the meeting.
Where is the transparency and accountability we were promised?
Surprise, AZ
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 03:50 am |
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The City Manager hiring process adopted by the City Council, Jan.10, 2008.
Item 26 they chose option B on page 2.
Surprise, AZ News
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