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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 05:34 pm |
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| My point was, that those that said the newspapers were just out to get the Mayor and council and reporting inaccuracies, are now calling those same papers the gospel, because the negativity is about a person that they did not support. If the papers are wrong, then they should be wrong for both sides.
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cindisue_g wrote: I find it really funny, that when the last sitting council and Mayor were in office and some of us said that their unprofessionalism, always infighting actions, behind closed door meetings, misuse of city credit cards, etc. hurt the city, some of you came back and said no, no what they do does not hurt the city. And when there was negative press in the papers, it was because the papers were out to get city council and Mayor. And now that the shoe is on the other foot, what the Mayor does hurts the city.
Exactly Cindisue, its all equal opportunity here. Now we know what happened in the past and we voted for someone (well I didn't) who was supposed to improve our city and after 6 months we did get a few interesting things that have been outweighed by misjudgment in other areas.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 03:57 pm |
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| I find it really funny, that when the last sitting council and Mayor were in office and some of us said that their unprofessionalism, always infighting actions, behind closed door meetings, misuse of city credit cards, etc. hurt the city, some of you came back and said no, no what they do does not hurt the city. And when there was negative press in the papers, it was because the papers were out to get city council and Mayor. And now that the shoe is on the other foot, what the Mayor does hurts the city.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 03:44 pm |
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Mamazoyd wrote: Hey there LLL -- greetings! Eh, do you really think people will sit still and wait for the term to be over for the mayor? Me thinks not! (at least that's the scuttlebutt) I guess that will remain to be seen as to who get's the infamous recall action going first UNLESS THERE'S A HUGE, HUGE CHANGE TO THE BETTER.
Hi Mama, well the word recall did go thru my head. I didn't want to say it though since we know the mayor was a huge supporter of recalling all those he did not like I didn't want to stoop to his level. I even sat back and watched after being blasted to give the man a chance and I did. Well sorry but his actions now deserve the attention its getting and more. Does it hurt Surprise yes it does!!! Does the actions of the mayor hurt Surprise??? Even more. I would rather be known as a person who micromanages the mayor or questions him constantly then be known as the sheep who laid down why he ruled our town instead of lead the town.
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Shoot, I wish I could hide in a cave for a month, sign me up!!! 
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Reactr wrote in part:
BY YOUR UNWILLINGNESS TO EMERGE INTO THE LIGHT (TRUTH) , YOU SHOULD BE BANISHED INTO A CAVE FOR ONE WEEK.
You're being far too light -- go for a month minimum! Heck, I'd stand guard and/or hold the door shut!
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Raz, THE TRUTH IS RAG PEOPLE WROTE THE ARTICLE WITHOUT ANY HELP. THEN YOU ACCUSED SOMEONE ELSE OF WRITING IT. THEN YOU SAID YOU WOULD APOLIGIZE IF YOU BLAMED THE WRONG PEOPLE.
IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT YET NOTICED YOU DO NOT GET TO DICTATE HOW MUCH TIME SPENT ON THIS , OR ANY OTHER SUBJECT.
BY YOUR UNWILLINGNESS TO EMERGE INTO THE LIGHT (TRUTH) , YOU SHOULD BE BANISHED INTO A CAVE FOR ONE WEEK.
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razenkn wrote: A good example of that inflated self importance is your statement of "going through employees email to see if they are blogging". You are a scary dude (or dudette). Don't know what your schema is here, but the City does not need people like you constantly interfering, that is why we pay good money for professionals to run our City.
It's called "Public Information" and there will be a request for it in the near future.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 04:45 am |
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Hey there LLL -- greetings! Eh, do you really think people will sit still and wait for the term to be over for the mayor? Me thinks not! (at least that's the scuttlebutt) I guess that will remain to be seen as to who get's the infamous recall action going first UNLESS THERE'S A HUGE, HUGE CHANGE TO THE BETTER.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 04:23 am |
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So there we have it folks!!!! Nothing to see here move along, move along!!! We saw this coming not even 30 days into the mayors term. I do not have issue with the council I too think they are doing a fine job. The mayor on the other hand has not lived up to his campaign promises and the only transparency we are seeing is how the mayor is and will be no better for Surprise than the council before him and the one before that. I enjoyed the blog he started as he seemed to be aware of what we are saying here and improved it a bit more, now its just an appeasement to look like he is keeping us informed when the real topics of interest are quietly done behind closed doors. While he was not hired he was elected and that means he does answer to the voters and he should. But we know how that goes.... woohoo whens this term over??? Not soon enough and maybe we can try again...
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Oh I can stand the truth, but I haven't heard it yet. But let's move on....it was just one insignificant blogster article by someone who felt slighted because they didn't get thrust into the limelight as much as they wanted, needing to relevant.
We have wasted enough time on a silly matter not worthy of continued discussion. Whoever wrote it, and we all know who that probably was, just had their nose put out of joint because they thought they were running things and then they found out they weren't. How many times does this need to be said? That is why we hire and ELECT professional folks to make the tough decisions and I have full confidence they will do just that.
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| Wrong Raz; The article was written by RAG staff. You can't stand the truth. Your allegation some else wrote the article was FALSE. You promised to be nice and apoligize. That is why i brought the subject back up. Are you going to be true to your word? Well of course not. That would cause you to implode once your imperfection was revealed.
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You are wrong again rectr, actually I think it is you who wrote that all self important blog article. Your defense of it is very telling and that is why you continue to bring it up. It sounds just like you. Not that many out there have the same personal interest in every day personnel issues as you and that blog article fairly well exposed that.
A good example of that inflated self importance is your statement of "going through employees email to see if they are blogging". You are a scary dude (or dudette). Don't know what your schema is here, but the City does not need people like you constantly interfering, that is why we pay good money for professionals to run our City.
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Raz: Stop trying to run and hide.You surely know by now the RAG editorial staff wrote the opinion about the Surprise council. Now be an upfront person and apoligize to all for the blame you placed on innocent bloggers. I don't believe you ever intended too.That would be too much for someone whom considers themselves to be omniscient.
All your admirers will be waiting for your confession .
You have questioned my role in this matter. Lets play your child's game. I'll tell you one reason for each time you answer a question.
Q1: Which Surprise office do you work in?
Q2: Do think it would be revealing if e-mail records from selected city computers were conscripted to see if they being used for personal business( such as a blog)?
Q3: You have a very deep-rooted interest in this subject. You are vested in some manner. All the discussion about a simple employmment matter (your terms). This leads to an opinion you have a vested interest. What is your assumed benefit?
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That Raz is just kinda touchy......must work for the city. The Council is what?
most can't spell professional let alone act in such a manner.
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Raz: my role is my business. None of yours. I try to limit my role, while you lecture other posters, demean their opinions and expand your role to matters of a national scale. It must give you a great surge to assault all us lesser people whenever we provide an opinion on some issue.
Keep raving. Everyone needs a good laugh.
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Ignorance or bad advice is just your take on it reactr, what makes you the expert anyway? The only ignorance that is going on here is someone believing they are running the City when they aren't.
The Council are professionals who have a vision and are quite capable of making decisions on their own. That is why we voted them in. We elected them, not quite sure what your role is here.
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The RAG editorial stressed ignorance or arrogance for lack of transparency by Surprise council. The editorial did hint at the possibility of acting on bad advice. I believe acting on bad advice has resulted in several questionable decisions. I do not believe any council action to date has been motivated by an intent for secrecy. It seems to me that Surprise residents have become accustomed to a culture of council corruption and have grown to expect the same of this council. Based on his public willingness to freely advise council, City Attorney Bailey would not provide faulty counsel. It is likely some bad advice is either coming from others within, or outside , the organization.
The RAG is absolutely correct to point out possible incorrect actions by council. Most of the RAG reports provide generous comments about city progress. Tony and the editorial writers are fair-minded in their pursuit of accurate reporting.
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Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2008 04:26 am |
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I guess I should add your name to that Haystack/Barney....
It is sometimes better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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It's Back. Well, Dick Chenny and Barrack are related. Do you suppose?
Check it out. http://www.RecallTruitt.com
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| Raz: Iam providing a mirror for you. Please look into it to see yourself as others see you.
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Rectr, just a piece of advice......It is sometimes better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. 
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Raz: you are constantly blasting posters for failing to get their facts straight. You are now guilty by disclaiming the editorial by the RAG.
For violating your first commandment, your punishment is: For a period of one week you are to permit all posters freedom of expression without of your censorship and caustic evaluations.
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Okay, let's settle this once and for all. How about we ask Tony Lombardo to come on here and explain where this "article" came from. How's that for fairness? If he tells us it is straight from his Opinion Editorial board, I will apologize to one and all.
Dear Mr Lombardo, do you happen to know where the hit piece from the WestValleyEditorials Blog regarding Mayor Truitt and Council of Surprise originated from exactly? Is it one of your editors or is it from a guest blogger? Or a blog member? Please advise. Thanks.
Sincerely yours,
Razenkn
POSTER'S NOTE: Ok, we will see what he says. If we don't get an answer from him, perhaps then we will try to contact someone else.
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Dear Ole Raz: You just can not face reality and facts. The critical editorial was just that an editorial. If it were a blog it would have required some kind of name and if it were a guest editorial it would have had a signature.
I have noticed that when you are faced with facts you either ignore them or distort them. You either have had a great career in political dirt or have the opportunity to jump into the presidential election and offer your self to the scum bags who distort reality to prove what ever position they think is right.
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Ouch!!!!! What IT, can't hear you??? Could you shout a little louder to make your nonpoint? Settle down, you are going to hurt yourself.
Look, I will admit I did my fair share of criticizng the old council but never accused them of anything that wasn't known fact and proven. There were many, many of us out here that absolutely did not want them back into office as the election confirmed.
You on the other hand just make up crap and state it on here as fact. My comments were always based on the self-serving decisions they made for themselves, and not for the City - and there were many. Yes, I did take huge issue with having a friend and committee chair thrown into the pokey for writing a bad check from campaign funds on a councilmembers behalf, or misusing a City credit card for personal use, or trying to get a local business man in trouble with his corp office, can't apologize for that though. That was bad stuff.
I don't believe this council is getting anything put into their pockets because they tried to bring on a new position that many other cities have in place or made a decision we elected them to do by choosing a CM. What a ridiculous notion. They have nothing to hide and they haven't hidden anything. Of course they have Executive sessions, that is what they are for, personnel issues. It is you people who don't know very much about how City business is conducted. These guys are everywhere, if you want to know something just ask them, they are practically hanging out with us.
The bottom line here is Mayor Truitt is a gift to Surprise. We are tremendously lucky to have him as our leader but you people wanted your friends in office, didn't happen, so you swore to do what you could to go after these guys and put them in a negative light and you have continued to try to do so. Who respects that kind of childish behavior....nobody. They aren't going to win you over no matter what they do.
Of course you should disagree with them, that is what you are supposed to do if it's what you believe. How about doing it in a polite and respectable manner though? But to continue the sinister innuendos and insinuations of wrong doing with absolutely nothing to back it up with is evil and wrong and you know it.
And just for the record IT, it isn't me who is telling you to "stuff a sock in your pie hole" and "you are no longer welcome on here"....I believe that came straight from your "pie hole". That's not very nice....are you trying to hurt my feelings???
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Independent Thinker wrote:
So stick a sock in your pie hole Raz, you have overstayed your welcome here, many have told you so, you just don't seem to get it.
I'll second that motion!
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Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2008 12:33 am |
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razenkn wrote:
You posted it yourself as...
WestValleyEditorials Blog
Not an AZ Republic Editorial OPINION.....
I could go on there and write my opinion as I have on this blog site and they wouldn't put my name on it either, but they might print it. Maybe I will do that.
And I have to heartily disagree with your "stupid" remark, your constant tearing down and negative rhetoric towards this council is very stupid behavior. It not only sounds stupid, it makes us all look stupid when you continue to attack our city leaders and make false personal attacks by trying to assassinate their character. We voted them in, and then you and yours come out the day after and start telling us how wrong we all were to do so. How bright is that? Not very.
You do it time after time and you should be ashamed. You have absolutely nothing to back your allegations with and all it does is make you sound angry and sour. Move on.
I copied and pasted it as it was in the newspaper...there is now a second editorial posted by a woman from Surprise...maybe you would like to look that one up as well...I believe her name is Zeitz, a retired attorney.
I find it hysterical that time after time you continue to admonish us for criticizing this mayor and council...as I recall you did a pretty good job of that yourself with the last mayor and council that was office...what gave you the right to tear them down or express your opinion? Just who are you anyway that you feel you are better than the rest of us and have more right to express your opinion or tell us how we should be thinking? WE are NOT sheep, we can think for ourselves, thank you very much. You are the one who looks stupid here, continually posting your biased opinion of truitt and his band of merry men.
Whether you like it or not, I will come on here any d**n time I please and express my opinion about the government in this city. They spend MY tax dollars and if I don't like how they are spending them, I will let them know.
So stick a sock in your pie hole Raz, you have overstayed your welcome here, many have told you so, you just don't seem to get it.
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You posted it yourself as...
WestValleyEditorials Blog
Not an AZ Republic Editorial OPINION.....
I could go on there and write my opinion as I have on this blog site and they wouldn't put my name on it either, but they might print it. Maybe I will do that.
And I have to heartily disagree with your "stupid" remark, your constant tearing down and negative rhetoric towards this council is very stupid behavior. It not only sounds stupid, it makes us all look stupid when you continue to attack our city leaders and make false personal attacks by trying to assassinate their character. We voted them in, and then you and yours come out the day after and start telling us how wrong we all were to do so. How bright is that? Not very.
You do it time after time and you should be ashamed. You have absolutely nothing to back your allegations with and all it does is make you sound angry and sour. Move on.
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This article is copied and pasted from today's online edition of the Arizona Republic...not written by a blogger as you suggest. You can look it up for yourself. The editorial staff routinely writes articles without signing their name, after all they are the editorial board...
I believe the facts speak for themselves and the Republic as well as the citizen's of Surprise are starting to see what a dismal choice they made for mayor.
He has been all talk and no action as the old saying goes. We are tired of him giving his friends high paying jobs, and doing every minute of city business behind closed doors.
You are apparently related to him in some way, maybe you are one of his family members...or maybe you are one of those friends he hired to work for the city for big bucks...Who knows maybe you are the man yourself...you sure sing his praises constantly...makes one wonder what kind of kool-aid you are drinking.
We are not as dumb as you think.
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This wasn't written by the Editorial staff of AZ Republic, are you kidding me? This was written by a guest writer. It is the same exact rhetoric as we heard in last week's article from those wannabee micromanagers in our fair City who believe they should have the last say on everything the Mayor and Council does. They don't. But they want to be relevant so they throw their hands up in the air and scream "transparency" everytime the council does something with personnel issues they don't agree with.
There are seven council members and my guess probably the HR director and probably some of the Asst mgrs involved in this hiring process, why on earth would they need to include more people in it? If you've ever sat on a committee of any size, trying to get consensus with 10 people isn't easy, let alone adding the entire public.
It is this council's responsibility to appoint a CM, they are the ones who have to work closely with the CM, they are the ones who will ultimately have to take responsibility for his performance, so why would we not trust the Council to make the decision?
How many more people did they need to have involved not to be transparent, what would they be hiding anyway?? It was posted, everyone knew it was taking place, what else should they have done? What would have changed in the process by bringing in more people? Nothing other than to drag it out and make us look like we don't trust the Council. Which is just not true.
If this person who wrote the "blog" article was so right in the assertion of wrong doing, why didn't they have the courage to assign their name to the hit piece?
I see it as nothing more than another shameful anonymous hit and run by somebody who wasn't as important as they thought.
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Raz you just don't get it!! - It was an editorial written by the editorial staff of the Republic - NOT A BLOG!!!! This is the same staff that endorsed Truitt during the election.
The facts speak for them selves. The open Govt Truitt spoke about during the campaign was just plain political pap. In time all but you will realize that Surprise needs better that what we have for Mayor.
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Well Barn et all, it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to figure out who wrote the "blog" so-called article so what's new to comment about? As you can guess, most clear thinking residents completely disagree and find it to be just plain silliness. This council is doing a fine job, can't make news where there is none. Sorry for your diappointment though, I know you were really hoping to see them fail, but that's not happening. People like them. What can you say?
Oh and by the way, Kennyw should put a disclaimer on his post.....he was a huge supporter of Mr Elkins and was quite peturbed he didn't win. So, one can take his comments with a double dose of sour grapes.
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While this blog as yet has not had any comment on the AZ Rag's editorial there has been much discussion in my community (Not SC Grand). People are realizing what a poor choice has been made for Mayor of Surprise.
The issues he stated during the campaign have been total lies. He once claimed he was a fiscal conservative and then his spending spree on an un needed assistant which the Council has seen fit to cut back.
His pledge of open government is another total lie as brought out by the Republic -this is the same paper that endorsed him.
The issue is not the new Council but what Surprise now has a Mayor.
The hope for Surprise rests with the Council not the Mayor. So far Alton & Williams are showing some leadership and opposing Truitt on critical issues.
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| Apparently the "CAVE" people have moved on. Interesting how they came out in force before. But now?
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Interesting that no one here has commented on this editorial from the AZ rag.
Maybe the citizens of Surprise aren't that interested in being involved with the city government like the article states.
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It's about time someone noticed what is going on at city hall!
WestValleyEditorials Blog
New council, same old disregard for public
Ignorance or arrogance?
That's the perplexing question that concerned residents of Surprise must be pondering after the City Council made its preferred choice known for its next city manager behind closed doors during a special Saturday executive session.
As the meeting evolved, there was no opportunity for residents to weigh in on the five candidates who were flown in for interviews.
There was no list of finalists, as Mayor Lyn Truitt had promised there would be.
And there was no release of applicant names until The Arizona Republic filed a public-records request on Monday — two days after the council instructed its city attorney to negotiate a contract with Randy Oliver, a former city manager from Peoria, Ill., to be the top Surprise administrator.
Ignorance or arrogance?
If it's ignorance of the appropriate public process to allay suspicions that this City Council is merely a reincarnation of the last council noted for its heavy-handedness, that is unacceptable.
If it's arrogance that transparency in the making of important decisions need only be invoked on the whim of the politicians, that is unacceptable.
Remember, this City Council was swept into office on a reform platform of conducting business in the open, restoring the city's tarnished credibility and embarking on a course of stability and accountability.
Talk is cheap.
Truitt and his crew are behaving as if the voters never spoke last year.
They seem to be deaf to their campaign rhetoric of bringing to Surprise a new dawn of openness and transparency.
They seem to be blind to the way their actions are perceived by an engaged public that wants to participate in the governance of their city.
For starters, there was absolutely no reason to withhold the names of the city manager applicants flown in at taxpayer expense to compete for the job. If they had a problem with the publication of their names and what it might do to their standing at home, they should not have applied.
If the council received advice to withhold the names, it was bum advice.
The mayor and some council members previously had indicated that the top finalists would be made available for the public to ask questions.
But by settling on one preferred choice, that option became moot.
Surprise spokesman Ken Lynch says the public can talk with Oliver and provide input to the council. But for all intents and purposes, offering input on an individual who virtually has been named city manager is a far cry from assessing the top tier of finalists.
“I think, once again, what we're looking at is a lack of transparency,” says activist Ken Wright.
He's right.
Since the City Council was seated in January, its performance has not matched its campaign rhetoric. Images of favoritism by Truitt surfaced immediately when Myriam Gutier, who helped on his campaign, was hired as a consultant at almost $9,000 per month.
And the hiring of Prisila Ferreira as interim city manager turned heads when the city refused to disclose how she was selected from a list of four bona-fide candidates. The candidates weren't discussed in public, leaving the impression that the choice was made in secret.
Sound familiar?
You bet it does.
The promises of accountability and transparency seem to have fallen through the cracks at City Hall.
Ignorance or arrogance?
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Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 12:07 am |
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Okay spin, you are just too smart for me. Go ahead and out me and let everyone know who I am -- you have my permission. I want you to have fun so maybe you are wrong and you can be happy again! See, I'm getting with that "be nice" thing....
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 11:56 pm |
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razenkn wrote: Now whomever on here said he hasn't been a City Manager since 2003 might want to post an "Oops....guess I was wrong and too quick to judge -- shame on me and I will try to do better next time." ....
Gee whiz, you got me there. Guess my speed reading skills aren't quite up to par anymore. Shucks.
You know something, since I found out your identity this just isn't fun for me anymore.
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 11:37 pm |
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| So it looks like this guy is well liked and did a pretty good job. He apparently was a finalist in other cities he applied for and he backed out of the race in the city of Durham for another job. His departure from Peoria seemed a little clouded as to when he actually resigned and if it was under pressure for non-renewal of his contract. There seem to be some eyebrows raised but his record seems pretty solid.
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 09:58 pm |
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Okay, let's try this one more time.
"After interviewing five candidates, council members emerged from an executive session Saturday with one individual in mind - Randy Oliver, an administrator with 20-plus years of experience who most recently served as the city manager of Peoria, Ill.
Mayor Lyn Truitt said after interviewing the candidates that Oliver was the "clear choice."
Oliver, 57, served in Peoria, Ill. from 2003 until he left in February (08), and has since been working as a financial consultant.
From 1999 to 2003, he was city manager of Greenville, S.C., and from 1996 to 1999 he helped merge Augusta, Ga., and surrounding Richmond County into a consolidated government."
Now whomever on here said he hasn't been a City Manager since 2003 might want to post an "Oops....guess I was wrong and too quick to judge -- shame on me and I will try to do better next time." ....
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razenkn wrote:
Foxtrot/spin/stacy....look. It's not all that complicated. Just read his credentials again, I know it's hard, but take a second look and you will see the article not so clearly states he has been the CM of Peoria, Illinois most recently.....since 2003 until this year. Wow, takes a lot of investigation but that is what it is.
You might want to check out your facts before you come on here and start your "let's try to destroy this council and this new CM" mantra. You people do not have what is best for Surprise in mind at all. Please stop already. We need our great City to move forward in a positive manner and we are at that threshhold. What we don't need is anymore of this type of misinformation and negative diatribe. We are sick of that. Really sick of that. Okay?? 
No, you are sick of it.
And you know what, I don't care. 
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 03:31 am |
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Foxtrot/spin/stacy....look. It's not all that complicated. Just read his credentials again, I know it's hard, but take a second look and you will see the article not so clearly states he has been the CM of Peoria, Illinois most recently.....since 2003 until this year. Wow, takes a lot of investigation but that is what it is.
You might want to check out your facts before you come on here and start your "let's try to destroy this council and this new CM" mantra. You people do not have what is best for Surprise in mind at all. Please stop already. We need our great City to move forward in a positive manner and we are at that threshhold. What we don't need is anymore of this type of misinformation and negative diatribe. We are sick of that. Really sick of that. Okay??
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Reactr wrote: Mr. Oliver seems to be highly qualified to become city manager. The real question is whether he can keep a couple of council members out of daily operations? That problem destroyed a good man . It remains to be seen if there will be a recurrence.
I believe the appropriate question to ask is if he can keep the mayor out of his day to day operations...the king wants to rule the city with no interference.
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 02:08 am |
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| Mr. Oliver seems to be highly qualified to become city manager. The real question is whether he can keep a couple of council members out of daily operations? That problem destroyed a good man . It remains to be seen if there will be a recurrence.
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 01:05 am |
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http://www.azcentral.com/community/surprise/articles/2008/06/03/20080603gl-nwvmanager0604cover.html
Hey Razmataz, get your facts straight...the artivle says he has NOT been a city manager since February...he is working as a financial consultant. Kinda makes one wonder why his contract with Peoria Illinois wasn't renewed...
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 12:47 am |
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RV, you need to get on the Communications office email list. No wonder you don't ever know what's going on. He has a laundry list of qualifications and degrees. Pay attention Spin, check the bold line....
Surprise Council authorizes negotiations for City Manager SURPRISE, AZ ( June 2, 2008 ) The Surprise City Council has unanimously voted to authorize contract negotiations with Charles R. Oliver for the position of City Manager.
Meeting Saturday, May 31, the council interviewed several prospects for the position in executive session. Convening in a public meeting Saturday afternoon, council authorized the City Attorney to enter into negotiations with Oliver.
If negotiations are successfully concluded, the council will vote on a proposed employment contract at an upcoming meeting.
Oliver has most recently served as the City Manager of Peoria, Illinois, where he oversaw a 30% increase in the city's general fund, an improvement in Peoria's financial rating and the expansion of the University of Illinois Medical School at Peoria.
From 1999 to 2003 he served as City Manager of Greenville, South Carolina, where he negotiated the largest annexation in Greenville's history.
From 1996 to 1999 he was Chief Executive Officer responsible for consolidating the City of Augusta, Georgia and Richmond County into the Augusta-Richmond County Consolidated Government.
Oliver holds a Masters Degree from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a Master of Business Administration. He is a registered Professional Engineer and a Certified Public Accountant.
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 12:09 am |
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rvukanovich wrote: The city of Surprise might have found a City Manager from Illinois.
Yes, they did.. Last edited on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 07:20 am by spincycle
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 05:09 am |
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| The city of Surprise might have found a City Manager from Illinois.
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Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 12:51 am |
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| Does anyone know what happened at the special council meeting this morning?
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