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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 06:47 am |
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And they will do a fine job with or without our help.....
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 05:32 am |
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| Saturday 31, 2008, Mayor Lyn Truitt and the Council are to have an interview with five applicants for the position of City Manager, I understand they will try to narrow them down to two or three.
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And as usual you seem to be always by my side. Are you serious or are you just teasing us?  Are you really going away??? To a secret place?? If it's secret, then who is going to read your GET A LIFE mantra?? Just kidding Spin, I wish you well.
Just so you don't worry about me too much, I'm taking your advice and heading out to the golf course pretty soon to enjoy that beautiful sunshine.
Who is we?
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The only person I've said "Get a Life" to is you. Spin it any way you want.
We are not going away... We'll just be on another site, that you don't know about.
Enjoy the sunshiny day in front of your computer monitor. The fun continues...
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 06:04 pm |
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Spin, you are out of control. You should take a step back and re-read what you just posted and then re-read mine. I asked questions, no personal attacks. You post most times when I do and always personally attack so if I'm all what you say, then what does that make you? The real problem here is when anyone on here disagrees with you or yours...then we NEED TO GET A LIFE according to you. (How many times are you going to say that anyway?) Well, if reading posts on a blog sent me over the edge as it seems to you and a couple of others on here I would find a new hobby for sure and maybe it is you who should get a life.
I'm not anyone's protector, I just ask questions and make observations. I think there are some on here who go overboard with their misguided involvement and statements and in the process drag our City through the muck and I happen to strongly object to that type of behavior. Nothing more complicated than that. I'm also a political junkie, so sue me.
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Well, guess what rectr, I doubt they need you either. Who is we??? What is your role in all of this anyway, you seem to be overly involved in this simple employment matter. It sounds as though you have some kind of a weird impetus here. Just how do you know so much about what everyone does there? You say "the incumbents are doing all the duties"...how do you know that? How do you know what the council needs are??
This almost sounds personal for you and that is a little strange to say the least, can you explain that? Are you one of the employees or are you just speaking for them?
You admonish others for this same, above listed, trash. Don't worry about our involvement and GET A LIFE! The city isn't suffering because some of us are keeping them accountable.
What is YOUR role here, great protector? Your continual monitoring of this board is alarming. Why do YOU feel it's so important to argue with people? I read the other threads and all you do is argue, argue, argue. It's not even thought provoking, it's just plain stupid. It's all about the almighty "Cane Raiser"
Are you all alone and bedridden or do you just not have anything else to do? I think we should all turn our backs and you can have this site to yourself. Enjoy another day of computer monitoring. I hope you're at least getting a bit of that campaign $$$.
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 04:46 pm |
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Whoa rectr, perhaps it is you who should get over yourself. I asked some simple questions and you attack me personally? Did I hit a nerve? Sensitivity like you just exhibited? I asked what your chit in this whole non issue is because it apparently is very important to you and you appear to be overly involved in a rather simple employment matter concerning the City. You seem angry about it whenever you post and I just asked in a very "sensitive" manner what your involvement could possibly be that makes it so over the top important to you. Now, obviously you don't have to answer, I was just curious. No bullying.
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Raz: Get over yourself. You exist to bully other posters. As such, you have lost touch with reality. You claim to be receptive to all points of view, yet your actions illustrate an absolutely closed mind.
News flash for you: Take some training in problem analysis and critical thinking. Then work on sensitivity when dealing with other people.
My motives in this matter are none of your business.
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Reactr wrote: Well Raz. you evaded the point. The incumbents ARE doing all the duties on the "Chief's" proposed job. That is why I asked you to look at the spec sheets. You seem to proud and arrogant to get down here with the rest of us folks. Makes no difference. We don't need you anyway.
Well, guess what rectr, I doubt they need you either. Who is we??? What is your role in all of this anyway, you seem to be overly involved in this simple employment matter. It sounds as though you have some kind of a weird impetus here. Just how do you know so much about what everyone does there? You say "the incumbents are doing all the duties"...how do you know that? How do you know what the council needs are??
This almost sounds personal for you and that is a little strange to say the least, can you explain that? Are you one of the employees or are you just speaking for them?
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A.R.S. 9-271
B3 says, The following officers appointed by the Mayor and City Council
I asked the State, must the Mayor and Council appoint these officers or can they, under common council law because we do not have a Charter, delegate this authority to the City Manager by ordinance (which the city did). Article III. Officers and Employees Division I. Generally.......... Sec. 2-147.
Received an answer from the State that the Mayor and Council had to appoint these officers and could not delegate the appointments to the City Manager.
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 11:26 pm |
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| Well Raz. you evaded the point. The incumbents ARE doing all the duties on the "Chief's" proposed job. That is why I asked you to look at the spec sheets. You seem to proud and arrogant to get down here with the rest of us folks. Makes no difference. We don't need you anyway.
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 10:46 pm |
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We are speaking of two different things Reactr. You are talking about Council voting THEMSELVES lucrative personal benefits using taxpayers money to line their pockets. That is bad under any circumstance. So, the fact the public got involved with those issues was a good thing. But that's not what is happening here. There is no self interest in establishing a new position to work with council, that is something the council felt could be beneficial in progressing their campaign promises and agenda -- for the City.
I am speaking about allowing established City staff to do their jobs without constant innuendo and accusatory tones of wrong doing. I'm not going to keep repeating this over and over, you know as well as I do it's wrong. Let the experts we are paying do their jobs. Just because YOU don't think they needed to have an Asst to the Council doesn't mean they shouldn't. It's just your opinion and you are entitled to that, doesn't make you the expert here however. We aren't paying you to make those decisions, we are paying the CM and the CA and the HR Director. Enough said on that worn out subject.
Apparently the positions you named are either too busy or not capable of filling this particular need or they would have been doing it already.
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Raz: Here's one for you. Go on the Surprise web site. Get the job description sheets for Intergovermental Relations Director, Executive Administrative Specialist (City Clerk), Assistant City Manager and Deputy City Manager. With your claimed skills, you should be able to readily ascertain all the job requirements in the Chief of Staff proposals : lobbying , budetary control, responding to complaints etc. are already being performed by properly classified employees.
City code already provides for necessary staff attendance at all advisory board and committee meetings.
You have proclaimed your willingness to look at both sides.
Yes, I know you are going to claim this a dead issue. I believe it to be a dormant matter.
Using your repeated "Let them handle things" principle, Surprise would be paying about $45,000 per year in flat rate auto allowance, Surprise council would have no ethics policy, council members could spend $20,000 on dog care etc. Every one of these remedial actions came about because of citizen intervention
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My only reply to those questions are no, no, and no. I don't care. That is why we pay these people. I can't stress that enough. You make it sound as though they are trying to pull some kind of shananigans and operating under the table somehow. Well, they aren't. Just because you would do it differently doesn't mean they are doing anything wrong. That is called undue micromanaging. These people are good folks who are working hard and trying to do the best job we hired them to do. So let them.
Of course I'm concerned how our City is operated. But I also have a lot of faith in those we put into office and those who are the professionals being paid to do what they are experts at, which is not you and not me. Do you really think you are more qualified to make these decisons than the City Attorney and CM? I don't think so Bob.
Here's one for you. How about spending the same amount of time you do in looking for some wrong doing and looking for some positives instead? There are a lot of them out there and it would fill up your space on your website.
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Razenkn, aren’t you concerned about how the City of Surprise Government operates?
Not getting a straight answer from the City of Surprise after numerous emails to who built the park nor where the $75,000 went in the original square mile, that we will maintain this 1 acre park that will only be used by a select few?
Aren’t you concerned that the City of Surprise says that we were given a 35-acre park in the Marley Park sub-division, when Marley Park say it was 25-acre’s?
Aren’t you concerned that the City of Surprise is already hiring personnel (big pay) for the take over of the maintenance of our water company from American Water without any discussion by the Council in an open meeting.
Aren’t you concerned that Staff is spending our money without input from Council in a open meeting forum, I am referring to staff saying they will be accepting and maintaining the roadways in a private commercial development (Crossroads).
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 07:05 pm |
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Vukanovich wrote...If pointing out the mistakes that the Council and Staff make is demoralizing, so be it. By bringing out our concerns, Council & Staff might take a second look at the issue.
At least allow them to make the mistakes, then point them out. There has been no mistake and yet you are digging for a possibility. That is called micromanaging.
Sorry Bob, I'm not trying to personally attack you on this but whether you mean for it to appear this way or not, you always have that accusatory tone in your "questions". The reason why the newspapers do not report this stuff is because there isn't anything to report. They don't make up the news, they report the news that has already taken place if it has any impact. If you are always on the watch for something that somebody in the City MIGHT do, you will probably always be able to find something. That is my point. Why are you always looking for something, trying to make news where there is none?
The answer to that is you just need something to write for your website, but with that comes a certain responsibility to actually report facts, not fabricated issues. We could all play "are they going to??? ...game, but at what cost?
It is destructive to the City because we get the reputation of being small minded small towner's who nitpick City employees and Council's decisions most times before any decisions are even made, especially when employment issues arise. That is what is demoralizing. 
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Apparently Razmataz does not know the difference between "private sector" jobs and "public service" jobs...the latter is paid for with my tax dollars, therefore like it or not, I have a say!
Could that photo be a clue as to who the poster is? Or is the poster paid by the man in the photo to monitor the blog and make his case?
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Where do you find following our Statutes is micromanaging staff? Who has accused staff of trying to pull anything over our eyes or the misuse of their authority?
If pointing out the mistakes that the Council and Staff make is demoralizing, so be it. By bringing out our concerns, Council & Staff might take a second look at the issue.
When I started Surprise, AZ News I said that we would write articles that the local newspapers would not touch, until they do we’ll keep reporting the information the way we are.
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Okay, I give up. Why the photo spin? It's a good one though, but why? What does Mayor Truitt have to do with this conversation and apparently you are on here as much as I am because you talk about it all the time and seem to follow my every word, so I don't know what to tell you.
It's fine to ask questions about things that have already taken place. No problem with that at all. My objection is these two in particular are always "looking" for something to get on these people as though they expect them to try to pull a fast one, why?? Didn't you read their exchange, it was about something that might or might not take place in the future but what they conveniently forget is we already have professionals in place to take care of such issues SHOULD THEY ARISE, and no I do not know who reactr is and nor do I care. I don't know who you are and nor do I care. Ok?
We will never get employees of quality caliber if this nitpicking and constant insinuation of wrong doing doesn't cease. It's demoralizing and keeps our city in an unnecessary turmoil, it's all fabricated nonsense. Save it for the real issues and the real problems. All this self-involvement in employment issues is destructive for our City. That is why I care Spin.
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 05:49 pm |
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More micromanaging fellas?? We pay a lot of money for staff to do this job, you guys should be out enjoying the nice weather. Believe it or not, but Staff really aren't trying to pull anything over our eyes, they are just simply trying to do their jobs if you would allow them to do so without constantly trying to find some error or some misuse of their authority. I don't think they need anyone, especially you two, looking over their shoulders on everything single thing they do. That has to be very demoralizing after awhile.
In other words, you aren't helping, you are only feeding your own egos. Go volunteer or something if you need to feel relevant, but let the professionals we hired do their jobs without constant interference. Your continued insinuations of wrong doing is getting tiresome.
Do you know who "Reactr" is? Didn't think so. When YOU ask questions it's ok, but when somebody YOU don't agree with asks questions it becomes World War III.
Why don't YOU go out and enjoy the nice weather. Seems as though you're on this site constantly monitoring what's going on. Why don't YOU go worry about something else for a change. Thank you and we now return to your regularly scheduled program.
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More micromanaging fellas?? We pay a lot of money for staff to do this job, you guys should be out enjoying the nice weather. Believe it or not, but Staff really aren't trying to pull anything over our eyes, they are just simply trying to do their jobs if you would allow them to do so without constantly trying to find some error or some misuse of their authority. I don't think they need anyone, especially you two, looking over their shoulders on everything single thing they do. That has to be very demoralizing after awhile.
In other words, you aren't helping, you are only feeding your own egos. Go volunteer or something if you need to feel relevant, but let the professionals we hired do their jobs without constant interference. Your continued insinuations of wrong doing is getting tiresome.
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 04:51 pm |
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| Bob: Please provide specific section of ARS you are referencing and the part of municipal code that is inconsistent.
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| When the City of Surprise hires a new City Manager will they abide by the Arizona Statutes in regards to his hiring department heads? or will they follow a city ordinance that appears to be in violation of the Statutes.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 10:52 pm |
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You'll probably find that the contract with CPS specified delivery of a certain number of qualified candidates.
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| The City of Surprise has received a lot of applicants for the City Managers position, because we paid CPS to fill the position it would nice to know how many of the applicants actually came from CPS and as reported before do they report to the Mayors assistant or to the Human Research Director?
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| The Surprise council deserves our full support as they seek the best candidate to become city manager. Yes, it will be what some may view as expensive. However, we have all seen the negative impact reduced revenue has created. The new manager will be confronted with the same-or growing- needs with fewer dollar resources. Same with the council. The council has illustrated a willingness to spend a lot of time on the job and operate in an open forum except on matters requiring executive sessions.
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| What they had was you could not apply before April 18, 2008.
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| Think there was a deadline to file an application package.
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| Apparently they have found a City Manager because the position is not listed on the current openings on the cities web site.
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There was some debate last night from Council members if they should tell prospective candidates the package deal that will be offered for the City Managers position.
The pay and benefits for our previous manager and now our Interim City Manager is well known, so it’s no secret that the City of Surprise for its size over pays staff in relation to other cities.
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Council Meeting this Thur. In item 15
Background:
The Mayor and Council have previously established a process and timeline for the selection of a new City Manager. Once the Mayor and Council have determinied the finalists for the position from among qualified applicants, they wish to receive input from the community by forming an ad hoc committee of community representatives to interview each finalist and provide them with feedback relative to each candidate. This process will run parallel with the interviews to be conducted by the Mayor and Council.
I haven’t been able to find out what the timeline is, would anyone here know?
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Since the City of Surprise does not have a charter, they work under the Arizona Statutes.
Basically they can do what ever they want, such as changing the procedure guidelines set by the previous Council between the working relationship with Council and the City Manager. The problem that they have is, if they take the power away from the City Manager that he or she now has, which under state statutes they should, the ICMA will not give us what they call a professional manager.
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Since we have a Mayor and City Council form of government, I assuming the issue is whether they're "strong". I wouldn't expect the Council to manage the city staff directly. They work through the City Manager and, only the City Manager, who serves at the pleasure of the Council. What am I missing?
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If it is so hard to determine how to hire a competent City Manager and Community Development Director, and because we have a new Mayor and Council which most of us support 100%, they should think about having a Strong City Mayor or Council form of government.
Without having the Strong City Mayor form of government neither the Mayor or Council can micro manage staff.
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Cindisue
You are absolutly right, this morning it's working the way it had but yesterday when you hit Open to the Public and City Employees you got no job openings. On my web site you can see what you got. They changed it Again thank you.
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| I guess I still don't understand. To look to see what jobs are available. Hit careers on the city website, then then hit open to Public and City employees and there are the jobs. It is pretty easy.
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| I guess I asked the wrong question, the web site is a source of information and if you can't find something who do you ask for help as I have been accused of bothering city staff, thought maybe someone could run me thru the process.
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| Bob, why are you asking the question (there has to be an underlining question or else you would not ask)? Your computer works well enough to be on this site, I don't understand why your computer does not allow you to look at what jobs are available at the City of Surprise. I had no problem looking at them. Last edited on Tue Apr 1st, 2008 03:01 pm by cindisue_g
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| Why? Are you looking for a job? I don't think your qualifications meet ANY of the jobs available. Mr. V...please find a hobbie...other than cranky old curmudgeon.
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Went on the City of Surprise web site, can anyone tell me what jobs are available?
Current Jobs
Open to the Public and City Employees
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I guess if the search for a new city manager isn't concluded at the end of the 6-month term of the acting city manager; extending her employment makes some sense.
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| The word is that they will keep the interim manager for at least 6 months or longer.
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| Saw that our Interim City Manager gave our City high marks on the communication skills of staff and Council.
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| What are your thoughts on the new Interim City Manager? Has her performance been evaluated? Last edited on Wed Mar 26th, 2008 02:08 am by
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Exactly my point RV, you of all people should know how difficult it is to be newly elected on council and the challenges you face. Why would you of all people try to make it even more difficult, don't you want to see them succeed? I do, it's in our best interest to help them succeed, not tear them down. I think that is why I expect better of you because you should know better, therefore you should do better.
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 04:44 am |
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I was called names as soon as I took office, as you have stated I was recalled, so I believe that I can conduct myself in any manner that I desire.
God Bless, only in America
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 03:25 am |
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Bobby V wrote...
This whole hiring process and exorbitant amount of the pay that is set by staff is ridicules.
Mr V, I respectfully submit that it is you who is "ridicules". You are no longer in the decision making process, you were recalled, and you lost the bid for Mayor, perhaps it is time that you butt out and let the elected officials do their job.
You may have wanted to do it your way, but these folks are doing it their way. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it just because it doesn't conform to how you would do it. If you really are a responsible and concerned past councilmember, then try to act like one. You have been on here nitpicking every single item this new council has done and you continue to find fault. "They don't email me back, they don't return my calls", blah, blah, blah. If you were so great, why aren't you still in office? Why try to undermine everything they do? Would you have appreciated that when you first came into office, I don't think so. Then show them the same respect you would have appreciated.
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 02:20 am |
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It's unbelievable that our Mayor and City Council can't take the bull by the horns and hire a Community Development Director and City Manager.
This whole hiring process and exorbitant amount of the pay that is set by staff is ridicules.
Mayor Lyn Truitt by Arizona Statutes is the CEO of the City I wonder if he approves of what is taking place, if ICMA can't care of our needs we should look else where.
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 03:12 am |
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| After a month and $25,000 later the position of the City Manager is finally on their (CPS) web site. Last edited on Sat Mar 8th, 2008 03:16 am by
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 03:02 am |
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| Is the newly hired Interum City Manager in place already?
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