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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 05:58 pm |
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| Raz: did Tony's Reports alert you to the fact the proposednew position may be tainted from several angles?
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:00 pm |
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Mama wrote...
What exactly are you inferring in the highlighted green? Hopefully it's not that you feel they are not entitled to their own opinions, own voting choices.... You wanted the old Council members out -- well, pretty much you got that at this present time. Now you don't like these men? Are they not performing properly on the "Council According to Raz" show? Will you ever be happy with anything that steps even slightly out of bounds of your expectations? Sheesh!
Please do not put words in my mouth Mama. I didn't say anything about not liking these guys, I happen to think they are a fine group.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 04:22 pm |
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razenkn wrote: rvukanovich wrote: When a new Council was elected we all thought that it would be a new day in Surprise, unfortunately there have been some missteps that have made staunch supporters of our new Council squirm.
When you have new council members and especially a mayor that had not served on the council this can occur, but we must continue giving them our support.
Well nobody would know better than you Mr Vuknaovich. Your council was in the newspapers as much as our last council for shall we say "squirmy" events.
Our new Mayor is doing an outstanding job and this council has done absolutely nothing wrong, and will serve our community quite well if some of them can put away their egos and stop the posturing and get on with City business. They had every right to seek the position and have done so if that is what you are referring to, time to move on and stop micromanaging every move they make.
What exactly are you inferring in the highlighted green? Hopefully it's not that you feel they are not entitled to their own opinions, own voting choices.... You wanted the old Council members out -- well, pretty much you got that at this present time. Now you don't like these men? Are they not performing properly on the "Council According to Raz" show? Will you ever be happy with anything that steps even slightly out of bounds of your expectations? Sheesh!
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:49 pm |
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rvukanovich wrote: When a new Council was elected we all thought that it would be a new day in Surprise, unfortunately there have been some missteps that have made staunch supporters of our new Council squirm.
When you have new council members and especially a mayor that had not served on the council this can occur, but we must continue giving them our support.
Well nobody would know better than you Mr Vuknaovich. Your council was in the newspapers as much as our last council for shall we say "squirmy" events.
Our new Mayor is doing an outstanding job and this council has done absolutely nothing wrong, and will serve our community quite well if some of them can put away their egos and stop the posturing and get on with City business. They had every right to seek the position and have done so if that is what you are referring to, time to move on and stop micromanaging every move they make.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:40 pm |
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When a new Council was elected we all thought that it would be a new day in Surprise, unfortunately there have been some missteps that have made staunch supporters of our new Council squirm.
When you have new council members and especially a mayor that had not served on the council this can occur, but we must continue giving them our support.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 11:01 pm |
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razenkn wrote: By the way, I find people who use personal insults usually have a problem with self confidence so in order to make sure people listen to what they have to say they make childish remarks in order to get everyone's attention. Thought I would point that out to you rectr and to whomever else on here that immaturity applies to. 
Well, I find those that have to repeat themselves over and over again and those who always have to have the "last word" are pretty immature. But hey, that's only my opinion.
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Reactr wrote: I have not posted nor made one remark concerning the occupant of the six month contract nor her father. Each council member assesses information about issues and casts one vote ( their own). Neither you nor I vote. You implied I have claimed ownership by referring to "my" councilman. Pure nonsense. Your views on this subject seem to be driven by raw emotion and it's clear you are frightened stiff to do an objective evaluation of the proposed position.
Tony has written an excellent article to appear in tomorrow's AZ Republic. He presents his description of a few facts pertinent to this situation. Enjoy.
By the way, I find people who use personal insults usually have a problem with self confidence so in order to make sure people listen to what they have to say they make childish remarks in order to get everyone's attention. Thought I would point that out to you rectr and to whomever else on here that immaturity applies to.
Uh, this will probably be my last response to you on this subject since its been beaten to death, the life has gone out of it since Ms Gutier will no longer be an issue. But I am curious why you felt the need to mention her Father in your statement, what in the world does he have to do with anything? Can you see how I think you people are over the edge on this subject? Maybe she has a cousin you can take a pot shot at. Get over it.
Last time I will say this (I know, I hear you out there, thank God) but this is my opinion on this issue......I DON'T CARE WHAT THE POSITION IS OR IS NOT SUPPOSED TO ACCOMPLISH BECAUSE ITS NOT MY BUSINESS. THAT IS WHAT WE PAY PROFESSIONALS TO DO. IF I WANTED TO GET INVOLVED IN THE DAY TO DAY MINUTIAE OF RUNNING THE CITY GOVERNMENT I WOULD HAVE RAN FOR OFFICE OR APPLIED FOR A POSITION IN THE CITY.
Maybe you should have done that Rectr, then your amazing wisdom on this position might be relevant. But up till now, it's just your opinion.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 08:41 pm |
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I have not posted nor made one remark concerning the occupant of the six month contract nor her father. Each council member assesses information about issues and casts one vote ( their own). Neither you nor I vote. You implied I have claimed ownership by refering to "my" councilman. Pure nonsense. Your views on this sibject seem to be driven by raw emotion and it's clear you are frightened stiff to do an objective evaluation of the proposed position.
Tony has written an excellent article to appear in tomorrow's AZ Republic. He presents his description of a few facts pertinent to this situation. Enjoy.
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Whoa, you are really getting deep there rectr, way way over my head. Even though apparently I wasn't bright enough to pass your "test??" if that is what that was, but I am very capable of reading between the lines and when I hit number 6, it all came together. Besides, I like suckers better than balloons. I hope YOUR councilman is reading your posts. He should be very proud he's joined forces with you to attempt to create havoc on the council.
It's pretty much a non issue now though isn't it, Ms Gutier is saying bye bye to our little City. As I warned previously, most professionals worth their salt will not put up with the type of slandering of her professional reputation you people have thrown at her. They don't need to. You should all be ashamed, but worse yet, good luck in getting the next qualified candidate. One has to wonder what she will say when people ask her out there in the Valley why she left Surprise.
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| Razenkn: Your refusal to take test ( failure to take an objective appraisal of the merit of the position as currently designed) has resulted in a demotion to grade two. There the emphasis will be on development of analytical skills , problem analysis and independent thinking. IF you work real hard on attaining those skills, you will be rewarded with the balloon. If not, you earn a second sucker.
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6. My councilman deals with constituents quite willingly and capabily. No help needed,
Got it, that explains it. Here we go again...... 
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Raz: A third grade test for you.
I. Read the proposed job spec sheet for the proposed position.
2. Analyze the duties for redundancy with duties already being performed by city employees.
3. Define what positions-and how many of each class- constitute the "staff".
4. Why did the HR director refuse to provide comparitive salary data? Unavailable? Not hardly.
5.Why didn't the interim CM give the whole story as to where the proposed duties came from?
6. My councilman deals with constituents quite willingly and capabily. No help needed
7. Just what constitutes the "division"?
Provide honest answers and you get a balloon. If your answers are skewed, you get a sucker.
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Hooray for them?? Since when did this become a "them against them" issue? It is my understanding the council is all supposed to be on the same team, the "let's do what is best for Surprise" team. If they disagree and there is no doubt they will do plenty of that, then do it in an honest and professional manner. I don't think an item as simple as creating a employment position calls for cheerleading hoorays because ultimately who really loses in such childish competitions - we do, the City perception.
Quite frankly, I'm a little shocked and disappointed with some of the council members for allowing themselves to get mired into such trivial nonsense.
Since they did not fit your expectations and you are considering their attempt to listen to citizens and help the city "trivial nonsense" then what would you expect our council to do???? To say such things hurts the city and council since they are trying to resolve an issue that needs resolution.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 11:33 pm |
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Reactr wrote: I'm all for honesty and professionalism. There seems to be a gross difference of opinion as to whom fits the bill. Chapter three has been concluded. Stay tuned for more thrilling episodes of " THE PHANTOM DIVISION of SURPRISE".
You seem to be almost giddy with the very idea someone might be undermining this council. For awhile there you seemed to be one of the responsible watchdogs but now you appear to be turning into more of a junk yard attack dog. What's going on with that? This type of contrived drama helps no one.
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I like the way they are voicing their opinions and differences. Let's face it, if they ALL got up there and they ALL agreed on everything and they ALL followed the Mayor's vote, couldn't it then be surmised they were making those "dreaded backroom deals" that the previous council was accused of doing? Council members, just as the general public, are going to have their own opinions on what is best. It's quite funny how certain people feel there's anarchy abrewing.....
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| I'm all for honesty and professionalism. There seems to be a gross difference of opinion as to whom fits the bill. Chapter three has been concluded. Stay tuned for more thrilling episodes of " THE PHANTOM DIVISION of SURPRISE".
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 06:16 pm |
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razenkn wrote: Quite frankly, I'm a little shocked and disappointed with some of the council members for allowing themselves to get mired into such trivial nonsense.
Keep saying it's "trivial"..
Smarter minds know better.
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Hooray for them?? Since when did this become a "them against them" issue? It is my understanding the council is all supposed to be on the same team, the "let's do what is best for Surprise" team. If they disagree and there is no doubt they will do plenty of that, then do it in an honest and professional manner. I don't think an item as simple as creating a employment position calls for cheerleading hoorays because ultimately who really loses in such childish competitions - we do, the City perception.
Quite frankly, I'm a little shocked and disappointed with some of the council members for allowing themselves to get mired into such trivial nonsense.
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Reactr wrote: The first two attempts to " create" a job with a non-descript duties was "sold" to a new council. Mr. Hall was not on council at that time. Mr. Alton apparently monitored the need for the job for several months,as did Mr. Williams. When the first attempts to title the position failed to provide sufficient duties to yield a high pay rate, the next step was to work down from the "Division head" title to set a high pay rate . That tactic forced a list of "duties" to justify the division head title. Call that reverse engineering.Mr. Alton inquired who set the duties and was met with a response to rival a presidential candidate evading questions. When questioned about the salary for the position, the HR director generalized ( with no supporting data) about salaries and basically saying no comps were possible to make. Council members Alton, Hall and Williams were seeking relevant information , which was not provided.
Hooray for them!
Here, here!!
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The first two attempts to " create" a job with a non-descript duties was "sold" to a new council. Mr. Hall was not on council at that time. Mr. Alton apparently monitored the need for the job for several months,as did Mr. Williams. When the first attempts to title the position failed to provide sufficient duties to yield a high pay rate, the next step was to work down from the "Division head" title to set a high pay rate . That tactic forced a list of "duties" to justify the division head title. Call that reverse engineering.Mr. Alton inquired who set the duties and was met with a response to rival a presidential candidate evading questions. When questioned about the salary for the position, the HR director generalized ( with no supporting data) about salaries and basically saying no comps were possible to make. Council members Alton, Hall and Williams were seeking relevant information , which was not provided.
Hooray for them!
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Am I imagining things or was there some serious pomposity going on during the council meeting Thurs night and for that matter the past couple of meetings with Alton and Hall, perhaps a little reminiscent of our past council? 
One of the best things about this past election was the fact we got a whole new council in place, a professional council that we hope will conduct themselves accordingly. I would hate to see them disengage their professionalism to make way for big heads and egos. Hopefully they were just trying to dazzle their constituents with how tough and thoughtful they can be, but it didn't come off very well if that was their intent. They need to lose the snarkey comments and the condescending expressions.
Reminiscent of our past council, DON'T THINK SO.
What you are seeing is the frustration some are having because of the ridiculousness of another.
I have a feeling things are going to get much more tense if certain folks don't calm down with their personal agendas.
So much fun to see a certain person in the audience who has an extreme financial interest in an upcoming decision or two.
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Am I imagining things or was there some serious pomposity going on during the council meeting Thurs night and for that matter the past couple of meetings with Alton and Hall, perhaps a little reminiscent of our past council?
One of the best things about this past election was the fact we got a whole new council in place, a professional council that we hope will conduct themselves accordingly. I would hate to see them disengage their professionalism to make way for big heads and egos. Hopefully they were just trying to dazzle their constituents with how tough and thoughtful they can be, but it didn't come off very well if that was their intent. They need to lose the snarkey comments and the condescending expressions.
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spincycle wrote: cindisue_g wrote: spincycle wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Obviously Surprisedstacy has expertise in grants and fund raising otherwise she would not have brought that up as a viable alternative to the city doling out dollars.
Yeah, maybe we don't get anywhere because of smartass, stupid comments such as the one above.
Enjoy your day in Sun City Grand. I heard tonight's fish dinner at the village is going to be delicious.
Thank you spincycle for just proving my point.
No "cindisue", I was just giving you an example of smartass and stupid.
Glad you saw it for what it was. You're pretty smart..
Sorry, don't see it your way. I will re-post what you proved: The citizens continue to yell at each other, make accusations about some of the problems, but are not willing to step up and help solve the problem - so instead of finding a solution, it is easier for you to just yell that Marianne Archibald should be doing it. Thank you for continuing to prove what I said was right on. I'm also sorry that you insulted Surprisedstacy, I for one felt that she did in fact have some good ideas about the museums and seemed to have the knowledge base to get it done and if she lent a hand, she could definitely make a difference.
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cindisue_g wrote: spincycle wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Obviously Surprisedstacy has expertise in grants and fund raising otherwise she would not have brought that up as a viable alternative to the city doling out dollars.
Yeah, maybe we don't get anywhere because of smartass, stupid comments such as the one above.
Enjoy your day in Sun City Grand. I heard tonight's fish dinner at the village is going to be delicious.
Thank you spincycle for just proving my point.
No "cindisue", I was just giving you an example of smartass and stupid.
Glad you saw it for what it was. You're pretty smart..
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 10:43 pm |
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Sorry, it's still a non issue as far as I'm concerned. I quite honestly don't think it matters one whit how the position came about, it is what it is. An employment issue. A CM issue, not yours and not mine. Since when does hiring employees become a mass hysteria? Only when it is a personal issue rather than a personnel issue.
Tit for tat, nope. I'm just taking the past council members and supporters at their word that they have it in for Mayor Truitt and the new council and will do whatever they can to undermine their success, and I believe them.
This whole melodrama is about nothing more than creating a common place position, nothing out of the ordinary that has been so blown out of proportion that its becoming comical and tiring to listen to.
I don't care what the job description is, really, they can hire whomever they deem necessary, for whatever they need them to do....it's not my job to tell them they can't. I don't want to run the City, that is why I vote for my candidate of choice so they can have the headaches.
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| See Chief of Staff forum for full description Attachment: job description 1.doc (Downloaded 5 times) Last edited on Sat May 10th, 2008 02:39 pm by mike woodard
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Mama wrote...
Spin, raz is locked in "conspiracy theory" land. He used to accuse others, but I see that's only because that's where his brain is still holding steady. My God, how long has this been now? If you're not clearly "pro-Truitt" then you must be one of the evil "pro-previous-Council" people. You will never get a straight answer from him concerning the Assistant's chores until he can shake loose from the powerful grip that binds him.
Assistant's chores Mama? Chores?? So, what do you like better? Duties? She was deemed to be an assistant and now they want to glorify it for more money. (That's kind of mean spirited and demeaning isn't it? I hope the big women libber's aren't reading this blog )
As far as blaming the past council and supporters go, it's their own fault because they announced before Mayor Truitt was sworn in they were going after him and were already planning a recall effort so it's their call, not mine. It just makes me watch them closer now that I know what their true motivation is. And you are what, the watchdog or do you view yourself to be a VIP in this whole scheme?
I have said this before. It is blatantly obvious you people are using this as a political brick to throw at the new council. Ah, just as you did the last Council. It's your right to do so, ya think? but it's also my right to call you on it when I think you are wrong. Tit for tat there raz. If I thought for two seconds you were coming on here because you were geuinely concerned about this issue, I wouldn't say anything. And you really don't think the public is concerned with the way Truitt has begun his position? Really? That is unbelievable that you just don't get it and still think everything is hunky-dory. But that's not your MO. It's a personal issue with you guys. Especially Spin/Stacy comes on here like gangbusters throwing insults and hurling hateful nasty accusations left and right with absolutely nothing to back them up in hopes something sticks. I see that as a defeatist tactic because it doesn't hurt the council, it damages Surprise and it makes us look foolish and immature.
I don't comment about this position because I think all the drama about it is just that, hyped up drama. It's an employment issue, Yes, gotta give you that one raz, it is an employment issue and the position creation should have gone through the proper procedures and put out to the public, which we all know wasn't done, which is why this topic has created the buzz it has. we have paid professionals in place to make the necessary decisions and I don't care. If they believe it's a valuable position then they will determine the salary and who fills the position, and that is good enough for me. Why bother to have a CM and Mayor and Council if we are the ones that make the decisions, they may as well go on home.
Such melodrama. I'm glad you understand how your postings are viewed. Do you see how silly all of this is? Do you see how people are beginning to understand that Truitt is not delivering on his transparency theme?
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Spin, raz is locked in "conspiracy theory" land. He used to accuse others, but I see that's only because that's where his brain is still holding steady. My God, how long has this been now? If you're not clearly "pro-Truitt" then you must be one of the evil "pro-previous-Council" people. You will never get a straight answer from him concerning the Assistant's chores until he can shake loose from the powerful grip that binds him.
Assistant's chores Mama? Chores?? (That's kind of mean spirited and demeaning isn't it? I hope the big women libber's aren't reading this blog )
As far as blaming the past council and supporters go, it's their own fault because they announced before Mayor Truitt was sworn in they were going after him and were already planning a recall effort so it's their call, not mine. It just makes me watch them closer now that I know what their true motivation is.
I have said this before. It is blatantly obvious you people are using this as a political brick to throw at the new council. It's your right to do so, but it's also my right to call you on it when I think you are wrong. If I thought for two seconds you were coming on here because you were geuinely concerned about this issue, I wouldn't say anything. But that's not your MO. It's a personal issue with you guys. Especially Spin/Stacy comes on here like gangbusters throwing insults and hurling hateful nasty accusations left and right with absolutely nothing to back them up in hopes something sticks. I see that as a defeatist tactic because it doesn't hurt the council, it damages Surprise and it makes us look foolish and immature.
I don't comment about this position because I think all the drama about it is just that, hyped up drama. It's an employment issue, we have paid professionals in place to make the necessary decisions and I don't care. If they believe it's a valuable position then they will determine the salary and who fills the position, and that is good enough for me. Why bother to have a CM and Mayor and Council if we are the ones that make the decisions, they may as well go on home.
Such melodrama. Do you see how silly all of this is?
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They are preparing to rebuild the road at Grand Ave & Dysart Rd. In another consent Item that they passed in Feb. 2008 they made no provisions to make a left hand turn on Santa Fe Drive when going South on Dysart Rd. at the railroad track.
I sent an e-mail to the city about this and was told by e-mail they would get back to me with an answer, never happened.
This is going to create a real problem for the business’s in the original square mile.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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spincycle wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Obviously Surprisedstacy has expertise in grants and fund raising otherwise she would not have brought that up as a viable alternative to the city doling out dollars.
Yeah, maybe we don't get anywhere because of smartass, stupid comments such as the one above.
Enjoy your day in Sun City Grand. I heard tonight's fish dinner at the village is going to be delicious.
Wow! that's pretty harsh there spincycle, I know this forum is an opportunity to express ourselves and even disagree, but we all should to try and keep a civil tongue, as difficult as that can be sometimes.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 06:36 pm |
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On May 1st I posted
No discussion on Item #10 April 24th, why?
¾ acre pocket park in the original square mile
Unfortunately when Council wants to hide things from the general public they put them on what is called the consent items.
The previous Council on June 28th 2007 in another consent item in regards to this park spent $75,000 on property at which time we did not own, without informing us.
Did this Council have this information on the 24th of April 2008? If they did, what would this be called?
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 05:17 pm |
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spincycle wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Obviously Surprisedstacy has expertise in grants and fund raising otherwise she would not have brought that up as a viable alternative to the city doling out dollars.
Yeah, maybe we don't get anywhere because of smartass, stupid comments such as the one above.
Enjoy your day in Sun City Grand. I heard tonight's fish dinner at the village is going to be delicious.
Thank you spincycle for just proving my point.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 04:43 pm |
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cindisue_g wrote: Obviously Surprisedstacy has expertise in grants and fund raising otherwise she would not have brought that up as a viable alternative to the city doling out dollars.
Yeah, maybe we don't get anywhere because of smartass, stupid comments such as the one above.
Enjoy your day in Sun City Grand. I heard tonight's fish dinner at the village is going to be delicious.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 04:22 pm |
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spincycle wrote: cindisue_g wrote: As far as the museums are concerned, why not send a letter to the two museums offering your obvious expertise and knowledge to help them do some fund raising and/or applying for grants. That would help two fold; one save the city possibly thousands of dollars and two help the museum raise their much needed dollars.
Last time I checked that would be the job MARIANNE ARCHIBALD is supposed to be doing.
SHE IS BEING PAID TO DO, SO LET'S SEE HER DO IT!!!
It is pretty plain to see why the city of Surprise never gets anywhere. The citizens continue to yell at each other, make accusations about some of the problems, but are not will to step up and help solve the problem - so instead of finding a solution, it is easier for you to just yell that Marianne Archibald should be doing it. Obviously Surprisedstacy has expertise in grants and fund raising otherwise she would not have brought that up as a viable alternative to the city doling out dollars.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 03:56 pm |
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cindisue_g wrote: As far as the museums are concerned, why not send a letter to the two museums offering your obvious expertise and knowledge to help them do some fund raising and/or applying for grants. That would help two fold; one save the city possibly thousands of dollars and two help the museum raise their much needed dollars.
Last time I checked that would be the job MARIANNE ARCHIBALD is supposed to be doing.
SHE IS BEING PAID TO DO, SO LET'S SEE HER DO IT!!!
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 01:49 pm |
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Surprisedstacy wrote: cindisue_g, I had a hard time reading your post, so I will try to address it the best I can.
This new council has not gotten anything done that I have noticed. I can not attend the council meetings due to work. Just as I can not visit my councilman during his Tuesday office hours because I work.
I have however, voiced my displeasure with my councilman and several other members of this council via e-mail. They do respond with more excuses.
I did not ask what the other city employee's are doing, but I do want to know what this new assistant has done. I have checked out other salaries for the Surprise city employees and they do not make what this so called assistant is going to be making. Not even the city clerk who has been here 17 years and in is worth every penny she makes. We know what the other city employees do to earn their pay checks, but we have no clue nor any accountability for the new assistant. Why is that?
I could certainly use those salaries in a lot better ways. How about giving some to the two museums, we need signal lights, and road repairs. Better yet how about paying for field trips to the museums for our schools here in Surprise? How about our schools, they need lots of supplies and our teachers could use more pay as well as police and fire. How about keeping our swimming pool open longer hours? The little stuff should matter too.
As for me, there are just to many secrets and closed door dealings. If the council and mayor wanted an assistant why didn't they offer that position to someone already working for the city or put that position out to the public for others to apply for? The same goes for the business consultant position.
Speaking of the two museums. Since they are non-profit have they not gone after grants? Why doesn't their business consultant, Marianne Archibald, approach some of these business' for funding? There are a lot of non-profits that actually help people that I feel should be taken care of first.
You mention that the city should be giving some money to signal lights, road repairs, pools open longer and additional fire and police; which I feel would be appropriate. But to pay for field trips for schools or purchase schools supplies or to subside teacher's salaries - I totally disagree with. That all should be done by Dysart. I do not think a dime should be given to Dysart until they can show that they are responsible. Something they have not proved.
Possibly the council or city manager did not feel that there was anyone working for the city who had the skill set for these positions. If you or you know of someone that you feel would be appropriate for these positions, I suggest that you or they send a resume to the Mayor and each of the City Council Members, as well as the City Manager and HR Director.
As far as the museums are concerned, why not send a letter to the two museums offering your obvious expertise and knowledge to help them do some fund raising and/or applying for grants. That would help two fold; one save the city possibly thousands of dollars and two help the museum raise their much needed dollars.
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spincycle wrote: razenkn wrote:
Look, we know what this is really about. You have made it perfectly clear from day one whose pocket you are in and the obvious grudge you harbor against the new council so I always take your comments as an unfair slice of sour grapes.
Very strange though how you never had a negative to say about them with the last council, just with the new council. Fairly telling isn't it? The gig's up kids.
How many more times do you need to be told that this has NOTHING to do with the former council members?
Since you're the big cheerleader for Truitt, I'm going to ask you again, WHAT HAS THE ASSISTANT DONE???
The assistant's position does not even come close to commanding a $150,000 a year salary, no matter who gets the job. Completely and utterly ludicrous!!!
Spin, raz is locked in "conspiracy theory" land. He used to accuse others, but I see that's only because that's where his brain is still holding steady. My God, how long has this been now? If you're not clearly "pro-Truitt" then you must be one of the evil "pro-previous-Council" people. You will never get a straight answer from him concerning the Assistant's chores until he can shake loose from the powerful grip that binds him.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 05:12 am |
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razenkn wrote:
Look, we know what this is really about. You have made it perfectly clear from day one whose pocket you are in and the obvious grudge you harbor against the new council so I always take your comments as an unfair slice of sour grapes.
Very strange though how you never had a negative to say about them with the last council, just with the new council. Fairly telling isn't it? The gig's up kids.
How many more times do you need to be told that this has NOTHING to do with the former council members?
Since you're the big cheerleader for Truitt, I'm going to ask you again, WHAT HAS THE ASSISTANT DONE???
The assistant's position does not even come close to commanding a $150,000 a year salary, no matter who gets the job. Completely and utterly ludicrous!!!
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 05:01 am |
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Went to the Council meeting tonight to voice my concerns about the Council passing some important items without discussion (consent items).
In the first two meetings that were held for the ad hoc committee and no money was involved they were held in open discussion.
When they wanted $50,000 that they could not justify they put it on consent where only a Council Member can take it off for discussion, Councilman Johnson took it off of consent enabling me to question it.
Didn't know who he was or who presented him, who looked like he had just come from a back yard barbecue making a few remarks, when I realized that he was praying.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 04:50 am |
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Stacy, if you can't attend the meetings, and you don't say you watch them on TV, then how do you know what is not being done and what is? How do you know there are "secret meeings" and "closed door dealings" if you can't even make it to the meetings? What a dishonest load of BS. Stacy......they only voted on funding for the position tonight, they can't post it until it's funded. There goes your eeeevil closed door dealings conspiracy right out the window.
Look, we know what this is really about. You have made it perfectly clear from day one whose pocket you are in and the obvious grudge you harbor against the new council so I always take your comments as an unfair slice of sour grapes.
Having said that, one has to ask those of you who are trying to make some spectacular political issue out of the Cultural Art Centers we are lucky enough to have here in Surprise as a negative. Would we be better off not to have them here? Is that the message you want to deliver to them? WOW. Really, that is the message you want to give to them and the entire West Valley? We spend millions of dollars on sports venues, but our beautiful Museums ask for a little assistance and you all go off on it as though someone was supporting Hamas or something. Defeating and incredibly embarassing for our great City.
It would serve us right if they just folded their tents and went to another community that gets the importance of supporting such venues. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen because it would be a huge loss for Surprise. Those venues are vital to our City's success and you people should be ashamed for not supporting them. Very strange though how you never had a negative to say about them with the last council, just with the new council. Fairly telling isn't it? The gig's up kids.
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| The previous council could be painted with the same brush in terms of manipulations. It is grossly unfair to several current council members to be included in such an umbrella. Yes, unfortunately, manipulations are still occuring and now seem to be bleeding down to an apparently willing paid staff. A few council members are true to their campaign promises. Others are already being compared to their predacessors. I thought we were through with desecration of ethics.
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cindisue_g, I had a hard time reading your post, so I will try to address it the best I can.
This new council has not gotten anything done that I have noticed. I can not attend the council meetings due to work. Just as I can not visit my councilman during his Tuesday office hours because I work.
I have however, voiced my displeasure with my councilman and several other members of this council via e-mail. They do respond with more excuses.
I did not ask what the other city employee's are doing, but I do want to know what this new assistant has done. I have checked out other salaries for the Surprise city employees and they do not make what this so called assistant is going to be making. Not even the city clerk who has been here 17 years and in is worth every penny she makes. We know what the other city employees do to earn their pay checks, but we have no clue nor any accountability for the new assistant. Why is that?
I could certainly use those salaries in a lot better ways. How about giving some to the two museums, we need signal lights, and road repairs. Better yet how about paying for field trips to the museums for our schools here in Surprise? How about our schools, they need lots of supplies and our teachers could use more pay as well as police and fire. How about keeping our swimming pool open longer hours? The little stuff should matter too.
As for me, there are just to many secrets and closed door dealings. If the council and mayor wanted an assistant why didn't they offer that position to someone already working for the city or put that position out to the public for others to apply for? The same goes for the business consultant position.
Speaking of the two museums. Since they are non-profit have they not gone after grants? Why doesn't their business consultant, Marianne Archibald, approach some of these business' for funding? There are a lot of non-profits that actually help people that I feel should be taken care of first.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 08:30 pm |
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Surprisedstacy wrote: I have been saying over and over that the Mayor and council are doing their "paybacks" with these jobs and these women. These positions were never needed until Truitt took office. The past council's did their own foot work. This new council does not have a busier schedule, in fact I would say they are doing less.
Why does West Valley Art not have to follow the rules when asking for money? Connie Stover had no trouble holding "fundraisers/meet and greets" for Truitt, why not do the same for herself?
Now the Mayor has once again raised the "assistants" salary. This woman has done nothing or produced any proof that she has done anything since she has been hired. Everything that she supposedly does is kept secret. There is no accountibility for her job during the council meeting.
I noticed the local papers and the AZ Republic have done nothing to investigate what this council and Mayor are doing with regards to the two positions they are about to add to our budget.
You want a solution Raz, don't vote these two position into the budget and make Heard and West Valley Art follow the rules.
Do I think the sock-puppet council will do as they are told by Truitt? Yes, I do. Am I angry? Yes I am. Plain and simple, I am discussed with this mayor and council, and their behind doors actions.
surprisedstacy, have you gone to a council meeting and let all your feelings and concerns be heard. As much as some of the "old" council and one still on and then some on this board, continued to make fun of the "CAVE" people, many of these people got things done whether some want to believe it or not. If you do, just please don't throw accusations around about paybacks, etc. unless you have proof, otherwise you will look kind of sour-grapey. I would point blank as why the NW Art and Heard Museum does not have to following the same rules and regulations as others...there is nothing wrong with getting the question out in the open. As far as the Assistants positions, asked what in fact they do, why the large salary, is it possible to see what other city's pay comparable positions, etc. Let opinions be heard whether they like it or not; it is your right!
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:48 pm |
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I have been saying over and over that the Mayor and council are doing their "paybacks" with these jobs and these women. These positions were never needed until Truitt took office. The past council's did their own foot work. This new council does not have a busier schedule, in fact I would say they are doing less.
Why does West Valley Art not hav |