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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 01:02 am |
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razenkn wrote: I am entitled to my opinion......
Of course there is a connection between Barack Obama and William Terrorist Ayers. They sat on the same board for years, they have given speeches together, Michelle and his terrorist wife Bernadene Dorhn worked for the same law office where Michelle and Barack met, Barack served on a board with William Ayers Father and brother, and served on another board that was founded by none other than.....William Ayers. All designed to further Barack's political career. His own campaign came out and said "They are friendly" when asked what their relationship is. The two couples of have maintained their friendship for the past twenty years even to the point of moving into the same neighborhood. It was Bill Ayers and his lovely terrorist wife Bernadene that hosted the kick off party in their living room for Barack's first political run. That's fairly chummy I would say.
Blah, blah, blah... Michelle worked at the same place someone else worked at----oooh! Obama and Ayers served on the same board that other people served on too----double ooooh! Being friendly towards each other doesn't mean your friends.... Anyway, blah, blah, blah.......... Over to the left, drop the wheels, rrrrrr. The plane has offically landed, please exit now...
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big guy wrote: cindisue_g wrote: big guy wrote: cindisue_g wrote: big guy wrote: Bottom line Obama was clueless about what Wright was saying or he would have distanced himself immediately.
Call me clueless. Why would we ever want a president that was taken in for over 20 years by a anti-white, american hating, black separatist, anti-semitic. How clueless will he be in dealing with the presidents and prime ministers of other countries, when he was so easily taken in by a minister after listening to him for 20 years. This is the scariest thing I have ever heard. I want a democrat president that can hold his own with the rest of the world and won't be taken in by every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Obama is not clueless. He is a well educated, articulate man who listened to this crap for 20 years. No one forced him to go to this church, it was of his own free will. He gave the church thousands and thousands of dollars over the years, not to mention the majority of his charitable contributions went to other "black" only charities. He seems to stand behind the teaching of this church, to be committed to Africa. The only reason he denounced the good Reverend Wright was because the press got a hold of what he was all about and if he didn't he would have lost votes. According to Reverend Wright, even after Obama said he separated himself from him the first time, he was still involved with him. If McCain had been involved in a similar situation involving an anti-black church and if he donated the majority of his charitable contributions to white only charities, he would be run out of town on a rail.
I don't think McCain is perfect and given the opportunity I would vote for a Democrat over him. McCain might have given a large portion of his salary to charity, but what did Cindy McCain give. Her estimated worth is over 100 million dollars. Why won't he and Cindy file a joint return so that we can see what they gave in total to charity. The one thing I do agree with you about is that if McCain were in Obama's shoes he would be called a racists.
Now wait a minute, isn't this a real double standard? When comments by Michelle Obama were quoted, everyone came back with she is not running for President, why are you using her comments and now it is okay to question what contributions are given out of Cindy McCain's personal assets - what does her personal finances have to do with this since she is not running for president?
When it comes to caring about people - McCain gave 27.3 percent of his 2007 income, but those Democrats that want to raise your taxes to help everyone - Clinton gave 14.7 percent and Obama gave a mere 5.8 percent. Just proves the point, they want to give everyone free health care, they want to give illegal immigrants free benefits, but they don't personally want to help, they want all of us to pay for it.
I have to call you on this one. There is no double standard for me. If you have read any of my posts I believe that what the spouse does reflects on the person running for office. Afterall you are not going to stay married to someone who totally disagrees with your standards. Just as I disagree that Michelle Obama said that she had not been proud of American until now, I believe that Cindy McCain's finances should be made public. I think it boils down to ethics and morals. Ethics and morals can be hidden for just so long and then they always seem to creep to the top.
Fair enough. I think that is all some people really want is for Obama and McCain to be treated the same with no double standards. I hope we get your vote for McCain.
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Hey SM2 -- good job on fixing the site. 
I am entitled to my opinion and my opinion is there will be more to come. I could be wrong. My credibility is just fine thanks, but I appreciate your concern.
Now who is telling half-truths?? I've told you before I don't appreciate being called "untruthful"  unless you can prove with reliable sources what I say to be inaccurate, then I would apologize for submitting false information, but you haven't done that yet, you only insinuate I'm lying.
Of course there is a connection between Barack Obama and William Terrorist Ayers. They sat on the same board for years, they have given speeches together, Michelle and his terrorist wife Bernadene Dorhn worked for the same law office where Michelle and Barack met, Barack served on a board with William Ayers Father and brother, and served on another board that was founded by none other than.....William Ayers. All designed to further Barack's political career. His own campaign came out and said "They are friendly" when asked what their relationship is. The two couples of have maintained their friendship for the past twenty years even to the point of moving into the same neighborhood. It was Bill Ayers and his lovely terrorist wife Bernadene that hosted the kick off party in their living room for Barack's first political run. That's fairly chummy I would say.
The upstanding professors (yes, they are actually teaching our college kids ) have an infinity with the Black Liberation movement and so does Barack's church with the teaching of Black Liberation Theology. My guess is they would attend the same church except just a guess here, don't quote me, but I have a sneaky hunch they don't believe in GOD. Not if you are able to try to blow up families in the middle of the night to make a political point. But that is a guess, so this is a no proof disclaimer.
Now explain to me how the Obama's aren't connected to Mr & Mrs "I am Guilty as Sin -- And Free as a Bird". So, you're ok with these people?
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 11:13 pm |
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razenkn wrote: We'll see, but I think Obama's Ayers association is going to be much worse than his wackadoodle Rev.
Some old proverbs for you:
"A half-truth is a whole lie"
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"What you don't see with your eyes, don't invent with your mouth"
These are just a suggestion for you Raz, I am afraid you are losing any credibility you may have left. There is no friendship between Obama and Ayers and Obama denounced Farrakhan and Wright.... Land the plane for goodness sake!
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Oh sorry, that was no joke. I meant what I said, I think it may have had something to do with his decision to not wear it. Not all of his friends feel the same way about the US Flag (obviously from the photo) as most of us do. I just was saying it in a sarcastic tone. And you are wrong about the dots, they are connecting quite rapidly actually. We'll see, but I think Obama's Ayers association is going to be much worse than his wackadoodle Rev.
Thanks for removing the photo, but is there anything else you can do to fix the thread? It's still messed up.
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razenkn wrote:
You read my post, you looked at the photo of William Ayer's stomping on the American Flag, you know he is a self proclaimed terrorist who is proud of the fact to this day and you know that he is a friend and a political connection of the Obama's, but all you can pick apart is the flag pin? I added that as a sarcastic comment (I know hard to believe huh?) to help offset the sickening photo and article, but the post was not about the Flag Pin. Wasn't there anything else in that post or article that bothered you? 
I for one find some of these associations to be quite disturbing especially when you put them all together. I'm not liking what I'm seeing at all and I have a sinking feeling we haven't heard it all yet.
The joke of the flag pin is the same joke of you trying to do a connect the dots with Ayers and Obama. You're missing some dots---there is no connection like you say.
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You read my post, you looked at the photo of William Ayer's stomping on the American Flag, you know he is a self proclaimed terrorist who is proud of the fact to this day and you know that he is a friend and a political connection of the Obama's, but all you can pick apart is the flag pin? I added that as a sarcastic comment (I know hard to believe huh?) to help offset the sickening photo and article, but the post was not about the Flag Pin. Wasn't there anything else in that post or article that bothered you?
I for one find some of these associations to be quite disturbing especially when you put them all together. I'm not liking what I'm seeing at all and I have a sinking feeling we haven't heard it all yet.
Is the breaking news that John McCain is wearing a larger pin and so will Mrs Clinton supposed to minimize and/or minimize the symbolism or importance of the Flag pin? Didn't work. It was a silly news story to say the least. I don't even care if Obama doesn't wear one, it's the fact that he makes a point of NOT wearing one that bothers me plus the strange explanation for it. But that is another post.
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sometimes rational wrote: Big Guy: if you vote Dem you're voting for the Dem platform...if you vote McCain, you're abandoning the Dem platform..it's just that simple..while a lot of the issues surrounding Obama have been spun, clouded, distorted, and otherwise subjected to interpretation, particularly by those who would like another 4yrs of Bush policy. McCain needs no excuses..no interpretation..no spin..McCain thought it presidential to paradody the Beach Boy's song, except he changed the lyrics to, "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" sung to Barbara Ann...you can probably see this on You Tube....haven't you enuf of an idiot president? He votes like a Republican (alto he has missed more than half the votes) , his position switches have been well documented, and as an American Senator, he is already an embarrassment. I think, Big Guy, you're grappling with choosing between someone with whom you're not comfortable, and someone who finished near the bottom of his class at the Navel Academy and actually brags about it. Vote for whom you want, but I suggest to put aside the candidates for a minute and look at the the policies and platform of the parties they represent...I, for the life of me, don't see how anyone who calls himself a Democrat could vote for the Republican platform.
I am grappling as you say between someone who I am not comfortable and someone who I feel believes in something that I feel is totally wrong. I feel Obama has been pulled into the Wright way. I feel that he indeed believes what he has listened to. If it was as easy as looking at the policies and platforms, there would be no question I would vote Democrat. I was raised to believe that everyone should be held equal in the eyes of God and that is totally opposite to what Obama has listened to for years. Sorry you don't know how I could vote for a Republican. I can say that I don't understand how someone could vote for someone with a background of listening to racists remarks and not walking out on day one.
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razenkn wrote: ...Do you think this photo might explain why Barack seems to have an aversion to wearing the US Flag pin on his lapel?.....
LOL
John McCain sporting the Super Flag PinRepublican front runner John McCain is making hay over the Obama flag pin controversy by proving his greater patriotism with a bigger flag pin. McCain appeared today sporting a flag pin that is a good six inches wide laying to rest any notions that anybody is more patriotic than he is.
"In a race that is going to be this tight it is important to win any advantages you can," says Washington watch David Brooks. "If wearing a flag pin makes you patriotic then super patriots like McCain should be wearing bigger pins, it makes perfect sense to me."
The Obama campaign has not commented on the new larger pin, but the Clinton campaign is said to be ordering an even larger pin for Mrs. Clinton.
The super flag pin was custom made for McCain by a supporter but new flag pins of similar size are already available on the internets.
http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/index.php?itemid=3218
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WARNING....THIS MAY MAKE YOU SICK!!!
This is a photo and article from the Chicago Mag. Since the article is quite lengthy but amazingly informational, I will ask that if you don't do anything more at least open the link and check out the photo if you can stomach it.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/
For those that don't know William Ayers is a friend, neighbor and political connection of Barack Obama's, oh yeah, did I mention and TERRORIST? Mr Ayers had written a book and to promote it this dispicable photo was taken in August 2001 of Ayers stomping on the American Flag. He also says he has no regrets and wished he could have done more.
You will read in this article that Mr Ayers and his terrorist wife named one of their children after a "fallen black liberation soldier" fellow radical. I mention this because it ties into the "black liberation theology" church Barack and his wife Michelle belong to for the past 20 years to present. The Ayers attempted to kill the judge (and his family while they slept) who was presiding over the Black Panthers 21 group trial by bombing the judge's home on the same night as they bombed several NYC military sites as well as the NYC PD Headquarters. REV Wright is associated with the Black Panthers as well as Louis Farrakhan. The Black Panthers 21 were on trial for plotting future US bombings.
Mr Ayers has a notable quote in this article:
"Guilty as sin - Free as a bird" What a great country we live in". Doesn't that just warm your heart?? This is the guy who launched Barack Obama's campaign to show support for his new political career from his living room. Michelle Obama and Ayers wife, Bernadene Dohrn worked together at the same law office where Barack and Michelle met. No connection?? Really??
Do you think this photo might explain why Barack seems to have an aversion to wearing the US Flag pin on his lapel? Maybe it upsets his friend.
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Big Guy: if you vote Dem you're voting for the Dem platform...if you vote McCain, you're abandoning the Dem platform..it's just that simple..while a lot of the issues surrounding Obama have been spun, clouded, distorted, and otherwise subjected to interpretation, particularly by those who would like another 4yrs of Bush policy. McCain needs no excuses..no interpretation..no spin..McCain thought it presidential to paradody the Beach Boy's song, except he changed the lyrics to, "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" sung to Barbara Ann...you can probably see this on You Tube....haven't you enuf of an idiot president? He votes like a Republican (alto he has missed more than half the votes) , his position switches have been well documented, and as an American Senator, he is already an embarrassment. I think, Big Guy, you're grappling with choosing between someone with whom you're not comfortable, and someone who finished near the bottom of his class at the Navel Academy and actually brags about it. Vote for whom you want, but I suggest to put aside the candidates for a minute and look at the the policies and platform of the parties they represent...I, for the life of me, don't see how anyone who calls himself a Democrat could vote for the Republican platform.
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cindisue_g wrote: big guy wrote: cindisue_g wrote: big guy wrote: Bottom line Obama was clueless about what Wright was saying or he would have distanced himself immediately.
Call me clueless. Why would we ever want a president that was taken in for over 20 years by a anti-white, american hating, black separatist, anti-semitic. How clueless will he be in dealing with the presidents and prime ministers of other countries, when he was so easily taken in by a minister after listening to him for 20 years. This is the scariest thing I have ever heard. I want a democrat president that can hold his own with the rest of the world and won't be taken in by every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Obama is not clueless. He is a well educated, articulate man who listened to this crap for 20 years. No one forced him to go to this church, it was of his own free will. He gave the church thousands and thousands of dollars over the years, not to mention the majority of his charitable contributions went to other "black" only charities. He seems to stand behind the teaching of this church, to be committed to Africa. The only reason he denounced the good Reverend Wright was because the press got a hold of what he was all about and if he didn't he would have lost votes. According to Reverend Wright, even after Obama said he separated himself from him the first time, he was still involved with him. If McCain had been involved in a similar situation involving an anti-black church and if he donated the majority of his charitable contributions to white only charities, he would be run out of town on a rail.
I don't think McCain is perfect and given the opportunity I would vote for a Democrat over him. McCain might have given a large portion of his salary to charity, but what did Cindy McCain give. Her estimated worth is over 100 million dollars. Why won't he and Cindy file a joint return so that we can see what they gave in total to charity. The one thing I do agree with you about is that if McCain were in Obama's shoes he would be called a racists.
Now wait a minute, isn't this a real double standard? When comments by Michelle Obama were quoted, everyone came back with she is not running for President, why are you using her comments and now it is okay to question what contributions are given out of Cindy McCain's personal assets - what does her personal finances have to do with this since she is not running for president?
When it comes to caring about people - McCain gave 27.3 percent of his 2007 income, but those Democrats that want to raise your taxes to help everyone - Clinton gave 14.7 percent and Obama gave a mere 5.8 percent. Just proves the point, they want to give everyone free health care, they want to give illegal immigrants free benefits, but they don't personally want to help, they want all of us to pay for it.
I have to call you on this one. There is no double standard for me. If you have read any of my posts I believe that what the spouse does reflects on the person running for office. Afterall you are not going to stay married to someone who totally disagrees with your standards. Just as I disagree that Michelle Obama said that she had not been proud of American until now, I believe that Cindy McCain's finances should be made public. I think it boils down to ethics and morals. Ethics and morals can be hidden for just so long and then they always seem to creep to the top.
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cindisue_g wrote:
Now wait a minute, isn't this a real double standard? When comments by Michelle Obama were quoted, everyone came back with she is not running for President, why are you using her comments and now it is okay to question what contributions are given out of Cindy McCain's personal assets - what does her personal finances have to do with this since she is not running for president?
Here's the logic. Michelle Obama will not be running our country. Michelle Obama will not be the co-president sharing the decision making with him.
John and Cindi McCain do share the decision as to how the money she earns is spent and how much to give to charity.
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cindisue_g wrote:
When it comes to caring about people - McCain gave 27.3 percent of his 2007 income, but those Democrats that want to raise your taxes to help everyone - Clinton gave 14.7 percent and Obama gave a mere 5.8 percent. Just proves the point, they want to give everyone free health care, they want to give illegal immigrants free benefits, but they don't personally want to help, they want all of us to pay for it.
Cindisue sweetie - you need a new calculator. Ths is a community property state. Cindi McCain's income IS John McCains income. What portion of her 100 million did he contribute?
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big guy wrote: cindisue_g wrote: big guy wrote: Bottom line Obama was clueless about what Wright was saying or he would have distanced himself immediately.
Call me clueless. Why would we ever want a president that was taken in for over 20 years by a anti-white, american hating, black separatist, anti-semitic. How clueless will he be in dealing with the presidents and prime ministers of other countries, when he was so easily taken in by a minister after listening to him for 20 years. This is the scariest thing I have ever heard. I want a democrat president that can hold his own with the rest of the world and won't be taken in by every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Obama is not clueless. He is a well educated, articulate man who listened to this crap for 20 years. No one forced him to go to this church, it was of his own free will. He gave the church thousands and thousands of dollars over the years, not to mention the majority of his charitable contributions went to other "black" only charities. He seems to stand behind the teaching of this church, to be committed to Africa. The only reason he denounced the good Reverend Wright was because the press got a hold of what he was all about and if he didn't he would have lost votes. According to Reverend Wright, even after Obama said he separated himself from him the first time, he was still involved with him. If McCain had been involved in a similar situation involving an anti-black church and if he donated the majority of his charitable contributions to white only charities, he would be run out of town on a rail.
I don't think McCain is perfect and given the opportunity I would vote for a Democrat over him. McCain might have given a large portion of his salary to charity, but what did Cindy McCain give. Her estimated worth is over 100 million dollars. Why won't he and Cindy file a joint return so that we can see what they gave in total to charity. The one thing I do agree with you about is that if McCain were in Obama's shoes he would be called a racists.
Now wait a minute, isn't this a real double standard? When comments by Michelle Obama were quoted, everyone came back with she is not running for President, why are you using her comments and now it is okay to question what contributions are given out of Cindy McCain's personal assets - what does her personal finances have to do with this since she is not running for president?
When it comes to caring about people - McCain gave 27.3 percent of his 2007 income, but those Democrats that want to raise your taxes to help everyone - Clinton gave 14.7 percent and Obama gave a mere 5.8 percent. Just proves the point, they want to give everyone free health care, they want to give illegal immigrants free benefits, but they don't personally want to help, they want all of us to pay for it.
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cindisue_g wrote: big guy wrote: Bottom line Obama was clueless about what Wright was saying or he would have distanced himself immediately.
Call me clueless. Why would we ever want a president that was taken in for over 20 years by a anti-white, american hating, black separatist, anti-semitic. How clueless will he be in dealing with the presidents and prime ministers of other countries, when he was so easily taken in by a minister after listening to him for 20 years. This is the scariest thing I have ever heard. I want a democrat president that can hold his own with the rest of the world and won't be taken in by every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Obama is not clueless. He is a well educated, articulate man who listened to this crap for 20 years. No one forced him to go to this church, it was of his own free will. He gave the church thousands and thousands of dollars over the years, not to mention the majority of his charitable contributions went to other "black" only charities. He seems to stand behind the teaching of this church, to be committed to Africa. The only reason he denounced the good Reverend Wright was because the press got a hold of what he was all about and if he didn't he would have lost votes. According to Reverend Wright, even after Obama said he separated himself from him the first time, he was still involved with him. If McCain had been involved in a similar situation involving an anti-black church and if he donated the majority of his charitable contributions to white only charities, he would be run out of town on a rail.
I don't think McCain is perfect and given the opportunity I would vote for a Democrat over him. McCain might have given a large portion of his salary to charity, but what did Cindy McCain give. Her estimated worth is over 100 million dollars. Why won't he and Cindy file a joint return so that we can see what they gave in total to charity. The one thing I do agree with you about is that if McCain were in Obama's shoes he would be called a racists.
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cindisue_g wrote:
..... The only reason he denounced the good Reverend Wright was because the press got a hold of what he was all about and if he didn't he would have lost votes.
Do you charge by the hour or prediction for your esp powers???
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big guy wrote: Bottom line Obama was clueless about what Wright was saying or he would have distanced himself immediately.
Call me clueless. Why would we ever want a president that was taken in for over 20 years by a anti-white, american hating, black separatist, anti-semitic. How clueless will he be in dealing with the presidents and prime ministers of other countries, when he was so easily taken in by a minister after listening to him for 20 years. This is the scariest thing I have ever heard. I want a democrat president that can hold his own with the rest of the world and won't be taken in by every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Obama is not clueless. He is a well educated, articulate man who listened to this crap for 20 years. No one forced him to go to this church, it was of his own free will. He gave the church thousands and thousands of dollars over the years, not to mention the majority of his charitable contributions went to other "black" only charities. He seems to stand behind the teaching of this church, to be committed to Africa. The only reason he denounced the good Reverend Wright was because the press got a hold of what he was all about and if he didn't he would have lost votes. According to Reverend Wright, even after Obama said he separated himself from him the first time, he was still involved with him. If McCain had been involved in a similar situation involving an anti-black church and if he donated the majority of his charitable contributions to white only charities, he would be run out of town on a rail.
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big guy wrote: Bottom line Obama was clueless about what Wright was saying or he would have distanced himself immediately.
Call me clueless. Why would we ever want a president that was taken in for over 20 years by a anti-white, american hating, black separatist, anti-semitic. How clueless will he be in dealing with the presidents and prime ministers of other countries, when he was so easily taken in by a minister after listening to him for 20 years. This is the scariest thing I have ever heard. I want a democrat president that can hold his own with the rest of the world and won't be taken in by every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Jeez if McCain will prostitute himself for votes, can you even imagine what he will do to embarrass us with other world leaders? (no pun intended)
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Bottom line Obama was clueless about what Wright was saying or he would have distanced himself immediately.
Call me clueless. Why would we ever want a president that was taken in for over 20 years by a anti-white, american hating, black separatist, anti-semitic. How clueless will he be in dealing with the presidents and prime ministers of other countries, when he was so easily taken in by a minister after listening to him for 20 years. This is the scariest thing I have ever heard. I want a democrat president that can hold his own with the rest of the world and won't be taken in by every Tom, Dick and Harry.
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cindisue_g wrote:
- Someone attending a church for over 20 years and then after 20 years they denounce what their Reverend has been saying. This is after they attended services over and over again and donated thousands of dollars to the church.
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- Someone accepting the endorsement of a Reverend for which the candidate has never attended their church and has said that they don't believe in everything they stand for.
Bottom line Obama was clueless about what Wright was saying or he would have distanced himself immediately. Innocently sought spiritual counseling from Wright, but never begged for an endorsement from him because he didn't need it.
McCain prostituded himself for a precious "endorsement" from not one, but several spiritual people. He just needed a little "fix" from them to get votes. But instead of smoking a cigarette afterwards, he said he didn't agree with them.
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blackjack wrote: it's a shame that so much effort is being put forth to defend obama when he won't be the nominee anyway....
You may want to turn your tv to CNN. 
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cindisue_g wrote: cindisue_g wrote:
Surprisemotherof2, sorry it seems as though someone else tried to respond for you, so I though I would send my questions to you again.
Surprisemotherof2 I look forward to "your" answer.
I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been watching the coverage of Obama winning North Carolina by a huge margin and so far coming within a 4 percent differential in Indiana.
Anyway, here is what I wrote earlier in case you didn't get to see it. Don't you just love You Tube!
READ MCCAIN'S LIPS!!!!!!!!!
McCain said he is pleased to accept Hagee's nomination.
crackpot John Hagee & senile MC Cain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeBsdSGZx4&NR=1
McCain EMBRACES wacko NEOCON PASTOR Hagee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-Gx6JmnoU READ HIS LIPS!!!!!!!!! (John McCain Praising Rod Parsley in Cincinnati----- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvjqzc0ZGtI ) calling Rob Parsley a moral compass, great leader of America, SPIRITUAL GUIDE, etc. And then he thanks him for his leadership and his guidance...
By the way, OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!!!!
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max22 wrote: got that right dwig...the truth to some on here is the root of all evil...
McCain sought the endorsement of Hagee and Parsley...these two are extremists right wing religious wacko's...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803250012
Here's more from this wack-job...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA
McCain has said...""when [Hagee] endorses me, it does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for or believes in."
But yet some here have blasted Obama after he has said pretty much the same thing...
Hypocrites...that's all I have left say about it...
max22, how is there any correlation between the following:
- Someone attending a church for over 20 years and then after 20 years they denounce what their Reverend has been saying. This is after they attended services over and over again and donated thousands of dollars to the church.
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- Someone accepting the endorsement of a Reverend for which the candidate has never attended their church and has said that they don't believe in everything they stand for.
Talk about a double standard!
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got that right dwig...the truth to some on here is the root of all evil...
McCain sought the endorsement of Hagee and Parsley...these two are extremists right wing religious wacko's...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803250012
Here's more from this wack-job...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA
McCain has said...""when [Hagee] endorses me, it does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for or believes in."
But yet some here have blasted Obama after he has said pretty much the same thing...
Hypocrites...that's all I have left say about it...
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surprisemotherof2 - some people just can't handle the truth!
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In all fairness to surprisemotherof2 haven't you noticed she is not a member of any organized political party. She's a democrat.
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cindisue_g wrote: surprisemotherof2 wrote: cindisue_g wrote:
Raz, again it all boils down to it is okay with these people that a Democrat running for an office can associate himself with any kind of lowlife out there; listening to racists hatred remarks for over 20 years, so get use to it. They can't defend him using logic or true facts, so they will resort to name calling. These people would defend Obama if he comes out and says there is no such thing as New Years Day.
Raz and Cindi, again it all boils down to it is okay with these people that a Rebuplican running for an office can associate himself with any kind of lowlife out there; They can't defend him using logic or true facts, so they will resort to name calling. These people would defend McCain if he comes out and says there is no such thing as New Years Day.
surprisemotherof2 what are you accusing McCain of please give concrete facts that can be backed up. If you are saying he attended a church that believes in white separatism and can prove it, then I think he is as bad as Obama.
A few questions for you: Did Obama attend the Trinity Church for over 20years? Yes or No. Does Reverend Wright preach black separatism? Yes or No. Is Reverend Wright a racists? Yes Or No. Does Reverend Wright preach anti-American hatred? Yes Or No. Did Obama sit in the pew at Trinity Church Sunday after Sunday? Yes or No. Did Obama give thousands of dollars to the Trinity church each year? Yes or No. These are very simple questions; all that can be answered by a yes or a no.
Surprisemotherof2, sorry it seems as though someone else tried to respond for you, so I though I would send my questions to you again.
Surprisemotherof2 I look forward to "your" answer.
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cindisue_g wrote:
surprisemotherof2 what are you accusing McCain of please give concrete facts that can be backed up.
OK Raz, it doesn't matter where I found it on the net, it's all over the net. Do you want me to cut and paste everything I can find out about it. The Rev. P was asked to appear with McCain and endorse him in Cincinnati back in February at a campaign rally. He did it because Huckabee was so popular with the evangelical christians - who elected Bush in 04. If you want me to change my terminology, I can. McCain used Hagee and Parsley to get votes. He didn't care what they said or believed in. He didn't bother to check them out first. It's going to come out big time, if Hillary is nominated. I would put money on that.
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| it's a shame that so much effort is being put forth to defend obama when he won't be the nominee anyway. let's face it, who wants to be associated with someone who likes to hang around with people who hate america? well I guess there are probably some people who it wouldn't bother.
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surprisemotherof2 wrote: deuce wrote: No originality here: "Right after the World Trade Center came tumbling down . . ., Mr. Wright said that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” If those words have a familiar ring, it may be because they were used back in 1963 by Malcolm X to describe the assassination of President John F. Kennedy." nyt
What does this have to do with Obama anyway??? Is this just another feeble attempt to cloud the real issues??? Obama stands on his own and you shouldn't try to imply anthing else.... It only weakens your credibility
Why not? Obama has demonstrated he is a poor judge of character (Jerry Wright). His handling of this matter calls into question his integrity, forthrightness and honesty. Things which will hurt his candidacy . . . the "real" issues aside. This contest isn't about issues. There isn't a dimes worth of difference between Obama and Hillary on the major issues.
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surprisemotherof2 wrote: cindisue_g wrote:
Raz, again it all boils down to it is okay with these people that a Democrat running for an office can associate himself with any kind of lowlife out there; listening to racists hatred remarks for over 20 years, so get use to it. They can't defend him using logic or true facts, so they will resort to name calling. These people would defend Obama if he comes out and says there is no such thing as New Years Day.
Raz and Cindi, again it all boils down to it is okay with these people that a Rebuplican running for an office can associate himself with any kind of lowlife out there; They can't defend him using logic or true facts, so they will resort to name calling. These people would defend McCain if he comes out and says there is no such thing as New Years Day.
surprisemotherof2 what are you accusing McCain of please give concrete facts that can be backed up. If you are saying he attended a church that believes in white separatism and can prove it, then I think he is as bad as Obama.
A few questions for you: Did Obama attend the Trinity Church for over 20years? Yes or No. Does Reverend Wright preach black separatism? Yes or No. Is Reverend Wright a racists? Yes Or No. Does Reverend Wright preach anti-American hatred? Yes Or No. Did Obama sit in the pew at Trinity Church Sunday after Sunday? Yes or No. Did Obama give thousands of dollars to the Trinity church each year? Yes or No. These are very simple questions; all that can be answered by a yes or a no.
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cindisue_g wrote:
Raz, again it all boils down to it is okay with these people that a Democrat running for an office can associate himself with any kind of lowlife out there; listening to racists hatred remarks for over 20 years, so get use to it. They can't defend him using logic or true facts, so they will resort to name calling. These people would defend Obama if he comes out and says there is no such thing as New Years Day.
Raz and Cindi, again it all boils down to it is okay with these people that a Rebuplican running for an office can associate himself with any kind of lowlife out there; They can't defend him using logic or true facts, so they will resort to name calling. These people would defend McCain if he comes out and says there is no such thing as New Years Day.
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razenkn wrote:
SM2 -- No need for personal attacks, I know you are very frustrated with your candidate as you should be but please do not take it out on me. I'm not the one who told him to hang with those people. And for the record I never said Barack agreed with Louis Farrakhan, I believe I was referring to the infamous wackadoodle Rev Wright's association with the militant Farrakhan, hence the connection to Trinity Church hence the connection to Obama, phew. Kind of like one big rubberband ball isn't it? But I wouldn't be too quick to take Obama's declaration about not agreeing with Farrakhan because he also suddenly doesn't agree with REV Wright either, but apparently he had no problem with him for the past 20 years, so you might want to take that with a grain of salt.
However, Please read the above caption. The name of this thread is "WILL THE REAL BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA PLEASE STAND UP" not McCain talks to wacko pastor. He can talk to whomever he likes, if this was Obama just talking to a wacko pastor, we wouldn't be having this conversation as I have said on many, many, many occasions. And you know that.
Again, pointing to other's poor judgement's (not saying that is the case with McCain because I haven't cared enough to research it) to justify Obama's poor judgement. That is what third grader's do.
Raz, again it all boils down to it is okay with these people that a Democrat running for an office can associate himself with any kind of lowlife out there; listening to racists hatred remarks for over 20 years, so get use to it. They can't defend him using logic or true facts, so they will resort to name calling. These people would defend Obama if he comes out and says there is no such thing as New Years Day.
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deuce wrote: No originality here: "Right after the World Trade Center came tumbling down . . ., Mr. Wright said that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” If those words have a familiar ring, it may be because they were used back in 1963 by Malcolm X to describe the assassination of President John F. Kennedy." nyt
What does this have to do with Obama anyway??? Is this just another feeble attempt to cloud the real issues??? Obama stands on his own and you shouldn't try to imply anthing else.... It only weakens your credibility.
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deuce wrote: No originality here: "Right after the World Trade Center came tumbling down . . ., Mr. Wright said that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” If those words have a familiar ring, it may be because they were used back in 1963 by Malcolm X to describe the assassination of President John F. Kennedy." nyt
...and those thoughts were also expressed by Rev. Jerry Falwell who had supported Bush and whose support had been welcomed by Bush...I'm sure not posting it was just an oversight on your part.
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deuce wrote: No originality here: "Right after the World Trade Center came tumbling down . . ., Mr. Wright said that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” If those words have a familiar ring, it may be because they were used back in 1963 by Malcolm X to describe the assassination of President John F. Kennedy." nyt
December 4 , 1963
note - this speech was delivered before Malcolm left the Nation of Islam and accepted true Islam -- so his views in this speech do not reflect his own or those he held near the end of his life.
This speech is sometimes called "The Chickens Come Home To Roost," because of an answer Malcolm X gave in response to a question following the speech. The question concerned the late President John Kennedy. It was Malcolm X's answer, that the Presidents death was a case of "chickens coming home to roost" -- that the violence that Kennedy had failed to stop had come back to him, this resulted in the Elijah Muhammad silencing him. Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam a short time later.
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deuce wrote: No originality here: "Right after the World Trade Center came tumbling down . . ., Mr. Wright said that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” If those words have a familiar ring, it may be because they were used back in 1963 by Malcolm X to describe the assassination of President John F. Kennedy." nyt
So what are you implying now??? Do you have a point?? Obama denounced Farrakhan's beliefs. Obama denounced Wright's beliefs.
AND what do you have to say about all of the hateful things that Hagee and Falwell have said-- MCCAIN originally said he agrees with them.
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No originality here: "Right after the World Trade Center came tumbling down . . ., Mr. Wright said that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” If those words have a familiar ring, it may be because they were used back in 1963 by Malcolm X to describe the assassination of President John F. Kennedy." nyt
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razenkn wrote:
Ok Dwig, now I have to ask where you got this information, again if there were any legitimacy to this it would be plastered on the front page of all the liberal newspapers and it would be on CNN news bulletins so again I am very suspect. Remember, you said McCain was calling Hagee his "spiritual advisor" also and of course there was no proof of that. No doubt this guy is out there too but what does that have to do with this topic?
This thread is about Barack Obama, not John McCain. There is another thread on here for him so even though you continue to attempt to distract this topic at hand is understandable, I'm sure you don't want us talking about the anti American Wright or Ayers connection with Obama any more, but the topic is about Obama.
Now I don't know this Rev Parsley but I have heard Planned Parenthood has taken several phone calls (set ups ofcourse by Pro Lifer's) asking if they could sponsor an abortion in order to decrease the black population and the receptionists (two different occasions) said understandable, understandable and sure. So there is some meat to that argument that one should be asking questions about, perhaps it's not as nutty as it sounds, I don't know. I heard the tapes for myself and the conversation was fairly dispicable. He brings the government into it because they help fund PP with millions of taxpayers dollars. This would be a great topic for another thread.
Also remember that Obama is a huge supporter of abortion and even partial birth abortion. He wouldn't want his girls to get "punished" with a baby if they should get pregnant in their teens and he sees nothing wrong with crushing the skull of third term b
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