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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 01:42 pm |
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| Raz, I would like to ask you a hypothetical question. If John McCain or any other Republican candidate would have attended a white separatist church for 20 years (one that spewed hatred for any race other than Caucasian) what do you think the Democrats would be saying. I find it so funny that if the shoe was on the other foot, you would be able to hear those Democrats crying foul all over the world. It would be in every newspaper, on every TV station all day long. John McCain is endorsed by a minister and all of a sudden, he is his spiritual advisor, even though there is no proof that he ever even attend his church and the Democrats are all over it like there is no tomorrow. If the Democrats practiced what they preached, it would probably be a better world, but from what I have seen from them it will never happen.
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razenkn wrote:
Let's get down to brass tacks here Dwig. You are not stupid and neither am I and neither are most clear thinking Americans. You can't possibly tell me and Obama can't tell me with a straight face that he and his family sat in this church for 20 years, having a close familial friendship relationship with this Pastor, he was well known before Barack showed up at his door step as being outspoken and believed in black liberation theology, US KKA and GD America, so where's the mistake here?
Either Obama is incredibly naive and just plain stupid or he knew what he was listening to and aligned himself with the black liberation church he attended. You people need to stop insulting the intelligence of the rest of us out here. The gig is up, we get it. Barack needed the Rev Wright to get street cred, he was the black out there in left field that had been raised by a white mother and white grandparents attending a private prep school in Hawaii and attended Columbia and Harvard as an adult.
Obama needed this particular church in order to advance his political career because they were the largest black church in Chicago. No mystery there. He needed to start building his base. Barack is an attorney, do you think for a minute he didn't really know what he was getting into before choosing the church? Do you think that Obama lived on the South side of Chicago? Have you ever been on the south side of Chicago? He went out of his way to choose this particular church and this particular pastor because he knew their support would be invaluable by just sheer numbers and the contact base of Rev Wright. And it worked.
He obviously saw nothing wrong with his "friendly relationship" (according to his own campaign) with William Ayers and his wife the terrorist couple and his crazy wackadoodle REV Wright for 20 years. Then there was that little incident with the questionable financial deal with Tony Rezko. He even admitted it was some bad decision making.
What else do you need to hear to question his belief system, have you not heard his wife speak? She is as about as an angry American as I've heard for quite a long while, I didn't know people still felt that bitter. But according to Barack, they do but I think it lies more in their own camp than in small town America.
These people aren't being honest about who they really are and until they come clean with how they really believe, I will continue to talk about it. He has a great potential to become my President, that gives me the right. Obama has been disingenuous about his associations, first he denies knowing their beliefs, then he knows but understands and loves them anyway so he can't disown them, then he understands and throws them under the bus.
There is a consistent pattern of deception here and if we don't question it, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. He's not going to be just your President, he will be mine too and between you and me, I for one am extremely circumspect. Hopefully he will be able to explain all of these dubious associations away, but he hasn't so far.
The only mistake made here is his inability to come clean.
I like your speech Raz, but you didn't answer my question. So it's OK to associate yourself with bad people (Hagee/McCain) as long as you put a time limit on it?
BTW, I grew up in the city of Chicago. He went to that CHURCH; he did not go there for that particular pastor (who by the way was one of many). Guess who else attended that church on the low class side of Chicago - OPRAH.
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| Did you hear the latest from Larry King? Question to Jon Stewart: "So do you think the country is ready for a black president or woman president?" Stewart's reply: "That is such a non-question. Did anyone ask us in 2000 if the country was ready for a moron?"
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| So: RAZ is still alternating between Wright bashing and Michelle Obama bashing...this is so pitiful. RAZ: in the words of your hero's dada, "read my lips" ..Michelle is not running for President: Rev. Wright is not running for President...and as she declares below, to the relief of both Democrats and Republicans, CindySu is not running for President...altho she thinks she could be a better one than McBush. Last edited on Tue May 6th, 2008 04:37 am by
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 04:28 am |
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Let's get down to brass tacks here Dwig. You are not stupid and neither am I and neither are most clear thinking Americans. You can't possibly tell me and Obama can't tell me with a straight face that he and his family sat in this church for 20 years, having a close familial friendship relationship with this Pastor, he was well known before Barack showed up at his door step as being outspoken and believed in black liberation theology, US KKA and GD America, so where's the mistake here?
Either Obama is incredibly naive and just plain stupid or he knew what he was listening to and aligned himself with the black liberation church he attended. You people need to stop insulting the intelligence of the rest of us out here. The gig is up, we get it. Barack needed the Rev Wright to get street cred, he was the black out there in left field that had been raised by a white mother and white grandparents attending a private prep school in Hawaii and attended Columbia and Harvard as an adult.
Obama needed this particular church in order to advance his political career because they were the largest black church in Chicago. No mystery there. He needed to start building his base. Barack is an attorney, do you think for a minute he didn't really know what he was getting into before choosing the church? Do you think that Obama lived on the South side of Chicago? Have you ever been on the south side of Chicago? He went out of his way to choose this particular church and this particular pastor because he knew their support would be invaluable by just sheer numbers and the contact base of Rev Wright. And it worked.
He obviously saw nothing wrong with his "friendly relationship" (according to his own campaign) with William Ayers and his wife the terrorist couple and his crazy wackadoodle REV Wright for 20 years. Then there was that little incident with the questionable financial deal with Tony Rezko. He even admitted it was some bad decision making.
What else do you need to hear to question his belief system, have you not heard his wife speak? She is as about as an angry American as I've heard for quite a long while, I didn't know people still felt that bitter. But according to Barack, they do but I think it lies more in their own camp than in small town America.
These people aren't being honest about who they really are and until they come clean with how they really believe, I will continue to talk about it. He has a great potential to become my President, that gives me the right. Obama has been disingenuous about his associations, first he denies knowing their beliefs, then he knows but understands and loves them anyway so he can't disown them, then he understands and throws them under the bus.
There is a consistent pattern of deception here and if we don't question it, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. He's not going to be just your President, he will be mine too and between you and me, I for one am extremely circumspect. Hopefully he will be able to explain all of these dubious associations away, but he hasn't so far.
The only mistake made here is his inability to come clean.
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So there's a limit to "how much" you can associate yourself with bad people if you are running for President. Who determined that? Is it a week, a month, a few years?
Raz, Obama made a huge mistake but I don't believe he knew he was doing it. McCain made the same mistake, but got lucky and realized it before it got huge. Same mistake, a little less huge. What's the difference? The Republicans are making a big deal about it because they want to get elected. The Democrats will pull out Hagee when they need to beat McCain. I just wish we didn't have to go through all this negativity, because it takes so much away from what their platform is. It's so hard to sort through the details of their plans when all of this is taking over.
They both "associated themselves with the wrong people" and claim they didn't realize it. It will go away soon and they will have something bigger and better to fight about. It's the luck of the draw as to which of the three of them will be "outed" about something in their past. I have to admire these three candidates and their families with a huge amount of respect just for the fact that they would go through this to serve our country. They are all wealthy and don't need the money or the exposure. They are all great people and we (Americans) will be just fine with any of them. Some of us may have less in our bank account, but I think the country as a whole will heal the wounds of GWB and come back strong.
If you can honestly tell me that you believe Obama agrees with this man, or even knew about ALL of the terrible things he said, then I've given you too much credit for being an intelligent, articulate, debater.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 12:49 am |
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But Raz you trash every single published article on the world wide web, unless it says something you want to hear.
You say McCain didn't know about this Hagee guy, but you don't know that. Of course he's going to say he didn't know much about him. He should have done his homework and found out about him before he opened his mouth.
You know as well as I do dwig there are many far left websites that do nothing but dish trash on everybody they disagree with and have no interest whether it's the truth or not but if that is who you choose to believe, I can't help that, I can just express my opinion.
To correct your above statement, I didn't say that. I said "You could be right about that Dwig, there probably is a good chance that McCain didn't know who Hagee was when he came out saying he supported him"
But I don't really care if he knew or not because as long as he wasn't sitting in the pew for 20 years listening to the wackadoodle's sermons and philosophy, wasn't entranced by him as Obama claimed he was by Wright, he didn't marry him and Cindy, and didn't baptize their children and treated him as a member of the family, then it is fairly inconsequential don't you think? McCain wasn't even a member of the church and by all accounts, he didn't have any kind of a relationship with him in the past, so again that is comparing apples to oranges.
Besides, since when does pointing to other bad behavior justify bad judgement?
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sometimes rational wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Raz, when are you going to figure it out. If a Democrat does something it is okay, but God forbid a Republican does it.
How on God's earth could anyone consider an endorsement of a candidate the same as a candidate that has listened to his pastor for over 20 years. I do believe, however, if I were McCain, I would have said thanks but no thanks on the endorsement, but that is just me. Just as I would have walked out of Trinity Church during Wrights first sermon.
cindysu--we have listened to you for more than 2 years...should anyone hold that against us?
sometimes rational, I'm not running for President. Listening a man of the cloth preach racism and separatism is unfathomable, especially for someone who wants to represent all the people of the United States.
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cindisue_g wrote: Raz, when are you going to figure it out. If a Democrat does something it is okay, but God forbid a Republican does it.
How on God's earth could anyone consider an endorsement of a candidate the same as a candidate that has listened to his pastor for over 20 years. I do believe, however, if I were McCain, I would have said thanks but no thanks on the endorsement, but that is just me. Just as I would have walked out of Trinity Church during Wrights first sermon.
cindysu--we have listened to you for more than 2 years...should anyone hold that against us?
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dwig222 wrote: razenkn wrote:
Dwig, I would have thought you were above going to Huffington Post to get your information. She is making millions off of people like you and she smirks about it. She knows she's being dishonest but she found her market and she is reveling it.
. I would think you would be saying great things about Obama in the hope that eveyone will listen and nominate him.
DWIG: these girls are Rush's flunkies..he has told them to diss Obama because they think Hillary is more beatable...SM@ is right..wait til we decide who gets nominated...then the the dirt will fly..and mcBush's vacation will be over.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 09:34 pm |
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Raz, when are you going to figure it out. If a Democrat does something it is okay, but God forbid a Republican does it.
How on God's earth could anyone consider an endorsement of a candidate the same as a candidate that has listened to his pastor for over 20 years. I do believe, however, if I were McCain, I would have said thanks but no thanks on the endorsement, but that is just me. Just as I would have walked out of Trinity Church during Wrights first sermon.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 08:37 pm |
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razenkn wrote:
Dwig, I would have thought you were above going to Huffington Post to get your information. She is making millions off of people like you and she smirks about it. She knows she's being dishonest but she found her market and she is reveling it.
But Raz you trash every single published article on the world wide web, unless it says something you want to hear.
You say McCain didn't know about this Hagee guy, but you don't know that. Of course he's going to say he didn't know much about him. He should have done his homework and found out about him before he opened his mouth.
The bottom line for me is that the three of them have and will continue to make mistakes. I don't care. I want to know what they are going to do in the future. Hillary is very sneaky about her punches. She just came out with a very negative ad about Obama a few hours ago - right before the primary. She is going to give McCain heart failure if she is the nominee. I would think you would be saying great things about Obama in the hope that eveyone will listen and nominate him.
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dwig222 wrote: Here is a quote from the man himself - McCain
"Well I think it's important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in." I know your response to this is that McCain does not support or agree with everything Hagee says, but isn't that what Obama is saying also? Have you read about this guy? Why would McCain even be on the same stage with him. You know why? Because he didn't know about this guy. He made a mistake and so did Obama.
AND Razen's reply is: Besides, don't you think if there was any real meat to the McCain story that it would have been front page news on the NYT months ago?
I say, don't waste your breath Dwig, Razen will never admit to anything, he will only continue to spew his ignorance.... I agree with you though, candidates make mistakes and we shouldn't judge McCain totally because of his allignment with Hagee/Fallwell as we wouldn't want anyone to think Obama's ideas are the same as Wright's.... It would be refreshing if people would actually discuss what the CANDIDATES feel about something.
IT IS EXTREMELY INTERESTING HOW PEOPLE ARE SO QUICK TO DEFEND MCCAIN REGARDING HIS SPIRITUAL ADVISOR AND NOT OBAMA. The media enjoys Obama getting knocked around but doesn't make such a big deal about McCain, probably because McCain isn't in the fight yet while Obama/Clinton are trying to get their nomination. I assure you that once there is a party announced, ALL of this dirt will come flying out about McCain. What will people say then???
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 08:02 pm |
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dwig wrote...
I know your response to this is that McCain does not support or agree with everything Hagee says, but isn't that what Obama is saying also? Have you read about this guy? Why would McCain even be on the same stage with him. You know why? Because he didn't know about this guy. He made a mistake and so did Obama.
You could be right about that Dwig, there probably is a good chance that McCain didn't know who Hagee was when he came out saying he supported him. But your analogy that he made a mistake because he didn't know is the same mistake Obama made is wrong.
Obama did know, it was not a mistake and listened to the man for 20 years up close and personal. It only became a "mistake" when Wright came out and said that Obama is only denouncing him for political reasons. In other words, Obama is lying about their association and what he knew and what he believes to get elected.
So which one of them is lying? Obama or his Pastor of 20 years?
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 07:56 pm |
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Dwig, I would have thought you were above going to Huffington Post to get your information. She is making millions off of people like you and she smirks about it. She knows she's being dishonest but she found her market and she is reveling it.
Remember, she and her politician husband were republicans until they got a divorce, then she suddenly saw the light and became a die hard democrat and started rolling in the bucks bashing her ex husband's party. She just wrote a book and it's all about how the far right fringe has hijacked America, and it's policies and she names of all people - Bill O'Reilly in that grouping who is just as apt to go after a conservative as he is a liberal. But she doesn't like Bill because he calls her on her dishonesty and some of her dispicable posts like they were sorry that Tony Snow didn't die from his cancer and they can't wait for Nancy Regan to die, etc. The more outrageous posts she has the more attention it gets her book. So, don't take her information to the bank.
Besides, don't you think if there was any real meat to the McCain story that it would have been front page news on the NYT months ago?
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 07:47 pm |
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Here is a quote from the man himself - McCain
"Well I think it's important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in."
I know your response to this is that McCain does not support or agree with everything Hagee says, but isn't that what Obama is saying also? Have you read about this guy? Why would McCain even be on the same stage with him. You know why? Because he didn't know about this guy. He made a mistake and so did Obama.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 07:28 pm |
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razenkn wrote:
You're correct Dwig you didn't imply it, you just came right out and stated it as fact ..."he just became affiliated with his as his spiritual advisor".....which is completely a false claim. McCain just wants his constituent's votes, typical politician. If Obama only was being endorsed by Wright, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Those of us who are concerned enough about this issue and continue to bring it up is about Obama's affiliation with the black liberation belief system in respect to his view of our country that has been preached to him for 20 years, nothing to do with religion.
Raz, I could pull up lots of links that point to this guy as McCain's spiritual advisor. I realize it wasn't a 20 year relationship, but it was a lot more than what you would like us to believe.
What about Rod Parsley?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mccain-spiritual-guide-ac_n_92757.html
Hillary probably has a file as wide as the Mississipi River with stuff like this about McCain. She's way too smart to let these things slip under the radar.
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razenkn wrote: dwig222 wrote: He is not nearly as associated with this guy as Obama was with Wright. I didn't mean to imply that.
You're correct Dwig you didn't imply it, you just came right out and stated it as fact ..."he just became affiliated with his as his spiritual advisor".....which is completely a false claim. McCain just wants his constituent's votes, typical politician. If Obama only was being endorsed by Wright, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Puleeze, RAZ, you tripped over a makeup table getting to the PC when the Wright story broke....the plain truth is this: there are a overwhelming number of wacko pastors in the country looking for their 15 of fame..One difference who is that Obama didn't seek the support of Wright...McBush welcomed the support of Aldoph.
Those of us who are concerned enough about this issue and continue to bring it up is about Obama's affiliation with the black liberation belief system in respect to his view of our country that has been preached to him for 20 years, nothing to do with religion.
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dwig222 wrote: He is not nearly as associated with this guy as Obama was with Wright. I didn't mean to imply that.
You're correct Dwig you didn't imply it, you just came right out and stated it as fact ..."he just became affiliated with his as his spiritual advisor".....which is completely a false claim. McCain just wants his constituent's votes, typical politician. If Obama only was being endorsed by Wright, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Those of us who are concerned enough about this issue and continue to bring it up is about Obama's affiliation with the black liberation belief system in respect to his view of our country that has been preached to him for 20 years, nothing to do with religion.
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I think his win in North Carolina will give him a big boost. The Wright issue is dying down. I think after Tuesday we will see him gain in the polls.
On the other hand, if he doesn't win NC, Hillary will feast on it.
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cindisue_g wrote: sometimes rational, you obviusly don't get the jest of the fact that this topic is about
Barack Obama. If you would like to create a topic all about me, go ahead.
Back to the real topic, Obama's campaign is stumbling a little and now he leads the polls by only 1 point. Why is his lead in the overall polls is decreasing. Well it all started going down hill have Reverend Wright started his TV appearances and it woke people up about Obama attending Wrights church for 20 years. Obama's other problem is with the blue collar works, you know the ones he said were frustrated with the economy and carried guns and went to church. I watched a little of his and Hillary's recent speeches - looks like Hillary she is gaining some steam in her speech, while I though Obama looked a little tentative.
I did see that it is neck and neck in Indiana and Obama still leads North Carolina by 8 points. I watched both speeches and didn't get the same feeling you did. I thought they both did pretty well.
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He is not nearly as associated with this guy as Obama was with Wright. I didn't mean to imply that.
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dwig222 wrote: Here's the AZ Republic article on it:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0504sunlets041.html
I've seen several articles on it this morning. They all describe his relationship with McCain differently. If you google his name like this "Rev. John Hagee" you will see many articles.
I did google him, but I still don't understand how he is his "spiritual adviser" - it says that Hagee endorsed him, but other than that how do you connect him to McCain the way Wright is connected to Obama?
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Far be it for me to defend McCain, but this is more of a "let's make sure we are telling the whole story here" statement. Dwig is comparing apples to oranges on this one. This "tell all" article is from an Op Ed piece by the AZ Rep which I thought you guys thought never told the truth, but then that is another thread. Anyway, there is a multitude of wackadoodle pastors and preachers out there and some of them will endorse the candidates and unless they have killed somebody, the candidates will probably look the other way which is called POLITICS 101.
The obvious difference here is John McCain did not sit in Hagee's pew for 20 years, Hagee didn't perform his marriage ceremony or baptize his children, or he didn't write a book using one of Hagee's wacked out sermons for inspiration so nice try, but no cigar on this one.
Here is the Op Ed piece written by an Obama supporter.....
GOP's firebrands fly under the radar
May. 4, 2008 12:00 AM
Regarding "Preacher from hell" by syndicated columnist Eugene Robinson, (Opinions, Tuesday):
The preachings of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright range from the repugnant to the revolting, but Barack Obama disinvited him from his campaign in March 2007.
By contrast, when John McCain was campaigning in May 2007, he changed his tune on the Rev. Jerry Falwell, calling him "a man of distinguished accomplishment" after having previously called him an "agent of intolerance." Falwell had preached on national television that the attack of 9/11 occurred because God had allowed "the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve" as a punishment against feminists, gays, and lesbians.
Furthermore, in February, candidate McCain sought the support of the Rev. John Hagee, who preached that God had sent Hurricane Katrina to destroy New Orleans because of its gay and lesbian population. The Rev. Hagee also preaches that the end of the world is imminent, and that the United States should hasten its coming by starting a war against Iran!
The lunacies of the Rev. Falwell and the Rev. Hagee deserve the same press as those of the Rev. Wright. - Maurice Wolfthal,Tempe
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Here's the AZ Republic article on it:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0504sunlets041.html
I've seen several articles on it this morning. They all describe his relationship with McCain differently. If you google his name like this "Rev. John Hagee" you will see many articles.
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dwig222 wrote: No he was not a member of the church. He just became affiliated with him as a "spiritual advisor".
I re-read the article and it said that he endorsed McCain. Are you sure that he is McCains "spiritual advisor" - where did you get that information, I don't see it anywhere on the article. Is there another web site I can go on to do more research? Obama went to Trinity Church with Reverend Wright for over 20 years, I'm not sure I understand how having someone endorse a candidate is the same thing. Please explain.
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No he was not a member of the church. He just became affiliated with him as a "spiritual advisor".
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dwig222 wrote: No wonder McCain has been keeping his mouth shut about Wright. This story is all over the country this morning.
Here's the link, it wouldn't copy and paste.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/6914
Are you saying that John McClain is a member of this church. How many years has he attended worship there. Somehow I think I read he was from a different persuasion, but I could be wrong.
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No wonder McCain has been keeping his mouth shut about Wright. This story is all over the country this morning.
Here's the link, it wouldn't copy and paste.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/6914
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sometimes rational, you obviusly don't get the jest of the fact that this topic is about
Barack Obama. If you would like to create a topic all about me, go ahead.
Back to the real topic, Obama's campaign is stumbling a little and now he leads the polls by only 1 point. Why is his lead in the overall polls is decreasing. Well it all started going down hill have Reverend Wright started his TV appearances and it woke people up about Obama attending Wrights church for 20 years. Obama's other problem is with the blue collar works, you know the ones he said were frustrated with the economy and carried guns and went to church. I watched a little of his and Hillary's recent speeches - looks like Hillary she is gaining some steam in her speech, while I though Obama looked a little tentative.
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cindisue_g wrote: sometimes rational my little punkin head, would love to keep bantering with you, but the dog needs to go out. And yes, Fox News will run and rerun everything, because the nation has to know the Real Barack Obama, so that hopefully he doesn't get a foot in the White House.
and your $750 donation to Eve's Place? I refuse to believe you changed your mind...not my little love machine.
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| sometimes rational my little punkin head, would love to keep bantering with you, but the dog needs to go out. And yes, Fox News will run and rerun everything, because the nation has to know the Real Barack Obama, so that hopefully he doesn't get a foot in the White House.
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cindisue_g wrote: sometimes rational wrote: So, just to clarify, Cindy, some pastor (you don't know who) said on Fox, he thinks Wright spewed hate. Wow! Incredible story, Cin, and thanks very much for sharing that,,,I wonder how the other networks missed it?
thanks for clarifying honey bunny, I'll try to get the name for you, but I'm sure if you keep watching Fox News, that's channel 47, they will play it again and again and again. So that all the Democrats will see it. awhttp://www...I'm your wittle hunny bunny...I wove that...and I haven't believed much of what you post BUT I do believe you're 100% correct that Fox will run and rerun that Ayers non-story til Karl Rove tells them not to...by the way, that $750 donation to Eves Place you were asked to make following your claim...funny we haven't heard from you...ahhh..right..the check is in da mail.
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sometimes rational wrote: So, just to clarify, Cindy, some pastor (you don't know who) said on Fox, he thinks Wright spewed hate. Wow! Incredible story, Cin, and thanks very much for sharing that,,,I wonder how the other networks missed it?
thanks for clarifying honey bunny, I'll try to get the name for you, but I'm sure if you keep watching Fox News, that's channel 47, they will play it again and again and again. So that all the Democrats will see it.
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So, just to clarify, Cindy, some pastor (you don't know who) said on Fox, he thinks Wright spewed hate. Wow! Incredible story, Cin, and thanks very much for sharing that,,,I wonder how the other networks missed it?
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razenkn wrote:
The Obama campaign is now demanding the networks drop the REV Wright controversy and focus on his campaign. WOW. That's fairly brassy don't you think? Who is he to dictate to anyone what they can and can't do? I'm sure he would like it to disappear but that isn't too likely. However, there are bigger fish to fry with the William Ayers relationship, actually I'm surprised there hasn't been more of an outcry over it than the Wright. Maybe it's because Ayers is trying to lay low since he should be in prison and by the grace of God he and his lovely terrorist wife slipped through the cracks and he is now teaching our kids at the University of Illionois how to hate our country and what a hero he was. Amazing isn't it??
If you haven't had a chance to listen to this video, it will explain the connection. I thought it worth repeating another time, only because it's beyond belief.
http://www.foxnews.com//video2/video08.html?videoId=8cdaefcc-eec7-49af-be66-8fae527406c9&sMPlaylistID=
It's like 1992 all over again, only this guy has associations with terrorists not just young, pretty girls.
Raz, not sure of the name of the Reverend that was on Fox News tonight, but he admitted that it is pure hate that the good Reverend Wright is spewing and that it does not belong in the church (this is what Obama listened to for 20 years). And by the way the Reverend was black. The Reverend was asked that if a white Minister said basically what the good Reverend Wright said, but about whites what would the church say. His response was that he would think they are racists and the police should be called. I missed the man on the street interviews, but I heard one and he agreed that the Wright alliance should be part of the campaign coverage.
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Reactr wrote: Obama is the Pied Piper and the lead lemming heading his followers off a massive cliff.
It's obvious you girls would rather have Hillary to contend with against McBush in November than Obama...but we're now looking at 30 year old dirt?? and still you all find nothing positive to say about McBush...guess we can't find fault with the majority of his votes in the Senate since he missed more than half of them...guess we can't find fault with his views on the religious-right since he first condemed them and then praised them...can't bash him about his views on the tax breaks for the weathy since he voted twice against them and now is in favor of them...sorta hard to argue with someone who talks out both sides of his mouth...can't wait til the debates with him! Now, about Ayers: he is a registered Repub..we says he in no way implicates Obama...he says Ayers was not convicted of any crime then he goes on to speak of Ayers alleged 'crimes'...you'd think a Judge's son might be more aware of slander, wouldn't ya...just antoher Karl Rove attempt to discredit Obama on a guilt by association bender...soooo lame.....Obama remains clean....next will be a Fox interview with the 3rd cousin of Obama's 4th grade girlfriend....Yawn.
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The Obama campaign is now demanding the networks drop the REV Wright controversy and focus on his campaign. WOW. That's fairly brassy don't you think? Who is he to dictate to anyone what they can and can't do? I'm sure he would like it to disappear but that isn't too likely. However, there are bigger fish to fry with the William Ayers relationship, actually I'm surprised there hasn't been more of an outcry over it than the Wright. Maybe it's because Ayers is trying to lay low since he should be in prison and by the grace of God he and his lovely terrorist wife slipped through the cracks and he is now teaching our kids at the University of Illionois how to hate our country and what a hero he was. Amazing isn't it??
If you haven't had a chance to listen to this video, it will explain the connection. I thought it worth repeating another time, only because it's beyond belief.
http://www.foxnews.com//video2/video08.html?videoId=8cdaefcc-eec7-49af-be66-8fae527406c9&sMPlaylistID=
It's like 1992 all over again, only this guy has associations with terrorists not just young, pretty girls.
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Thanks raz. I watched the video and everything seems to be falling in place with regard to what Obama's personal agenda is. I'm in a quandary, I certainly hope that the American people start doing research and see what he is all about, but on the other hand I would rather it be an Obama vs McCain election.
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I do wish you would stop saying I lie SM2, I don't lie nor do I attack you personally and I would appreciate it if you do the same, we are supposed to be grown ups here.
It's obvious you didn't watch the video because John Murtagh outlined the connection between the radical terrorists and the Obamas. These people almost killed him and his family when he was only 9 years old in an attempt to support the militant black panthers which REV Wright and Louis Farrakhan are also tied to, hence the connect the dots to Obama. Is that a lie? Nope.
It's way more than sitting on the same board, but William Ayers is quite famous in Chicago so Obama knew his background and yet chose to continue to serve with him despite his treachery and actually kind of blew it off like it was no big deal. Well, maybe Obama should speak to John Murtagh about that. Sound familiar (REV Wright??) and Bill Ayers and his terrorist wife threw a kick off party for Obama's first political office. Pretty chummy wouldn't you say? Is that a lie? Nope.
Please watch the video and then tell me where I'ved told a lie, otherwise you should apologize. Everything this man is saying is well documented (he is a lawyer). I listened to a police officer that was at the Police headquarters that they bombed the same night and he likewise tells a tale of terror and horror. He is lying? Nope.
These are Obama's friends and connections, there is no denying that once you've viewed this video so calling me a liar doesn't change the facts.
http://www.foxnews.com//video2/video08.html?videoId=8cdaefcc-eec7-49af-be66-8fae527406c9&sMPlaylistID=
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John Murtagh whose father was the trial judge in 1970 for the Black Panther 21 group that was accused of plotting to bomb a number of landmarks and dept stores in NYC is telling his story.At 4:30 in the morning while he and his family were sleeping Feb 1970 three bombs were set off at John Murtagh's home (he was 9 at the time) attempting to kill his family, plus bombs were set off at three other locations, 2 military installations and a NYC Police station. The Weather Underground claimed responsibility for all four locations including the bombing of John's home. They spray painted the words on the front sidewalk "Free the Panthers 21, The Viet Cong have won - Kill the Pigs".Here is the video of the Obama connection to terrorist William Ayers founder of Weather Underground and his wife, Bernadene Dorn.http://www.foxnews.com//video2/video08.html?videoId=8cdaefcc-eec7-49af-be66-8fae527406c9&sMPlaylistID=After watching this very disturbing video, it leaves no doubt of the personal friendship and connection between these radical terrorists and Barack and Michelle Obama. Combine this with the friendship and connection of REV Wright who believes America is the US KKK, G.D. America, black liberation Church, is friendly with the Black Panthers and militant racist Louis Farrakhan, his wife not ever being proud of her country for her entire adult life and believing America to be a mean country in 2008, well it isn't good.
How dare you Razen try to influence anyone's opinion based upon inuendos and lies!! Obama and Ayers served on the same board together years and years ago (along with other people too), so what! That doesn't make them friends, share beliefs w/politics or anything else. That would be like saying people on the same council or PTO Board have the same views about everything in life. I have served on numerous boards, volunteer groups, focus groups and planning parties but it doesn't mean anything regarding the other people who were on the same board with me. You are there for a specific task and that's it. I hope the people who read your rantings are not blind to the truth because of your distasteful inuendos.
I have said I wouldn't be a part of this discussion anymore due to Razen's antics but I felt I must make a final comment. You trying to imply that because someone's wife works at the same place someone's else family works details a personal relationship is ridiculous! All of these things that you keep bringing up and trying to state as facts are your fear of Obama winning. This is really a new low with you trying to imply a friend relationship w/Ayers and Obama. Are you serious???
I know that Razen will come back with some ridiculous comment trying to justify these bizarre things he says, I will not encourage him by replying. I am only asking people to do the research and not blindly listen to Razen, I now believe he has a goal he wishes to accomplish and will stop at nothing to try to reach his goal--lies, lies, lies Razen!
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John Murtagh whose father was the trial judge in 1970 for the Black Panther 21 group that was accused of plotting to bomb a number of landmarks and dept stores in NYC is telling his story.
At 4:30 in the morning while he and his family were sleeping Feb 1970 three bombs were set off at John Murtagh's home (he was 9 at the time) attempting to kill his family, plus bombs were set off at three other locations, 2 military installations and a NYC Police station. The Weather Underground claimed responsibility for all four locations including the bombing of John's home. They spray painted the words on the front sidewalk "Free the Panthers 21, The Viet Cong have won - Kill the Pigs".
Here is the video of the Obama connection to terrorist William Ayers founder of Weather Underground and his wife, Bernadene Dorn.
http://www.foxnews.com//video2/video08.html?videoId=8cdaefcc-eec7-49af-be66-8fae527406c9&sMPlaylistID=
After watching this very disturbing video, it leaves no doubt of the personal friendship and connection between these radical terrorists and Barack and Michelle Obama.
Combine this with the friendship and connection of REV Wright who believes America is the US KKK, G.D. America, black liberation Church, is friendly with the Black Panthers and militant racist Louis Farrakhan, his wife not ever being proud of her country for her entire adult life and believing America to be a mean country in 2008, well it isn't good.
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sometimes rational wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: sometimes rational wrote: razenkn wrote:
DH, that has been my favorite pet name for her. Couldn't agree more.
But on to the serious stuff. If Barack Obama is going to go to the end then he better start getting his responses together regarding his association with Bill Ayers, the member and founder of the Weather Underground that bombed the Penagon, the NYC Police Headquarters (or pigs as they lovingly called them) and the Capital. I watched the special on this group and up till now it was somewhat a mystery to me as to the connection with Obama but now it is very clear and very disturbing. I will post the whole story tomorrow, but this is going to be much worse than the REV Wright association. We WE? you have a mouse in your panties? WE are picking a candidate..YOU have one...get over it..MITT is toast.need to be very careful about who we are nominating for President of the US.
I think it's that undying love
I know it, Mama..but, sheesh, no doubt Mitt has gotten over RAZ by now, don't ya think?....
We can only hope!
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