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Posted: Sat May 3rd, 2008 04:47 am

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If anyone is interested in finding out who the real William Ayers is, the Weather Underground terrorist pal of Barack Obama's, FNC On The Record is doing a special report on him this evening at 7 pm on channel 47. Should be very interesting.

Yawn--not really...ya got some info for us on McCain's lobbyest friend, tho?

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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 07:04 pm

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If anyone is interested in finding out who the real William Ayers is, the Weather Underground terrorist pal of Barack Obama's, FNC On The Record is doing a special report on him this evening at 7 pm on channel 47. Should be very interesting.

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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 04:45 pm

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Unfortunately Blackjack, some on here confuse disagreement with reading comprehension issues or "verbal attacks". If you don't agree with them or question them in any way then you must be too dense to understand the issue or you are "attacking" them.

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sometimes rational wrote: blackjack wrote: sr, actually Iv'e caught some (not all) of his debates and I have to be honest, I didn't hear one specific thing he said about any of the topics I mentioned. so if you can fill me in please do. as far as his web site is concerned, I have no idea who came up with the ideas that are on his website. for all I know the ideas could be those of the good reverend wright.
I regret you're not able to comprehend what you hear and read....you may presume what you see on Obama's website represents Obama's position.

and I regret that you are unable to tell me one position obama has taken on any issue that I mentioned. apparently your so all over yourself about bush that you are unable to digress on any other issue.

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razenkn wrote: SMO2, I don't think raz has a candidate. I haven't seen where he has said anything good about McCain, the Republican nominee, at all. His candidate for the primary was beaten, and he appears to have not gotten over it yet. You're right: if he HAD a candidate in the running, he should be supporting that person and discussing those issues. But since I've been posting this is kind of his MO anyways, to tear down the opposition and not stick to the issues of the candidates.

Okay Mama, I will say the same to you. Read the title of this topic - it is called....THE REAL BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA PLEASE STAND UP....

So, for some odd reason people seem to be talking about Obama on here, go figure.

Is it titled RAZENKN must only talk about issues when speaking about Obama? No.

I'm not tearing down anyone. You can't tear people down unless they give you the tools with which to do so. Show me one thing that is untrue that I have posted about Mr Obama and I will be happy to discuss that with you and if you can prove it I will apologize. In the meantime if I don't direct the post to you then perhaps you shouldn't concern yourself with how and why I post, just worry about what you post and I will do the same. :cool:

A point of clarification, honey, this is a public forum...If you do not wish to read contributions from other people, send PM's instead...otherwise, you're fair game...in your case tho, you're unfair game.

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blackjack wrote: sr, actually Iv'e caught some (not all) of his debates and I have to be honest, I didn't hear one specific thing he said about any of the topics I mentioned. so if you can fill me in please do. as far as his web site is concerned, I have no idea who came up with the ideas that are on his website. for all I know the ideas could be those of the good reverend wright.
I regret you're not able to comprehend what you hear and read....you may presume what you see on Obama's website represents Obama's position.

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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 01:29 am

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Do you have a point you're trying to make or are you our resident reporter?

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One poll I heard today - Obama's favorable rating in February was 54%, favorable rating now 47%. Hillary's favorable rating went up 2 points for the same time periods.

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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 11:18 pm

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SMO2, I don't think raz has a candidate. I haven't seen where he has said anything good about McCain, the Republican nominee, at all. His candidate for the primary was beaten, and he appears to have not gotten over it yet. You're right: if he HAD a candidate in the running, he should be supporting that person and discussing those issues. But since I've been posting this is kind of his MO anyways, to tear down the opposition and not stick to the issues of the candidates.

Okay Mama, I will say the same to you. Read the title of this topic - it is called....THE REAL BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA PLEASE STAND UP....

So, for some odd reason people seem to be talking about Obama on here, go figure.

Is it titled RAZENKN must only talk about issues when speaking about Obama? No.

I'm not tearing down anyone. You can't tear people down unless they give you the tools with which to do so. Show me one thing that is untrue that I have posted about Mr Obama and I will be happy to discuss that with you and if you can prove it I will apologize. In the meantime if I don't direct the post to you then perhaps you shouldn't concern yourself with how and why I post, just worry about what you post and I will do the same. :cool:

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surprisemotherof2 wrote: razenkn wrote: And he is also half white. How can I say he had no ties to the black community? Obama spent four years of his adolescence growing up in Indonesia and the remainder in Hawaii being raised by his white grandparents. He wasn't raised by his black father, he was semi raised by his white mother and later on his white grandparents. He attended elitist schools. Hence, no black community ties. Hard to claim knowing what the "black community" has gone through when you haven't gone through it. He did indeed have political aspirations upon leaving college and knew the only way to become "black enough" to build a support base would be to get involved in a black community. People so easily forget that prejudice works both ways. Have you not heard of the "Uncle Tom" tag the black community quite often labels blacks that they perceive to have spent too much time under "white" influence? That would have been him.

I've decided that I will no longer be a part of this topic as I feel it has been reduced to racism and not about a politician and what his views are. We are supposed to discuss issues. You have decided to discuss whether you feel that Obama is black enough or too white. You are doing nothing but trying to deflect real issues and the lengths you have gone to are just ugly and I will not be a part of your discussion. Your hateful words only tells of your insecurity of your own candidate. SMO2, I don't think raz has a candidate. I haven't seen where he has said anything good about McCain, the Republican nominee, at all. His candidate for the primary was beaten, and he appears to have not gotten over it yet. You're right: if he HAD a candidate in the running, he should be supporting that person and discussing those issues. But since I've been posting this is kind of his MO anyways, to tear down the opposition and not stick to the issues of the candidates.

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sr, actually Iv'e caught some (not all) of his debates and I have to be honest, I didn't hear one specific thing he said about any of the topics I mentioned. so if you can fill me in please do. as far as his web site is concerned, I have no idea who came up with the ideas that are on his website. for all I know the ideas could be those of the good reverend wright.

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blackjack wrote: sr siad:

interesting how the Bush fanatics on this board so into Obama bashing have not attacked him at all on his policy positions..just name calling, and attacking his former pastor and his wife...really meaty

sr, could you fill us in on obama's policy positions? I would be more than happy to comment on them if anyone could tell me what they are. For instance, the Iraq war, Iran, Isreal, North Korea, Pakistan, Syria and least but not last the economy.

Thanks for your help

Hey, no problem..guess you've been too busy on the boards bashing his wife and pastor to catch any of his debates..so..check out his website..he's articulate, educated and he's the anti-Bush.

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SM2, you are amazingly misguided, uninformed and very biased concerning this candidate. The "black enough" statement was Obama's not mine. He has said it many times that in the beginning, that was a battle he had to fight, so get off my back please with the racist comments. I believe it is you that is showing your insecurity for your candidate as you should because he's butt deep into a potential disaster perpetrated by his very own friend and mentor, Pastor Wackadoodle. We are only discussing it.

But, please don't let me stop you from getting off. You lost your credibility with me when you started agreeing with SR.

Just kidding SM2, I still like you!

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razenkn wrote: And he is also half white. How can I say he had no ties to the black community? Obama spent four years of his adolescence growing up in Indonesia and the remainder in Hawaii being raised by his white grandparents. He wasn't raised by his black father, he was semi raised by his white mother and later on his white grandparents. He attended elitist schools. Hence, no black community ties. Hard to claim knowing what the "black community" has gone through when you haven't gone through it. He did indeed have political aspirations upon leaving college and knew the only way to become "black enough" to build a support base would be to get involved in a black community. People so easily forget that prejudice works both ways. Have you not heard of the "Uncle Tom" tag the black community quite often labels blacks that they perceive to have spent too much time under "white" influence? That would have been him.

I've decided that I will no longer be a part of this topic as I feel it has been reduced to racism and not about a politician and what his views are. We are supposed to discuss issues. You have decided to discuss whether you feel that Obama is black enough or too white. You are doing nothing but trying to deflect real issues and the lengths you have gone to are just ugly and I will not be a part of your discussion. Your hateful words only tells of your insecurity of your own candidate.

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sr siad:

interesting how the Bush fanatics on this board so into Obama bashing have not attacked him at all on his policy positions..just name calling, and attacking his former pastor and his wife...really meaty

sr, could you fill us in on obama's policy positions? I would be more than happy to comment on them if anyone could tell me what they are. For instance, the Iraq war, Iran, Isreal, North Korea, Pakistan, Syria and least but not last the economy.

Thanks for your help

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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 03:51 pm

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Let's see, has anyone noticed what the title of this thread is? Oh yeah, it's about finding out who the "Real Obama" is. So trying to change the subject obviously isn't working. :cool:

There is no doubt the dems aren't thrilled with how Senator Obama is under media scrutiny right now, but hey, he had a vacation from the press for the past two years, it was going to hit sooner or later. He isn't experiencing anything different than what all of them have endured, so I'm not getting the pity party. He's a big boy, he can handle it. If he can't, then that is whole other issue.

His poll numbers are dropping at a rapid rate and there is a good reason for that, we are just now seeing who he is. Don't you want to know who the guy really is rather than electing a persona? Most clear thinking people do, the stakes are too high and he is the front runner, goes with the territory.

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Enjoy it while you can...at least Michelle Obama can speak without being muzzled by her husband...I saw a reporter ask Cindy McC. if she had a comment about the allegations that John McCain had a blue dress in his past, and before she could respond, John said, 'No!". No question MCain is having an easy time of it since he has nobody challenging him...that will change very quickly once we have a Dem candidate, and the polls are showing either can take McCain...and that's before he has to stuggle trying to overcome his ties to Bush and the Bush philosophy on camera...without losing his temper...without admitting again he knows little or nothing about economics...interesting how the Bush fanatics on this board so into Obama bashing have not attacked him at all on his policy positions..just name calling, and attacking his former pastor and his wife...really meaty stuff, people.

Good job SR!!!

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After listening to Barack Obama's speech today and listening to the REV Wright's three speeches over the weekend, I have come to the conclusion that the wackadoodle Wright and Obama are feuding now. WOW. Who could have seen that coming? Two mega sized egos vying for the power positions.

Obama for the Oval office and Wright for the 10,000 sq ft mansion being funded by a ten million dollar line of credit from the church. By the way, inasmuch as Wright despises the rich white man, it is worth noting he is building his mansion in a predominantly white golf course resort development. Guess he and Michelle need to fine tune their "don't succumb to middle class'ist lives" speech. Maybe they are really trying to say they should succumb to the upper crust lifestyle. :dude:

Enjoy it while you can...at least Michelle Obama can speak without being muzzled by her husband...I saw a reporter ask Cindy McC. if she had a comment about the allegations that John McCain had a blue dress in his past, and before she could respond, John said, 'No!". No question MCain is having an easy time of it since he has nobody challenging him...that will change very quickly once we have a Dem candidate, and the polls are showing either can take McCain...and that's before he has to stuggle trying to overcome his ties to Bush and the Bush philosophy on camera...without losing his temper...without admitting again he knows little or nothing about economics...interesting how the Bush fanatics on this board so into Obama bashing have not attacked him at all on his policy positions..just name calling, and attacking his former pastor and his wife...really meaty stuff, people.

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After listening to Barack Obama's speech today and listening to the REV Wright's three speeches over the weekend, I have come to the conclusion that the wackadoodle Wright and Obama are feuding now. WOW. Who could have seen that coming? Two mega sized egos vying for the power positions.

Obama for the Oval office and Wright for the 10,000 sq ft mansion being funded by a ten million dollar line of credit from the church. By the way, inasmuch as Wright despises the rich white man, it is worth noting he is building his mansion in a predominantly white golf course resort development. Guess he and Michelle need to fine tune their "don't succumb to middle class'ist lives" speech. Maybe they are really trying to say they should succumb to the upper crust lifestyle. :dude:

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Whats even more funny is that fact one of you debates change and acceptance so we can get along and the other debates the tirades of a Rev. preaching hate against whites and whatever else as horrible and you both were quite clear in your disdain for allowing gay Americans to have a retirement community. Hmmmm Thats downright funny!!!!

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And I'm getting disappointed with your personal insults SM2. Please note the Non-Negotiable Commitment to Africa statement in red.....

About us

United Church of Christ Statement of Faith in the form of a doxology

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Click here to read about Dr. Wright’s talking points for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System.

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surprisemotherof2 wrote: razenkn wrote:

Ouch SM2, that hurts!! Are you this mean to everyone who disagrees with you?

I thought I had heard Wright refering to his congregants in another speech as "Africans" and not "African Americans" which would be within the doctrine of they must swear loyalty to Africa. If they do not believe themselves to be American then one has to wonder how that little tidbit slipped by a sitting US Senator? Do you think he had to swear his loyalty to Africa to become a member?

What is your point since Obama has already denounced Wright's speech?? It's time to land the plane on this one Raz.
Obama said Wright's comments were not only "divisive and destructive," but they also "end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate... And here's the rest of the story: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/29/obama.wright/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
I'm so disappointed in you Raz, I thought you were original with your thoughts and now I see that you are talking crazy with this "loyalty to Africa stuff", I guess you will be trying to say Obama is a Mulsim or something brilliant now too....
Come on Surprisemotherof2, the only reason Obama came out today was because it was all over every news station about what Wright said was going to hurt him. The polls even say Hillary is the one to beat McClain. Obama is again trying to do damage control. Even the good Reverend Wright said that Obama never disassociated himself with him (this is after Obama said he did) and at times had prayers with him backstage, but did allow Wright on stage - so who are we to believe. As Wright said, Obama is a politician and will say what it takes.

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Ouch SM2, that hurts!! Are you this mean to everyone who disagrees with you?

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Ouch SM2, that hurts!! Are you this mean to everyone who disagrees with you?

I thought I had heard Wright refering to his congregants in another speech as "Africans" and not "African Americans" which would be within the doctrine of they must swear loyalty to Africa. If they do not believe themselves to be American then one has to wonder how that little tidbit slipped by a sitting US Senator? Do you think he had to swear his loyalty to Africa to become a member?

From today's AzCentral.com

"On Monday, Wright criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the United States invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. “Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything,” he said.

And perhaps even worse for Obama, Wright suggested that the church congregant secretly concurs.

“If Senator Obama did not say what he said, he would never get elected,” Wright said. “Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls.”

Obama stated flatly that he doesn't share the views of the man who officiated at his wedding, baptized his two daughters and been his pastor for 20 years. The title of Obama's second book, The Audacity of Hope, came from a Wright sermon.

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razenkn wrote: Arguing with ignorance is like chewing on a brick. It's painful and useless. :cool:

Like I said, your words will come back to haunt you.

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Sorry to disappoint you SM2, still don't understand what you are so offended by though, I think there may be a failure to communicate here somewhere. But that's ok. You think what you have to SM2 and I will do the same.

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SM2 wrote...

How could you say that he had no ties to the black community---he is half black. Trust me, America has already tied him to the black community. And I dont' think that he joined a church when he was 20 something yrs old because he had some stragic plan to run for Pres. 20 yrs later.

And he is also half white. How can I say he had no ties to the black community? Obama spent four years of his adolescence growing up in Indonesia and the remainder in Hawaii being raised by his white grandparents. He wasn't raised by his black father, he was semi raised by his white mother and later on his white grandparents. He attended elitist schools. Hence, no black community ties. Hard to claim knowing what the "black community" has gone through when you haven't gone through it. He did indeed have political aspirations upon leaving college and knew the only way to become "black enough" to build a support base would be to get involved in a black community. People so easily forget that prejudice works both ways. Have you not heard of the "Uncle Tom" tag the black community quite often labels blacks that they perceive to have spent too much time under "white" influence? That would have been him.

Raz, your words will haunt you.... I do believe you have lost credibility with me.

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SM2 wrote..

And if you're interested in actually hearing what the candidate Obama has to say about this (instead of Rev Wright or Raz).
Obama said Wright's comments were not only "divisive and destructive," but they also "end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate... And here's the rest of the story: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/29/obama.wright/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Who do you want to believe??? CNN or Raz????

Whoa SM2, come up for a breath of fresh air. Do you really believe this has come down to an issue between me and CNN? They don't need to believe me, or CNN, they have to believe him. I say good for Barack, it is never too late to see the light. But did he see the light or did he see his candidacy going down the tubes?

Just as recent as a couple of days ago on Sunday when Barack was being interviewed by Chris Wallace (FNC), he still stuck up for the REV saying he felt the "snippets" were not a true characterization of REV Wright and they weren't fair. Now today, just three days later he is saying he guesses he doesn't know him as well as he thought.

Well, REV Wright didn't say anything different this weekend and yesterday in his appearances than he said on the CD's of his sermons that have been around for years and have been played over and over in the media. He just reiterated them in case there was any doubt that he didn't mean what he said. That was for Barack's benefit because Barack was trying to make him out to be like a "crazy old uncle" who says things he doesn't mean, apparently the REV didn't appreciate that characterization.

And you really believe that Barack didn't know that he was saying all those horrible things about our great country in the 20 years he has sat in the pew? It saddens me to say this but I think it is the REV Wright who is being the honest one here. As hateful as it is, he is telling people the truth of how he sees our country. Barack apparently was not offended by the hateful remarks about our Country until now, that is what the issue is. US KKK A, not God Bless America..but G.D. America, I saw one of the "snippets" where the REV was mocking the National Anthem during one of his sermons and yet Obama was not offended until today.

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Unbelieveable! Never thought Obama would throw Rev Wright under the bus. Politicians do what politicians do and preachers do what preachers do. Never the twain shall meet.

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Ok, after listening to yet another insulting speech by Obama's REV Wright, I've heard enough....

And if you're interested in actually hearing what the candidate Obama has to say about this (instead of Rev Wright or Raz).
Obama said Wright's comments were not only "divisive and destructive," but they also "end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate... And here's the rest of the story: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/29/obama.wright/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Who do you want to believe??? CNN or Raz????

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surprisemotherof2 wrote: razenkn wrote: What is ridiculous about what I said? Is it not true?

For one, you are making this arguement because of the color of his skin. Your own words prove that a black man, or a biracial man, only needs to arrive for people to identify him as a black man instead of first seeing him as a man.
Or even enter a Presidential election...... Shame on you Raz.

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Nope, didn't do that at all. It was a truthful statement about his politics. All politicians pander to whomever they need to build their base, and whom they need to pander to grab the independents or they don't win elections. Sorry if you want to turn that into some type of racial thing, but it is only in your imagination. Your statement is exactly why our country is so divided today, it's called PCS - Political Correctness Syndrome gone crazy. :cool:

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razenkn wrote: What is ridiculous about what I said? Is it not true?

For one, you are making this arguement because of the color of his skin. Your own words prove that a black man, or a biracial man, only needs to arrive for people to identify him as a black man instead of first seeing him as a man.

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What is ridiculous about what I said? Is it not true? You're comparing what I said to someone from "Desperate Housewives" TV silly drama? Sorry, now you've left me speechless. I don't know how to respond to that. You pick up your jaw and I will pick up mine and we can continue the debate once you recover.

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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 07:23 pm

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razenkn wrote: And he is also half white. How can I say he had no ties to the black community? Obama spent four years of his adolescence growing up in Indonesia and the remainder in Hawaii being raised by his white grandparents. He wasn't raised by his black father, he was semi raised by his white mother and later on his white grandparents. He attended elitist schools. Hence, no black community ties.

Hard to claim knowing what the "black community" has gone through when you haven't gone through it. He did indeed have political aspirations upon leaving college and knew the only way to become "black enough" to build a support base would be to get involved in a black community. People so easily forget that prejudice works both ways. Have you not heard of the "Uncle Tom" tag the black community quite often labels blacks that they perceive to have spent too much time under "white" influence? That would have been him.

I was watching Desperate Housewives and there was a comment made from one of the ladies to a disabled man in a wheelchair arguing about a parking space and she told him, "You get to roll around all day in a chair while I have to walk around in these high heels." He replied to her something like, "I can't believe you just said that."

My reply to you is the same, I can't believe you just said that! I am at a loss of words. I will try to come up with something later after I pick up my jaw off of the floor. I had no idea such ridiculous comments could come out of someone's mouth.

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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 07:10 pm

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How could you say that he had no ties to the black community---he is half black. Trust me, America has already tied him to the black community. And I dont' think that he joined a church when he was 20 something yrs old because he had some stragic plan to run for Pres. 20 yrs later.

And he is also half white. How can I say he had no ties to the black community? Obama spent four years of his adolescence growing up in Indonesia and the remainder in Hawaii being raised by his white grandparents. He wasn't raised by his black father, he was semi raised by his white mother and later on his white grandparents. He attended elitist schools. Hence, no black community ties.

Hard to claim knowing what the "black community" has gone through when you haven't gone through it. He did indeed have political aspirations upon leaving college and knew the only way to become "black enough" to build a support base would be to get involved in a black community. People so easily forget that prejudice works both ways. Have you not heard of the "Uncle Tom" tag the black community quite often labels blacks that they perceive to have spent too much time under "white" influence? That would have been him.

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sometimes rational wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Raz, in part said:
So, if my party and values do not make it then at least let's have someone from the opposite party get in that we can work with, not radical extremist views, but someone who gets both sides.

I imagine then in view of the two Dems fighting it out, you are saying Hillary?

RAZ is doing exactly what his pastor, the mighty Rush Limb. is telling him to do..which is to try to get ppl to vote for Hillary in the primary thinking that she will be easier for McC to beat and obama would be... RAZ telling SM2 that he was almost a Obama supporter is comical considering how RAZ has not wavered an inch in his support of the far right---now RAZ has morphed to the right 'edge'..no longer content claiming obama is unpatriotic..he's actually parroting the hate sites claiming obama hates America...give me a break....who put America in the situation we're in today? surely not Democrats......since I'm fine with either hillary or obama, I switched parties for the primary...thinking was Huck and Romney would be even a greater distaster than McCain...so to that extent, we won.
Everything I've seen in the last few days indicates Hillary will be the person to beat, at least for the time being. Supposedly McCain and Obama are running neck and neck, and Hillary is in the lead. I still believe between McCain and whoever wins the Dem nomination, it will be the choice of running mates who will determine the outcome.

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razenkn wrote: You all continue to claim "change" for your reasons to back Obama. What are the changes exactly that gets you so pumped up for him? I've not been able to get the "great change" and why that is good enough reason to ignore the red flags that continue to pop up and vote for him anyway. Help me out.

Obama loves America and I'm feeling a bit confused about why you have difficulty with that. America is flawed just like people are, we want change to try to fix it. We are yearning for equality and what is wrong with that???

Shouldn't we focus on Obama if we are speaking about Obama???? You've brought up Ayers, Farrakhan, Wright, etc. Noone speaks of who Clinton was seen with at a social event or who McCain did/didn't march with. Why is there all of this chatter about Obama and not the other candidates??? You speak of a remark that Obama's wife made that was taken out of context and try to declare it as fact and yet say nothing of Cindy McCain's drug addiction and what choices she makes.... Interesting that you choose to attack everything around Obama but don't look for truth within ALL parties... I will not get into what someone thinks or doesn't think, what did he say??? Do you have the power to read someone's mind or just like to assume on what YOU think something means??? Michelle Obama said she loves America so why are you trying so hard to misinterpret what she said??

Focus on what the candidates actually say they are for and what they say they are against and let's discuss fairly please or not at all.... I for one want a change from this economy for sure!

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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 06:29 pm

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Mamazoyd wrote: Raz, in part said:
So, if my party and values do not make it then at least let's have someone from the opposite party get in that we can work with, not radical extremist views, but someone who gets both sides.

I imagine then in view of the two Dems fighting it out, you are saying Hillary?

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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 06:04 pm

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Raz, in part said:
So, if my party and values do not make it then at least let's have someone from the opposite party get in that we can work with, not radical extremist views, but someone who gets both sides.

I imagine then in view of the two Dems fighting it out, you are saying Hillary?

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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 05:58 pm

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SM2 wrote/quoted....

"These people are a part of me. And they are part of America, this country that I love," Obama said. He denounced the harshness of Wright's words — not because they were false, he said, but because they did not acknowledge the strides that the U.S. has made in the fight against racism.

So is he saying he agrees with REV Wright that America infected the black community with the Aids virus to commit genocide and supplied black communities with drugs in order to incarcerate their young black men but had he said it in an indoor voice then it would be ok, he only disagrees with his harshness but not the content?

Unbelievable! That is exactly what he is saying, and you think that is ok? That is who you want for your President, someone who believes America to be so evil, so flawed, we are trying to do away with their race? His wife obviously believes that to be true according to her recent comments of "America is Mean" and "For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country".

You all continue to claim "change" for your reasons to back Obama. What are the changes exactly that gets you so pumped up for him? I've not been able to get the "great change" and why that is good enough reason to ignore the red flags that continue to pop up and vote for him anyway. Help me out.

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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 05:20 pm

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If you truly believe that Barack Obama joined Rev Wright's Church just to find God, then you are being taken down the Utopian path he has laid out for his supporters. He needed to become a part of the black community in order to obtain his support base to which he had no previous ties. And it worked.

How could you say that he had no ties to the black community---he is half black. Trust me, America has already tied him to the black community.   And I dont' think that he joined a church when he was 20 something yrs old because he had some stragic plan to run for Pres. 20 yrs later.

Obama presents himself as uniquely situated to bridge those two cultures because of his biracial heritage. In his speech on race Tuesday, the presidential hopeful said he could no more disown his controversial pastor than he could disown his white grandmother.   "These people are a part of me. And they are part of America, this country that I love," Obama said.   He denounced the harshness of Wright's words — not because they were false, he said, but because they did not acknowledge the strides that the U.S. has made in the fight against racism. Obama said his own candidacy shows how far the country has come.

Don't give up Raz, come back! We miss you over here on the side that wants change. Don't get caught up in what others want you to concentrate on, it's about your candidate for your America. Just the facts.... Don't let others distract you from the truth. Can't we all just get along right here in Utopia, USA???

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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 04:52 pm

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I like you too SM2. BUT, I couldn't disagree with your rationalization for Obama's personal affiliations with people who all have a single common thread which is "far left radical extremism" "the Hate America" crowd. The "we want to change America radically" and "Blame America" crowd.

These are the people he has chosen to surround himself with when deciding to explore the political arena. They have been extremely (no pun intended) helpful to him no doubt about it. Your assessment here is very naive. The William Ayer's Underground Weathermen radical group, Jeremiah Wright's and Louis Farrakhan's have a huge following and have enormous influence within the black community and the "Hate America" crowd. If you truly believe that Barack Obama joined Rev Wright's Church just to find God, then you are being taken down the Utopian path he has laid out for his supporters. He needed to become a part of the black community in order to obtain his support base to which he had no previous ties. And it worked.

A lot of people (myself included) fell for the "cheesy" smile and youthful energy of Barack Obama in the beginning. No one was more disappointed than me that he isn't what he pretends to be because I live in the reality and could see that this is going to be a tough year for Republicans, much to their own doing unfortunately.

So, if my party and values do not make it then at least let's have someone from the opposite party get in that we can work with, not radical extremist views, but someone who gets both sides. Obama says that on the stump, but his voting records say something completely different. He is the most liberal Senator in the US Congress, that doesn't say "compromise" or "unity" or any of the other wonderful platitudes he so eloquently speaks of. He also has become unduly indebted to the MoveOn.org a.k.a. George Soros and knows he cannot get elected without their support. They don't get much more radical than that group.

To vote for Barack Obama is a vote to change who we are as a country and that is a vote for extremism. His inexperience has shown like a beacon of light throughout this Rev Wright drama and isn't getting better with time. His close affiliation with this man will be his undoing, his unwillingness to take charge of this from day one in a strong and forthright manner speaks volumes about his leadership skills or lack thereof.

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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 04:34 pm

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By the way,

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html...Dr. Young described Obama and Ayers as “friends,” but there’s no evidence their relationship is more than the casual friendship of two men who occupy overlapping Chicago political circles and who served together on the board of a Chicago foundation.....

On the other side of the political spectrum, many in the generation before hers shifted dramatically on civil rights. John McCain voted against creating a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. and later called that a mistake. ...

So, yes, everyone makes mistakes.

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